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Now that is unusual. Most of the problems appear to be with older Wi-Fi 4 (N) devices connecting to newer Wi-Fi 6 (AX) access points which you can half understand. I would expect RB951Ui-2HnD to be very compatible with all Wi-Fi 4 devices like this temperature sensor.

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I'm not going to waste everyone's time posting a configuration if I can first reduce it down to bare minimum and still recreate the quirk. As I also said, it's not a critical problem but is certainly unusual. My original reason for posting was if somebody went "Ahh, yes - I've seen something si...

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Therefore as Halvoetn suggested check/disable DHCP client on hAP.

The DHCP client has to be enabled for the WAN port otherwise no internet connection. I've not had chance to dig deeper into this but I will.

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Simple ??

Simple in terms of a SOHO running their own Windows Server AD environment.

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Please just report here in this topic.

Not that easy to know whether the fault has been reported already.

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I've had a similar problem with a generic Android TV box. My main Wi-Fi is normally configured with WPA2 PSK and WPA3 PSK. Even though this TV box can use WPA2 PSK, it will not connect. So at the moment, I've got a secondary virtual network with just WPA PSK and that works fine. I've got a reminder ...

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I don't use Mikrotik Wireless because competitors offer better controllers I'm not going to wade in with specifics right now (haven't got time today) but I will echo this sentiment. As I've said several times in other posts, other controllers (specifically Unifi Cloud) are "better" becaus...

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Forgive me for no reading through six pages but how do we report bugs or suggestions with WinBox beta? Assume there is a github somewhere?

Also, out of interest, what GUI platform is it built on?

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I'll post the configuration later. When I did a cut down script, the router didn't register in DHCP so I'm going to do some most investigate myself.

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This is one of those questions that has perplexed me for a while now. My home lab network is relatively simple: hAP ax2, two Windows Server 2022 domain controllers, couple of dev servers and my workstation. The router is connecting upstream of a Virgin Media Superhub in modem mode. There are two sub...

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They seem to have got a lot better recently, i.e. I've started receiving email notifications again.

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And regarding the free ticket system: Mikrotik uses a commercial ticket system: https://help.mikrotik.com/servicedesk/servicedesk

Oh no, Jira

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After many years, I must say this is truly a disaster. I must say it's certainly stopped me rolling out any Mikrotik Wi-Fi 6 installations or updates which basically means I've not been installing Mikrotik for six months now as most clients are asking for (and really should be using) Wi-Fi 6. I hel...

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The main device I have problem with also a Lenovo laptop with Realtek chipset.

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Joined the forum to let others know that I also have been experiencing SA query timeout related issues. I have downgraded my C52iG-5HaxD2HaxD (hAP ax²) to v7.14.3 and my wifi network issues have disappeared. This gives me a little bit of comfort that the issue is most likely software, not hardware ...

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I suffer from these fake IMO radars events. I have a scheduled script that fixes it but that's hardly ideal

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Is this going to suffer from the SA timeout (relabeled disconnect) as other AX devices?

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This topic has now been around for over a year. At some point, we all call it a day. I travel with my laptop to all sorts of places and rarely have an issue. Sure, we all end up in places where they're trying to use an underpowered access point and way too many clients. But generally I just connect ...

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The device was used very successfully at an outside event where there was nearly line of sight to the mast. It managed a very respectable 120Mbps solidly. Didn't observe the loss of CA band so it might have been a signal strength thing when I was testing at home.

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I had the same problem with hap ax2 only with my win10 laptops. No problem with mobiles. I was using WPA2 and WPA3. When i select only WPA3, problem disappeared. Probable works with only WPA2. Not an expert to know the details why this is happening but right now i have zero problems. Sounds like a ...

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My ancient TV isn't smart so I use an Android TV box to allow me to watch iPlayer, ITVX etc. My old box was based on ancient Android 7 and some recent apps were refusing to work. So I've just bought a (cheap) Android TV box based on the Rockwell RK3528 SOC. However, it wouldn't connect to my hAP ax2...

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Well this one has come back to bite me. Setting up an event and put hAP AC lite in for a help desk with laptop. Hard wired back to Netgear gigabit switch. Laptop hard wired into hAP. Speed struggling to get above 30Mbps. Plug uplink cable direct into laptop and full 200mbps of the Starlink. Will inv...

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My main router at home is a hAP ax2 with uses the new wireless drivers (wifi-qcom). That doesn't have distance=indoors in the configuration but equally the distance field doesn't have an option for dynamic. I looked back through this forum and distance=indoors has been around a long time. I wonder w...

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This one has had me pulling my hair out as I thought I was going mad. I often convert Mikrotik devices into what I call APS - access point with switch. Basically reset configuration with no default setting (so no firewall, DHCP & NAT), add a bridge, add all ports to bridge and configure Wi-Fi. I...

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Rather I face the immense disadvantage of configuring vlans manually on each cAP.

I'm sticking with the legacy wireless drivers for this very reason. Really do need to either replace CAPsMAN with a better controller system or sort out the driver.

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What's special about the new winbox?

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I concur with the weak signal observation. Problem is that one doesn't feel the signal is weak when the SA Query timeout occurs.

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ChatGPT really does scare me sometimes. Couldn't find LTE specification easily in Google search. Asked ChatGPT and instant answer - LTE16 so significantly better than LTE6.

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Did you try to move router to better position ? I did try outside and got better signal on the single band but didn't make too much difference to whether CA kicked in. It's going on-site tomorrow in a location where you can see the mast. Also on your phone speed could be better because phone have h...

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Yes see the Ingenico readers everywhere although the upstarts are starting to challenge the status quo, esp. for smaller standalone requirements. The outside bar tomorrow run by local brewery uses Square and till software running on iPad. If the Square readers stop working, they can use the iPads as...

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Also am I reading the @20MHz correct - that's the channel width. Is LTE6 anything like Wi-Fi channel width where wider channel has higher throughput? Answering own question, the answer is yes. So even if I could get primary band B3 and CA band 20, I'd only increase the bandwidth here by 5Mhz giving...

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Here is an example where the CA Band was working. I think it was actually inside at this point. https://i.imgur.com/Tl2VlIO.png Later... just spotted in this example, the primary band is B20 and the CA Band is B3. But when the CA band is blank, it's using B3 for the primary band. Also am I reading t...

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First outing with the hAP ax lite LTE6. Working well and only eyebrow is that the CA Band is only working sporadically. The field is blank more often than it's not. Using an 1pmobile (EE) SIM The mobile signal inside isn't great but I've currently got it sat outside on a bench. Without the CA Band, ...

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At least here in Italy most "mobile" POS (Point of Sale) card readers come with their own (GSM or LTE, cannot say) modem and SIM (cannot say if Not in the UK. Most are Wi-Fi based, some Bluetooth but range is a problem. Worldpay is renowned for been very interested in what's connected to ...

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For sure - for this device's first outing, it will be taking card payments at an outdoor bar. Speed is bottom of the list - it's just got to work.

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The risk of damage with a brand new device was why I posted on here before trying more force. It's a great little device for the price and will come in most handy for the occasional small event where I'm asked to supply Wi-Fi and wired internet, albeit at relatively low speed. Slightly perplexed why...

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What fills some Mikrotik supporters with fear, is manna from heaven for others. Many people don't want the undoubted complexity of RouterOS. Sometimes even the simplest install seems hard work and I'm know what I'm doing most of the time. The low down is that Mikrotik is not for the causal user - it...

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Ahh sorted it!!! It turns out it will click in place but I had to resort to using a paperclip to push it all the way in. Then it clicked. Documentation could be a little clearer to include "make sure you push it all the way in".

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I agree that's what the diagram says but this position only one where the SIM doesn't click into place. I've tried the SIM out of my mobile to see if it makes any difference - it didn't.

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Just taken delivery but SIM isn't working. The documentation/diagram of installation isn't very clear. Is this the right way around? It clicks into place but device reports sim not present. I've tried the SIM (which is also new) in a USB dongle on my laptop and that works. https://i.imgur.com/4r1eQT...

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Glad I found this post, saved me some head scratching why my script logging GB transferred through the WAN link each day stopped working after about 10 days. The log reached 61,631 bytes which immediately started alarm bells :D I'm using RouterOS but read above there is a 4k limit? However, these tw...

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Sadly those kind of prices are out of my client's range. Good as they may be. We'll probably go with Ubiquiti UniFi AP AC which is 10th of the price and is an upgrade from the Picostations. We're not offering them internet streaming speeds so these will be fine.

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>Why passive POE?

Because the existing switch is a Mikrotik PoE switch.

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Can you please add the requirements (apart from being outside and handling 20 caravans)?

Omidirectional, best signal possible and passive PoE supply. Still need Wi-Fi 4 connectivity.

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Still perplexed by why no 2.4GHz interface? It mentions the N standard against the 5GHz interface. Can a 2.4GHz client (rare I appreciate but not uncommon) connect to 5GHz? Experience is telling me no. Assume adding external antenna would be recommended for range?

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A client has two old Picostations in free space at a caravan park serving about 20 caravans. They've worked pretty well for 10 years but they're getting damaged so need replacing. uap-ac-mesh is an obvious replacement but wondered if there is anything in the Mikrotik range that is worth considering....

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Will move this onto the SA Query timeout thread but just done a real quick test of signal strengths. My Lenovo laptop with Realtek 8822CE adapter has a receive signal of ~-50dB (as seen by the laptop) but the hAP ax2 is only receiving a signal of ~-70dB which is borderline poor and probably explain...

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I'm not very experienced at RouterOS scripting so this took way longer than a bit of PowerShell :-) However, this is what I've got so far. Run this as a scheduled task. It will record the interfaces defined by InterfaceList into a CSV text file called FileName. Still some work to be done and some ca...

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so I went to the forbidden road of asking CHATGPT and it gave me these results

I don't do RouterOS scripting very often and as the syntax isn't entirely natural, I've been using ChatGPT with great success today with even some of the basics. Quite scary really.

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I'm going to knock up a little script that logs the current date/time, uptime and total TX/RX bytes per interface - writing output to disk. I'm sure a bit of Excel jiggery-pokery will be able to process this log to give throughput per day/hour/whatever. And alternative would be to write the entries ...

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Spooky but a very similar requirement has just come up from a customer... got to dash so later!

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Later... the web graphics give more information. The web versions DO give the average but on closer inspection, the figure show on the WinBox graph is the last speed on the right hand side. Kind of useless in the weekly graph!

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What does that figure of 19.1Mbps actually mean? My guess is that every 5 min (the default sample rate), the current Mbps is written to disk so the daily calculation is: SUM(Samples[NumSamples]..Samples[NumSamples-288-1]) / 288 288 is (24 hours * 60 minutes) / 5 minute sample rate. For weekly, it su...

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Easy bet. It is already known this is the root of the issue. That's why people commonly tinker around with connect-priority.

Giving this a go! Disabled it on 5Ghz interface and switched back from WPA2/3 to WPA/WPA2.

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Another observation. Normally, the SSID for 2.4GHz and 5GHz are identical. However, for this test, I added "5G" on the end of the SSID so I could force it onto one band or another. When the SSIDs are different, the SA Query timeout errors never occur. Even though the RX signal is poor, it'...

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Legacy wireless driver does not support 802.11w. So you won't spot a SA query timeout in HAP AC lite logs.

Understood but I was mainly looking the receive signal strength of the hAP devices for comparison.

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In theory the ac lite has lower gain antennas (1.5/2 db) whilst the Ax2 has higher gain antennas (4/4.5 db) so reception should be better on the Ax2, the opposite of what you measured. Quite... that are many, many posts around AX signal strength on here that the gun isn't just smoking, it's firing.

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Same thought crossed my mind. I put it horizontal because that's the natural orientation of the hAP ac lite. But I've also just tried vertical - no difference. Whilst vertical, tried rotating 90 degrees. No difference. Flat on it's back. No difference. Switch to AC with WPA/WPA2. No difference. Sign...

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Resurrecting this post so not the hijack the other post. I've just done some very unscientific testing (but arguably valid) of a hAP ac lite and my new hAP ax2. Top line - the hAP ax2 receives a signal that's 10dB worse than the hAP ac lite. During the test, only one device's Wi-Fi was enabled at on...

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Will move this onto the SA Query timeout thread but just done a real quick test of signal strengths. My Lenovo laptop with Realtek 8822CE adapter has a receive signal of ~-50dB (as seen by the laptop) but the hAP ax2 is only receiving a signal of ~-70dB which is borderline poor and probably explains...

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I get SA Query timeout with my personal Lenovo laptop. It's sat in exactly the same position as it's always done and my hAP ax2 is sat right next to my existing Virgin Media hub (which is usually in modem mode). The laptop can take a couple of minutes to establish a stable 2.4GHz connection when com...

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My impression of hottest topics in last 6 months: - confusion of legacy capsman and wifi Capsman - serious troubles with AX devices, mostly disconnects and SQ query timeouts, FT working poorly, poor signal or throughput on HAP AX3 especially - confusion of legacy wireless with new wifi Yup I agree ...

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as an access point I would have some doubts[2]. what type of doubt ? Wi-Fi strength on 5GHz seems to be the biggest doubt. For years, I used my Virgin Media Wi-Fi 6 Superhub 3. Never had to meddle or worry about Wi-Fi strength in the house. Installed a hAP ax2 next to it and Wi-Fi signal simply isn...

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Welcome to the world of (Mikrotik) wi-fi mysteries. Understatement of the day! So many posts of this nature (Mikrotik Wi-Fi 6/AX = poorer Wi-Fi than my old XYZ Wi-Fi 5 router) that it's can't all just be misconfiguration can it? Hence my post about antenna size and SA query timeouts etc. I've delay...

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Thanks for that - it's good to completely understand the various terms.

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Search on the forum for "SA Query timeout" there are a few threads reporting similar symptoms, and various settings to try, though AFAIK not a definite explanation and remedy. I've got a ticket with myself on this very same subject. I've tried all the various workarounds and nothing seems...

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Customers want more. Reliability, and monitoring - what's going on with my WiFi (and internet)? . Which means, who is connected, where is connected, what is the bottle-neck, etc,.. Some simple, but human-digestible page. I'd say that reliability stands heads and shoulders above all other requiremen...

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Thanks for that. Any reason why Mikrotik doesn't specify MIMO? I'm assuming a cAP ac is MIMO 2x2 for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz?

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Thanks everyone for their comments. Sadly I'm not in Croatia anymore. My friends are back out there and they're quite happy with 60-100Mbps most of the time so we'll leave it. It was a very cost effective solution for the holiday home as it supplied LTE modem, outdoor Wi-Fi and routing functionality...

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Do I detect sarcasm by any chance :lol: Just look at the sheer SIZE of those antenna! Size matters don't you know. I'm reminded of Elon Musk's electric truck. It just oozes power and ruggedness :-) One has to agree though that the basic specs for the price look impressive. Two 2.5GHz WAN/LAN ports ...

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Sorry for long post, but I had fun reading this long thread and I wanted to issue some topics. I don't disagree at all with anything you said as they're all valid points but that isn't the underlying point I was trying to make. Simply - Mikrotik networking equipment isn't common in the UK SOHO and ...

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Thanks all. After researching more, I got the impression that it was mainly marketing. I thought it might be some kind of cloud based controller akin to UBNT cloud controller.

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I am not willing to go back into the UniF--k ecosystem.

Intrigued what you don't like so much?

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Thanks everyone for their input here. Fascinating reading. Not sure I'm that much clearer or have the definitive answer :-) Maybe there isn't one. Certainly get the point that it's also about the number of antennae for MIMO. That clearly makes sense. I annoyingly dropped a brand new cAP ac yesterday...

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Classic problem caused by a lot of installers. They provide internet access somewhere in a basement or garage or some corner and as a consequence that's where most will place their router/AP device. To be fair, in a residential setting, you're usually restricted. They're not going to want you diggi...

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From what they write these are not simulations, they are field measures, though since the editor is US, the tested house is very likely to have "cardboard walls", which are not comparable with our (traditional) walls and not even with newish gypsum board ones (the americans tend to use wo...

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Yeah it's definitely broken/intermittent.

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Hmm... bit intermittent. I received an email for your reply!

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phpBB has stopped sending me notifications of new posts on subscribed topics. Have I broken something? I've checked junk mail in Outlook and M365/Exchange online quarantine. Nothing there.

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As in "Mikrotik CSS326-24G-2S+RM Cloud Smart Switch"?

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Gosh what a lot of replies. For some reason, phpBB isn't sending me notification emails anymore so I missed the replies. I'll have a read when I've got more time.

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Hardly a helpful reply...

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>Remove the DHCP client Is it okay to have this on the bridge - mainly so you can see what IP the access point/switch is using? PS. I can sympathise with some of the posters frustration. I got a hAP ax2 for use at home. Mainly to get familiar with AX on RouterOS before I even consider using with cli...

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A better comparison would actually be with the TP-Link Archer C6 WiFi 5 Router - the one above is just an access point. But the discussion about antenna size still applies.

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Having installed a lot of cheap-n-cheerful TP-Link routers and access points in mainly residential settings, I get a gut feeling that the Mikrotik's without external antennas don't seem to perform as well, esp. over distance. The TP-Link TL-WA1201 has four antenna: https://i.imgur.com/uz0q6Dv.png Ho...

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IMO 400MBps download is perfectly acceptable for the CAP ac. It's just two chains with a maximum throughput of 867 Mbit/s. Wi-Fi overheads can easily halve that.

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LOL - I'm sure Reform have stronger Wi-Fi powers in their manifesto.

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I came across one post that suggested reducing MTU from 1500 to 1450 which did help a bit.

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There have been so many posts on here about Mikrotik wireless that there must be something in it. Lost count of the number of "Used to have XYZ router/access point and since installing Mikrotik ABC I can't get Wi-Fi in such-and-such a room or using such-and-such device". Wrong power tables...

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Yes I knew it was rated at 300Mbps hence my reason for asking. The installation is pretty good and the signals are excellent so wondered if there was some additional settings and/or SIM card limitation. It's a Croatian SIM.

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A very pleasant trip to see friends sees the successful installation of a wAP ac LTE kit (RBwAPGR-5HacD2HnD & RTLe-LTE6) at their B&B in Croatia. The device is mounted on an external wall with excellent line of sight view of the transmitter 2km away. Cellmapper.net shows that the mast offers...

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Uses an app on mobile and not https through any web browser?

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And already too complex.

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Where?

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We all know that privacy should be of concern but for most SOHO it's not top of the list. Reliability and ease of use top everything else. I would guess that most of the newer routers are powerful enough to to run a cloud controller and associated website. 99.99% of the time, the website wouldn't be...

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But for more SOHO, cloud controller is exactly what they do want.

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I know... rather sad but I'm moving back to UI. Life is sometimes too short. We've talked about what market they're looking for and I suspect the market I'm in doesn't fit in with their strategy (SOHO).

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Does WPS accept work or is it a flaky concept at the best of times? Experience has shown over the years with lots of different kit that it sometimes works and often doesn't. I'm setting up an older Lenovo laptop with new Windows and can't get the WPS Accept button working on my hAP ax2. Windows star...

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Supplemental observation. So the laptop is falling back to 2.4GHz when it could work perfectly well at 5GHz. If I disable the 2.4GHz network (both have same SSID), the laptop immediately connects to 5GHz fine with IMO a reasonable speed (max is 850Mbps):

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I'm going to have to bring this one up again because my hAP ax2 is really struggling at home. I don't normally use my laptop at home as I've got a desktop PC but as you can see, it's currently restoring a Reflect image after I, err, accidentally deleted C:\Users folder ;-) https://i.imgur.com/38sIUZ...

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So it logs events only if radar is detected: no messages about starting or finishing a scan.

That's all I've ever seen DFS related in the logs.

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Nothing heard officially for a long time so sounds like it's a dead project.

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Hmm completely different chipsets then. There should be no logical reason why it's different between being configured as a router and a switch/access point. The main difference being lack of firewall and NAT on the later. But that shouldn't really affect Wi-Fi.

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Lenovo Intel Evo Thinkpad 1 year old Lenovo Intel Evo Slim7 3 years old That was my post and my problem was with a Lenovo laptop too. Probably both using the Realtek chipset. I think on these chipsets, it's a failure to implement 802.11d correctly. They don't set the country correctly and block con...

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I tend to avoid 5745 and above in public settings as some older client devices are unable to use them.

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But if you wander into wanting a guest VLAN for example, I'd stick with legacy CAPsMAN/wireless as setting up a VLAN almost negates having CAPsMAN at all IMO.

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EdgeRouter is forked from Vyatta, not VyOS. Please stop with the fake news. Don't VyOS and EdgeRouter have the same legacy root of Vyatta so it's reasonable to compare EdgeRouter and VyOS, albeit the fork seems to have been a long time ago. @Darknate - you even admitted you were a pain in your orig...

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Yet are more than happy to not comprehend and disregard what others say by then mentioning a substantially more complex setup that suits a completely different market segment Isn't this the basis of many threads? Love the hardware (mostly), love the power of RouterOS (but not without it's annoyance...

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It's not a MikroTik problem, it's a Linux switchdev/DSA problem, which will never be solved because it's embedded deep into Linux Kernel source code.

So won't all networking solutions based on the Linux kernel have the same issues/limitations?

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Not specifically - I have gone a ticket in there about how it processes a list of frequencies but that one was about it not doing a noise check if one specifies a list of frequencies. IMO if you specify freq1, freq2 it should always use freq1 first unless it's a DFS channel and CAC check fails. At t...

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Can't remember ever reading "Capsman 2". I call it "wireless capsman" and "wifi capsman". Imagine somebody new reading that line and wonder why they get confused? Esp. when new devices are still shipped with ROS v6. Wi-Fi and Wireless in the UK mean the same thing. I'v...

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AX is better than AC....

Hmm.... I'm not sure I agree with Mikrotik...

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Not an uncommon tale sadly.

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I've come late to this discussion but can relate to everything that's been said here. I really *want* Mikrotik to thrive because their hardware really is neat and RouterOS is wonderful (as a one-time assembly programmer) but I've had a word with myself recently and told myself to stop implementing i...

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it is possible that your ax2 selects frequency which is not supported by wifi clients. This isn't just limited to AX, it's a consideration with AC. In my (surprisingly visited) RouterOS document, I have this table: https://i.imgur.com/iXZ72sA.png Footnote 8 states "Some client devices can use ...

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Try setting specific frequencies on the 5GHz interface. Tx power varies considerably by channel. in UK, 5500 is the highest Tx power for me on hAP ax2.

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So again: get some wires laid and install multiple APs, placed on trategic places

Or consider a Powerline plugged into mains. When these work, they work well and far easier than running cables.

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Right now channel is 5320 and Tx power is 17. Also I moved a bit more the antennas to a 45º position. That's at the low end. There might be better frequencies that have significantly higher power (mid 20s). Different countries have different limits. It's possible your old ASUS wasn't obeying the lo...

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The ax3 is working properly, but the wireless performance is really poor.

What's the tx power and channel?

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I like the schedule as a "outside the box" solution but the :execute {/system reboot} is perfect.

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What frequency is your hAP on? Some WiFi chip sets can't connect to the higher frequencies. The Realtek in my cheap Android tablet for example.

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A question - in terms of deciding whether to connect at 2.4GHz or 5GHz, is it the client (Windows/laptop) that decides? Or does the access point get involved?

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Okay, have turned WPA3 off and switched back to just WPA2. Devices now connected at 5G except the laptop is still preferring to fall back to 2.4GHz. I suspect we may be barking up the wrong tree here and the problem with this specific Lenovo laptop is it's transmit power. This is what the laptop rep...

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Okay, got a few minutes spare to have a look at this. Laptop is back in the location where it gets SQ query timeouts. About to disable management protection. https://i.imgur.com/S2Ic066.png Got a warning but assume that's okay. Have disabled WPS as well but assume that's unconnected. https://i.imgur...

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>5GHz wifi not connecting at all after some uptime. sometimes a few days, sometimes a few weeks, but nothing except a router reboot seems to help. I had that and appear to have "fixed it" by specifying a list of frequencies in preferred order and also a scheduled task running every hour to...

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Mikrotik have confirmed that /tool/sms/export failing on hAP lite is a bug and will be fixed.

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This part is something only MT knows. Indeed and that's why I'd love for the engineers to engage in some of these "chewing the fat" discussions. Sure, I know they're busy, busy, busy but I feel it would help overall. Not in here though, too much noise ;-) So a separate discussion system. ...

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That's good news - looks like they're aware of the issues. This post has wandered a little from the original poster with general connection stability issues into SA Query Timeout, into signal strength and into radar check issues. They're all probably wrapped up together!

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Maybe not coincidence because whilst the access point carries out the physical radar check, it could be CAPsMAN that decides what to do with the radar event and which frequency to move to? My reasoning here is that CAPsMAN holds the configuration data on frequency, not the access point? When I talk ...

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No, that would be a flaw. You certainly have a reason to restrict the frequency to a single one. If you want a "fallback", you need to configure at least a second frequency. I might agree with this but as you say, the flaw is that it never tries CAC again after 30 minutes. If you had 5500...

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has anyone tried to set "disabled" for management protection?

This was the other suggestion made that I've not tried yet.

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hAP ax2 user at home here in my office/lab. Also experiencing SA Query timeouts with my laptop. Never had a problem before when I used the Virgin Media Superhub. There is another post on this. My Lenovo laptop has a Realtek 8822CE 802.11ac Wi-Fi chip on the motherboard. I'm currently using a USB Rea...

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has anyone tried to set "disabled" for management protection?

No but I will have a go. Doesn't that reduce security?

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I really don't understand, this problem has been reported like a year ago, and still Mikrotik did NOTHING to help their customers. Don't you think it's kinda wrong? I tend to agree. The Lenovo laptop I mentioned above really struggles to maintain a 5G connection and it's in the same room. I'm keepi...

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Put this way, CAPsMAN in v7 is double trouble. Having put off trying to get it working, my initial reaction is I agree. In old CAPsMAN, it wasn't too bad on the access points. Sure, not as easy for SOHO as Unifi but workable. Mikrotik still loose sales though due to the perceived difficulty of use....

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You must be joking.
Do you really expect Mikrotik to suddenly break their years long tradition of naming things in the most confusing manner possible?
No chance.

Thanks for making me smile as my head is exploding looking at new CAPsMAN, cAP ac and qcom-ac.

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Why is this the case? I thought we lived in a VLAN-Filtered world now. Maybe but in many SOHO cases, using VLAN tagging on the interface itself (correct terminology?) was a lot simpler to set-up - on the main router/bridge, the setup for a guest VLAN wasn't too hard (create guest-vlan, set-up guest...

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I whole heartedly agree ... and hope that they'll bring them up to the same level eventually.

I really shouldn't try and look at this stuff late on

What a can of worms I've wandered into...

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This one is a bit of a can of worms isn't it? Takes configuring a new cAP ac from a very quick and relatively painless operation of a) reset in CAPs mode and b) change password & identity into a pretty nightmare series of steps (okay first three steps have to be done anyway): Upgrade to latest v...

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Is all of this, err, configuration required just because the qcom-ac wireless driver doesn't support vlan tagging on the interface itself?

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And for the record, I've just gone through the cAP ac configuration in CAPs mode and documented the differences needed. Hardly central management via CAPsMAN anymore :( # 2024-04-29 22:58:29 by RouterOS 7.14.3 # software id = L2M3-RH7W # # model = RBcAPGi-5acD2nD # serial number = E2810E56A183 /inte...

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Is there a mistake in the examples given here: https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WiFi#WiFi-CAPsMAN-CAPVLANconfigurationexample: The documentation is for a CAP which typically have one or two ethernet ports. Am I missing something but the example is this: /interface bridge port add bridge=br...

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But in terms of your comment "each AP must be manually configured IN ANY CASE with some bridge and VLAN settings", yes, I believe you're correct. I agree that it's not ideal and is a step backwards from the old CAPsMAN where doing a factory reset into CAPS mode was all you had to do. As yo...

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I'm about to tackle this change introduced in new CAPsMAN resulting in the error "vlan-id configured, but interface does not support assigning vlans" if you try and assign a VLAN via configuration, as in old CAPsMAN. Nobody has replied but maybe because there are many other posts on the sa...

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>It's a quite steep learning curve Ain't that the truth!! The power and complexity of RouterOS is both a blessing and a curse. For the experienced, it's incredible. For the newbie, it's downright scary and off-putting. Which is part of the reason for the discussion going on about WinBox, controller,...

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Thanks for that. After I posted, Network Berg covered the hAP ax3 and said it didn't really have hardware switching at all. I noticed that some block diagrams says "Switch chip" outside the SOC and some just say "Switch" inside the core. Infer the later isn't hardware. Specifical...

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Just watching a couple of "The Network Berg"'s videos on YT. Very good. He's just made me aware of the block diagrams for each device on the hardware page online. This is the hAP ax2. Do I read this right that the wireless interfaces don't benefit from hardware switching? Not that I think ...

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The hAP ax2 has a Gigabit QCA8075 switch chip. This chip isn't listed here: https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Switch+Chip+Features Does this mean it's "Other" and what does "no" mean for each entry? For example, VLAN table under "Other" is "no". Does ...

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I would have expected some kind of API as that's more efficient (no need to parse command line) and less prone to breaking changes.

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Well I do because it preludes my laptop falling back to 2.4GHz with a perfectly strong signal

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There are quite a few posts on SA Query Timeout. Getting same myself with my Lenovo laptop with Realtek NIC and hAP ax2.

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>That basically is what winbox is doing as well.

Does WinBox effectively issue CLI commands to get/set changes?

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I sometimes wonder, considering the philosophy of Mikrotik esp. around licensing, whether an open source approach to developing web based management tools would work? I'm semi-retiring now and I'm interested in a project although that might be something completely different like a model railway. Mik...

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Just a "me too" having problems with disconnects on hAP ax2. Just my home network with the usual stuff. Laptop struggles to maintain a connection and my mobile often can't see the 5GHz network at all. There are several topics on the same/similar subject.

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Happened to be catching up on YouTube and came across this video by a staunch Mikrotik supporter with 222 videos mainly about Mikrotik - so you can hardly call him a hater but he felt compelled to release this video entitled "Things I don't like about MikroTik..." https://www.youtube.com/w...

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>It would really help if you stated what are your wishes/requirements from the new web app.

Unifi controller for RouterOS basically.

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>So you can simply forget the idea of seeing web app connect via MAC to your ROS device.

Much the same was said about accessing cameras from web applications... never say never.

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>There's already WebFig ... functionality-wise it's on par with WinBox, so no need to re-invent the wheel. There is yes but you can't access it remotely unless you set-up port forwarding or VPN. Complexity again... also, it's a per device interface, not a controller for the entire network. I'm not t...

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As I said, it is 10 years since I did any web app development and I still read CodeProject with envy as to how powerful the modern frameworks look these days. I want Mikrotik to thrive. I love the power of RouterOS but I do lose some customers to Unifi for simplicity of their cloud controller. I'm a...

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I see native WinBox on Linux in my dream when i sleep ))) Which is why IMO effort should be directed at web applications, not native apps. Having written both, I completely appreciate that writing web apps is harder although considering the last one I wrote was 10+ years ago, I would imagine the fr...

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I left the laptop on the coffee table, connected to 5GHz using the Wi-Fi 6 USB network adapter and came back about an hour later and it too had got SA Query timeout errors and had fallen back to 2.4GHz: https://i.imgur.com/kTl5ga8.png Something isn't right here. This is sat 1.5m from the router with...

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I'm going to do some more reading up on this before I start making any changes. For the record, the device I'm having trouble with is an Lenovo V15 G2-ALC laptop, Windows 10, Realtek 882CE 802.11ac wireless chip. Using WPA2/3 authentication with defaults for everything else. Not tried the FT switche...

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Maybe it is better if we do not hijack @dalami's thread.

Agreed. Will switch to other thread.

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Thanks, will do but another time - it's late in UK and I've spent more hours than I really wanted to on this.

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solution for me:

/interface/wifiwave2/configuration> set [find] security.connect-priority=0/1

How do you query this setting? /interface/wifi/configuration/print doesn't show anything. It doesn't appear in /export either.

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After much testing, the only solution I found was to disable WPA3. I've just done the exact same thing on my home hAP AX2. My not-that-old Lenovo laptop really struggles with a 5GHz connection with many SA Query timeout errors in the log. Switch back to WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK combo, disabling WPA3-PSK an...

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Each device reports strength of signal received from the link peer . inSSIDer is reporting signal strength of AP, received by laptop. And hAP ax3 reports signal strength of laptop. As AP reports much lower signal strength than laptop, this means either hAP ax3 has shitty receiver (not very likely) ...

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I've just come across this thread about SA timeouts: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=198736 This appears to be the problem on my laptop so not the signal issue as such. If I change from WPA2-PSK/WP3-PSK to WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK, the SA timeout errors stop and my laptop can connect fine. I'm no...

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Good tip - it probably was running but not after the restart.

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I've just put a new Wi-Fi 6 USB adapter in my laptop and it's connected fine with a signal strength of -59. Is there some quirk with ac devices? Signal strength is similar: https://i.imgur.com/6aHP1mH.png Windows reports a pretty good connection: https://i.imgur.com/hqROMYP.png But speed test is hor...

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I'm a hAP ax2 user at home and I too struggle with 5GHz signal strength downstairs in mainly open space, i.e. same room. My home set-up is hAP ax which is sat in an open fronted cupboard under the TV. My laptop is usually on a desk about 4m away. There is a partial 20cm stone wall and me (!) blockin...

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Haven't had chance to do the research yet. Real life keeps getting in way... I have the lab setup though.

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Thanks everyone. I've got several clients with cAP ac's so I'm just looking at one in the lab. I think the only hurdle I need to overcome is some problem with CAPsMAN and guest VLANs. The solution about doing the tagging in a different way is covered a forum post somewhere

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From the documentation, the advantages/new features of the new wireless package are WPA3 and Fast Roaming. Any other stability improvements?

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Did you have a correct capsman controller ready on the network ? Because then it will be provisioned and ready to go. If not, it will move on to next default config. Yes but it's possible I powered it up before I plugged into network. Running of it's own PoE adapter. But the CAPsMAN of the controll...

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It comes pre-configured in caps-mode from factory. I've just taken delivery of a cAP ac and I'm afraid it not configured in CAPs mode. It's definitely in router mode: https://i.imgur.com/NrJpAtT.png Sure, it's not difficult to connect to it's default Wi-Fi which means it then appears in WinBox from...

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My new-ish hAP ax2 only has one quick set as well - Home AP Dual

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I might suggest to reset to default config, test how it works and then gradually modify and add your things again leaving out what's not needed. Test after each step again. Where it "breaks" again, you know you did something wrong. This sounds a sensible suggestion esp. as you can backup ...

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When you do a manual upgrade via packages, I assume the APK goes into memory? My client's cAP ac only have about 1MB free storage so I assume this must be the case. Also, I assume the entire RouterOS system is stored on the 16MB storage hence the reason it's getting tight?

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AX Lite - ARM32, 2.4GHz only but make no mistake, AX-2.4 can go up to 400Mbps. 4 ether ports. You'd be surprised what this little thing can do. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. Added a Wi-Fi 6 USB adapter to my laptop and on 2.4GHz through my hAP ax2 I can get 180MB...

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Check this tutorial, the "de facto" guide around here for everything vlan:
viewtopic.php?t=143620

Part labeled: Access Point

Thanks for that - hadn't come across it before. Experimenting and learning more about VLANS and that looks very useful.

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However: create a support ticket!

I will now that somebody else has confirmed it... that's all I was waiting for.

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What does a silly rant about your inability to configure a capac have to with entering a support ticket for winbox ???

It was in reference to the comment about Linux client.

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Exactly like this.

Not exactly at all. You either have to set-up CAPsMAN (not easy) or configured wireless entries (also not trivial).

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Re this - see my "rant" on https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=1064802#p1064802 ;-) Not that I'm particularly asking for a Linux client. Only even tend to use Linux server with no desktop. But I personally think the interface effort should be more down the controller route - cloud h...

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Wandering off topic... Hmm even with a device destined for use 99% of the time as an access point, the cAP ac comes preconfigured as a router doesn't it? Plug it into the existing network and open WinBox and AFAIK it won't appear as neighbourhood defaults to LAN. So you have to either connect to the...

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>And what's wrong with VPN, an overlay network and then Winbox in from wherever you are ? Because at this site, the laptop also runs a legacy Unfi Controller so it was there already. >I still don't understand why Winbox needs to be kept open... apart from the added security risk it poses. It doesn't...

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After reading this thread the hAP ax3 doesn't seem so attractive anymore. This is a minefield! I wanted USB, but seemingly it causes some sort of interference. I wanted better Wi-Fi performance, but now the cheaper ax2 appears to perform better. What should I buy? Maybe the hEX S with TP-Link AP's ...

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I've got several sites where I've got an old laptop onsite for maintenance. Often leave it logged in running WinBox. That said, one has to question why I need to monitor the network so closely when I don't tend to do that with Unifi sites (ducks).

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As I said, still waiting for somebody else to confirm the problem. Plus we discuss lots of bugs on here first before deciding it really is a bug. Not going to fire off a support email for every single problem I encounter esp. as they're often not a bug but a misunderstanding of something.

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24 hours later and WinBox is up from 43MB to 280MB working memory. At that rate, it would get to 1GB in about a week. So sounds like either a memory leak or a design problem whereby something grows without check.

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I'm not sure if ROS actually does measurements accross all 20MHz channels, members of inteded wide-channel, to select least occupied channel as Control channel. My (limited) experience doesn't support his kind of theory. Same here. The only reason I could see for specifying a range is if did find t...

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Aside: what does this do?

This is the frequency range of the first 80Mhz wide band. I know if you specify 5180, you get Ceee, 5200 eCee etc. Does RouterOS sort of do some check to see which extension band works best?

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Also:
Are you sure your wifi is not using a channel which your client devices can not see ?
AX tend to favor the higher frequencies but quite a lot of devices are unable to use them.

Indeed - some older kit struggles with channel 149 and above.

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winbox64.exe consuming more RAM than java.exe. Congratulations MikroTik! That's an achievement

LOL - the Java app is the UniFi controller also running on the same box.

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Winbox would be v3.40 or whatever version of Winbox you are using. Maybe add connecting to a v7.14 router. Sorry my bad, was looking at the version of the box connected to. Yes, it's v3.40 and already up to 74MB after a couple of hours. I've saved the session - does that save the open windows? But ...

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I had a similar problem which I posted a while back. 5GHz Wi-Fi disappeared although 2.4GHz Wi-Fi was fine. My problem was that I'd specified a single frequency for 5Ghz (5500) and a radar event was occurring. This ended up disabling the interface. IMO in situations like this, RouterOS should switch...

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(with a cautionary note for the limited storage those devices mostly have, not much else but AP functions should be run on those devices then). With the additional caveat that a common way of setting up a guest VLAN via tagging on the interface itself via CAPsMAN v2 doesn't seem to work. Several po...

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That sounds like a bug as it should at least end up on 5180 which is non-DFS - and therefore no affected by that switch?

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I'm not going to bother support until somebody else mentions it as right now it could equally be a problem with the host computer. The host needed updates so I've installed and rebooted. Will leave Winbox running for several days again. On start-up, it's using 43MB.

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