MikroTik

anuser

Has MT an air time fairness implementation at all? Isn't that something off-standards?

- MT's own old wireless drivers? => No

- wifiwave2 with chipset vendors driver? => Yes, those driver supports it, but is it enabled by MikroTik for IPQ40xx?

anuser

Thank you very much for new wifi-qcom-ac package and it's included support for cAP ac. Is airtime fairness feature (ATF) enabled by default for IPQ40xx devices? Or is it disabled?

anuser

What ist the current state of airtime fairness feature in wifiwave2 packages. Is it enabled or disabled for all chipsets (older IPQ40xx and new IPQ60xx)?

anuser

Solved with RouterOS 7.13

@MikroTik: Thank you very much

anuser

Nice, finally vendor's chipset drivers for cAP ac. So the 128 MB RAM of the cAP ac is no longer a problem?

anuser

I have CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+ go crazy with console crashes, script errors (action timed out) and more. Sadly even generating a support output file fails...
Opened issue SUP-125133.

Same problem with a CCR1036-8G-2S+
=> Back to 7.10.2

anuser

Shameless push

anuser

Has anyone succeded running "FibreChannel over Ethernet" (FCoE) over a MikroTik EoIP tunnel? Should this work?

anuser

Dreaming of an easy solution for our xx.xxx students:

- Back To Home
- Shibboleth login
- Full IPv4 + IPv6 dual stack tunnel after connect

anuser

yes, it is not a "drop in stock driver", there is work to be done for each model anyway, even if model-specific NPK would exist So it´s only about time and money. How would you estimate the costs? I.e. If we start a Indiegogo project, how moch money would we need to raise in order to get ...

anuser

According to https://mikrotik.com/products/matrix all 32 MikroTik IPQ-40xx based products share the same architecture, i.e. ARM 32 bit. Yet again => Naive notion: Delete all folders except the one(s) for IPQ4019 and create an wifiwave2-7.8-arm-ipq40xx.npk? => Problem solved: 802.11r for hAP ac2 is a...

anuser

We can't have PER-CHIPSET packages, since NAND/RAM is different per model, not per chipset Well ;-) Really? Let´s take a look at the current Extra package s at https://mikrotik.com/download 1. ARM => "all_packages-arm-7.8.zip\wifiwave2-7.8-arm.npk\lib\firmware\" - IPQ4019 - IPQ5018 - IPQ5...

anuser

We do not have "PER MODEL" packages. Only then we could do this. But change like that would require something like RouterOS v8, where all NPK package system is different, and we can make RouterOS-v8-hAP-ac.npk This is actually not needed, you can make an "PER CHIPSET" addon wifi...

anuser

Well, 802.11k, 802.11v, 802.11r for hAP ac2, cAP ac, wAP ac 1. gen, exists... ... with OpenWRT (officially) starting with release 22.03: https://openwrt.org/toh/mikrotik/hap_ac2 https://openwrt.org/toh/mikrotik/rbcapgi-5acd2nd_cap_ac https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/mikrotik/mikrotik_rbwapg-5hact2hnd_...

anuser

With 1 802.11ax client connected with 2x2:2 to one 802.11ax access point with 80 MHz you should get around stable 800 Mbit/s if it is sitting right next to the access point.

anuser

Well, using LACP with combined 4x 1 Gbit/s: [switch in building A, port 1, LACP] ----[MikroTik router with EoIP endpoint]--------layer 3 -------- [MikroTik router with EoIP endpoint]----[switch in building B, port 1 with LACP] [switch in building A, port 2, LACP] ----[MikroTik router with EoIP endpo...

anuser

So a "wifiwave2-lite" package for e.g. IPQ/4018/IPQ4019 devices with 16MB of ROM seems not be unrealistic to me at all Read what I wrote above: a hAP ac2 has only 1200kB (1.2MB) of free space left with a bare 7.9 install of RouterOS. That will fill up "soon" with the new 7.x rel...

anuser

You can stop dreaming, like it was already said multiple times, ww2 package uses stock driver, which is very large. We can't and wont take it apart, it would render useless our efforts to make stock qualcomm driver work in ROS. that was the whole point, take the driver and use it. Well, ww2 package...

anuser

Well, last week a user reported a problem. 1 cAP ac in his room, RouterOS 7.7. CAPsMAN with local forwarding, WPA2-Enterprise, EAP-TLS for the clients: - My android 11 smartphone works - His iPAD with firmware 16.2 works - His Windows 10 laptop with some Intel AX2xx card works. - His iPhone 14 iwth ...

anuser

This is a repost from myself from last year: "This was the main reason why I moved once from MikroTik to Aruba Network AP-5xx access points for high density and later to Grandstream GWN7660 for office environments, plus VRF lite for clients. https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=153735#p76...

anuser

Shameless push 01/2023

anuser

802.11v is probably the only protocol that you can enable blindly without testing anything. If you turn on 802.11k, you need to experiment with the Quiet IE parameter, otherwise some Intel Clients will not be able to connect. Lastly, 802.11r is a wildcard and some older clients might have problems ...

anuser

So we need MikroTik.Has anyone asked them in person whether they could provide the package?

anuser

Why do we need Airtime Fairness? (ATF) Traditionally, your phones, laptops, pads or any other devices need to compete for the chance to transmit and receive data when they are connected to the same Wi-Fi signal. In this situation, once a slow transmitting device gets the chance, it will take longer...

anuser

CCR1036-8G-2S+
log says: "snmp, warning timeout while waiting for program 48"
=> All CAPs lost connection, echo timeout

anuser

Does current wifiwave2 driver support ATF (airtime fairness)?

anuser

So has anyone compared different queue types for wireless interfaces with RouterOS v7? Is there any benefits when 10, 20, 30 concurrent clients shares their airtime?

anuser

Have you tried disabling STP on the bridge of your CAPs?

/interface bridge
set [ find name=bridge1 ] protocol-mode=none

anuser

CAP AC and HAP AC2 are both WAVE2 devices and with a proper software can do it too. MikroTik decided to cut down RAM in cAP ac. Even OpenWrt uses a slimmed down driver (kmod-ath10k-ct-smallbuffers), but you get full roaming protocols. But firmware Image size is only 7 MB https://firmware-selector.o...

anuser

Upgraded from 6.49.6 to 7.5rc on MikroTik hAP ac. EAP-TLS authentication for wireless stopped working.

anuser

Don´t use CAPsMAN controller with traffic going through CAPsMAN controller with such an amount of MikroTik access points. For us I disabled CAPsMAN, configured single MikroTiks + VRF/VRF-lite in our network. I use MikroTik only in areas with low density / low requirements. For high density we use Ar...

anuser

Finally someone has found a Grandstream product that works!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: Besides some xxx MikroTik cAP ac leftovers we use Aruba AP-5xx and Grandstream access points. Nowadays we use Grandstream´s manager software running locally on CentOS Linux. We started with GWN7630/LR (Mediatek MT...

anuser

Very High Density 802.11ac Networks Validated Reference Design : https://community.arubanetworks.com/bro ... f8f5a5e6f8

Don´t use MikroTik access points for high density.

anuser

Thank you for your report.

anuser

Has anyone already tested cAP ac with RouterOS v7.4rc and did wireless single/multiclient benchmarks both with 2.4 and 5.0 GHz radio and compared the results to the results with OpenWrt v22.03rc5 ( https://firmware-selector.openwrt.org/?version=22.03.0-rc5&target=ipq40xx%2Fmikrotik&id=mikrot...

anuser

Before any moderator , or worse an administrator , of the forum intervenes, you all better stop advertising other brands. Thanks. Well, nowadays we'd recommend access points with 802.11ax with full roaming protocol support, i.e. 802.11k, 802.11v, 802.11r and features like airtime fairness and band ...

anuser

I'm dreaming of a wifiwave2 driver package for IPQ4018/IPQ4019 based MikroTik access points like hAP ac2 and cAP ac with 128 MB of RAM and 16 MB of ROM. Looking into the current big wifiwave2 driver package it should be possible to extract all IPQ40xx parts and provide a smaller wifiwave2 lite packa...

anuser

As being said before. Don't use MikroTik for higher density. We stopped using our CAPsMAN Setup (started with multiple CCR1036, later CHR) with < 1000 cAP ac years ago and replaced them with Aruba 600 - 900$ APs for our lecture halls, libraries and seminar rooms. And for office environments we start...

anuser

It would be great if someone could post his benchmark results: 6.49 versus 7.x for legacy devices with lower RAM and ROM, i.e. cAP ac, hAP ac2, wAP ac 1. gen, wAP ac 2. gen, ...

anuser

There likely is no chip compatibility issue, but there might well be a code size problem. Many MikroTik devices have only 16M flash space, and as we all know it is very important to have SMB, Proxy Server, "detect internet", "kid control" etc etc so there might well be no space ...

anuser

This was the main reason why I moved once from MikroTik to Aruba Network AP-5xx access points for high density and later to Grandstream GWN7660 for office environments, plus VRF lite for clients. https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=153735#p760146: Hello, the short version: CAPSMAN forwarding ...

anuser

The TL-SG1428PE a business class switch has had 5 firmware updates since The TL-SG1428PE is a good example for a strange product development. As you can see on the support homepage there are 4 different Hardware revisions, each with a separate firmware file. TP-Link is not business, it's considered...

anuser

TP-Link switches are easy to use, but depending on model do not receive updates that long. Back to topic: You´re talking about a campus. So what is the current design of the network? What about layer 3? Static routes or something dynamic? I myself use low cost switches (Netgear ProSAFE GS700, ZyXel ...

anuser

@anuser: thanks for the advice.
This high school has a 2012 HPE infrastructure and wants to upgrade the backbones to 10G. As a security appliance they have a Sonicwall NSA 2700.
Thanks professionals.

Which switches are used nowadays? Can you provide some model numbers?

anuser

So, your customers actually wants to save money, saw MikroTik switches and thought "Hey, that 10G switch has the same amount of switchports as the Aruba on, but only coast 1/20 of it?). Please: No! MikroTik switches do not provide the same layer 2 nor layer 3 features as Aruba/HPE If the custom...

anuser

Hello, so I used EoIP to get a layer 2 tunnel between a DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) and a datacenter. Setup: => device A----[LAN switch]-----MikroTic cAP ac-<EoIP tunnel>---------------------Internet (latency ~ 60ms)-------------------<EoIP tunnel>-MikroTic cAP ac-----[LAN switch]----device B - Wh...

anuser

I wish there were some capable wifi devices/vendor aside china-spyware (TP-Link, Zyxel, tenda,...) and ubiquiti cloudbloatware. And no, for a home user with privacy concerns it is out of price-range to go for 500€ enterprise wifi hardware e.g. from ruckus. Beside Aruba AP-535/AP-555 access points w...

anuser

I have a problem with ROS version 7.1.1. on wAP ac old devices (RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD on mipsbe). The problem mainly concerns 5G WiFi and is manifested by a decrease in speed towards the upload. The problem does not occur on wAP ac new (RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD on arm). I did not observe the problem on hAP ac3 ...

anuser

You can download and open "Extra Packages" for "ARM" at mikrotik.com/download. There you will find the wifiwave2 package. If you open it and navigate to \lib\firmware you will find folders with chipset names: - QCA9984 - QCA9888 - IPQ8074v2 - IPQ8074 - IPQ6018 - IPQ5018 - IPQ4019...

anuser

Example: Even cheap devices like the Grandstream GWN7660 or GWN7630LR access point with Qualcomm IPQ6000 or Mediatek MT7615 chipsets are Wi-Fi certified nowadays.

WFA110473 (Outdoor Long Range 80211ac Wave2 4x44 WiFi Access Point).pdf

WFA113007 (80211ax 222 WiFi 6 Access Point).pdf

anuser

source: https://www.wifi-professionals.com/2018 ... tilisation

anuser

Version 7.1 has been released. WIRELESS ---------------------- !) completely new alternative wireless package "wifiwave2" with 802.11ac Wave2, WPA3 and 802.11w management frame protection support (requires ARM CPU and 256MB RAM); ---------------------- I would like to request a separate s...

anuser

I would like to request a separate smaller wifiwave2-package for cAP ac, hAP ac2, ... i.e. all devices with IPQ4018/IPQ4019 chipsets which could be possible: * As the new combined wifiwave2 package contains several firmware files, libraries and linux kernel modules for different chipsets the file np...

anuser

Upgrade from 6.48.4 to 6.49 => Clients do not get IP address via DHCP over the EoIP tunnel
Downgrade to 6.48.5 => Clients do not get IP address via DHCP over the EoIP tunnel
Downgrade to 6.48.4 => Clients receive an IP address again.

=> RB750GR3 on both sites.

anuser

cAP ac with v6.49. Macbook Pro with macOS Big Sur 11.3 disconnects after 60 minutes (repeatable) while other devices stay connected (and needs some minutes to connect again) => Group Key Update is set to 60 minutes.

anuser

Upgrade from 6.48.4 to 6.49 => Clients do not get IP address via DHCP over the EoIP tunnel Are you running CHR on a virtualization environment? Or is it a physical router? I had such issues and it was due to permission settings in the virtualization (allow promiscuous mode, allow MAC spoofing, etc)...

anuser

Upgrade from 6.48.4 to 6.49 => Clients do not get IP address via DHCP over the EoIP tunnel
Downgrade to 6.48.5 => Clients do not get IP address via DHCP over the EoIP tunnel
Downgrade to 6.48.4 => Clients receive an IP address again.

anuser

Cool. But do you have any information about support of Wi-Fi 5 wave 2 on cap (xl) ac? Wi-Fi 6 is not such important for home users, but wave 2 should be already implemented. I'm doing decision - wait for mikrotik to be able to use capsman or convert network to another vendor. Thanks The problem wit...

anuser

What went wrong? Which limitation did appear? Prolly RAM limitation, ath10k requires 256MB RAM for two radios for proper functionality. OpenWrt barely runs on these units with a patch to reduce ath10k-ct RAM consumption but it's not usable for anything else than basic router/AP functionality. Mikro...

anuser

a cheap Belkin RT3200 and flashed it with OpenWrt.

is not the competitor of the upcoming MikroTik cAP ax which will use IPQ60xx chipset. Current low cost competitors with the same chipset family nowadays would be:

- Engenius EWS357AP
- Grandstream GWN7660

Both can be purchased for < 100$

anuser

I would like to request a separate smaller wifiwave2-package for cAP ac, hAP ac2, ... i.e. all devices with IPQ4018/IPQ4019 chipsets which could be possible: * As the new combined wifiwave2 package contains several firmware files, libraries and linux kernel modules for different chipsets the file np...

anuser

RouterOS version 7.1beta5 has been released in public "development" channel! *) wifiwave2 - improved interface stability with multiple WPA3 authenticated clients; I would like to request a separate wifiwave2 package for IPQ4018/IPQ4019 devices with 16MB of ROM and 128M of RAM. With such a...

anuser

LACP works with 2 switches in two buildings and 4 MikroTik wAP 60 GHz. It´s fully transparent.

anuser

256 RAM, required by new wave2 wireless driversb]2[/b] and cAP ac). MikroTik cap AC uses IPQ4018 chipset, 128 MB RAM, 16 MB ROM. MikroTik tells us, that wifiwave2 drivers (with MU-MIMO support) need more RAM and ROM. AFLA AL120C-AC uses IPQ4018 chipset, 128 MR RAM, 16 MB ROM and supports MU-MIMO. =...

anuser

At this point FCC(America, and some other like Brazil, south Korea and Chile) have recently made those frequencies available for low power device use in those counties domestic band plans. Other counties such as Australia and Europe( like where Mikrotik is made!), have not yet had all those frequen...

anuser

Why would mikrotik, make a niche product for that band plan by FCC. Niche? 6 GHz is used for 802.11ax world wide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ax-2021). Within Q3/Q4 2021, vendors start selling their enterprise access points. Consumer routers with triple radios (2.4GHz, 5 GHz, 6GHZ) and...

anuser

@bpwl Thanks for the great info, as always!... Perhaps MikroTik can make a few comments here, or I send in a ticket for their review of this thread.... I have a feeling we will have wait for RouterOS 7 & the new hardware that supports it, along with the new wifi driver implementations. But, may...

anuser

I prefer a longer wait, for a good implementation of WiFi 6. Now you see, implementations of it with other brands that are not yet mature. Well, other vendors (Cisco, Aruba, Extreme Networks, ... ) already support 802.11ax for years. Meanwhile all 802.11ax major features work, too: - DL MU-MIMO - U...

anuser

Well, as mentioned before. Just install OpenWrt on hAP ac2 (https://forum.openwrt.org/t/support-for-mikrotik-hap-ac2/23333/383) and see if those large number of packet retransmissions are still there. If this is not the case, RouterOS is the source of the problem. Don´t forget to backup your license...

anuser

This actually remembers me of a test with cAP ac which has the same IP40xx chipset as the hAP ac2. The test is some years old. We put in an external wireless sniffer device which captured the traffic for some days. According to the report there were strange packet retransmissions on 5 GHz. On the sc...

anuser

As you already mentioned in https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=174745 Should I just accept that for some reason, in my use case, the TP-link + OpenWRT solution is just better? Edit: Yep, just now I setup the TP-link to act as a simple AP, connected it to the hAp and everything works...

anuser

Meanwhile I am trying to support an openwrt project that would bring better wifi drivers to my cAP acs at home. https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/4055 => Nice to see that work was restarted for getting a port done. The actual goal would be to get it into official 21.02 branch in order to reac...

anuser

RouterOS version 7.1beta5 has been released in public "development" channel! *) wifiwave2 - improved interface stability with multiple WPA3 authenticated clients; I would like to request a separate wifiwave2 package for IPQ4018/IPQ4019 devices with 16MB of ROM. With such a package a lot o...

anuser

Well you actually don´t buy MikroTik devices from Amazon.ca, hopefully. TP-Link EAP245 price: https://geizhals.de/tp-link-omada-eap245-a1532804.html MikroTik cAP AC price: https://geizhals.de/mikrotik-routerboard-cap-ac-rbcapgi-5acd2nd-a1861544.html There are a lot of strange price differences betwe...

anuser

Speed is good Well that's a single Client download test with MikroTik's self made driver. - Have you ever tried to use a MikroTik 802.11ac access point in a multi client scenario? You would shocked by its low performance. - The new wifiwave2 package includes drivers and firmwares from the chipsets ...

anuser

I think we would be all way luckier customers if MikroTik supported better wireless 802.11ac/ax access points. Currently MikroTik offers "cheapest" solutions which led to too much anger and frustration on our customer side. There are a lot of customers who are willing to pay more to get a ...

anuser

Can you please post your configuration while running 6.47.9? (/export compact)
Do you see any difference between configuration of 6.45.9 and 6.47.9 at all if you compare full /export?

anuser

The cambium e410 has come down to $260. That's nearly 4 times as much as the cap AC that it SLIGHTLY out performs. Well, iperf3 single client performance with a Cambium E410 access point which uses the same chipset as MikroTIk cAP ac, i.e. IPQ4018. Upload and download: - https://www.batna24.com/pro...

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IPerf3 Single client performance with a Cambium E410 access point which uses the same chipset as MikroTIk cAP ac, i.e. IPQ4018. Upload and download: - https://www.batna24.com/products/pages/testy-urzadzen/wielki-test-ap-czesc3-cambium-cnpilotE410/CambiumcnPilote410-2D.png - https://www.batna24.com/p...

anuser

Are you saying Cambium is not much better than Mikrotik, and if so which model(s) were you using! As the cAP ac Cambium uses IPQ4018 chipset in it E410. But Cambium offers full roaming, MU-MIMO, airtime fairness and has better overall performance when there are more concurrent connected clients. Yo...

anuser

- Do your hand-data-collectors support 5 GHz at all? Do you have a link to its datasheet? - Do you have a PoE switch available for powering the access points? - If they do 12 access points with omnidirectional antennas would fit. You might not need all 12 access points. You have to check. - Don´t us...

anuser

Keep your RB2011UiAS for Routing and Firewalling. Add 2x Grandstream GWN7630 and use their integrated wireless controller. You can manage both access points from one access point as they build a cluster. Do you have PoE injectors available? The Grandtream access point don´t ship with those unfortuna...

anuser

FYI hAP ac2 just got official OpenWRT support, this milestone opens the possibility of supporting more Mikrotik IPQ40XX devices such as cAP ac and hAP ac3 in the future. https://firmware-selector.openwrt.org/?version=SNAPSHOT&target=ipq40xx%2Fmikrotik&id=mikrotik_hap-ac2 Nice, thank you. Yo...

anuser

According to https://openwrt.org/inbox/toh/mikrotik/mikrotik_hap_ac OpenWRT firmware not supported for hAP AC2. How to install this firmware?

https://forum.openwrt.org/t/support-for ... -ac2/23333 The port is also working on cAP ac.

anuser

RouterOS version 7.1beta5 has been released in public "development" channel! *) wifiwave2 - improved interface stability with multiple WPA3 authenticated clients; I would like to request a separate wifiwave2 package for IPQ4018/IPQ4019 devices with 16MB of ROM. With such a package a lot o...

anuser

Thanks for the answer SiB
Looks like we won't have to wait Q2:
https://mikrotik.com/product/chateau_5g
;)

16 MB of ROM. Please MikroTik, not again. The router has IPQ4019 chipset, so with with 16 MB of ROM currently wifiwave2 driver package will no run on it...

anuser

The actual firmware / kernel modul for IPQ40xx based devices (like cAP ac) would small enough to fit in a smaller wifiwave2 package which could be used on e.g. cAP ac with its 16MB of ROM. Unfortunately MikroTik hasn´t released anything like this. Custom tools for creating your own *.npk packages (l...

anuser

Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz ) Question; Is anybody running any Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz ) home or WISP wireless networks ( yet ) ? If so , what have been your findings ... Well no, there is hardly any Wi-Fi 6E available nowadays. Enterprise networking vendors like Aruba / Ruijie Netw...

anuser

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome! Wenn I get 500 MBit/s to 700 MBit/s of TCP download throughput when 50 to 60 clients are concurrently connected and downloading on one single MikroTik 802.11ax access point, I might call ...

anuser

I would like to request a separate wifiwave2 package for IPQ4018/IPQ4019 devices with 16MB of ROM. With such a package a lot of more users could test this it, send feedbacks and bug reports which will result in an earlier available bugfree stable release.

anuser

For those who are complaining [...] Great, what lucky guy you are! About 1 year after MikroTik started selling the Audience they showed you grace and offer you a development firmware with first official chipset vendors binary firmware files with 802.11v and 802.11w! I can´t believe how lucky your a...

anuser

Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?

Well, with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code. So, this problem should be solved in the future.

anuser

Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.

anuser

Intel AX200 connected at 1.2Gbit/s at Aruba AP-555 with 80 MHz channel == stable 800 Mbit/s up and down while copy a big file to and from a SMB file server.

anuser

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell. We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some m...

anuser

Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.

anuser

I wouldn't buy the new wAP AC nowadays as it has only 128MB of RAM and will therefor not work with new WifiWave2 driver of RouterOS V7, neither would I buy the NetMetal ac2 as it has only 16MB of storage, i.e. the current WifiWave2 driver package is too big to install it on the access point.

anuser

Here's the screen shot that matters...

I was refering to this one

So there is IPQ6018, IPQ8074, IPQ8074v2. MikroTik is not the only vendor developing access points but does not sell 802.11ax access points nowadays, btw.

anuser

6 years behind?
No references at all to WiFi 6?
Yeah... It's called RouterOS!

Well, no. The new wireless package contains firmware and drivers for multiple 802.11ax chipsets. Take a look at the screenshots above.

anuser

I'm using MT's for past 7 years. VPNs, OSPF, IKEv2, NV2, etc. So much in a box for $40? And a human console? MT is my choice.
[...]

Mikrotik´s RouterOS is like a Swiss knife. So many different tools.
Of course I can use it to saw a tree. But in most cases it will be better to just use a chainsaw.

anuser

Thinkpad T480s with Windows 10 and Intel Dual Band 8265 (2x2 AC): Lower throughput with cAP ac running v6.48 either 2.4 or 5.0GHz => Back to v6.46.8.

anuser

I´m missing Wi-Fi 6E chipsets within the new V7 wireless package. With those new drivers coming from the chipset vendors themselves MikroTik could design one high end indoor access point for high density, aswell: - Qualcomm Networking Pro 1210 - 2.4 GHz: 4x4:4 - 5.0 GHz: 4x4:4 - 6.0 GHz: 4x4:4 - pow...

anuser

Beware, Ubiquiti´s Unifi 6 Lite and Unifi 6 Long Range access point support 802.11ax with 5 GHz, only. With 2.4 GHz it is only 802.11n because Ubiquiti uses an older chipset for this part. MikroTik doesn´t sell 802.11ax access points nowadays, but according to the current beta wireless package Mikro...

anuser

]
When can we expect the next release of v7.1?

v7.1beta4,,,

anuser

One of my favourite MikroTik devices is RB750gr3. It uses MediaTek MT7621A chipset. I have never had any issues with them as long as I can remember. The chipset is fast and everything runs stable.The cAP ac with its IPQ40xx chip is another story, though... Why aren´t MediaTek wireless chipsets used ...

anuser

With OpenWRT on wAP AC (original), I get ~ 350mbps single client TCP throughput at MCS-9, 2x2, 80 MHz, WPA3.

Which release do you use? Stable or snapshot? ar71xx or ath79 driver?

anuser

~500 Mbps download with 2x2 client very close to Chateau (no wifiwave2 for Chateau - not expensive enough I guess).

Thank you for the results.

anuser

feature request:
sync new users from Microsoft Active Directory or other standard LDAP protocols.(can add users with special profile if they belong to a user group in AD)

Is synchronization with Active Directory supported nowadays?

anuser

I got in the 300s 4 feet away at the office since moving to 6.48.

Still 200M off the mark once you flip manufactures.

Do you have the possibility to do some iperf3 tests?

anuser

Lower the TX power for 2.4GHz, i.e. set higher antenne gain.

anuser

anuser

For full inexpensive IS-IS support, take a look at H3C or Huawei switches.

anuser

I use ZyXel GS1900-10HP switches for running up to 8x cAP AC without any problems. According to my monitoring the cAP AC devices never consumed more than 7W.

anuser

The only real indication that there is unused potential on the hap ac² with RouterOS is the fact that single stream TCP iperf for iphone7(2x2)->hap_ac²->PC on close range is able to hit 470 Mbps, while the other direction cannot exceed 400 Mbps. 470 Mbit/s download at 2x2:2 MIMO with 80MHz @5GHz on...

anuser

Yeah TP-Link's Wifi 6 access points are released too and they are a beast.

So, what iperf throughput do you get with 2x2:2 MIMO Up and down with 20, 40 and 80 MHz channels for 2.4 and 5.0 GHz? What access point are you refering to? TP-Link EAP620 or EAP660HD?

anuser

On OpenWrt it's supported xD According to https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WifiWave2 with WifiWave2 Mikrotik´s access points reach "400Mb/s maximum data rate in the 2.4GHz band for IPQ4019 interfaces". What about OpenWrt? What throughput do you get with 2.4GHz or 5.0Ghz with 20,...

anuser

you are telling me that every 4sq meters I would need to install an AP... it is not a funny joke :) No, it's not a joke. Take a look at those pictures: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&biw=396&bih=719&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=high+density+lecture+hall+wlan&oq=high+den...

anuser

mANTBox would also be that bad?

Look at it from another perspective. If you look at MikroTik´s homepage: Do you find any sentences like: "Our access points support up to xxx clients per access point?" or "Our access points are perfect for your high density areas?" => No...

anuser

MikroTik´s IEEE 802.11ac access points are not meant to be used in high density situations. This situation may or may not change if MikroTik has a new stable wireless drivers some day. What is your budget for your project? (Personally I use Aruba AP-535, AP-555 indoor for class rooms and lecture hal...

anuser

Wave2 requires FAR more resources ... ACTIVE Memory Resources [RAM in simple terms] ... Wave 2 cannot be supported on MEMORY deprived devices PERIOD. If you are hoping and praying that its possible you are dreaming in vivid color. :-) Well, it´s about having a wireless package for testing, only. Le...

anuser

But can you share WHEN?

SInce 02/2019: https://blog.mikrotik.com/announcements ... graph.html ;-)

anuser

You're welcome, can you please check if 802.11k/v/r is available on v7.1b3?

Just tested on RB4011. (I cannot find any option for enabling or disabling those parameters at all). 802.11v and 802.11w is enabled with WPA2 PSK. I haven´t tried WPA2 Enterprise, yet.

anuser

Intel 6200AGN Supports 2x2 MIMO and your HP 8540W has two antennas for WiFi.
Go to support.intel.com and download the latest drivers die your Wireless Card and Update your MikroTik to the latest long term RouterOS release

anuser

* MikroTik released a new wireless driver package lately: RouterOS version 7.1beta3 has been released in public "development" channel! !) added new experimental wireless package "wifiwave2" for ARM devices with more than 256 MB of RAM (CLI only); * Regarding the RAM requirement, ...

anuser

Is there a seamless roaming supported by any chance?

802.11r/v/k

No, it is not supported.

anuser

I don't thinks that's the case, it's merely a space issue. I would happily pay for an upgrade license too, if it were the case.

I don´t know about the modules folders, but most of those chipset folders could be abandoned I think:

anuser

!) added new experimental wireless package "wifiwave2" for ARM devices with more than 256 MB of RAM (CLI only); I do have a thesis about why MiikroTik doesn´t release those new driver for existing low cost IPQ40xx access points. It´s not about ROM or RAM size, it´s about license costs The...

anuser

RouterOS version 7.1beta3 has been released in public "development" channel! !) added new experimental wireless package "wifiwave2" for ARM devices with more than 256 MB of RAM (CLI only); Can you please provide a kind of "wifiwave2-lite" package for cAP ac, hAP ac2,, ...

anuser

!) added new experimental wireless package "wifiwave2" for ARM devices with more than 256 MB of RAM (CLI only); If you unpack the new wireless package you´ll see that there are many components which do not all belong to IPQ40xx chipset, so 16MB of ROM should be sufficient some day when th...

anuser

!) added new experimental wireless package "wifiwave2" for ARM devices with more than 256 MB of RAM (CLI only);

Please consider to make the new package compatible to current IPQ4018/IPQ4019 access points with 128MB RAM, e.g. cAP ac, hAP ac2, aswell.

anuser

SXT and virtually all MikroTik antennas except parabolics are patch antennas, which are the cheapest and craziest antenna design. I recently seen some advertisement of a vendor saying that its new access point has beamforming inbuilt. Looking at those antennas, I actually cannot see anything specia...

anuser

.
Maybe they should make alternative wireless packages (has happened before)

That would be the correct way. Take the wireless drivers from the linux kernel and put them into a second wireless packages. Afterwards change MikroTik ROS functionality to use it, not the other way round.

anuser

https://www.tp-link.com/en/business-networking/ceiling-mount-ap/eap245/v3/ [...] https://www.tp-link.com/en/business-networking/omada-sdn-access-point/eap265-hd/ is the new high density one. EAP245v3 == EAP265v1 (source: https://community.tp-link.com/en/business/forum/topic/215978) According to TP-...

anuser

new wAP ac? -> Well, it looks like you took the board layout from the cAP ac with an IPQ40xx chipset and 128 MB of RAM and put it into an modified wAP ac case. wAP ac 1. generation has 3x3:3 MIMO support, i.e. AC1750 (upgraded) wAP ac 2. generation has 2x2:2 MIMO support, i.e. AC1200 So, as it can b...

anuser

That´s new for me (MikroTik cAP ac). Any ideas? 16:12:20 wireless,debug wlan3: denying assoc to E0:D0:83:00:F3:53, does not support all basic rates 16:12:27 wireless,debug wlan3: denying assoc to E0:D0:83:00:F3:53, does not support all basic rates 16:20:11 wireless,debug wlan3: denying assoc to E0:D...

anuser

RouterOS version 6.47.6 has been released in public "stable" channel!
*) cap - fixed L2MTU path discovery;
*) wireless - fixed incorrect wireless capability information in association response frames;

interesting bug fixes for our wireless clients

anuser

nearly off topic :) Did you watch yesterdays Apple presentation? LTE and 5G is the future there :)

Yes of course. I´m looking for the latest iPhone 12 which of course supports IEEE 802.11ax and MU-MIMO ;-)

anuser

They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.

Have you noticed any difference with RouterOS v7.1.x?

anuser

anuser

+1 for fq_codel or cake + 1 Airtime Queue Limits (AQL) for IEEE 802.11 https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/make-wifi-fast/wiki/ : This project focuses on reducing latency throughout the wifi stack, firmware, and hardware. Ending the Anomaly: Achieving Low Latency and Airtime Fairness in WiFi: http...

anuser

When can we expect the next v7 beta release?

anuser

I would just buy an RB450Gx4 for routing and consumer-grade APs for Wi-Fi instead. Currently using a TP-Link Archer A10 for AP, getting 400Mbps wireless bandwidth performance without a hitch on the 5GHz band, 100Mbps straight on the 2.4GHz band. I get those speeds on hap ac2 and cap ac. Agree on ro...

anuser

Could you share the store name/web? I could not find anywhere, also not at eurodk as well.

https://shop.allnet.de => 14/10/2020

anuser

-1 as older clients won't connect
Provide airtime fairness Feature instead as it will improve overall performance.

anuser

I have had the hAP AC, hAP AC2, cAP AC, wAP AC, RB 4011, and the Audience in the same spot. I load up the network with a minimum of 25 clients on that one wAP and start a video stream on my Roku before testing. Then I take the average. Have you also done the tests with RouterOS v7.1beta2 and compar...

anuser

Need to see if there is WiFi problem resolved with hAP AC3. There was a big issues caused by ARM optimizations. Still not working as should be... Two years ago, and still not perfect software for ARM based devices.

Details, please.

anuser

Hello, I did: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=153735&p=760146&hil ... un#p760146

anuser

PD: I know I can just enjoy my OpenWRT powered ac2 and leave this forum but advanced routing features (like VLANs) are more polished on ROS.

We really need to get hAP ac2 into official OpenWrt branch...

anuser

According to the dev who helped to port OpenWRT (Robimarko) to the hAP ac2 and other IPQ4018 Mikrotik products they're using QCA drivers but their AP implementation it's not standard compliant and lacks the wave 2 feature set One posting later it says: It´s hard to believe, but MikroTik really writ...

anuser

But the rate at which the beacons are sent changes from 6Mbps to 1 Mbps, even with mode "n-only" Try setting 1. the basic rate to 12 Mbit/s 2. mode g/n. 3. disable all b rates (supported+basic) 5. activate all supported rates >= 12 Mbit/s Let´s see what beacon information you get afterwar...

anuser

The moral of the story is that if MT hires bpwl now!!!, ubiquiti will go out of business and Normis will be able to keep his partner!! MikroTik is hiring: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=lv&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdarbs.mikrotik.com%2Fdarbs%2F : There is still hope: C / C ...

anuser

E.g. On a wAP ac with RouterOS 6.47.2 on 5 GHz (80MHz, 5180) and a Windows 10 laptop with Intel AX200 which is right next to the wAP ac (<20 cm) and is connected at 866 Mbit/s, the maximum download is 287 Mbit/s and maximum upload is 171 Mbit/s. Those are the maximum values I get with iPerf3 after ...

anuser

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/wifi4eu-stories-interview-head-it-jurmala-latvia 15000€ for 11 locations and 11 hotspots. Does anyonek now which access point they bought in Jūrmala? "EUR 15,000 voucher" "The WiFi4EU network was launched in June 2020 and a map of th...

anuser

@santyx32 Have you done some iperf benchmarks with openwrt on your hAP ac2? E.g. 5 GHz, 5180@80MHz, clear spectrum - with one single client connected with link rate of 866MHz - with one old client e.g. 802.11a/g connected at a lower rate and one 802.11ac client connected at maximum rate; one test wi...

anuser

RouterOS v6.46beta59 has fixes for wireless. Do they fix your performance problems with hap ac2?
(Not with CAPSMAN, this is full of bugs)
Which Bugs exactly in caps-man?

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=153735&p=760146&hil ... an#p760146

anuser

Does MK have so many problems when used in big scale? Your experience?

It depends what you need. Which products would you like to buy?
- Layer 2 switches
- Layer 3 switches
- Point-to-Point wifi
- access points for e.g. school classes or libraries
- firewalls
- ...?

anuser

Bufferbloat and Beyond Removing Performance Barriers in Real-World Networks Author Toke Høiland-Jørgensen Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09i48X2_ex0 Slides: https://blog.tohojo.dk/slides/bornhack2019-bufferbloat-beyond.pdf Doctoral thesis: https://blog.tohojo.dk/media/bufferbloat-and-beyond...

anuser

OpenWRT is compatible with a decent number of Mikrotik products, for wireless I've been OpenWRT on a wAP AC and it runs quite well, 802.11k/r support works but 802.11w goes through software and cripples throughput to about 20mbps. Has this been improved in current OpenWrt? Does hardware acceleratio...

anuser

Got WPA3 personal working

Thanks for the built. Is there also WPA3 Enterprise available?

P.S. It would be great to get hAP ac2 into official OpenWrt repository

anuser

There is no need to question the possibility of doing L3 routing on a switch, there have been competing switches from other companies that do wirespeed routing for a long time. 3Com 4800G switch from 2009 is my bread and butter switch: IS-IS, BGP, OSPF, VRF; PIM-SSM all running with full IPv4 and I...

anuser

Any update in wireless?
Still waiting for something?

We are waiting for the usual stuff:
1. airtime fairness improvvements (http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/real_results/, https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the ... vely/59002)
2. MU-MIMO
3. 802.11 k/v/r
...

anuser

This firmware will also be ported to the cAP ac when the devs figure out a way to boot OpenWRT without a stripped down copy of U-Boot.

A recent openWRT built for hAP ac2 seems to work on cAP ac, too

anuser

I'm hoping to do some performance testing with OpenWRT on a wAP AC soon.

I´d be interested in benchmark results, aswell.

anuser

Feature request for Atheros wireless: Airtime-based Queue Limit (AQL) source / developers: https://lwn.net/Articles/802110/ - I built openwrt head last night when the final patches for AQL and the ath10k-ct landed. Oh! what a difference in bufferbloat-related performance! Where, on this purposely te...

anuser

Updated HAP AC lite, great wireless performance. Hope for fast progress!

Well, let´s post some iperf3 results comparing ROS6 and thise ROS7 firmware, please.

anuser

Upgrading wAP ac devices from 6.47.1 to v7.1beta1 results in dead devices. Had to netinstall them with to make them working running again with ROS 6.

anuser

I'm currently using OpenWRT on my AC2 with ath10k ct smallbuffers driver, much better coverage than ROS (higher TX power I guess) and MU-MIMO is also enabled. The port still needs some additional work till it gets into mainline branch https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/3037 but it's more promi...

anuser

You nor anyone else will be able to get more out of those Wifi system, you would only be able to reduce performance actually... There is a nice feature which is called "airtime fairness" which actually helps a lot and is used by a lot of vendors, not only the big ones Why do we need Airti...

anuser

Hello, after updating RouterOS, I can update the firmware, too. Well, the wireless drivers are programmed by MikroTik. What about the firmware files? Where do they come from? Does MikroTik use SDK binaries from the vendor, e.g. from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firm...

anuser

After updating from /system packages on a cap ac: "can not install system-7.1beta1: it is not made for arm, but for i386" https://i.ibb.co/5MJv2NG/capac.png Link from https://download.mikrotik.com/routeros/7.1beta1/routeros-7.1beta1-arm.npk works. After update cAP ac complains about wrong ...

anuser

*) wireless -[...]

Comparing v7 with v6 are there any improvements or enhancements with regerads to wireless?

anuser

Look at Cambium, Software is included , all needs are supported ....

The prices for Cambium´s access points are still higher than Aruba´s:
- Cambium XV3-8: ~1000$
- Cambium XV2-2: ~350$
- Cambium E600: ~330$

I can get the AP-555, AP-505H or AIP-315 for less.

anuser

I started replacing MikroTik cAP ac access points with Aruba Instant IAP-5xx and IAP-3xx in our most important buildings step by step because of lacking: - Airtime Fairness - 802.11k/r/v - MU-MIMO - unstable CAPSMAN forwarding Aruba´s pricing on its management software is ridiculous overpriced, so I...

anuser

Running 2 access points on one cable sounds great, so I tried it and had strange behaviors of 2nd cAP, i.e. lost bridge configuration with ports. This happened, though. So I suggest not to use it.

anuser

*) wireless - fixed wireless performance for 802.11b/g/n and 802.11a/n interfaces on non-ARM architecture devices;

1. Will this be backported to RouterOS 6.x?
2. Only b/g/n and a/n, but not ac?

anuser

or to look for other similar products from other vendor.

What alternative product have you already looked for?

anuser

No to all your questions. Am I correct? @all

anuser

This behavior with the 2.4 radios was observed with wAP AC, cAP AC, and even the hAP AC2. The problem with MikroTik wireless is not the hardware, but its software. If MikroTik changed from its own written drivers and used the drivers from the Linux kernel itself i.e. mostly the drivers the vendors ...

anuser

Feature request for wireless: "airtime fairness": fair-accese / To allocate Airtime evenly across all the clients.

anuser

Feature request: "Airtime Fairness" for Wireless, because it helps a lot when there is a huge number of clients is connected to one SSID and one is able to slow down the rest (Take a look at https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-features/33219-introduction-to-the-tr-398-wi-fi-p...

anuser

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145047&p=742089&hil ... mo#p741741

What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?
Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP
[...]

1 year later... So?

anuser

From viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145047&p=742089&hil ... mo#p741741

What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?
Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP

anuser

Hello, 1. FCC Opens 6 GHz Band to Wi-Fi and Other Unlicensed Uses: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-opens-6-ghz-band-wi-fi-and-other-unlicensed-uses 2. Qualcomm released tri-band SoCs, e.g.: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qualcomm-networking-pro-1210-platform 3. MikroTik has 6 GHz access points f...

anuser

06/2020: Still no MU-MIMO...

anuser

@ursy Could you please post your working configuration for your scenario?

anuser

That was exactly my idea. Shouldn´t curent access points (cAP ac, hAP ac²) be able to to utlize at least some of the 6 GHz channels with their current 5 GHz antenna, aswell? So, using (at least some not all) 6 GHz channels right away after running a software update should be possible? @Normis, perha...

anuser

Do you have more information about that Annapurna AL32400? E.g. how many cores? It has four cores. See here for details of CCR2004: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs Only 4 cores for such a huge amount of SFP+/SFP28 interfaces... Is there any other way more powerful version on the roa...

anuser

Do you have more information about that Annapurna AL32400?

anuser

Does it worked for you?
I tried your solution using the same bridge horizons value on different CAPs but clients just connect once at a time. If I have a client connected on AP1 another client on AP2 is unable to connect.

Did you had the same problem?

No, I haven't had those problems so far.

anuser

Has this been implemented yet?

No

anuser

There are tons of routers available with 802.11AX already but nearly no client devices. From what I remember at the time of release 802.11AC, there were a bunch of adapters released along with the routers. Without MU-MIMO and especially OFDMA (which MikroTik) doesn't support, an 802.11ax adapter do...

anuser

Ahh your probably looking at the US Site but since you haven't provided a link and I cant find it on amazon.com at that price ???????????????????

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07TQKSQKH/
On amazon.ca the GWN7630 is not sold by Amazon itself, but by a third party seller who doubles the price.

anuser

Nice unit anuser but at more than double the price of the TP Link I noted, its too much $$.

On Amazon.com:
TP-Link EAP225: 89$
GWN7630: 89$

anuser

Hi, Today I have Meraki AC33 device got it free from my workplace. Its nice and reliable, but not enough to cover my 150m2 house. So I was thinking adding another MikroTik AP (Initially taought about UniFi but that's over :P) I saw there are two options: 1. wAP AC 2. cAP AC I like the cAP AC 2 port...

anuser

Version 6.47beta54 has been released. [...] What's new in 6.47beta54 (2020-Apr-06 06:32): [...] Changes in this release: *) wireless - improved 5GHz interface stability on RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD and Audience; *) wireless - improved system stability on hAP ac^2;. You haven´t already integrated MU-MIMO ...

anuser

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/annapurna_labs released a 64 core ARM cpu called Graviton2. Finally a successor for the inbuilt cpu of the RB4011. I'm still dreaming of a new 10/25 GbE router.

anuser

With my cAP ac (same chipset as hap ac2), I had to downgrad to 6.44.6 from 6.46.x in order to have normal wifi connections with my clients again.

anuser

MikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO

anuser

Hopefully v6.45.8 hasn´t inherited wireless problems from v6.46.x...?

anuser

Reinis is not a developer

1. normis isn´t a developer, either.
2. So let´s ask nOoNe about the status of MU-MIMO implementation.

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