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Any news in 60GHz?

Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:21 pm

Any chance to get 15 stations per AP and channel 6 for longer range soon? Or better abandon all hope and go with the "U" company who seem to already have a shipping product that can do it? Still have many MT 60GHz devices installed, and would prefer to keep using MT, but their limitations (if not removed soon) will force me to change, otherwire I will keep losing customers to big telecoms with fiber. What happened to Terragraph? The future looked so beautiful in 2019 - https://blog.mikrotik.com/announcements ... graph.html
 
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:27 pm

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And after 3 years
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:33 am

+ 1

And after 3 years
where did normis post that?
 
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:52 am

Vendors are competing for your business. Lots of people get hung up on only using one vendor/manufacturer because of "reasons." But, as a provider, it's up to you to find and use the best tool for your business and customers, and if a vendor isn't making that tool, they're not holding you up--you are.

A third of my network is MikroTik 60GHz. Another third (and gaining) is UI, with some Tachyon. The rest is LTU and AirMax (5 GHz), slowly being replaced with Wave.

Peraso-based radios outperform the Qualcomm radios hands down. Peraso gives you 32, whereas Qualcomm gives you 8. With Ubiquiti now supporting 24 CPE in 30 and 90 degrees and Tachyon supporting 32 in 40 and 120 degrees, you can theoretically put up 96-288 subs in a 360° radius, ranging from 600m to 8km. Cheaper and faster than fiber, with effectively the same results.

So go buy some of the Peraso stuff, deploy it, and start printing money. Your customers will love you for it. With that money, you'll be able to buy the new MikroTik hotness if/when it comes out.

(RouterOS 7 hooked up to Peraso radios would be sweet. @normis I'd love to be a part of that design/test process... hint hint.)
 
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:52 am

I already have too many different radio systems from different vendors. Each one playing their own vendor lock-in games, instead of all agreeing on standard over-the-air protocols and common GPS sync timings (to reduce co-location interference). UBNT M5 (802.11n 5GHz), MT 802.11ac and 802.11ad, Mimosa A5 (was advertised to work up to 6200MHz, turned out to lose range quickly above 6000 - channel can be set, but antennas have little gain at high frequencies, as confirmed by their support), Cambium ePMP1000 (5.9-6.4GHz licensed band), not to mention some PtP licensed microwave links in 42GHz and 75/85GHz. APs at my central location are one thing, stations on customers roofs are another - much more costly to replace when moving between different systems, it wouldn't be necessary if (say) LHG60 station could connect to UI Wave AP (in theory it's the same 802.11ad/ay in 60GHz, but vendors like to play their own tricks to make things more difficult).
 
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:00 pm

where did normis post that?
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:35 pm

Entire Mikrotik WISP segment is "dead man walking" at this point. There have been no new devices announced for years and now with new wifi driver that's 100% consumer oriented and can't even do basic WDS, it's all just legacy products. And 60GHz is included in the "legacy" wifi package... Very sad to see things go this way. And Terragraph? That was just a joke for investors it seems...
 
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Re: Any news in 60GHz?

Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:19 pm

There are some traces of Terragraph in the CLI on the Cube60Pro, which also has built-in GPS that was intended for something...
Still unknown outside of MT (closely guarded secret inside) is the answer to this question - is it still being worked on, or just left over abandoned and they simply forgot to remove the traces.

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