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Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:43 am

I don't know if anyone else in the UK has noticed this but I recently purchased a HAP AX2 to use as an access point alongside my Chateau 5g which is running the new Wifi-qcom-ac drivers. I was looking at the country code regulations between the 2 devices and noticed channels missing from the Wifi-qcom-ac driver and incorrect transmit power levels for Wifi-qcom in the U-NII-3/4 bands.

Hap Ax2 Wifi-Qcom on ROS 7.15.1

[admin@MikroTik] > /interface/wifi/radio/reg-info
country="United Kingdom" number=0
ranges: 2402-2482/20
5170-5250/23/indoor
5250-5330/23/indoor/dfs
5490-5730/30/dfs
5735-5875/14

Chateau 5g Wifi-Qcom-AC on ROS 7.15.1

[admin@MikroTik] > /interface/wifi/radio/reg-info
country="United Kingdom" number=0
ranges: 2402-2482/20
5170-5250/23/indoor
5250-5330/23/indoor/dfs
5490-5710/30/dfs

5ghz Channel 144 (5720) is missing from Wifi-qcom-ac
The U-NII-3 / U-NII-3/4 bands 5735-5875 are completely missing from Wifi-qcom-ac, but are available in the Wifi-qcom driver. Although in the WiFi-qcom driver the transmit power levels are totally wrong for these bands, it should look like this.

5735-5835/20 (200mw transmit power is allowed here)
5835-5875/14 (25mw transmit power here)

Any chance of adding the missing 5ghz channels to Wifi-qcom-ac and correcting the transmit power levels to comply with UK Regulations?
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:52 am

Are you sure that some of differences are not due to HW differences? I.e. are you sure that ac chip in Chateau supports the UNII-3/4 channels?
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:01 pm

Take a look at this post viewtopic.php?t=200330#p1029739
Yes the power levels are correct per device, this thread might shed a bit of light on why. Don't hold your breath that they will change anything.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:58 pm

Are you sure that some of differences are not due to HW differences? I.e. are you sure that ac chip in Chateau supports the UNII-3/4 channels?
The hardware is definitely capable in the AC devices.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:44 pm

Take a look at this post viewtopic.php?t=200330#p1029739
Yes the power levels are correct per device, this thread might shed a bit of light on why. Don't hold your breath that they will change anything.
Interesting read, so hopefully at some point this will get updated to be inline with the latest regulations for UK WiFi.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:09 pm

If it's any consolation, the US rules for U-NII-1 and U-NII-3 have allowed for more power for almost a decade, particularly in PTP outdoor mode on the upper end of the band. Yet all of the "designed for outdoor use" radios are arbitrarily limited to 30 or 36dBm for yet-to-be-explained reasons.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:01 pm

It doesn't make any sense though when Unifi and GLINet Wifi6 devices both transmit 200mw in the UK in those frequencies.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:10 pm

There have been so many posts on here about Mikrotik wireless that there must be something in it. Lost count of the number of "Used to have XYZ router/access point and since installing Mikrotik ABC I can't get Wi-Fi in such-and-such a room or using such-and-such device". Wrong power tables could be part of the reason.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:45 pm

Well it just makes you want to do this and strike a pose doesn't it ?

ranges:
2402-2482/20
5170-5330/24
5250-5330/24
5490-5730/24
5735-5835/30

Loosing that much power doesn't make any sense I agree when upgrading to ax anyway. But like I keep saying, the days of the wild west are gone man!
But 200mw as of what Ofcom says, apparently we are controlled by etsi, I thought we left Europe and all it's woes.... bwahahahahahaha hmmmm.
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:51 pm

Left EU but not ETSI. https://www.etsi.org/membership

How about BrexETSI?
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:17 pm

LOL - I'm sure Reform have stronger Wi-Fi powers in their manifesto.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:24 pm

No my next purchase will be a Flint 2
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:27 pm

https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt6000/

The product page is so awesome - it must be the best device ever built. Please keep us posted.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:31 pm

Do I detect sarcasm by any chance :lol:
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:11 pm

I was serious about the part with feedback. I am genuinely interested in whether the device delivers what it promises. And it promises a lot.
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:50 pm

You can install OpenWRT on many Routerboards, so definitely worth trying if you think it's "a software issue".
 
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:51 pm

Do I detect sarcasm by any chance :lol:
Just look at the sheer SIZE of those antenna! Size matters don't you know. I'm reminded of Elon Musk's electric truck. It just oozes power and ruggedness :-)

One has to agree though that the basic specs for the price look impressive. Two 2.5GHz WAN/LAN ports and USB 3. What would the Mikrotik option be? That said, in the UK, many homes are still served perfectly well by Wi-Fi 4...
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Re: Wifi-qcom / WiFi-qcom-ac inconsistent country code regulations for United Kingdom

Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:00 pm

Do I detect sarcasm by any chance :lol:
Just look at the sheer SIZE of those antenna! Size matters don't you know. I'm reminded of Elon Musk's electric truck. It just oozes power and ruggedness :-)

One has to agree though that the basic specs for the price look impressive. 2.5GHz LAN ports and USB 3. What would the Mikrotik option be? That said, in the UK, many homes are still served perfectly well by Wi-Fi 4...
Yeah it does 200mw 5745-5805 with standard UK settings as well. I'd be interested to see what power that new AP Gigabyte091 got outputs at as well.

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