Or use a band where there are more nonoverlapping channels.Even the best sector antennas in the world only have about 30db front to back ratio.... so if you put everything on the same channel, you are going to kill yourself once the sectors become loaded.
The best option is 3 x 120 degree sectors on channels 1, 6 and 11.
That's crazy talk. Of course they overlap.You'll use 90 degree antennas
so actual signal will go 90 degree way
so you won't have overlapping on your system.
Yes. Neighbor antennas and channels disturb each other.That's crazy talk. Of course they overlap.You'll use 90 degree antennas
so actual signal will go 90 degree way
so you won't have overlapping on your system.
These are radio waves you are talking about, not lasers.
Look at the radiation pattern in the spec sheet for the antennas.
i can't use channels 12&13 in my country. only channel 1 to 11Use channels 1,5,9,13, they don't interfere.
Use 1, 4, 7, 11.i can't use channels 12&13 in my country. only channel 1 to 11Use channels 1,5,9,13, they don't interfere.
distributed link option2?Use 1, 4, 7, 11.i can't use channels 12&13 in my country. only channel 1 to 11Use channels 1,5,9,13, they don't interfere.
@jwcn thx a lot, its seems to me u hav got a sound knowledge of wifi...do u hav any yahoo messenger ID ...i will be exteremly happy to learn under the shadow of masters like you..plzz drop me a offline messege at (faraz_innocent_heart) at yahoo messenger...If you are using fixed CPE always go with HPOL
Pacific Wireless usually makes good stuff.In response to the earlier talk about 180 deg sectors, I did find some low cost 180 sectors. They look interesting, basically they are an omni ant with a reflector. Anyone had any experience with these? I normally use 120 deg; but there has been a few smaller towers where this would come in handy.
http://www.wisp-router.com/wri/itemdesc ... 12&eq=&Tp=
Eric
Does it matter? Have you seen them anywhere?Where are you located?
Great! They are located within driving distance and I didn't even know they existed. Good prices too.
just an raised eyebrow:look this pics
Horrible product. The other sectors go deaf whenever one of them transmits, terrible isolation despite what they claim. Unless you are charged tower leasing costs per antenna, get 3 x 120s and spread them out, you'll do far better than this product. Wish I knew how bad it was before it ended up 180ft in the air...In response to the earlier talk about 180 deg sectors, I did find some low cost 180 sectors. They look interesting, basically they are an omni ant with a reflector. Anyone had any experience with these? I normally use 120 deg; but there has been a few smaller towers where this would come in handy.
http://www.wisp-router.com/wri/itemdesc ... 12&eq=&Tp=
Eric
I just make test with this setting with no lost db I guess the antenna has good insulationI plan to use 90 Array antennas with following setup:
Sector front CH 11
Sector back CH 11
Left CH 6
Right CH 6
TOP Omni backup antenna CH 1
Why not simply put them all on Channel 1 and WDS them together?
Create static WDS links between each interface and add them all to the same RTSP bridge.
Give all of the wireless interfaces the same ssid.
Basically your array will appear as one big antenna.
Why not simply put them all on Channel 1 and WDS them together?
Create static WDS links between each interface and add them all to the same RTSP bridge.
Give all of the wireless interfaces the same ssid.
Basically your array will appear as one big antenna.
What about users jumping from one sectorial antena to other ?Yes, I have tried this.
Most of the buildings I have antennas on have 3 antennas on them. All on the same channel (ch 13) and all wds'd together. Usually one is ap bridge and the other 2 are wds slaves.
No interference problems at all.
I have found wds very helpful with using a single frequency for an entire network.
Well I tested yesterday I just put all my AP with same SSID.
When users move around they always will connect to stronger signal.
When they switch to other AP will be a reconnection so it’s better if you have all AP on same network to avoid authentication problems.
Sorry my bad English...
If use use a WISP designed product, you can reuse channels as you want... This is completly doable with Motorola Canopy..Well the problem is we spend on 4 90 sector antennas. If they wont work why still sell those antennas GRR! any solution to me?
You are from PR?If use use a WISP designed product, you can reuse channels as you want... This is completly doable with Motorola Canopy..Well the problem is we spend on 4 90 sector antennas. If they wont work why still sell those antennas GRR! any solution to me?
ahora esquivo! jeje que viva el chimichurri!!! y los Cadillacs!!!
thanks for your replies...
i have already bought 4x90° antennas, 4 radios, 2 rb333, etc etc
i asked my provider and he told me 4x90° is better than 3x120°... maybe it's because he wanted to sell me that hardware jajaaaa. poor me...
now i have that hardware... what it the best choice for me now? look at my graph in the first post & tell me what would you do if you were me?
another question... but don't forget to answer the first one
why some sectoral antennas have inclinations (i don't know if this is the right work in english, i mean pointing to the floor)? look this pics
What about users jumping from one sectorial antena to other ?
can you avoid this ?
HI!Use 1,5,9,12,13.
You will see that 12 and 13 are spaced 12 mhz apart. Will help you a little, if you intend in keeping all of them.
What I don't get, is why you want the omni...... You should have proper coverage from the sector antennas, and if you need it as a separate interface.... create a vap on each card, with same SSID, and bridge them together in a single bridge, for addressing purposes. Or play with vlans, or something.....
You could do that, but it would be an awful idea ( the splitter). You will be lowering your signal, plus of that, you will be picking the noise from all the sector antennas, and your sector would be no better than an omni, or, better said, it would be worse, with the sole advantage of a "downtilt omni" . Plus of that, the price of a _good_ splitter for 1+3 channels is wayyyyyyy over 200 euros. Just not worth it.HI!
are you talking about use splitters , with one miniPci card ?
what if you want to have 3 panel 120° with 3 miniPci card, with same "ssid" ?
is possible ?
regards,
andres.
Thank you, I understand.Yes, I am talking about separate mini-pci cards, put in whatever you want ( RB, PC, anything), and configured exactly the same, includind SSID. The difference is that if you do not want your client to be able to connect to sector 3, for example, you put a access list rule for the respective card, with DENY as action, and ACCEPT rules for the other 2 cards, for him to be able to connect to them.
Si senor!You are from PR?If use use a WISP designed product, you can reuse channels as you want... This is completly doable with Motorola Canopy..Well the problem is we spend on 4 90 sector antennas. If they wont work why still sell those antennas GRR! any solution to me?
ahora esquivo! jeje que viva el chimichurri!!! y los Cadillacs!!!
Absolutely different channels.Thank you, I understand.Yes, I am talking about separate mini-pci cards, put in whatever you want ( RB, PC, anything), and configured exactly the same, includind SSID. The difference is that if you do not want your client to be able to connect to sector 3, for example, you put a access list rule for the respective card, with DENY as action, and ACCEPT rules for the other 2 cards, for him to be able to connect to them.
How ever, if you setup each mini-pci-cards with same SSID, and same Channel ?
or you mean same SSID and different channels ?
what about interferences with same channel?
thank you.
Yes, I have tried this.
Most of the buildings I have antennas on have 3 antennas on them. All on the same channel (ch 13) and all wds'd together. Usually one is ap bridge and the other 2 are wds slaves.
No interference problems at all.
I have found wds very helpful with using a single frequency for an entire network.
25 Users per Antenna gives good results. 40 Users is working.Hi,
every here i need some help i have been installing Mikrotik AP with RB's and omni antenna but i have been ask to make a design that will be able to carry traffic for 600 to 700 current users, should i use sector antenna with RB 433 and what wireless card will be able to carry at least 200 to 250 user. please i will be great full if i could get some help thanks.
Use Search Funktion. Read a Lot before planning.Thanks for your responds which one is nv2? please
Why not simply put them all on Channel 1 and WDS them together?
Create static WDS links between each interface and add them all to the same RTSP bridge.
Give all of the wireless interfaces the same ssid.
Basically your array will appear as one big antenna.
good infoSee this picture for tilt angle adjustment.
-muhti.
Yea they could interfere it all depend how how wide apart u set the Channels,I would like to know if this hypothetical wifi setup can have complications.
I have been trying to solve a problem with cheap implementation of wifi into a building. Everything I have read led me to conclusion that the best way to have wifi in a building is to have an antenna/s dozen meters away from the building because the signal will propagate through the windows instead walls.
Next I thought that the best place for antenna is the building next to the building that shall receive the wifi. But what if the two buildings have antennas pointed at each other? Hence the antenna at the opposite building will secure the signal for the other one, and vice a versa.
Shall the antennas interfere each other even if set on different channels?
10x for any suggestions.
Antennas will be set at each building side pointing at each other with a distance between them around 100 meters. I suppose I will set the channels at 1 and 11, or 2 and 10, something like it. What do you mean with point of interference?Yea they could interfere it all depend how how wide apart u set the Channels,
Pls also take note that if the signal are not to strong at the point of interference i would not have much effect on your network.
There are situations in which vpol has definite advantages over hpol (e.g., firing a signal down a city street), and vice-versa (e.g., over water). But as long as the only factor is congestion from consumer-grade equipment, then this is reasonable advice.If you are using fixed CPE always go with HPOL
I dont understand what does it mean " They will just have to be rotated 90 degrees ". Do i need to rotate the client CPE to work with horizontal Polarisation ?You can use the same antennas on the client side. They will just have to be rotated 90 degrees.
The antenna needs to be rotated 90*. Antenna polarization refers to the plane of the electrical component of the EM wave, which is a function of the antenna design.I dont understand what does it mean " They will just have to be rotated 90 degrees ". Do i need to rotate the client CPE to work with horizontal Polarisation ?You can use the same antennas on the client side. They will just have to be rotated 90 degrees.
The antenna needs to be rotated 90*. Antenna polarization refers to the plane of the electrical component of the EM wave, which is a function of the antenna design
Short of examining their antennas, you could run a scan on your AP with the antenna oriented in first vertical and then horizontal polarization, and compare the signal strengths. But the underlying question should be, which orientation, frequency etc. gives your links the best S/N ratio? Looking at the EM environment can narrow down the search, but this is something you will need to determine empirically.Is there anyway to check the polarisation of Other AP's running in our area....suppose they are on verticle...so its better for me to use horizontal. Our base station is in Delhi there are lots of interference about 200 AP's found in the survery....The tower height is 120 feet long...and there are 50 - 60 feet houses surrounded by the tower...please suggest me which polarity is better horizontol or vertical.
check your other post! http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 71#p273871hello guys plz help me out
i m using 2 sector antennas 180 degree each with ubnt bullet m2hp.
one is on channel 9 and 2nd is on channel 11 on 2.4ghz 20mhz.
but i notice they are interfering each other and getting low coverage range.
one antenna signal also comes to others antennas side in 300 to 400 meters.
suggest me best channels to use which dont interfare and extend range.