The RB333 is now EOL, it's replacement is the RB433.
It look like the 433 is the same layout as the 333.

Surely not, the RB333 has only been out a few months!

They say the RB433 is just as fast for a lot less money so why have the RB333 if it's not really any faster.

It looks like the RB333 is EOL. It has been removed from the Mikrotik price list. I saw no announcement. Is RouterBOARD a business or a hobby? The product page still shows the EOL equipment as "new". None of the new equipment is listed. ??

I just bought a RB333 thinking it was "new equipment". Stupid me.

resellers have all this information. mikrotik is a manufacturer, not a store. your reseller should inform you about new and upcoming products.

My apology for sounding insulting, normis. It is just some of this is unnerving. This is my business, and I have decided to make MikroTik part of it. I spent thousands on RouterBOARD products in the last few months and now all are EOL.

I meant nothing towards the MikroTik Team. The OS is splendid, or I would not have stayed around this long. I am now aware this is a OS technical forum. I will try to limit my posts and responses to that.

I was confused by the topic "RouterOS on RouterBOARD". My bad.

RouterOS and RouterBoard are both Mikrotik.
I don't see what the problem is. The 433 is just as fast but at a lower price. What's to not like?
The only problem I have is that they didn't make it smaller so we could use the Pacwireless DCE enclosure and the mpci slots are to close to fit 3 XR cards in them.

Does Anyone know if the 433 will monitor it's voltage like the rb333? This saves us hundreds of dollars on off grid installations...

One of the previous posts raised a question... I was sort of imagining the RB433 being about the same size at the 133. Is it in fact the same size as the 333? I hope its not laid out like the 333, its my least favorite so far of all the designs.

Also a quick question if I can slide it in here... With only one wireless interface and one ethernet interface what was the motivating reason to create the 411a with more memory. I have 411 running hotspot / dhcp etc and there is memory to spare. I'm just curious - I do like it because it comes with l4 license so it saves money than upgrading 411 any way.

Scott

Unfortunately the RB433 is the exact same layout as the RB333.. Same Mini-PCI problem with XR cards. Won't fit in ARC IES enclosure's at all, or PAC DCE-7x6x2's with more than 2 cards.. Really disappointing since the RB411 was so small.. I would really love to see a RB412 or RB413 with the same form factor as the RB133.. Most of my customers don't use the extra ethernets and only need the extra minipci slots..

-Gerard

Yeah, one ethernet and two minipci would handle most of what I need.

Maybe the key is to get pac wireless to make a DCE 10x6x2

Maybe the key is to get pac wireless to make a DCE 10x6x2

I like that idea. It sure would be handy for a lot more than just having a better sized board, although I agree the 333 design/size was retarded to begin with and it is sad to see them keep it for the 433.

RouterBoard 433 is faster then RouterBoard 333?

RB333 is a good product, why You EOL it?

it's about the same performance, but the price is 2x less

Normis,
Again I ask does the 433 have the voltage available like the 333?

Thank you

current revision doesn't, but we will include it in the next hardware revision

I think it is good for the users that MT came up with a new product with similar performance for half the price. The only concern I have for my RB333's is that they will no longer be supported in future version of RoS. And even if it is, my guess is that bug-fixing for the 333's will be of low priority to the MT team.

I think the RB433 is a great idea. Too bad you can't get one. I have three new sites I need new equipment for NOW!! Not next week. And NOW my choice is:
EOL equipment (not recommended for new installs)
or
the RB600, the new entry-level non-EOL access point.

EDIT: This would not matter much at all to me if this was a hobby. I spent half the day yesterday trying to hunt one of these down, only to find they will not be available for a "week or two". Then I spent the rest of the day "sucking up" to my new customers so they won't go with my competition from Atlanta.

I think it is good for the users that MT came up with a new product with similar performance for half the price. The only concern I have for my RB333's is that they will no longer be supported in future version of RoS. And even if it is, my guess is that bug-fixing for the 333's will be of low priority to the MT team.

Thats stupid what you are saying. Bug fixes are for routerOS not for Routerboards.

I think it is good for the users that MT came up with a new product with similar performance for half the price. The only concern I have for my RB333's is that they will no longer be supported in future version of RoS. And even if it is, my guess is that bug-fixing for the 333's will be of low priority to the MT team.

Thats stupid what you are saying. Bug fixes are for routerOS not for Routerboards.

"That's stupid"? Read the changelogs before you post! Board specific bug fixes all over the place.

less than 5 %.since v.3.4 there was none

What about winston's DCMA-82?
411 does have a big problem with these, I'm in a bit worry, that 433 won't support these cards.

adam

I feel better now. I just put in my order for a new RB433 through my supplier. I don't know if they are in stock yet, but good to see the new product line available.

I can use the now-infamous excuse with my new customers:
"It is on order."

EDIT: ghmorris sums it up very well in the next post. He is more eloquent and less offensive than my post.

resellers have all this information. mikrotik is a manufacturer, not a store. your reseller should inform you about new and upcoming products.

Its probably worth pointing out that a reseller (actually a distributor in this case) sitting on almost 400 RB333s is not particularly motivated to tell their customers that a product is about to be EOL.

That is exactly what just happened.

We are now left with a situation where we have six 333s sitting on critical backbone connections that are effectively obsolete orphans. Same problem with 153s, by the time they were 'fixed' they were effectively obsolete.

Do you really think we would have done something that silly if MT had communicated a life cycle plan effectively to their customers?

I have sat through countless life cycle presentations from countless network manufacturers. It is a normal part of doing business and being professional rather than catering for the hobbiest.

I really think you should communicate this up the ranks Normis. Better, faster, cheaper is great and much appreciated, but not at the cost of jumping all over the place every few months.

MT hardware is now the LEAST expensive part of any deployment. Installing hardware on a 300 foot tower involves costs that are at least ten times the price of the basic hardware, and maintaining this equipment effectively over its life cycle is critically important.

So now I have to spend at least 6000 dollars getting rid of 1200 dollars of obsolete Routerboards that were only on the market for a few months.

The argument made in another thread about no 'bolt-in' replacement for 532s is also a good one. We have over 400 532s in service, many at great heights, and not having a replacement board with the same bolt pattern and general form factor is a huge pain in the backside.

Just a few carefully considered observations from one of your larger customers in Canada, hope you take them in the spirit they are offered.

George

Agreed, shifting the blame to the resellers are just plain unreasonable. Maybe MT can learn from dairy product manufacturer and put expiry date on its products.

I'd Mikrotik deal this way than Ubiquiti's approach and wait customers wait months because of component shortages...

normis,

the voltage monitor became essential to us. we have put up many sites with wind and solar power recently thanks to the availability of the RB333. me personally i find it a pretty bad and customer unfriendly move to EOL a product which has not a 100% equivalent or better. will there be an announcement as soon as the new hardware rev is there which has a voltage monitor ? will the voltage monitor work the same way with the same output via SNMP ? the recent hardware saga (RB600 trouble) is raising concern in our business. can someone in MT give an outlook into your plans for the future regarding hardware ?

where is the documentation for the RB433 ? what is the voltage range ? the frontpage of RB says 9-28V DC and the product page 12-28V DC. that tiny detail make a huge difference for people using wind or solar power.

regards
Jan

So now I have to spend at least 6000 dollars getting rid of 1200 dollars of obsolete Routerboards that were only on the market for a few months.
George

George, did I understand you correctly and you are going to remove all your RB333 devices?
I don't understand what's wrong with them? Just because we introduced a faster model doesn't mean the older one is no longer working or supported.

About the voltage monitor - that will be available on a routerboard that will be released very shortly (one or two weeks)

George, did I understand you correctly and you are going to remove all your RB333 devices?
I don't understand what's wrong with them? Just because we introduced a faster model doesn't mean the older one is no longer working or supported.

Hi Normis, yes, unfortunately we are going to change them out for probably 433s as soon as we are happy the 433s are stable.

Standardization is the problem. We would need to carry a couple of 333s in our service vehicles, just like we carry a couple of 150s, 112s, 133s, 532s etc. The links these six 333s are on are absolutely critical, in fact they have service level agreements on all of them and we have to be able to service them instantly if we have issues. Its not cost effective to take up space with 333s when we have so few in service, but we would have to because of the link locations. Catch 22!!

From our perspective, we try to pick fast hardware that is early in its release cycle, validate that it works properly, then gradually bring all critical network links up to that level. That way we have a large number of units that are easy to support. Its also worth learning all the little tricks peculiar to each type of Routerboard and everyone is happy.

Perfect example is the huge quantity of 532s we have out there. We know them well, know the strong points and weak spots and are very pleased with how they behave in our environment.

Unfortunately, that didn't work with the 333 product line as - with any new product fresh to the market - we had reboot problems with the first couple of pairs, then issues with disappearing wireless interfaces. Once they were stable, we have had excellent results and started deploying.

Then unfortunately you discontinued them, we are left with a small number of orphans that we can't support at the level we need to, and the cycle starts over again.

I understand why 333s are being replaced with 433s, but the process has been a bear for us. As of last night, one of your biggest distributors is saying:

Please note that the RB/411A, RB/433 and RB/450 are just recently announced and we do not currently have in stock. Purchase orders are into MikroTik but no eta at this time.

Once we get the 433s we have to go through the same acceptance test procedure that we did on the 333s, and that takes quite a bit of effort and a couple of months minimum.

So the bottom line is that a little better communication would help your customer base a great deal. We like MT, we buy tons of MT, and we just need to be able to plan how to spend our money more effectively so we don't get blind-sided like this again.

George

& as an example of what george was saying... Normis says in the entry above the "product to be released shortly" for the ability to look at voltage again. Ok so how about letting us know the projected specs on that product to see if it's going to fill the bill. Was there a problem with telling us the products in planning? That happened with the RB600 and the RB411 and it helped.

I can't talk about unreleased products.

All I can say is that it's going to be screaming fast, will fit the same cases, will have voltage monitor and a storage slot, and won't have 48V

Normis,

what about topic "bricked Rb433"? Why MT3.7 does NOT working on RB433. After upgrade to 3.7, routerboard does not start

Normis,

what about topic "bricked Rb433"? Why MT3.7 does NOT working on RB433. After upgrade to 3.7, routerboard does not start

Either install 3.6 or try the 3.8 version from here:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/netinstall-3.8.zip
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/router ... be-3.8.npk

try to Netinstall it. Netinstall should fix the issue. I will check if this is a repeatable issue

Yes, it's repeatable!
Netinstall 3.7 does NOT work with RB433. The only solution is using Netinstall3.6 and MT3.6 packages.

^^^

Either install 3.6 or try the 3.8 version from here:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/temp/n ... ll-3.8.zip
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/temp/r ... be-3.8.npk

Error 404: Not found

sorry, fixed.

any news about 3.8? changelog...etc

any news about 3.8? changelog...etc

Just wait for official 3.8 release.
Thanks Normis, i will test it

try to Netinstall it. Netinstall should fix the issue. I will check if this is a repeatable issue

Is repeatable. Funniest thing is this in the same box i found 433 with BIOS 2.12 (don't work with 3.7 even after upgrade bios) and 2.14 (work fine with 3.7 firmware)

I will wait for stable 3.8

George, did I understand you correctly and you are going to remove all your RB333 devices?
I don't understand what's wrong with them? Just because we introduced a faster model doesn't mean the older one is no longer working or supported.

Hi Normis, yes, unfortunately we are going to change them out for probably 433s as soon as we are happy the 433s are stable.

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I understand why 333s are being replaced with 433s, but the process has been a bear for us. As of last night, one of your biggest distributors is saying:

Please note that the RB/411A, RB/433 and RB/450 are just recently announced and we do not currently have in stock. Purchase orders are into MikroTik but no eta at this time.

Once we get the 433s we have to go through the same acceptance test procedure that we did on the 333s, and that takes quite a bit of effort and a couple of months minimum.

So the bottom line is that a little better communication would help your customer base a great deal. We like MT, we buy tons of MT, and we just need to be able to plan how to spend our money more effectively so we don't get blind-sided like this again.

George

George,

This is your second reference about your distributor not communicating the information that you need to make informed purchasing decisions. Perhaps it is time to shop for another distributor.

Tom

George,

This is your second reference about your distributor not communicating the information that you need to make informed purchasing decisions. Perhaps it is time to shop for another distributor.

Tom

Good idea. We are just entering peak build season and I am sitting on three urgent good-sized jobs that I need quotes for now, and then have to order the gear beginning of the week.

I see you have 411s with level 4 still, that will help us to get through. Any idea when your 450s are going to arrive?

What's your email Tom?

George

RB433 in stock. (Just cleared customs and out for delivery early Monday morning.) Both RB450 and RB433AH about 2 weeks behind.

I'll be in Chicago all next week for training, meetings and Chicago MUM. Some of our staff will be staying home to fill orders and ship product. We will also have some product with us at the show for sale and really cool T-Shirts.

tom [at] roc-noc.com.

Tom