Hi,

is the ROS able to use the BFWA area that are regulated in EU.

TPC and DFS, 4000 mW

i don't mean ATPC

greetz

npoe they are not conform with the ESTI regulation for BFWA...
wich is not only DFS and ATPC...actually you need DFS2 and on Both sides (AP and Client) ATPC but in different modes and things
such as radio shutdown and scan only mode .. none of this Funktions are working in ROS.
There are a few posts about this here i suggest to use the search funktion

edit: To be fair it must ben said that many well nown products are not abled to use the BFWA band allong the esti regulation
some of them state that they can but they can't (no joke) enable the upper Ghz band an switch on dfs have nothing to do with the
actual regulation.
IMHO it's more honest to say no we can't ore not yet (MT is doing so) than let poeple run stuff illegal.

DFS is supported from ROS but no TPC. or not ? The using of ROS in germany at 5 GHz area complete illegall with 27 dBi Tx power ?
max. TX limit is set to them in the regulation (500mW).
DFS2 ? what is that ? i found nothing about this, is it maybe the "backgroundscan at work" without the 24h/(60sec) disconnect?
Are in future plans to add these features?

or i must drop all my mikrotiks an switch to staros or lancom ?

if you are in germany switch to lancom or reduce your tx-power and don't use dualnstreme2, this is completely illegal. all of these issues have been discussed many times on this and on other forums and events. mikrotik, even if they are working in a country which is in the eu and therefore would be under a high pressure to implement those regulations, are absolutely ignoring all requests, and making a bit of fun on everybody who really tries to work according to the laws. all they say is, nobody cares so why should we implement anything.

a nice overview can be seen here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 4&p=121514

since then nobody in this whole thread ever got any response, and as you may see from the funny replies from normis regarding this eu-law, they actually do not care at all.

so, switch or get fucked by your local regulatories easy as this.

hmm..... does anybody know a german distributor for staros ?
to buy lancom hurts

so what.... for our 5ghz links in germany we do not use mikrotik..... thats easy.

is it maybe the "backgroundscan at work" without the 24h/(60sec) disconnect

DFS2 much more difficult than just that , 24h shutdown /(60seconds) ''for all radio cards in a Ap if you have multiple there''
continious backroundscan not just at startup 6 radarpatterns instead 3 like in DFS..and much more .

as thadem stated there is a nice overview in a other post.

Personaly i dont use the BFWA band at the moment ..IMHO lancom is no alternativ for large scale wisps + i don't like the idiots from Achen but thats another thing .

To asume all there are 2 ways we can go: first wait untill MT is implementing it ore switch to other wireless Brands ..i dont now
how starOs is handling it i now of Motorola-canopy that they can .
But this is a Mikrotik forum so i don't want start to compare other Brands with them, and as far as routing and many other stuff
i will still stay with MT .

ok, i understand that BFWA is definitly not supported.

Question:
The 5 GHz range between 5.470 - 5725 is with the german regulation supported?

TX 27 dBi (without TPC)
DFS = radar detection ? (ROS option, is it the same, or not really)

If not must the biggest germany resellers sell illegal products or for no legal using.
i hope that i'm wrong and i will contact my dealer about this problem. He is a mikrotik official seller.
i don't want to use other solutions, because the function are good and stable, but now there are to many questions?

greetz

@ thejinx: da es ja hier um deutsches recht geht, könnten wir auch auf deutsch weiterschreiben, falls das für euch besser ist.


i personally would not wait until mt is implementing dfs2 and atpc, as they are really ignoring anything regarding this. so do not wait for it, but if it happens to get implemented, be happy

5470-5725 MHz (Subband 2) is fully legal in germany, but of course with a reduced eirp of 1w when using tpc and dfs. and you do not have to submit anything to the BNetzA to use it, its free for everyone.

reseller like meconet can't be made responsible, as they are not importing it into the eu, they are just selling it as a eu-product, as it comes from latvia and latvia is in the eu. so blame mt for it.

what you (and perhaps i-noob ) may use is mt for nearly everything except your backhauls and lancom or somehting else for backhauls. by that you would have all advantages of ros like nstreme to the client and so on and have legal and high bandwidth backhaul(s). of course lancom is not cheap and many of their supporters are idiots but nonetheless they make good products, if you know where you can use them and where you should avoid using it

5470-5725 MHz (Subband 2) is fully legal in germany, but of course with a reduced eirp of 1w when using tpc and dfs. and you do not have to submit anything to the BNetzA to use it, its free for everyone.

no question the subbband 2 with MT is legal here and for me it is enough to have 1W for clients because i run in most cases
smal cell's so distance to clientside isn't a problem to handle .

My idea was that the real benefit of the new BFWA band is not the abillity to roast chicken with 4W Erip than have another
bunch of cannels where i can move my backhaul to .

How erver i gave up with MT about this this theme 1/2 year ago i have now some diffrent test-devices laying in my shop.
As for backhaul i don't care that much about the price more the robustnes and then we come to the point where we don't
have to talk about lancom-(toys)
end of theme we can talk endless about this it is like it is we can't change anything about this.

You are right. It is useless to discuss that here. Everytime I asked I got no usable information.

To say "Wait" to a stone has an other timeline if you say "Wait" to a rabbit.