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Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:36 pm

Dear Mikrotik,

The forums are ripe with members asking for help, guidance, and examples to properly implement MME and the requests go back multiple years. As there are no responses from Mikrotik or users documenting a working implementation of MME. One now needs to raise the question: does MME actually work or is it vaporware? As the saying goes, "the proof is in the pudding". Please post a real world working example, start answering the forums regarding MME, or cowboy up and admit MME is vaporware.

Sincerely,
A couple of severely disappointed consumers with thousands of dollars in Mikrotik gear and year old unanswered forum posts regarding MME.
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Sat May 01, 2010 8:36 pm

Bump...

Mikrotik... still awaiting a response... it has been one week.
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Mon May 03, 2010 10:59 am

What exactly are you waiting for? Customers write those example articles, if nobody want's to write it, there is nothing we can do. We are working on a new manual, we will have examples section when it's ready. Until then, bumping topics and spamming forum won't help. You can always call a consultant or attend a wireless advanced training if you need urgent help
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Mon May 17, 2010 3:24 pm

Sir, this is an ongoing issue as noted within the forums here. Searching MME in the forum topic shows many examples of uses wanting to make use of Mikrotik MME but unable to deploy MME due to a lack of documentation and examples.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/search.php?ke ... mit=Search

This thread is not intended as flaimbait, rather to point out the frustration of your paying customers not able to make use of Mikrotik gear. Capitalism works. If Mikrotik fails to provide for customers to use the gear, customers will go elsewhere and spend their money elsewhere. There is a vibrant community here and there are many wonderful things about Mikrotik (winbox, the dude, simplicity, etc) but Mikrotik is severely lacking when it comes to documentation. The last "official" documentation is 2.9... a RouterOS which is no longer even offered for download.

An argument could be made to slow development of new features and focus on updating the documentation so that users can properly deploy Mikrotik. This may be the time to take a lesson from the success of Cisco. One of the reasons Cisco became the 800 pound guerrilla in the networking market is because they created and deployed a robust training curriculum including excellent, detailed, verbose documentation with examples and thus pumped out many, many certified technicians to support their gear.

Please take this as "iron sharpening iron" as the intent is growing the community. Alas, sometimes growth, like feedback, is painful.
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Mon May 17, 2010 3:31 pm

Latest manual is not for v2.9. If you look a closer look you will find that now even latest features are added to the manual instantly:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Category:Manual

And if you look at routing
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Routing

you will find MME reference manual
and theory with configuration example
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Tue May 18, 2010 4:44 pm

Thank you. Alas, we have read both the pages on the wiki that you site but are unable to get MME working. Perhaps we are doing something completely wrong. Our example is illustrated in the following post.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=41189

Maybe we are not understanding how the protocol works? We were expecting "seemless" failover with no loss... instead it took one minute... the same as the hold down timer... as we are working with a rapidly changing topology (not accurately depicted in picture) perhaps our settings should be:

origination-interval = 1s

timeout = 2s

This might lead us to only have a 2 second loss... still not ideal... but a great improvement.

Thoughts?
 
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Re: Mikrotik and the Great MME Black Hole

Wed May 19, 2010 7:35 am

You need to adjust both "timeout" and "gateway-keepalive" to values that meet your needs.