http://www.routerboard.com/product/111

The Groove is our smallest outdoor series model - a fully featured RouterBOARD powered by RouterOS. Weatherproof, durable and ready to use. It has one 10/100 Ethernet port with PoE support and a built-in 200mW 802.11a/n wireless radio. With the Nv2 TDMA technology, 125Mbit aggregate throughput is possible!

The Groove features pole mounting points, so attaching to masts and round poles is really easy with a simple mounting loop.

The Groove 5Hn has a RouterOS Level3 license, so you can use it as a wireless client or for point to point links.

It has a built-in N-male connector, so you can attach it to an antenna directly, or use a standard antenna cable. LED signal indicators make it easy to install and align.

The price includes the Groove, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

The Groove runs RouterOS with all it’s features.

Is there ESD/Surge protection at Groove LAN port??

OK, I understand. No answer from MikroTik - no LAN port protection?!

It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.

I have some on order! Have some awesome applications for this, really excited...

mounting one to my truck as soon as i get some of them.

-Brad

I want to start changing couple of Ubnt Bullet's with Mtk Groove, but I have one question. It is written that groove has to be installed in vertical position with Lan port facing down. So, how can I use it with grid antenna that has N connector on back of it?

you can do that, the writing meant that the port shouldn't be pointing straight up.

I am holding groove in my hand, and realy i am not sure that rain won't go in the groove through these four holes on back. Are you accepting warranty if groove get wed and die?

20cm of coax with connectors or this:

i'm interested if it's designed to mount directly to antenna (massive pcb?) or using a 'pigtail' (short LMR400) is recommended?

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...

The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about.

Tom

right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.

right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.

Then it must be a Dodo bird but I believe that they are extinct.

Use the right angle adapter so the Groove is pointing down. Your giant bird will be sitting on the right angle adapter, not on the Groove. Or on the top edge of the panel. But more likely on the feed horn of the dish antenna feed horn or a yagi with no radome.

Fix the panel or antenna to the mast or tower. Let the Groove hang free on the right angle adapter. Attach the data cable to the mast or tower so it does not put stress on the Groove. Don't forget a drip loop or two.

Tom

WOOO!

Just got mine in! Will be playing around tomorrow.

Took a few shots already and ripped it apart... as you do






Few more pic's on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5Hn

Going to be swapping a 7115Hn with this, so theory is it should perform exactly the same! Time will tell.

That heat sink is a work of art. It looks like a Harley J. Earle design -000- but I am pretty sure he died in '69.

Tom

And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.

Anybody interest in 40+NS5's + a couple of NS5+NS2's?

And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.

First the 711-2Hn then I'm sure we'll see a Groove-2Hn

I want a Groove 2Hn with L4 license and mount 'em to a sector antenna.
Let see how they work or groove's jst a client end product

Well I've given it a shot in Direct-To-Dish mounting.

EDIT: Performance is equal, if not better than the RB711 setup, 10MB/s Up and 10MB/s Down. Fantastic Unit!
-Right at this moment we've noticed about a 20% decrease in RX performance to the RB711 that was on the same dish, but I stupidly forgot to test the RB711 just before swapping them, so I don't have an accurate comparison yet. But we'll see how it goes.

Also interested to see how this operates weather wise, we have some rain coming this week so hopefully I can break it and show that I shouldn't mount like this!



Interestingly I attempted a Backup and Restore of config from the RB711 to the Groove and it didn't quite work 100%, but it was close enough.

Also weirdly, I can't get the Wireless Signal Strength LED's working. Its configured right in the LED section, but they don't light up... not sure what's happening there.

Again, more pictures on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5HnInstalled

For those still not quite grasping the size of the Groove, here is a shot side-by-side with the Ubiquiti Bullet2 which a few people have come across in their travels as they have been out a while..



Of course as soon as the Groove A-2Hn is release there will be a heap of Bullets on the market .. so come on Mikrotik!

More pics over at my blog again -> http://www.air-stream.org.au/blog/shawn ... i-bullet-2

P.S. We are averaging 10MB/s through put in both directions (not simultaneously) with the Groove so far, and its currently pouring with rain and it hasn't failed .. yet Go-Groove-Go!

Yes, please. We need a 2.4GHz version of the RB711, the Groove, and the Omnitik! Please don't ignore the 2.4GHz market segment Mikrotik. And give them the strength, the power, and the sensitivity, that other makers seem to deliver.

Tom

Mikrotik -

What is your official position on a 2.4GHz Groove? I know I can't wait to get my hands on such a unit... Can we expect one in the near future?

Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).

yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well

get 'em out of the closet Normis. The market is waiting.

funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products),

so it's calculated already in price, then version without should be cheaper...

It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.

When tests are finished? Thanks

funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).
yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well

That's great that You including these things for free. Give us in one package 1 + 1 Groove Free
Dont't be funny - these things are caltulated to overall price. Many times - we need only AP (Groove L4) for base station that it has own guaranted power supply to all devices. So - we don't need power supply and PoE injector.

if you choose between two products of similar price, and one of them has additional things - it's free. we will not reduce the price if we sell you only the groove device without package and accessories, as this requires change in manufacturing and packaging procedures.

why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.

why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.

Bulls eye!

My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...

The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about.

Tom

As with any RF connector this insertion loss figure is calculated using a precise dummy load attached, in reality the loss will probably be 1 to 2db when inserted depending on frequency and what RF load it presents.

My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!

can u show me a picture of your POE Injector and Power Supplies.
But yeah thr must be remote sites where poe's go bad ...neways u can sell them to the needy as well.
Companies have to go be rules and regulation with the packaging where they pay duties and VAT. EVery different product with different accessories makes a new item and new set of taxes and duties.

I do not advise Mikrotik to concentrate on managing those things.
Let them be good at the Routerboard and Router OS.

You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.

Whow, this looks like an awesome device. Has anybody tested power consumption? I can see these babies running on small battery pack powered by solar panel

smaller batteries wld also mean more recycling.

This PoE-Panel is just a passive device.
A power jack is located on the rear of it.

You'll need a power supply with this PoE-Panel.
You can use it with any voltage up to 50 volts.

The panel just distributes the power of your power supply to your hungry 24V PoE-powered devices.

You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.

I'm a little bit afraid of this panel. Think about power: 16x0.4A=6.4A. It's 4 pcs of PCB, what's daisy-chained.
First PCB should carry 6.4A from one side to other. 2nd 4.8A, 3rd 3.2A. I'm not sure, that PCB (and wire diameters) are designed for such load.
(and think about, that most of us use 24V instead of 48V - that's double Amper for same Wattage)

Of course, i not say that will not work, but i would connect those parts directly instead of daisy chain for first...

Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.

Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.

Are you sure about the last statement?
If a routerboard requires 6W, will it consume 0.5A at 12V and 0.25A at 24V or will it also consume 0.5A at 24V and put out the extra 6W as heat?

from the Groove brochure

Consumption - Up to 0,19A at 24V (4.56W)

Just use a continous regulatable power supply to confirm.
A Routerboard starts to work with 8V and will drain about 0.5 A
When you push the voltage to 12V the current drops to 0.33 A
If you further push the voltage to 24V the current is as low as 0.17 A

does anybody have a picture of the whole kit? I'd like to see what PoE is included, also maybe to see what the power supply looks like

Successfully tested a 16 km link with Groove at both ends.
24 dbi mini grid antenna. Across a river almost 2 km wide.
Signal -68/70. CCQ = 65/68. Pthroughput = 7000 approx.
Bandwidth test shows 3 mbps.

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET

You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET

You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.

Nice one )

Have 6-7 bullets-links no one is under 60-70mbit real TCP
no problems at all stable and powerful
In aether side groove have better OS 1milion futures (I start using SXT all I can say is wow NanoStation5 is not even nearly good as SXT)
but most important is speed
What is the max TCP throughput of groove?
What do u meen 125mbit aggregate speed?

groove has 100MBps ethernet interface, so, you can saturate that, and then still have some upload left (25MBps).

janisk's example is just a funny way to explain that "aggregate" means "up- and download traffic combined" in this aspect.

guys, so nobody knows what 100Mbit full duplex means?

"duplex": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_%28 ... cations%29
"aggregate": http://www.collinslanguage.com/results. ... =aggregate

We all know what it means. The example was only a bit funny.

groove has 100MBps ethernet interface, so, you can saturate that, and then still have some upload left (25MBps).

i can never reach 100Mbps in my setups, even at very close range < 2km, good clean area (no noise), max i get is 80mbps (oneway)TCP, 95Mbps UDP (oneway), once i have it running on both, bandwidth drops to half (about 45mbps + 45Mbps => worst on TCP).

Any tips to make it 100Mbps (ethernet speed)?

here is my 5km test result:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54368

go for NV2 for TCP throughput.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Nstreme_dual_Step-by-Step
http://www.mikrotik.com/wireless.php#nstrm

Just giving this thread a bump...

Normis: Is there a 2.4Ghz version of the groove in the pipeline? Near term?


- would appreciate any info (getting tired of having to assemble cpe's!)

one tip for you - watch the MUM live stream

or attend MUM in Vegas... same country.

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup

We have a 4 links with Groove HW. 40Mhz with Nstreme ccq 80-90% max 70mbps (50ms ping) ccq falls on 50%....personaly I expected more

We have a 4 links with Groove HW. 40Mhz with Nstreme ccq 80-90% max 70mbps (50ms ping) ccq falls on 50%....personaly I expected more

Try nv2 nstreme And you Will have more speed

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup

And no one knows this? How to make the ap to show signal leds??????

Sent from my GT-S5830 using Tapatalk

using NV2 = max 3mbps ccq 5% and time out

Uhm, is there anyway to make N devices to work with 40Mhz (G-Turbo) band?

choose 20/40Mhz on AP device. or did you mean 802.11G ? 2,4G?

me Like Mikrotik

using NV2 = max 3mbps ccq 5% and time out

Bad config or link.

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup

And no one knows this? How to make the ap to show signal leds??????

Well, probably because it is in AP mode.... What signal do you want? AP usually has several stations connected, so how does AP knows which signal to show? So it is useless feature and thus probably not available in software.
Go to your register tab in wireless to see the signal strength of each associated client.

what did you mean bad config? Nstreme with frame policy best fit on 4000, signal -64/-64 ccq is cca 80% registration rate 100-150mbps (changing) in BT UDP test 60mbps then ccq fall on 50%.

bullet M5 HP on this link is going on 90mbps no problem....

Any ideas? What I shlould change in config? Or try?...any ideas? thanks

contact support@mikrotik.com with the support output file where the speed is low.
Try to use rate-selection=advanced (us only with the latest versions, currently, v5.7).

Send BT test is going about 50-60mbps .....(ccq fall on 50%)
In this receive BT test ccq is so good 80-90%, ping 30ms but it wil stop on 73mbps... why? ccq is good, CPU is only on 40%...
I tried advanced data rates...no change.

Try specifying the speed in Btest rather than letting it scale. Uldis mentioned this in his wireless presentation at MUM the other day.

receive test with 100/100m
send test is the same but with 91mbps and 30ms ping
Maybe I need better signal?

What's the CPU utilisation of the remote end?

I think, same like on this side???

it is good idea to check both ends, since there can be different problems with wireless links.

Is there anybody with groove link? I mean somebody with BT test over 100mbps

what did you mean bad config? Nstreme with frame policy best fit on 4000, signal -64/-64 ccq is cca 80% registration rate 100-150mbps (changing) in BT UDP test 60mbps then ccq fall on 50%.
...

Did you try lower than 4000? or any other frame policy?

The ccq has to be over 90%.

Please give more details about the link.

- Distance?
- Line of Sight - clear fresnel zone?
- Antennas?

no, I have 3999 (advice from internet forum)

distance 3km, JIROUS JR24 vs. JIROUS JR29

can you recommend me any other frame policy?

Fresnell is not very clear but is ?Line of sight? I see other side..

choose 20/40Mhz on AP device. or did you mean 802.11G ? 2,4G?

yes any 802.11G, 2.4Ghgz or 5Ghz, ie:

N device to connecto to an AP with 802.11G (40Mhz or g-turbo)

no, I have 3999 (advice from internet forum)

distance 3km, JIROUS JR24 vs. JIROUS JR29

can you recommend me any other frame policy?

Fresnell is not very clear but is ?Line of sight? I see other side..

I prefer using 32dBi antennas (solid dish or 80cm satellite dish + 5GHz feeder) and use lower tx power.

Also i have seen more stable results with best fit and 3200.

thanks for advice I will try..

groove is 802.11n device, it does not support turbo modes (40MHz channel) for 802.11a and 802.g modes.


What you can do on AP is select 5ghz-a/n mode and then choose 20/40MHz channel width. As result clients will connect using 802.11a to 20 MHz channel and other client will be able to connect using 5GHz 802.11n and use 40MHz HT channel.

turbo mode is not the same as 40MHz HT channel.

also, why not to use 802.11n? more data at same channel width.

why not to use 802.11n? more data at same channel width.

because, there are currently many sites that already on turbo mode and all of their clients are turbo enabled (not supporting 802.11n).

hmm seems like we to have to stick with Rb411 and R52/R52H ....
and hoping they are not discontinued very soon.

yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem?

yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem?

You should run a throughput test between 2 units that are connected to each end of your groove-groove link. This way the CPU of these external units produce the data and the groove's only have to pass the traffic. Now you can really 'see' how much your link can carry.
Probably you run into 100% cpu capacity if you have the groove also produce the data stream....

propably you are right...

yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem?

nice, have you tried tcp?
mine never hit any greater than 75mbps in tcp(one way), UDP has been 97-98mbps.
using nv2, ccq 100%, ping varies from 2-15 (nv2 characteristic), Signal -54/-58.

btw there's no point chasing after something over 100mbps, cos its ether only works on 100Mbps (upto)

You only have 100M FD connection don't you?

I dont have got enough HW to do TCP test. Behind groove there is only UBNT M5 sector. But now groove works perfectly. Primary the groove L3 is cheaper than ubnt bullet M5 HP and result is same.

are groove and Ubiquiti bullet 5m compatible with each other?
Does the mimo technology yet?

Propably in 802.11a ....I think thats not a good idea....

I found this site, the groove can not communicate with the bullet 5M.
I will regret if I want to gradually switch to the groove.
A wonderful device.

http://www.wirelessinfo.be/Link-testen/ ... /index.htm

I found this site, the groove can not communicate with the bullet 5M.
I will regret if I want to gradually switch to the groove.
A wonderful device.

http://www.wirelessinfo.be/Link-testen/ ... /index.htm

It can, you only have to set both as legacy 802.11a device. Ubnt airmax or MT-NV2 is both propietary TDMA which means in that mode they cannot.
But in legacy they have to comply with the IEEE 802.11a standard and thus they can...

If i use groove for point to point 10km which antenna is suitable Omni Or Grid . And how much dbi antenna wanted

Grid of course