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Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:09 pm

For starters, I do apologize if I have posted this in the wrong section.

I guess I'll start with a little back story so everyone can get a feel of where I'm coming from knowledge wise.

I work for a school district that has utilized a wireless network for over five years. I was hired a few years ago (part-time) to help and learn from the Network Administrator that configured the RouterBoards for all the antennas. Before I could learn anything about the configuration of the MikroTik RouterBoards, there as a contract dispute with the district and the Network Admin and he left.

Since then I'm now full-time with occasional help from our areas regional office's computer tech. I have helped program some new MikroTik indoor access points, so I do know my way around the WinBox interface of the RouterBoards. We have 5 locations (1 main office and 4 schools) that have antennas for internet and network. We also utilize a grain bin in one of the two towns are buildings are in.

Back to my problem... Our Superintendent (without asking any questions of his IT department) made the decision to start using a point-to-point system through the phone company in our area to connect 3 or our 4 schools. The one out of the loop will no longer be used within the next two years and would stay on the wireless it is no longer needed. The wireless chain is set up like this. Our district office is where the internet connection comes into the network and our mail, web, monitoring system is located, then shoots to the high school then to the first elementary building. The elementary building sends the signal to the grain bin in the neighboring town about 13 miles away and that signal is split to the two schools there (the second elementary and the middle school).

Everything was working ok, or so I thought. Since the point-to-point and the wireless were still working, I assumed everything was set up correctly. Then there is an issue with the antenna on the high school (that is for a completely different post). This has knocked out the wireless connection to the rest of the chain. Now the point-to-points are taking care of the schools that are connected o the P2P, but the neighboring town's elementary school that is still on the wireless is down until I can find a solution.

What I want to do is change the configuration of the wireless antennas so that the local elementary is the start of the chain and sends the signal over to the grain bin and over to the other elementary school.

I know this is a long read and I am more than willing to give any information and/or screen shots for anyone who is willing to give me a hand and ask more questions. Since my knowledge is very limited, I'm not sure on how much more information I could give.

Thank you in advance,

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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:40 pm

You are going to have to provide a heck of a lot more information and as this is a free forum, any solution is going to take some time to resolve. So bear with everyone?! If your needs are urgent, I really think that if you don't know how to fix this fast, you would be best to hire in the service of a Mikrotik Consultant. There a lot of good guys in the US, many look in on the forum from time to time, but if very urgent, you best contact them direct! There are also a lot of other Consultants who can help you here too, as this could probably be fixed by offline methods, rather than a site visit. If you want to do this for no expense, use the forum and be patient, the school will then have to wait. You can't wait? Then spend bucks and get a fast fix and a happy school again. :-) Your call.

So, if you have all the time in the world, I would start by posting a lot more info here, network diagrams, IP addresses, exported configurations... if you're worried about posting such stuff in a public area, then you best stick to hiring a consultant who would respect the privacy of the information. Don't try and edit or blank out any IP addresses, it is a false believe that doing that makes your network more secure. If you think that someone knowing your IPs is a security risk as they may then have a way into your network, you've got bigger problems to worry about! :-(
 
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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:04 pm

Thanks for the tips nest.
At this point I'm not oppose to it, but a bit hesitant on paying for the tech support when the antenna on this particular school is only being used for a couple more weeks, but I still want to try and figure out a way to get them back online before then. It's kind of a catch 22.

OK. I've compiled some information about the network. Here are a few images with some of the info. There are a few more screen shots I need to get and post, I should have those later today.
This is the map of the over all network. What is crossed out, is not longer needed on the wireless. Circled is what I am trying to get to communicate with each other. The antenna for PES 10.10.2.1 and the Grain bin 10.10.7.1 both are up and working, just not communication between the two.
Overall Map.JPG
Here is the configuration for the PES 10.10.2.1 RouterBoard. I will post the configurations for the Grainbin and for the tower at TES 10.10.4.1 as soon as I get over there.
PES MikroTik Config.JPG
Just to give a update, the issue I'm having is getting the two RouterBoards (10.10.2.1 and 10.10.7.1) to communicate with each other.
Thanks again in advance for any advice.
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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Here is the configuration to the Grain Bin in the neighboring town.
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Right now there is communication from the Grain Bin to the PES tower 10.10.2.1, but I can not get the PES tower 10.10.2.1 to communicate with the Grain Bin. Since the Internet connection originates in the town where PES is located I need the PES tower to communication with the Grain Bin.

Again, any help is appreciated.

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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:52 pm

After a few seconds looking at that, I am concerned with some of the logic behind the routing.

On PES 10.10.2.1 you have a default gateway (0.0.0.0/0) pointing at itself. It is also pointing to a bridged interface bridge1. Please list the ports that make up that bridge interface.

Also you state that from 10.10.2.1 it cannot communicate with 10.10.7.1. Well, looking at the routing table on PES, I can't see how it will work. There is no route for any traffic destined for 10.10.7.1 to go anywhere as the default route (which would apply for 10.10.7.1) goes to the bridge1 interface. I am guessing there is a WDS link here and bridge1 is the default bridge interface for the WDS connection? In which case the network is a little mixed up with L2 bridging and L3 routing! But 10.10.7.1 is not on the L2 WDS bridge (assuming this is done with WDS) it is ether1 on the GrainBin, so that is probably why it fails. Can you ping 10.10.6.2 from PES? If the WDS link is up, you should be able to.

if you add a new static route at PES for 10.10.7.1 and pointing it to a gateway of bridge1, can you then ping from PES to GrainBin?

Is there also any firewall rules in place? Especially any NAT rules anywhere?
 
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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:10 pm

PES MikroTik Bridge_Interfaces.JPG
Here is the Bridge and Interface config for the PES tower. The IP address for the Ethernet the Grain Bin is 10.10.7.1. I used it more for a identifier in the previous post. I don't know if it is relevant to the signal transfer. Communication is through the WLAN on the Grain Bin since it is sending the signal about 8 miles.

Let me know if there is more info needed and thanks again your attention.

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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:50 pm

yes, there is some more info I need, the answers to my questions? ;-)

and stop using screen shots, use the export command on the various different parts I'm asking for details on :-) I can also then copy and paste them into test rigs I have here to simulate what is going on with your network here in our office.

One other thing I noticed, why have you got the address 10.10.9.1/24 disabled on GBin?
 
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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:30 pm

Thanks for your help nest, but I was able to find support through MicroTik's website that was able to help with fixing the configuration issues. The school is back online now.

Thanks again for your time.

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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:36 pm

and for the benefit of the many thousands that may visit this forum again in the future, the solution was.....?
 
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Re: Newbe problem to already configured Wireless network

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:32 pm

Sorry for the delay in getting back with the solution.

As suspected the issue was the routing to PES. The tech pointed 0.0.0.0/0 with a gateway of 10.10.2.30 (our firewall ip address for that location) and a destination 10.10.2.0/24 with a preferred source of 10.10.2.1 (the PES antenna).

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