Just announced at Europe MUM

Mikrotik CLOUD CORE Router CR 1036
- 36 CORE PPC CPU (1.2Ghz per core)
- 4x SFP,
- 12x Gigabit port
- Touchscreen LCD
- 15mpps fastpath,
- 16Gbit throughput

Available this summer

A model with redundant PSU is planned.

This thing looks and sounds like an awesome product, and is a step in the right direction for Mikrotik. Great work guys!

estimated cost?

To be honest, this sounds like an early April Fools Joke
However, I would definitely like to see something like this!

Haha, yes it does sound too good to be true.

If they had SFP+ support, I would have written it off as an April fools

Mikrotik,

is this router based on the Tilera TILE-Gx36? or some other un-announced PPC processor ?

Sounds awesome, did anyone get any pics?

Any word about how it's going to be built, I'm not all that keen on having a router that processes 4Gbps+ for me fall over with no way to get back in and restart the control plane etc.
At the moment we progressed to using RouterOS running on top of ESXi as it's a more stable platform that allows us to restart and backup/restore any router with ease. The alternative (sometimes we combine both) has been servers with Remote access cards that allow console type access and reboot control independent of the router itself.

Hopefully either we see something that addresses this, or some better quality control on new versions!

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Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

awesome !! now leading to carrier class

http://www.tilera.com/sites/default/fil ... 010-01.pdf


Datasheet of the processor. I think this is the right one, becouse the Cache size announced is the same as the processor above.

YES!!!!!

Available this summer

As with previous deliveries, I should ask what year will it be available? Heck, I still haven't seen any 751G models available yet.

Mikrotik continually says when a product will be available, but seldom comes close. sounds like a very awesome product, but I would hate to base any future plans based on it's availability till I see one first.

-tp

Each tile can independently run a full operating system, or a group
of tiles can run a multi-processing OS, like SMP Linux.

That is nice. I wonder if ROS will allow running a foreign OS on a tile?

I didn't see Flash/RAM specs. I hope this doesn't go down the road of the RB100AH and get crippled by no flash.

To the poster above - RB751G has been available for a few months already. We are actually giving them away at the MUM now.

Looks like a great product!!!

This "cloud" buzzword does some pain to me however )

Customer: "Can I buy cloud from you".
Myself: "What do you need. Do you want Emailservice, Filespace, Webservice?"
Customer: "I want cloud. Please make me an offer."

To the poster above - RB751G has been available for a few months already. We are actually giving them away at the MUM now.

Normis, you should see that the poster above is from Location: Eagan, Minnesota USA.

Mikrotik is not shipping the RB751G into the USA until FCC testing and approvals have been completed. That completion date has been on a constant "2 more weeks" cycle since the beginning of the year. I guess this is payback for the US getting the RB751U first before is was approved and available in the EU.

Tom

Will the slides from presentation held at MUM be available in agenda soon???

Love the Cloud, hoping it'll be available very soon!

Also curious about other new products, anyone who can tell us more?

Also, any1 know what the price for the Cloud will be???

To the poster above - RB751G has been available for a few months already. We are actually giving them away at the MUM now.

Normis, you should see that the poster above is from Location: Eagan, Minnesota USA.

Mikrotik is not shipping the RB751G into the USA until FCC testing and approvals have been completed. That completion date has been on a constant "2 more weeks" cycle since the beginning of the year. I guess this is payback for the US getting the RB751U first before is was approved and available in the EU.

Tom

Thanks Tom for the information which now makes sense.
"2 More Weeks", eh... Sounds like a tag line from the movie "The Money Pit"

Great movie it was!

Cool!!! I will waiting for specifications and datasheet!!!

Does anyone have any idea about pricing on that monster?

woooooooooooooow!!! cooooooooool!!!!! Glad that I didn`t purchase X86 router again. I`ve decided to wait this crazy awesome router. Finally I`ll use Routerboard, that powerful than x86. It is not quad, not 8core but 36core. So crazy. I`m ready to buy for any price .

Normis.... Please tell us what is the plan of launch this crazy cloud.

I want MikroTik to finally replace Cisco Layer 3 switches. In big-money bussinesses.

MT any updates on this? It looks nice but are there any serious specification sheets out?

What about price? Even if it's not very accurate, we'd like to have a "ballpark" idea. Are we talking 1K are we talking 5K are we talking 10K ?

Is there a prototype video or anything? I'm really curious about the screen.

Lets bet how much it will cost. I bet around one and a half to two times a RB1100.

I want buy it, 2pcs. How preorder it?

I want buy it, 2pcs. How preorder it?

Not available for preorder. Prices have not been announced. Hold on just a little bit longer. We should have some news in a few months.

We'll be waiting... <_< ... >_>

Cloud Core Router will works only with V6 ? http://routerboard.com/CCR1036-12G-4S
Thanks

it's 'megamulticore', and seems like v6 contains many multicore improvements. so, I think, it will stick to v6

CCR-1036 should be available at the end of Q3 2012

when it scheduled for Q3, then according to previous experiences, at the best case, it will be available at the end of the year, most likely at the next spring, or even summer. What a disappointment ...

CCR-1036 should be available at the end of Q3 2012

when it scheduled for Q3, then according to previous experiences, at the best case, it will be available at the end of the year, most likely at the next spring, or even summer. What a disappointment ...

This beast needs V6. You'll be happy when this is tested enough. It's a hard job to make a
massive parallel system running stable and smooth. And as this device is a central router ...

I hope all RouterOS subsystems are fully optimized ASAP including Bridging

when it gets a dual power supply, it could be a good backup edge router for our MX5.

normis, I have RB1100AHx2 in Datacenter as firewall. Yesterday/today I was 500k pps ddos attack with 400Mbit bandwidth. I add drop rule in bridge to block client server, but it not help me, bcoz RB has 100% one core loading of queuering and drop 95% of new packets. This product will have this bug with multicpu balancing of any one task ?
If yes, I will order and set x86 max frequency router with intel nic's as firewall for blocking ddos source (if i know it), or blocking destination.

we are using RB1100AH to estabilish bgp connections with full routing tables but we are getting often 80% cpu usages and higher sometimes, how will this one behave? Maybe it will not die with 2 full sessions? that would be awesome.

when it gets a dual power supply, it could be a good backup edge router for our MX5.

True but this second PSU costs more than the whole router to be produced? Use VRRP HA config

CCR-1036 should be available at the end of Q3 2012

when it scheduled for Q3, then according to previous experiences, at the best case, it will be available at the end of the year, most likely at the next spring, or even summer. What a disappointment ...

We plan to star shipping beginning of Q3, 2012. So above prediction is reasonable.

We plan to star shipping beginning of Q3, 2012. So above prediction is reasonable.

excuse for my pessimism, but my point was, that what MT have planned and was has actually happened, is totally different things. For example, RB750UP and RB2011 was announced in March 2011 (about the same time like Cloud at this year), and planned for shipping at the end of the summer and at autumn. I got my first RB750UP at Christmas, and still have not get RB2011 (as far I understand, those I would need, with SFP port is even not in production yet). And Cloud Core Router is infinitely more complicated platform.

My RB1000 is under heavy load and we desperately need a more powerful router, but I keep remind myself, that this Cloud beast is only in my imagination, keep looking at x86 platform.

I just wanted to reassure you, that we are working hard to meet these dates this time.

OK I will help - If you send me one unit I will test the software on it You have my e-mail

today a guy in brazil told that he received a sample of the cloud core.
i dont know if its true because i asked for pictures, but he not sent yet.

today a guy in brazil told that he received a sample of the cloud core.
i dont know if its true because i asked for pictures, but he not sent yet.

this is absolutely not possible

today a guy in brazil told that he received a sample of the cloud core.
i dont know if its true because i asked for pictures, but he not sent yet.

this is absolutely not possible

I liked the ..

Any price information ?

We plan to star shipping beginning of Q3, 2012. So above prediction is reasonable.

now it is beginning of Q3, 2012 and still, nobody have price yet, not to mention shipping and selling those things ...
normis, any news about?

RouterOS v6 will have to be in much better shape to start shipping it on the CCR, so we are working hard to finish it up. Q3 until end of September, so we still have some time.

Hope the final release plan is October. We have budget for service router upgrade in 2012. So I`m waiting to purchase 2pcs of new crazy CCR. Now we have 2pcs of RB1100AHx2 and both CPU load is almost 98%.
So MT guys please please release your CCR on October

Likewise, I'll have an order for 2 going out as soon as they hit the shelves

how many firewall rules we can add to cloud core router without performence degradation ?? (routing and bridge)
if this product dont have ASIC - how many firewall rules it can support ?? (not NAT, only firewall)

Normis - answer please )

how many firewall rules we can add to cloud core router without performence degradation ?? (routing and bridge)
if this product dont have ASIC - how many firewall rules it can support ?? (not NAT, only firewall)

Normis - answer please )

Having or not having ASIC's it'd still be entirely dependant on the rules you're feeding to it.. eg: a Layer7 filter will always use more CPU than a simple protocol or port based filter so you can just have a blanket line saying "100 rules will degrade performance by X".

If it does have ASIC's one would assume these will be limited in functionality to standard firewall rules and not the full RouterOS subset, in a similar capacity to the switch chips.

Just my 2c.

2 omega-00 - i dont need nat, or L7 filter (for NAT i use linux, and for L7 i use cisco sce2020), from CCR i need only firewall for src-dst, protocols, ports...
In juniper EX3200 i can add more than 10000 firewall rules without speed degradation (all rules install on TCAM memory in ASIC).
If CCR use ASIC - its very good, but without it - beeter buy more cheaper core-i5 and install ROS or better linux on it ).

Hey, mikrotik !! where are you ... How many simple firewall rules i can add to CCR without speed degradation ????

if you need simple firewall rules only, then CCR is not for you. All MT router products so far, is built for universal usage, not for one simple task in massive scale. Is very unlikely, that CCR will have ASIC chip(s) inside.

netmaster - )) why you think that CCR is not for me ?? i need more than 5000 simple firewall rules ..
Mikrotik - tell more about CCR !!!!

why you think that CCR is not for me ??

because ASIC based products will be in any cast faster than CCR on your task. Firewall count is one thing, but what about traffic speed and packet size. I think CCR can handle 10000 rules at 1Mbps with no speed degradation, but in speeds overs 100Mbps, I am not so sure anymore. ASIC based products can handle 10000 rules probably at 100Mbps or even 1Gbps, that's the difference. MT wont answer to your question, because simple firewall rules is only one very small part of features what CCR will have, and is pointless for them to test it specially for you. Moreover, result will depend from many other things what you are not specified. Interface count, packet size, traffic amount, order of rules, etc, etc.

netmaster - ??? in the first post i ask about ASIC, i know that without ASIC CCR its just another PC router. And i ask about firewall at wire speed .. not 1 MBps or 100 MBps. Any switch or router with ASIC can filter packets at wire speed, 1 or 10 or 100 GBps.
What futures will have CCR in compare to x86 ROS ??? Its the same OS , but on different hardware )
And again - to answer for my question, you (or mikrotik) dont need

many other things what you are not specified. Interface count, packet size, traffic amount, order of rules, etc, etc.

you need just create 1000 firewall forward rules (just copy same rule 999 times), and if on uot interface speed and PPS will be the same as on input interface - thats very good !!

I hate to hijack this thread but you guys think there's any chance Mikrotik might bring slightly scaled down versions out of the CCR ? We're hitting around constant 75-80% cpu usage on our AHx2 , and while we don't really need the high port count or massive core count of the CCR , something slightly scaled down would work perfect for us.I'd prefer to stick to routerboard hardware for the most part than go full hog X86 just for my sanity's sake.

one core one gig port on pci-e and a vlan switch, what can a network need more ? to save from electricity bills I guess.

p.s. metarouter yes metarouter

I am about to order 2 x big x86 box to load with Vyatta for BGP purpose.

I am wondering if i should wait for this cloud router or go ahead with the Vyatta??

If you do order 2 big boxes, no reason not to run MikroTik on them, the BGP implementation works well, you could order just one and wait for the CCR to use as your secondary device

x86 boxes with RouterOS will give you more flexibility and useful features to quickly and directly serve your needs.

WinBox and WebFig will make your life easier and prepare you for the CloudCore when it is available.

According to wikipedia TILE64 architecture is supported starting from 3.6.36 kernel. Since ROS6 is at 3.3.5 right now, doesn't that mean a long wait till core router is ready?

According to wikipedia TILE64 architecture is supported starting from 3.6.36 kernel. Since ROS6 is at 3.3.5 right now, doesn't that mean a long wait till core router is ready?

I can assure you, I am typing this behind a working CCR router

According to wikipedia TILE64 architecture is supported starting from 3.6.36 kernel.

2.6.36

According to wikipedia TILE64 architecture is supported starting from 3.6.36 kernel.

2.6.36

I don't know what to do now, admit it that I was way off or edit the wikipedia

I don't know what to do now, admit it that I was way off or edit the wikipedia

I looked at recent edits - that info was not changed xD

Any update regarding the expected "end of september" availability of the CCR?

My configuration for the would to be Vyatta BGP router ... I am really hoping Cloud Router could appear now.

Btw does Mikrotik Support HA such as Clustering?

Intel ivy Bridge Xeon E3 1270v2, 4x 3.5Ghz cores, 8M L3
SuperTalent 8GB (2x 4GB) ECC unbuffered DDR3-1600, 2x open, 32GB Max
2x Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB Enterprise SATA-II 7200rpm
LSI MegaRAID 9260CV-4i 4-port SATA-II/SAS hardware RAID controller
on-board Intel 82574L 2x GbE NIC ports (1st/2nd GbE)
HotLava 12G6 Intel 82576 6-port GbE NIC adapter (3rd-8th GbE)

Why do you want to waste electricity and money with this x86 beast? RAID in a router? Impress your GF with something she can see not with stuff that is sitting in a server room.

I can assure you, I am typing this behind a working CCR router

Pics or it didnt happen

Im looking forward to testing the CCR when it comes out.

Why do you want to waste electricity and money with this x86 beast? RAID in a router? Impress your GF with something she can see not with stuff that is sitting in a server room.

If the disk fail, I wont need to bring down the router to repair it.

I need a router which can process as many PPS as possible.

What do you think about two router config for resiliency? (each router with normal router parts - flash for storage)

I am not sure if that question was for me but I am planning to run Clustering on the Vyatta for this pair of router and if one fail, the other would take over the BGP session.

May I ask if Mikrotik has this clustering feature (Active-Standby)

Thanks!

Yes - one more BGP session arranged with upstream provider + HSRP (VRRP) on the "inside" side.

Its Sep 10.

Should we still keep our hopes for the CCR for some time soon ?

MT team. Please enlighten us. We are ready to purchase 2xCCR.

Or we will have to buy Cisco 4900

Btw does Mikrotik Support HA such as Clustering?

Clustering in the sense of configuration synchronization....No, that is another long standing feature request.

Any update regarding the expected "end of september" availability of the CCR?

They never said a year.
Always remember the RB2011 series

But with the CCR we might get ROS optimizations for highly parallelized CPUs.
Now if it would run on a Sun SPARC T5140 with 128 logical cores

Most of the heavy parallel optimizations are in the most recent Linux kernel, mt really only needs to wait around or that. The CPU is already supported in kernel so I can imaging that the wait is mostly based on re-writing some single threaded or poorly threaded code so it can utilize 36 cores.

About a 'scaled down' version, the tileara CPU w/ 36 cores IS the scaled down version.

Hello MK,

Who knows when we can buy this beast router????


Thanks

Very soon

Can I make labs with each core running a separate RouterOS configuration, IP adresses etc? By connecting for example eth1 with eth2 so on to simulate many routers connected together?

This would be useful for everyone to test MPLS etc before implementing it in the production network

metarouter feature is not yet available on that router.

When?
Price?

How much pps will we get if we put all of the packets through HTB or are we going to have hardware HTB already?

Really interested in the price point for this router

I do not understand why Mikrotik to not answer to a very interesting and important questions about CCR1036.....

The answers are often general questions like:
Q: This is best product
A: Yes,

We are "professionals" we want to buy your products, we dont buy tomatoes in the store. You must understand that.

Both companies competing in the market have a lack of communication.
I mean Mikrotik and UBNT.

Be open, we appreciate it!



Mirek

Only opennesses we need is to put three routers in a lab and test the one in the middle with Traffic Generator. We put our heavy config on it and test if it will pass all the packets without loss , out of order and weird delays. Then we know we have true power. And we go to celebrate after that.

We are working hard to get the device to you as soon as possible. As you saw in our MikroTik User Meetings - the device is already done and working great!

We are working hard to get the device to you as soon as possible. As you saw in our MikroTik User Meetings - the device is already done and working great!

That's great, but we still do not know the price and date of sale

We have approval for CCR1036 but it will be invalidated after November. We are waiting for CCR for eight months. I don`t lose my approved budget. Only ten days left

We have approval for CCR1036 but it will be invalidated after November. We are waiting for CCR for eight months. I don`t lose my approved budget. Only ten days left

Sorry but we did not promise it any sooner. We have always said end of Q3 at the earliest.

Sorry but we did not promise it any sooner. We have always said end of Q3 at the earliest.

In the first announcement the launch date was summary of 2012. Anyway, if you guys will announce price information, we want to do pre-order even CCR didn`t start to ship.

When?
Price?

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When?
Price?

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could it be the product is not stable for production use cases thus it has not been released?

Of course it is not "stable", whatever you mean by that.
No company would just put a finished product on the self and tease users

Usually when the price is released that means that the product is 1-3 months away (ie. initial production run, last bug fixes,...)
So right now I'd say there is a 30-40% chance it will be shipping before December 20.

Always keep in mind the RB2011 series promises.

When?
Price?

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+1 Very anxious to get a CCR. My guess is that cpu alone costs over $600, so the complete CCR will likely be over $1000.

even if it is USD2K or 3K is not a problem.

I guess the product must be not stable thus they are delaying from releasing ...

They need to shit or get off the pot. Missed deadlines, broken promises, excuses, blah blah blah.
I was stupid enough to make business decisions based off of this product.
Just be honest, when can we expect this product and for christ sakes give us a price range.

I would much rather have a stable, usable peoduct than a rushed one.

CCR will come preinstalled with RouterOS v6, and is only compatible with RouterOS v6. The CCR could be available much sooner if you guys helped us test RouterOS v6 to give us more confidence, that the software is stable enough. We are doing what we can, to test ourselves, but to speed things up - download RouterOS v6rc2 and see how it works for you.

CCR will come preinstalled with RouterOS v6, and is only compatible with RouterOS v6. The CCR could be available much sooner if you guys helped us test RouterOS v6 to give us more confidence, that the software is stable enough. We are doing what we can, to test ourselves, but to speed things up - download RouterOS v6rc2 and see how it works for you.

It is high risk to run beta software on production environment and based on past experiences seldom any of my support cases to get respond/resolution after I have supplied the support file. Nobody bothers to reply ...

As such to run beta software + lack of active support == disaster for production environment ... I am sorry but this is hard truth.

I understand the product is very low cost and you guys never charge for any support yearly fee but in order to run an effective post sales support i think you guys should start considering to provide enterprise support with a fee and with that money you could add quality post sales headcount and provide prompt reply and resolution on issues.

I love this product and we uses it alot. We want to see this product/company grows!

Thanks!

It is high risk to run beta software on production environment

...

As such to run beta software + lack of active support == disaster for production environment ... I am sorry but this is hard truth.

There's no way you'd see me running the beta on a production network; the point of getting early access to the beta versions is so you can run them up on a test bench and/or run them on your home router etc for review. There's no good reason that anyone here can't do that, which is what MikroTik are asking for assistance with.

Just because they can test all the basic features doesn't mean you or I have an odd setup that may catch a bug in the beta/RC versions, therein lies the point of them making the software available early and asking you to test it.

Besides this, when you report an issue to Cisco, Juniper, Brocade as part of your maintenance contract and they send you a patched version to resolve the issue; you're testing their new release in just the same way and IMO you should *always* be testing this sort of update before rolling it out to production networks.

bugs or issues would not necessary appear when you are running/testing in a home/lab environment - perhaps you might just noticed some comestic bug.

the real issues would appear when loads are putting to it meaning in production networks.

anyway i am not interested to debate with you as this is just my view with Mikrotik.

I am looking forward for Mikrotik to start selling Enterprise Support package where they could grow their post sales support with quality replies and resolution.

So the CCR will be available when v6.0 gets released ?