CLOUD CORE ROUTER

Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:57 pm

Email your distributor

ojsa · Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:42 pm

Finally

Reserved 6 from the first batch to my country. Taking the day
off to meet the trailer when it arrives in about two weeks.

Childish I know, but we are taking about the router of the year

eflanery · Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:51 pm

Yay!

So, what is this CCR1016 model number I see silk-screened onto the board?

16 core version?

--Eric

ropeba · Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:54 pm

CCR1036-12G-BU - $625.00
CCR1036-12G - $645.00
CCR1036-12G-4S - $995.00

Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:09 pm

whoops... any specs?..

Looks like product naming gives lots of specs:

CCR10<ab>-<c>G-<d>S

<ab> - number of cores
<c> - number of Gigabit Ethernets
<d> - number of SFP cages

-BU -board unit (without Rackmount case), for installations in your own boxes

Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:16 pm

OK to clear up some rumours:

CCR1036-12G-4S
Cloud Core Router 1036 with Tilera 1.2Ghz 36-core CPU, 4GB RAM (2x2GB), 4xSFP, 12xGbit Ethernet, RouterOS L6, 1U rackmount case with touchscreen LCD, power supply
List price $995

CCR1016-12G
Cloud Core Router 1016 with Tilera 1.2Ghz 16-core CPU, 2GB RAM (2x1GB), 12xGbit Ethernet, RouterOS L6, 1U rackmount case with touchscreen LCD, power supply
List price $645

CCR1016-12G-BU (without enclosure)
Cloud Core Router 1016 with Tilera 1.2Ghz 16-core CPU, 2GB RAM (2x1GB), 12xGbit Ethernet, RouterOS L6, touchscreen LCD, power supply
List price $625

Our tests show that Cloud Core Router series can push wire speed throughput via all ports (up to 16Gbps full duplex on CCR1036-12G-4S, up to 12Gbps on CCR1016-12G), making it the fastest MikroTik product ever made. Pre-production batches for evaluation will arrive from the factory in ~two weeks.

Please download brochures below:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/ ... 4S_web.pdf
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/ ... 2G_web.pdf

willbur · Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:24 pm

What's going to be so good about the cloud core router anyways? What types of stuff or user interface is there versus the regular mikroitik/winbox? Any demo available for this unit?

Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:37 pm

What's going to be so good about the cloud core router anyways? What types of stuff or user interface is there versus the regular mikroitik/winbox? Any demo available for this unit?

Performance! Everything else like regular MikroTik RouterOS v6 router.

gustkiller · Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:49 pm

Awesome pricing!

doush · Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:16 pm

Pre production batches in 2 weeks ?
What about the production batches ?

tomaskir · Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:23 pm

Do these have hardware acceleration for aes IPSec?

Other the that, as said before, great pricing guys!

miahac · Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:35 pm

Ill take 2

dog · Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:03 am

AFAIK, Tile-Gx 8000 series has only 16-, 36-, 64- and 100-core versions

9, 16, 36:
http://www.tilera.com/sites/default/fil ... 036-02.pdf
64 Core is a different family:
http://www.tilera.com/sites/default/fil ... r_A_v4.pdf

Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:32 am

Will there be a version with temperature range -20 to 60 Degree
for outdoor cabinet usage?
Would be great at the base of towers.

Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:18 am

Will there be a version with temperature range -20 to 60 Degree
for outdoor cabinet usage?
Would be great at the base of towers.

The board unit with 16 cores will happily run at those temperatures if installed in a waterproof case.

robertpenz · Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:29 pm

Can you tell me the aes128 performance of the ccr models? Do they have also a special crypto chip?

THX

honzam · Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:47 pm

Normis: Can you tell us power consumption?

erkel · Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:10 pm

So now that there are 36 and 16 core versions, will there be a "Light" version like:
* 9 core TILE CPU
* 4 GBit ports + (1-2 SFP ports)
* no display
* passive cooling
* wire-speed gigabit routing (with non-conntrack firewall)
* priced at < $250

That is the router I've been searching for quite some time now.

Same here, Basically need a version of the RB450G with this chip TILE-Gx8009 (with the encryption option) PN# TLR4-00980CG-12CE

No need for a silly colour touch screen on a commercial router. Only adds to the cost and wank factor.

On the full spec version SFP+ would make more sence

LZiX · Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:55 pm

normis, CCR support 8/16GB ram. Only CCR or x86 ros v6 too?

honzam · Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:02 pm

I think only CCR, because have 64bit V6. x86 dont have this feature

TrollMan · Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:02 pm

Got to say the price is awesome! Will there be a 16 core version with sfp?

grg · Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:02 pm

So now that there are 36 and 16 core versions, will there be a "Light" version like:
* 9 core TILE CPU
* 4 GBit ports + (1-2 SFP ports)
* no display
* passive cooling
* wire-speed gigabit routing (with non-conntrack firewall)
* priced at < $250

That is the router I've been searching for quite some time now.
Same here, Basically need a version of the RB450G with this chip TILE-Gx8009 (with the encryption option) PN# TLR4-00980CG-12CE

No need for a silly colour touch screen on a commercial router. Only adds to the cost and wank factor.

On the full spec version SFP+ would make more sence

I would suggest to consider future 450G and 493G replacements to have this 9 core cpu and one or two SFP ports. Even phones these days have multiple cores.

complete2006 · Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:46 pm

If we could now have the FastReroute-MPLS Feature this would bei a good mpls base

Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:14 pm

If we could now have the FastReroute-MPLS Feature this would bei a good mpls base

+1

We really need this !

hectorros · Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:51 pm

Any new about SFP+ Ports ( for 10Gbps on one port ? ).

rjickity · Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:53 am

I saw the 36 core router at the mum. It was 99% CPU and consuming ~49 watts iirc

otgooneo · Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:25 am

Cool. I`ll get 2 pcs of CCR1036. It is so wonderful that price is amazing low. I thought price will be something like 3K$. The CPU encryption offloading specs are here:

Crypto and Compression
Acceleration
• MiCA™ engines deliver
low-latency, high-bandwidth
offload
• 40 Gbps encryption
throughput
• Support for IPsec, SSL, TLS,
MACsec, SRTP, 3GPP
• Public Key accelerator (RSA,
DSA, DH, ECC)
• True random number generator
• Deflate compress/decompress
with Gzip compatibility

Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:15 am

I saw the 36 core router at the mum. It was 99% CPU and consuming ~49 watts iirc

This could be possible, because MAX consumption on the CCR1036 is 60W.
MAX consumption of CCR1016 is up to 38W.

Both values at average room temperature.

TrollMan · Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:23 am

The CPU seems to support SPF+, so will there be a version soon?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:30 am

The CPU seems to support SPF+, so will there be a version soon?

We are always working on new and improved products, but we don't comment on things we have not announced.

tomaskir · Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:23 pm

We are always working on new and improved products, but we don't comment on things we have not announced.

Any official comment on IPSec hardware acceleration?

Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:26 pm

The Tilera CPU supports IPsec acceleration, as was stated above by otgooneo. Intial RouterOS software release will not support it, but we are actively working to add software support in upcoming RouterOS versions (it is definitely coming!)

otgooneo · Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:42 pm

Nice

tomaskir · Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:50 pm

The Tilera CPU supports IPsec acceleration, as was stated above by otgooneo. Intial RouterOS software release will not support it, but we are actively working to add software support in upcoming RouterOS versions (it is definitely coming!)

Thanks! Keep up the good work guys

Campano · Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:46 pm

they have 2 slots for sodimm DDR 1, 2 or 3?

tks 4 help

Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:04 pm

they have 2 slots for sodimm DDR 1, 2 or 3?

tks 4 help

CloudCoreRouter has SODIMM DDR3 slots

Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:25 am

Does the CCR-1036 support DDMI from SFP modules ?

janisk · Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:39 am

Does the CCR-1036 support DDMI from SFP modules ?

yes, CCR have DDMI support.

Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:10 am

yes, CCR have DDMI support.

Thank you!!!!

TrollMan · Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:33 am

What's the lowest power usage on the devices, does routeros have some type of power save implemented or is it always close to maximum ?

Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:05 am

What's the lowest power usage on the devices, does routeros have some type of power save implemented or is it always close to maximum ?

The above given values were the absolute MAX, with all ports running full speed, and max load on everything.

Running Idle, consumption will be this:

CCR1036 consumption is 28W on average (with LCD off).
CCR1016 consumption is 17W on average (with LCD off).

Campano · Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:30 pm

they have 2 slots for sodimm DDR 1, 2 or 3?

tks 4 help
CloudCoreRouter has SODIMM DDR3 slots

Tks!

fgoldstein · Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:18 pm

Will CCR support metarouter? Is there a standard compiler that works with the Tilera? With all of those cores it might be interesting to do some virtualization.

brointhemix · Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:07 pm

Hello!

The CPU specs say:

- - -
IEEE1588v2 precision timing controller support
- - -

Is there going to be a version of the CCR that supports PTP on the PHY level so that you can run Synchronous Ethernet over the CCR?

BTW, the CCR looks awesome!

TrollMan · Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:32 pm

What's the lowest power usage on the devices, does routeros have some type of power save implemented or is it always close to maximum ?
The above given values were the absolute MAX, with all ports running full speed, and max load on everything.

Running Idle, consumption will be this:

CCR1036 consumption is 28W on average (with LCD off).
CCR1016 consumption is 17W on average (with LCD off).

Thx Normis!

alexspils · Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:24 am

http://www.tilera.com/about_tilera/pres ... -36-core-c

The initial device in the Cloud Core Router family, the CCR-1036-12G-4S, features 36-cores, 12 Gigabit Ethernet ports and four SFP fiber module ports. Future members of the family will support multiple 10Gbit SFP+ fiber ports and tens of gigabits of network throughput.

Dobby · Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:28 am

Deleted because not related.

JorgeAmaral · Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:08 am

Hello!

The CPU specs say:

- - -
IEEE1588v2 precision timing controller support
- - -

Is there going to be a version of the CCR that supports PTP on the PHY level so that you can run Synchronous Ethernet over the CCR?

BTW, the CCR looks awesome!

For the market at this hardware is targeted this feature should be supported.

Normunds, will CCR support this feature in the near future?

hidagar · Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:26 am

Hello,

Wich SFP pn LX do you recomend to use with CCR?

Thanks

hkd · Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:35 am

I am interesting to CCR1036-12-4S however I dont need SPF connection,
but the Core and NAND of 4S are much more than without 4S
Core: 36 vs 16
NAND: 1G vs 512M

Can tell what is the performance difference between CCR1036 & CCR1016 ??

thx

Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:38 am

Can tell what is the performance difference between CCR1036 & CCR1016 ??

24 million packets per second, vs 18 million packets per second. for comparison, in the same test RB1100AHx2 has 1.7 million pps

janisk · Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:57 pm

I am interesting to CCR1036-12-4S however I don't need SPF connection,
but the Core and NAND of 4S are much more than without 4S

you can use Gbit ethernet modules in these ports. So you are not limited to fibre modules only.

rmichael · Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:24 pm

How come 16 core CCR can do up to 1.5mpps and 32 core up to 8mpps?

Also, if CCRs can do 24mpps or 17.8mpps why don't you quote up to 32Gbps or 24Gbps throughput respectively? Is there a limitation that does not allow each port transmit at 2Gbps?

Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:40 pm

How come 16 core CCR can do up to 1.5mpps and 32 core up to 8mpps?

Also, if CCRs can do 24mpps or 17.8mpps why don't you quote up to 32Gbps or 24Gbps throughput respectively? Is there a limitation that does not allow each port transmit at 2Gbps?

I was assured by support it is only for now. There are lots of features/improvements coming into CCR as v6.x gets older.
Anyway 1,5milj pps in not bad for "Pre-production batch for evaluation"<c>.

Ehm...
24mil 64byte pps = =24mil*8*(64+ 14 (Ethernet header) + 4 (Ethernet trailer))/1000/1000 = 15,744Gbps

- all ports receives and sends out almost wire speed small packets - impressive

doush · Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:30 pm

Pre-production batches differ from the regular batches ?

honzam · Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:32 pm

you can use Gbit ethernet modules in these ports. So you are not limited to fibre modules only.

Which Gbit modules are supported? When we can expect Mikrotik modules?

otgooneo · Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:43 am

Pre-production batches differ from the regular batches ?

Is that true? Where can we find this kind of information?

cbrown · Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:49 am

Pre-production batches differ from the regular batches ?
Is that true? Where can we find this kind of information?

+1

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:28 am

Pre-production simply means that initial manufacturing capacity is not so high, and RouterOS v6 is not yet completely mature. Hardware will not change (except gradual revisions over time, just like any product)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:35 am

rmichael, macgaiver is right:

24mil 64byte pps = =24mil*8*(64+ 14 (Ethernet header) + 4 (Ethernet trailer))/1000/1000 = 15,744Gbps

this is full speed full duplex - the limit is the port speed basically.

janisk · Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:56 am

Which Gbit modules are supported? When we can expect Mikrotik modules?

we have tested some:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Supported ... FP_modules

all ones marked with Works! ff them are working on CCR. (As well as RB2011) Similar/compatible modules should work too.

brainy · Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:36 pm

rmichael, macgaiver is right:

24mil 64byte pps = =24mil*8*(64+ 14 (Ethernet header) + 4 (Ethernet trailer))/1000/1000 = 15,744Gbps
this is full speed full duplex - the limit is the port speed basically.

Is this also valid for firewall? Or just normal packet-forwarding?

Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:43 pm

we are working on "fast path" for firewall too. we will publish more detailed tests in a few weeks

PhilB · Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:05 pm

rmichael, macgaiver is right:

24mil 64byte pps = =24mil*8*(64+ 14 (Ethernet header) + 4 (Ethernet trailer))/1000/1000 = 15,744Gbps
this is full speed full duplex - the limit is the port speed basically.

Eh? 16Gbps (or ~24mpps) throughput is only full bidirectional throughput for 8 ports (1gbps transmit, 1gbps receive = 2gbps throughput total).

If you're passing traffic through the CCR1036-12G-4S you'd need to be able to get 16Gbps in each direction (or 32Gbps total) simultaneously for it to be classified as wirespeed.

16 1Gbps Ports * 2 = 32Gbps Duplex Throughput * 1.488 Mpps = 47.616Mpps Wirespeed Throughput

hectorros · Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:41 pm

With for example 15 Mpps, what is the CPU usage % ?

We have Some UDP packet attacks and web want to use CCR for stop the attacks.

Regards,,

Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:12 am

Lets clear out confusion. (i think it is at least third topic on this matter in last few years)

Throughput
In communication networks, such as Ethernet throughput or network throughput is the average rate of successful message delivery over a communication channel.

So in plain words - you send traffic from side A and wait how much traffic will come out via side B.
RFC2544 is a testing standard that have set of instructions and conditions that specified, how to determine DUT (device under test) throughput.

Anyway theoretical maximal throughput of the device can be sum of all port TX - 16 ports = 16Gbps =~24mil pps

PhilB · Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:21 am

I think perhaps I've been spending too long around switch vendors who count the packet on the way in and on the way out as part of the system total PPS.

ugn · Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:47 am

Maybe not the right place, but just wanted to say that the info on 'CCR1016-12G-BU' says 17.8Mbps (should be mpps I guess?)

Lakis · Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:20 pm

we are working on "fast path" for firewall too. we will publish more detailed tests in a few weeks

This is this
but tell me its not only for Cloud Core Router?

timberwolf · Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:58 am

we are working on "fast path" for firewall too. we will publish more detailed tests in a few weeks
This is this
but tell me its not only for Cloud Core Router?

I don't think so

see http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path

Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:21 pm

we are working on "fast path" for firewall too. we will publish more detailed tests in a few weeks

Best news from Mikrotik this year

hidagar · Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:30 pm

Hello,

I have this module GBIC MODULE 1000BASE-LX FIBER SFP AGM732F from netgear. This is working with CCR???

Thanks

Hozmax · Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:58 pm

Hi

The ccr 1036 is faster than Intel i7 6 core 3.3Ghz?

Dobby · Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:44 pm

Deleted because not related.

janisk · Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:10 pm

Hi

The ccr 1036 is faster than Intel i7 6 core 3.3Ghz?

as always, it depends on configuration and on how many interfaces are in use. Also, what will be cost of 16 1Gbit interfaces (if you populate SFP ports with copper Gbit modules) for your x86 box.

uksv29 · Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:21 pm

Are there any performance figures for tunnel and VPN performance of the CCR?

I'm looking at a PPTP VPN server application and would like to know the throughput of any individual connection and the total aggregated throughput of multiple users. I've been hitting the throughput limits of 1200 and 1100ahx2 recently and the CCR appears to be 'the way to go'. I don't have to use encryption (would prefer it though) as the users are connecting over a private LTE network.

Thanks

Andy

Dobby · Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:44 pm

Deleted because not related.

Hozmax · Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:00 pm

Hello Hozmax,

The ccr 1036 is faster than Intel i7 6 core 3.3Ghz?
Please let us all being realistic, in your set up you are able to insert sfp network interface cards from hot lava
and there for it will be not reach the same network throughput for the CCR series. Only in my poor opinion, but
it should be better to compare x86 machines against x86 machines and RouterBoards against Routerboards or if
you wish RouterBoards to routers from other vendors, but please also even products matching the same price
range and device class.

HotLava product page: http://www.hotlavasystems.com/products_gbe.html
Krakatoa 8155-2P Datasheet (PDF): http://www.hotlavasystems.com/pdfs/Krak ... -6P_ds.pdf

As an example:
You would not be fair if you are going on to compare a VW Beetle with an Porsche Cayenne,
but they both are owning a motor that burn petrol, 4 wheels and they are also both cars for civil usage.

The most peoples that acting very serious by doing router comparisons or tests are buying or assembling those devices and run then a test inside their network, with their specific needs, rule sets and then it will be coming nearly an equal
point that they would be able to chose where they want to point their device in action!

The i7 6core (HT with 12)max CPU load 42%. Simple Queues 1200, L7, 350Mbit / s,
this will take the load from the CCR?

martini · Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:23 am

Shit ..Can you just tell us performence of CCR in forwarding with firewall ??? !!!!!!!!!

I dont need to compare x86 with x86 !! i know how much firewall rule can use core-i3 or core-i7 without performance degradation ! I just whant to know how many firewall rules i can use on CCR !
Why UBNT with Edgemax can share his results (tolly report) and mikrotik hiding this numbers many months ???
Mikrotik - we whant your answer !

Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:45 am

martini, you should know better than ask such questions. I thought you know that this depends on type of traffic, type of rules, type of other config and settings. there is no such thing as "1000 firewall rules"

Why UBNT with Edgemax can share his results (tolly report)

you can read the small print in that report, it will explain what type of rules and how many of them. we can publish similar report, but it will not answer your questions (because of the type of rules they have there)

rmichael · Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:04 am

@hozmax
How many peoples you know at this time (today) who is owning a router from the ccr series?
And know tell me who is able to compare this machines for you with an exactly clone of your pc based router?

The i7 6core (HT with 12)max CPU load 42%. Simple Queues 1200, L7, 350Mbit / s,
this will take the load from the CCR?
Once more again, only for you, peoples who are doing seriously router comparing tests, are buying the devices
let them run in their network environments, to compare them against and based on this results, they are able to
come closer to use this devices where, when and for what! Only in my poor opinion.

@martini
Do you want to start the second version of the thread as "the locked thread 2.0"?
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63693

Tilera quotes:

The Tile-Gx36 (1.40GHz) has demonstrated an industry-best CoreMark score of over 165 000 (over 60% higher compared to Intel Core i7-2600K), while consuming a fraction of the power of the nearest competitor.

In networking, a single Tile-Gx36 can deliver more than 40 gigabits per-second of L2/L3 packet forwarding performance across small and large packet sizes using less than 25W of power.In cloud, a single Tile-Gx36-based server can provide better performance than a Xeon-based system at one-fifth the power and one-eighth the space.

Above performance numbers and the fact that each port is directly connected to CPU, CCR could be a game changer for routerboard family.

martini · Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:26 am

oh no.. ))) Normis - i'll be waiting you in Kiev )

doush · Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:14 pm

I already paid for 3x CCRs too and still there is an uncertainity now about the delivery dates. Even distrbutors doesnt know when they will receive them.

Miktorik, please confirm when are you going to ship these products ?

roc-noc.com · Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:24 pm

Hi Normis,

FWIW Sales just told me the end of next week. December 14th. Would be great if they ship sooner but I'm not holding my breath for that.

Tom

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:25 pm

Hi Normis,

FWIW Sales just told me the end of next week. December 14th. Would be great if they ship sooner but I'm not holding my breath for that.

Tom

It will take some time to upgrade them, pack them and ship them. So sales is simply being cautious with promises.

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:13 pm

Just ship them to us, we will upgrade them to the stable version 6 before we sell them on

doush · Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:00 pm

@nickshore
Exactly. Ship the hardware. It is pre-production and people are aware of it .

Basiley · Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:00 pm

truly impressive chip from TILERA

probably increasing production/sales/usage of chips both improve income and decrease prices.
and thuse bring whole new meaning/caps to networking.
rumored to be used in future acoustic/radar processing and satellite imaging by US and British military, for example. so this mean HUGE order from US DoD and price drop for other customers.

scampbell · Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:44 am

Will CCR support Metarouter please ?

Basiley · Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:21 pm

wonder/expect about something placed/targeted/priced between CCR Routerboards and present 2011.
built on to say/example, 8 core Tilera or 4-core ProAptiv chip[variant with FP and DSP] at 900Mhz, with 512 Mb RAM, one SFP+ cage, 8 1Gb-T copper ports, 128 Flash for[dunno] $189 ?
could be game/market changer, probably. and/or something alike, to: 1. fill gap. 2. exploit wonderful arch/chips potential[more widely].

[off-topic]
btw, there any chances/signs about 10Gbase-T adoption by Routerboards ? ie as "LAN" ports.
is any rumors how soon Atheros adopt Aptiv-core features/generation of MIPS?
[/end off-topic].

mrz · Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:33 pm

CCR doesn't have switch chip.

Basiley · Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:37 pm

CCR doesn't have switch chip.

WOW !!!
don't know what else to say then[keeping in mind - specified pps preformance...]
next Tilera chips[they anounced up to 916 cores on future] can turn CCR to something groundbreaking[which stomp CISCO/Juniper&etc into dust then].

depe · Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:52 pm

I know that anyone has yet touched the ccr1036, but seeing the video of the ccr1036 and test performed on RB 1100 AHx2, I have the following doubts:

I see the max traffic per interface using small packets (64 bytes) its like 1 Mpps, and 500 Mbits, its possible saturate a gigabit interface with 64 bytes packets coming from another 2 interfaces ?
I need combine traffic from 3 peers BGP to a distribution network connected to a Gig interface.
I will need to modify our network to use 1 port for each distribution equipment ? or will be able to use like now using only 1 interface ?
What about firewall, pcc, p2p control ? If only use 3 ports will be possible to use the extra CPU cores to process this kind of traffic ?

Best Regards

Demian

Basiley · Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:39 am

well if even 2011 can do about 150-170Mbps[SFP itself peaked at 85Mbps] on 64b packets traffic[without firewall, quees, p2p control and etc, you need], but 16-core and 36 core CCR with doubled frequency[and new arch]probably would do 1Mb+500Mb even with management/control you need/used.
scalability on Tilera chips-based hardware more depend[just like on other MP systems]on scalability of firmware/software[&latency/bandwith of interconnect and external bus]. thats why im pointed/devoted to Erlang lang. difference with C code measured in hungreds on stress load.

Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:06 pm

Here are preliminary (RouterOS v6 rc) results for the CCR 36 core version. Note that filter rules, including bridging and forwarding, will have fastpath support in one of the future versions which will bring it back to possibly wire speed for 64 byte packets (full duplex).

Double the numbers in the table to see aggregate (one packet coming in, one leaving):

Screen Shot 2012-12-11 at 1.05.20 PM.png

doush · Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Great info Normis. Thanks for that.

Now please inform us if the shipment date is still valid as mentioned (this week).

Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:02 pm

Great info Normis. Thanks for that.

Now please inform us if the shipment date is still valid as mentioned (this week).

At the moment, "this week" is still valid.

DIoXIDaZ · Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:51 pm

I'm thinking of buying 1016-12G cloud core router.
But i didn't find any info on web site:

How is it with the ipsec encryption acceleration? rb1100ahx2 has acceleration core but what about this?

Is there one core per port? or it will use as many ports as it needs for one interface routing?

I'm thinking of making ipsec router from main office to many smaller offices.

How it will work with tunneling encrypting decrypting?

Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:53 pm

Currently the hardware acceleration is not supported in software, but in future we will add this via software update.

No, each core is not assigned to specific port, one port will work with all cores, they will be assigned per task, not per port.

DIoXIDaZ · Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:56 pm

so i think, that would be not a problem to encrypt 500mbps~ with those cores?
or it will use one core per ipsec tunnel ?

Nuke · Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:39 pm

so i think, that would be not a problem to encrypt 500mbps~ with those cores?
or it will use one core per ipsec tunnel ?

I have almost the same question but on using it for pppoe without encryption. Will the pppoe service run on 1 core or will it create a new service for each tunnel. Would really like to replace my current servers if possible, they are big and power hungry.

geneb846 · Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:38 pm

It would be great to see a dual power option. Even better if it had 24/48VDC. All My high end equipment has dual power input. Heck, my core switch has four separate dc inputs.

shade · Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:03 pm

The ccr 1036 is faster than Intel i7 6 core 3.3Ghz?

Looking on "preliminary (RouterOS v6 rc) results for the CCR 36 core version" shown by normis, and comparing it with my BGP-server (xeon 2527 MHz, 4 core, ), I think CCR will be same or even worse performance than core i7 3.3Ghz...

morf · Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Here are preliminary (RouterOS v6 rc) results for the CCR 36 core version. Note that filter rules, including bridging and forwarding, will have fastpath support in one of the future versions which will bring it back to possibly wire speed for 64 byte packets (full duplex).

Double the numbers in the table to see aggregate (one packet coming in, one leaving):

Screen Shot 2012-12-11 at 1.05.20 PM.png

Not bad, not bad

roc-noc.com · Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:32 am

Still supposed to begin shipping this week. With only Thursday and Friday left, I think that means they are packing orders and they actually will ship.

TrollMan · Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:08 am

Thanks Normis for the pre-performance chart. How is the performance using queue trees instead of simple queues?

Also I was actually planning to use the CCR1036(SPF cages) as a domestic router when I get my gigabit fiber connected, how is the sound level of the fan? Is it server room sound level?

Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:11 am

Thanks Normis for the pre-performance chart. How is the performance using queue trees instead of simple queues?

Also I was actually planning to use the CCR1036(SPF cages) as a domestic router when I get my gigabit fiber connected, how is the sound level of the fan? Is it server room sound level?

During normal operation, fans are quieter than RB1100AHx2 fans. With heavy load they can become slightly noisier, but that doesn't happen too often (hard to load this device

)

asaleh75 · Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:08 pm

Pre-production samples for evaluation purposes will be available from Distributors, starting December 2012. Place your order for test units with your Distributor now!
What it means? Is it free?.

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:10 pm

No, it doesn't mean it's free. It means it will be in limited number, and with RC software.

asaleh75 · Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:16 pm

Any hardware change between Pre-production & production version?

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:23 pm

Any hardware change between Pre-production & production version?

No hardware changes. But as you know from other products that we make, we always make small hardware improvements, and development never stops. There are many small hw revisions for the RB750 for example. So I guess during the next year, it is possible that some small hw adjustments will be made, if this would be necessary.

shukko · Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:03 pm

Still supposed to begin shipping this week. With only Thursday and Friday left, I think that means they are packing orders and they actually will ship.

YAY YAY YAY!!!
GOOD NEWS!!!

My distrubutor said they will get them tomorrow

Paid for fastest shipping as possible

If everything goes to the plan I will get my CCR on MONDAY!

Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:18 pm

It looks more and more that Mayan calendar will end as soon as my CCR will start

tomaskir · Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:32 pm

It looks more and more that Mayan calendar will end as soon as my CCR will start

[offtopic rant]
The Mayan calendar isnt ending, its just a completion of a 13 b'ak'tun cycle. The fact that its ending is a pure fabrication...
[/offtopic rant]

[ontopic]
Yay, CCR!
[/ontopic]

asaleh75 · Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:41 pm

CCR i am waiting for you

shukko · Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:57 pm

CCR i am waiting for you

Let's see how will my CCR deals with 150k pps Syn Flood on Monday!
2xRB1100 dead under this pps at the moment

asaleh75 · Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:47 pm

CCR i am waiting for you
Let's see how will my CCR deals with 150k pps Syn Flood on Monday!
2xRB1100 dead under this pps at the moment

Dear shukko,
Waiting for your update.

tgrand · Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:48 am

I'm sure that the world will come to an end for some.
After all the world comes to an end for some at the end of each one of our calendar cycles.

Excessive partying!!!

Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 pm

The CCR that we are starting to ship, is going to be pre-loaded with RouterOS v6rc5, which is not the full release, and is not yet completely optimized to use full potential of the Cloud Core Router. These are some of the features we are working on for eventual release in v6

- fastpath support for firewall rules
- more optimized queuing
- fastpath for bridge filter rules
- multicore optimizations for IPsec tunnels
- hardware acceleration support for IPsec

The CCR device itself has a lot of potential, and software upgrades will make it better and better.

paoloaga · Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:17 pm

The CCR device itself has a lot of potential, and software upgrades will make it better and better.

Not a problem. Here we will start deploying it beside existing production infrastructure, test it, keep its firmware up to date, and when we feel it's mature enough, it will become part of the main infrastructure.

Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:16 pm

We are shipping in order of payment, so this means that not everyone will get them at the same time. Some will get them sooner, some later.

shukko · Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:19 pm

Update from my distributor:

They will send me my ccr on 21.12.12
This is the last and final %100 accurate date

So I hope to receive it before new year..

eurodk · Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:16 am

Update from my distributor:

They will send me my ccr on 21.12.12
This is the last and final %100 accurate date

So I hope to receive it before new year..

We will send it by today

we preparing now all ccr for all client who already pay for ccr. So our client will received today tracking number to track parcel. Happy new year for all.

eurodk · Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:50 pm

CCR1036 - 89.254.128.157 admin no password
here the ip, who want to connect and see ccr from winbox.
and http://89.254.128.157/

tomaskir · Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:02 pm

CCR1036 - 89.254.128.157 admin no password
here the ip, who want to connect and see ccr from winbox.
and http://89.254.128.157/

Thanks for sharing it!

eurodk · Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:07 pm

no problem, we will reset it if it will down by some user ))

eurodk · Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:59 pm

CCR1036 - 89.254.128.157 user eurodk.com pass eurodk.com
here the ip, who want to connect and see ccr from winbox.
and http://89.254.128.157/

shukko · Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:52 pm

We will send it by today we preparing now all ccr for all client who already pay for ccr. So our client will received today tracking number to track parcel. Happy new year for all.

My CCR is on it's way

Thank you very much eurodk!!!
I hope to get it on Monday. Let's see how it goes.

ffernandes · Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:12 pm

CCR1036 - 89.254.128.157 user eurodk.com pass eurodk.com
here the ip, who want to connect and see ccr from winbox.
and http://89.254.128.157/

are we seeing those tx/rx drops or just my eyes messing with me?

payday · Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:31 pm

There is no MetaROUTER. Will it be supported on CCR?

otgooneo · Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:35 am

CCR1036 - 89.254.128.157 user eurodk.com pass eurodk.com
here the ip, who want to connect and see ccr from winbox.
and http://89.254.128.157/

Please start your router again. Want to have a look. My ordered 2 routers will be arrived January.

eurodk · Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:16 am

Jeroen1000 · Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Yes thanks for letting us take a look. Really appreciated. You might want to sent out PM's instead of posting this publicly. I won't mess with it but someone might try:-)

Chupaka · Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:22 pm

Tools -> Profile show only aggregated load over all cores
the reason I wanted to see each core separately is that at the moment I connected via WinBox, there were 2 CPUs with 100% load

alexspils · Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:14 pm

2 cpu with 100 % - simply run btest to 127.0.0.1

may be it was my btest...

depe · Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:49 am

2 cpu with 100 % - simply run btest to 127.0.0.1 may be it was my btest...

and only 450 mbits without firewall rules ... or 310 both directions

Eurodk, could be possible put 30 firewall rules ?

BR

Demian

Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Btest runs only 1 connection. This is no measure of speed. Please use something more advanced, not created 10 years ago. I suggest serious traffic generator config.

kgninfos · Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:57 pm

can it handle about 2000 concurrent hotspot users (connected with LAN 1Mbps each)??
if yes what is the max limit

Dobby · Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:02 pm

Deleted because not related.

hl1ill · Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:45 pm

Hello,

I'm using CCR 16core as a Main L3 switch from ISP. my total bandwidth is 2G but CCR support only 1G port.
so i made bonding interface for uplink to ISP backbone router and downlink to my main ROS x86 server.
my ISP using Cisco Backbone grade router and they made LACP for 2 of 1G RJ45 connection to my Rack.

and also i made 2 of Bonding interface using CCR port 9,10 for My main x86 machine(rr mode) and port 11,12 for UPLINK (802.3ad mode)

at this moment, CCR work well without any issues. it handle 2.5~4Gbps traffic between x86 machine and internet.
but there are TX-packet drop on bonding interface .

and i don't understand why. please guide me to solve this issue.

P.S. RX-drop of x86 machine can ignore. it happend long time ago.
P.S.2 x86 machine handle 300 of c-class subnet

infused · Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:29 am

Getting crashes as soon as I plug my configured router in to my network. Nothing in the logs. Anyway I can find out what happened?

TrollMan · Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:08 pm

Getting eager to jump the gun on this, but my main concern is still sound, it will be in a ventilated closet at home, in the hallway. Thus how do you perceive the sound level of the 16 and 32 core units? It will replace a RB800 where the 800 was way to loud first until I modified it.
I think the 16 core would do, but I like the SFP cages....

raz · Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:42 pm

I need more Power, please add in future a SFP+ Support for 10 GbE this would be awesome!!!

btw nice job with current progress

jager · Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:00 am

Just received, both CCRs

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:46 am

Yesterday I received the CCRs, as you can see from my previous post. I was very happy and couldn't wait this night to install it. At this very moment, I'm sitting at our NOC. We just replaced our Core Mikrotik router with one CCR. The old router is quad core xeon Portwell server (Power Router 2200).
I expected the CCR will perform at least as the PR2200. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
I saved the configuration on the PR2200 and loaded it to the CCR. All what was left to be done was to match the IP adresses to the interfaces. After this was done, we removed all the cables from the PR2200 and plugged them into the CCR.
At this time (after midnight) we have very low traffic. So, we generated some traffic from my colleague's laptop. One simple torrent literally killed the CCR! I was disconnected from Winbox and the whole traffic simply stopped! This is strange, as the CCR's CPU usage was below 90% which should give enough space for winbox to stay active.
The problem was L7 filtering, which we used with zero problems on the PR2200. It's CPU usage was never above 20% with 5 times higher traffic and many times higher PPS!
I had to unplug both ethernet cables to our upstream providers to be able to connect to the router at all. Afer I switched off the L7 filtering, everything went back to normal. But, is it possible that the traffic from one laptop and traffic just above 10Mbit can kill the CCR regardless of L7 filtering? The packets per second was small as well...
Well, I can't say I'm impressed so far, until somebody gives some explanation about this.
I made a few pictures of the CCR LCD, so you can see what traffic is it about.

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:25 am

One small bug found:

For unknown reason, in the log the router reports that is has being rebooted without proper shutdown, but actually nothing happened?!

Uptime is still counting properly....

Here is the screenshot:

PatrickKan · Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:05 am

I had the same problem of "rebooted without proper shutdown" too experienced by jager. I caught this live while I was in a remote Winbox session. Funny thing was it wasn't a real reboot as connection wasn't broken.

hkd · Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:29 am

My CCR1036-12G-4S ~ v6.0rc6
can't get the fan speed by following command in NEW TERMINAL
/system health print

But my friend's CCR with same hardware and v6.0rc6 can do.

What's wrong?

doush · Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:48 pm

One small bug found:

For unknown reason, in the log the router reports that is has being rebooted without proper shutdown, but actually nothing happened?! Uptime is still counting properly....

Here is the screenshot:

@ jager
Yes I confirm that the same bug exists here too. Uptime counts, no reboots but log says that it rebooted.

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:03 pm

@doush

It looks like this is the same on all CCR's. We have two, and both have the same issue.
Well, as far as this is only a false entry in the log, that's fine

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:38 pm

Well, this is not acceptable.... Without router reboot or anything similar, the system name has reset to default (which is something I can live with). But, ALL users and their passwords have disappeared! The default admin/no_password user was present instead!!!! Very serious security problem, though. I set again the same users and disable the admin user. I hope so that this will not happen again. Since I'm using MikroTik (and it is really a long time ago) I never experienced something like this.

This happened while the BGP was started, retrieving the routes from 2 peers. I don't know is this connected, it actually should not be.

/system check-installation does not show any problem. LCD is set to "read-only".

Anybody with users reset problem, or is it only me???

Chupaka · Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:19 pm

for me it happened on x86. seemed like HDD was lost: no entries in /files, and admin's password reset to default. reboot - and everything is back

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:36 pm

Chupaka, thank you for your feedback!

I haven't rebooted the CCR, that's true. I just set the new users again. It will be a little strange for the one day old CC router to lose the flash, right?

Well, hopefully this will not happen again

jager · Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:32 pm

Guys, sorry for this many posts from me.

Unfortunately, the "user reset" happened again. This time I can't log in with either my username nor admin/no_password

Before this happened, I was logged in winbox. The log showed again that the router was rebooted without proper shutdown. After that I logged off, but was not possible to log in again.

Well, this is enough, I can't leave it as is for the New Year evening. We will revert back to the PR2200.

@doush
Do you use your CCR with the default admin user, with no password set up?

coffeecoco · Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:23 am

for me it happened on x86. seemed like HDD was lost: no entries in /files, and admin's password reset to default. reboot - and everything is back

this has happened to me a number of times, i thought my hhd was faulty now i think its ROS

Chupaka · Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:04 am

The log showed again that the router was rebooted without proper shutdown. After that I logged off, but was not possible to log in again.

Well, this is enough, I can't leave it as is for the New Year evening. We will revert back to the PR2200.

have you made supout.rif for support@?

jager · Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:10 am

@Chupaka

I tried to make supout.rif so many times, as the user reset issue happened 3 times before the router finally decided to lock itself! I of course rebooted it at the end, but without luck... Simply, after clicking the "Make supout.rif" button, it says that it is creating the file. However, the information box never closes, and the file is never created! I know it takes some time to create the file but if >30 minutes is not enough while the CPU usage is 3%, I don't know what to say....

doush · Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:55 am

@doush
Do you use your CCR with the default admin user, with no password set up?

Yes.Currently default. I will setup another user/pass and try with it to check if same happens

Btw;
There is a MAC-Winbox issue. It takes around 5-6 tries to get into the CCR.

jager · Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:03 am

Thank you, Doush.
It will be good to test this, if the same will happen to your CCR as well.

I experienced the MAC-Winbox issue as well, but I think it is Win7 related. Linux+Wine, no problem with MAC access.

Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:51 am

we are currently optimizing some features for multi-core and the issue for L7 and other features will be addressed with updates.

janisk · Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:46 am

those with missing configuration - re-install rc6 and recreate configuration either bu importing backup or export script. you should be fine, this could be caused by problem in rc5 that is fixed for rc6

Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:33 am

Thank you, Doush.
It will be good to test this, if the same will happen to your CCR as well.

I experienced the MAC-Winbox issue as well, but I think it is Win7 related. Linux+Wine, no problem with MAC access.

can you send us the supout.rif file on your CCR when you are running RC6 and have the L7 issue? We would like to see your config, and the issue itself.

n3c8 · Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:15 pm

Been playing with my CCR today, and hit a snag..... Why on earth do we only have a Max MTU of 6130? I run my core at 9000 generally, so the idea of using these in the core one day is completely kiboshed. Earlier Routerboards have had MTU of 9000+ for some time, why the change of heart....

Secondly, tell me this is a software limitation not hardware.

midsizewisp · Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:34 pm

Installed our first CCR this morning. Plug in one ethernet cable, all is good. Switch over the remaining cables from our RB1100AHx2 and the CCR starts rebooting. Remove cables, CCR stays up. CCR has RC6 on it.

There is no watchdog IP address on this router. Power cables were swapped, different power outlets were used, etc.

Any idea why plugging in ethernet cables would cause it to reboot over and over again?

Attila · Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:52 pm

Hello!

I received CCR-1036 today and successfully upgraded to v6.0rc6
The system health voltage monitor show 0.0V, is it bug or factory hw failure!?

Thx
Attila

rmichael · Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:20 pm

Been playing with my CCR today, and hit a snag..... Why on earth do we only have a Max MTU of 6130? I run my core at 9000 generally, so the idea of using these in the core one day is completely kiboshed. Earlier Routerboards have had MTU of 9000+ for some time, why the change of heart....

Secondly, tell me this is a software limitation not hardware.

According to Tilera, Ethernet MACs support jumbo frames of up to 10240 bytes

Sufyaldy · Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:05 pm

when will cloud router is marketed in our country Indonesia? we've contacted the distributor in November, they said that the month of December can be bought, but until the month of January is not there?

Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:26 pm

martini, bandwidth test is not any measurement for cloud core router. this was made 10 years ago, for routers of that time. I suggest you use something more serious, like the new Traffic generator. Or real traffic. You currently only use one core.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:20 am

martini, bandwidth test is not any measurement for cloud core router. this was made 10 years ago, for routers of that time. I suggest you use something more serious, like the new Traffic generator. Or real traffic. You currently only use one core.

Hi Normis,

Maybe remove btest from RouterOS, and have a default "Bandwidth Test" profile in the Traffic Generator.

That should reduce support requests

sx10 · Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:53 am

Installed our first CCR this morning. Plug in one ethernet cable, all is good. Switch over the remaining cables from our RB1100AHx2 and the CCR starts rebooting. Remove cables, CCR stays up. CCR has RC6 on it.

There is no watchdog IP address on this router. Power cables were swapped, different power outlets were used, etc.

Any idea why plugging in ethernet cables would cause it to reboot over and over again?

I'm having the same reboot loop, it started when I was changing vlan and bridge membership. Stops when I unplug all the cables. I just emailed support.

Is it really true that we can't run 5.22 on these things? The option is there to download netinstall, but I haven't tried it.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:01 am

we are currently optimizing some features for multi-core and the issue for L7 and other features will be addressed with updates.
Normis, we had to suspend the purchase of CCR36.
We are disappointed by performance.

NORMIS, you are sure that this performance problem on CCR36 will be resolve with updating software?
In our view, the instruction set of the processor does not have reserve to improve performance when working on Layer 7 level.
In our view Corei7 4C/8HT 2,5 Ghz will still be faster than CCR36, not only on the Layer 7, but also at other levels, including data encryption.

Yes, the matcher which takes care of L7 rules, is currently not optimised for multicore. You will get 36x the performance with software update.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:06 am

we are currently optimizing some features for multi-core and the issue for L7 and other features will be addressed with updates.
Normis, we had to suspend the purchase of CCR36.
We are disappointed by performance.

NORMIS, you are sure that this performance problem on CCR36 will be resolve with updating software?
In our view, the instruction set of the processor does not have reserve to improve performance when working on Layer 7 level.
In our view Corei7 4C/8HT 2,5 Ghz will still be faster than CCR36, not only on the Layer 7, but also at other levels, including data encryption.
Yes, the matcher which takes care of L7 rules, is currently not optimised for multicore. You will get 36x the performance with software update.

If you took a number between 10 and 30 it would be believable. Everybody who has done some parallel computing knows that multiply by the number of cores is way to optimistic.
36x is marketing we are tired of.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:08 am

I can't calculate it, so I made a generalization to that it's easier to understand.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:41 am

If anybody is interested in an early RC7 build, we have added it to development tester accounts. Others can request it in support, or find it in the usual place. Only a few fixes so far, not everything that is reported. We should be able to see reason for that "rebooted" message.

doush · Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:25 am

Installed our first CCR this morning. Plug in one ethernet cable, all is good. Switch over the remaining cables from our RB1100AHx2 and the CCR starts rebooting. Remove cables, CCR stays up. CCR has RC6 on it.

There is no watchdog IP address on this router. Power cables were swapped, different power outlets were used, etc.

Any idea why plugging in ethernet cables would cause it to reboot over and over again?
I'm having the same reboot loop, it started when I was changing vlan and bridge membership. Stops when I unplug all the cables. I just emailed support.

Did you get any feedback from Mikrotik support on this issue ?

I was thinking about replacing 1 of my core routers today with CCR but this one seems like a showstopper for us. This is the 2nd report so far.

Mikrotik ?

Attila · Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:09 pm

Hello!

Any news about CCR-1036 voltage monitor, is it bug or factory hw failure!?

Thx.

Attila

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:14 pm

Voltage monitor will be fixed in RC7

Attila · Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:36 pm

Dear Normis!

Thanks for your quick response.

Any ETA for the v6.0rc7 ?

Yours sincerely,

Attila

popcorrin · Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:34 pm

Just received my CCR and the touchscreen on the little lcd is rotated 90 degrees from the proper orientation.
The lcd displays correctly but I have to touch the left side of the screen to register a press on the bottom, the top is the left, and so on.

cbrown · Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:10 pm

Just received my CCR and the touchscreen on the little lcd is rotated 90 degrees from the proper orientation.
The lcd displays correctly but I have to touch the left side of the screen to register a press on the bottom, the top is the left, and so on.

Have you tried recalibrating the LCD?

popcorrin · Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:28 pm

Thanks, that fixed it.

honzam · Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:35 pm

Dear Normis!
Thanks for your quick response.
Any ETA for the v6.0rc7 ?
Yours sincerely,
Attila

RC7 is on prerelease page. You can testing - if you have access.
https://www.mikrotik.com/client/

alexspils · Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:12 pm

or here

x86 mipsbe tile these files are updated by mt from time to time until "final release" on web

Attila · Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:23 pm

Hello Again!

The CCR-1036 support SO-DIMM ECC RAM memory ?
(...like: Kingston SO-DIMM 8 GB ECC DDR3-1333 x2)

What type of SO-DIMM memory is the best for the CCR-1036 ?
(ECC vs. NON ECC, 1333MHz vs. 1600MHz)

Please help choosing between these...

Thx.

Attila

sx10 · Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:24 pm

Installed our first CCR this morning. Plug in one ethernet cable, all is good. Switch over the remaining cables from our RB1100AHx2 and the CCR starts rebooting. Remove cables, CCR stays up. CCR has RC6 on it.

There is no watchdog IP address on this router. Power cables were swapped, different power outlets were used, etc.

Any idea why plugging in ethernet cables would cause it to reboot over and over again?
I'm having the same reboot loop, it started when I was changing vlan and bridge membership. Stops when I unplug all the cables. I just emailed support.

Did you get any feedback from Mikrotik support on this issue ?

I was thinking about replacing 1 of my core routers today with CCR but this one seems like a showstopper for us. This is the 2nd report so far.

Mikrotik ?

Support is working with me, but it's still rebooting on RC7. Seems to be related to bridges, I have two bridges configured. It reboots as soon as I plug anything into the second bridge.

Dobby · Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:00 pm

Deleted because not related.

Attila · Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:58 am

Dear Dobby!

Thanks for your response.
I've got the same dilemma ECC vs. NON ECC.

Still waiting for official response about CCR-1036 and ROS ECC supporting...

What about the frequency 1333MHz vs. 1600MHz?

Sincerely,

Attila

MyThoughts · Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:17 am

We currently run an x86 based RouterOS systems for our core routers.
They were all custom built systems, and we are looking to upgrade for various reasons.

We want to make sure that whatever we install are at least as powerful.

Currently the systems are Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 based, with 2GB of ram.
The busiest unit runs our bandwidth control, and typically sees 20-25 % with spikes into the mid 30s on occasion. However this is all on one of the cores. So in reality the unit is seeing ~50% usage, as we have never really seen the 2nd core do much of anything.

We want to start adding in additional tasks. More packet prioritization, possibly using L7 rules.
When looking at the CloudCoreRouter specs they list performance metrics for routing with a handful of simple queues and firewall rules.

Would it be possible for Mikrotik to provide a sample config, that could be run by end-users to evaluate what we are using now. I would be interested in purchasing 4 of the CloudCoreRouters is I knew they would be faster then what we use now.

To put it in perspective one of our main units has ~900 simple queues, ~60 filter rules, ~60 mangle rules, and preforms some light NATing for a few local servers. Trying to guess how one of the CCRs would handle this same load without buying one isn't easy.

Dobby · Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:02 am

Deleted because not related.

rmichael · Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:17 am

We currently run an x86 based RouterOS systems for our core routers.
They were all custom built systems, and we are looking to upgrade for various reasons.

We want to make sure that whatever we install are at least as powerful.

Currently the systems are Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 based, with 2GB of ram.
The busiest unit runs our bandwidth control, and typically sees 20-25 % with spikes into the mid 30s on occasion. However this is all on one of the cores. So in reality the unit is seeing ~50% usage, as we have never really seen the 2nd core do much of anything.

We want to start adding in additional tasks. More packet prioritization, possibly using L7 rules.
When looking at the CloudCoreRouter specs they list performance metrics for routing with a handful of simple queues and firewall rules.

Would it be possible for Mikrotik to provide a sample config, that could be run by end-users to evaluate what we are using now. I would be interested in purchasing 4 of the CloudCoreRouters is I knew they would be faster then what we use now.

To put it in perspective one of our main units has ~900 simple queues, ~60 filter rules, ~60 mangle rules, and preforms some light NATing for a few local servers. Trying to guess how one of the CCRs would handle this same load without buying one isn't easy.

If you read ROS6RC6 thread you'll learn that MT has not started optimizing CCR for L7 yet. It appears that L7 engine is bound to one core only at this time. This is w/o a doubt a revolutionary product, however, like more experienced MT users said before me, wait till ROS version >6.10 for production ready product.

Dobby · Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:50 am

Deleted because not related.

nuskope · Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:05 am

HI all,
got my 2 CCR last week and shoved them into action.

so far happy with the CPU usage 3% compared to 20-40% on my old x86 'Mikro noc 8400's from titan wireless'

i am getting the '14:14:36 system,error,critical router was rebooted without proper shutdown error every 10-30 mins. I only noticed it in the logs when i logged into the router to see why my stg.exe graphs where showing 'red bars' (ie as if the router was down) but there was still full traffic though my network ect.
it does seem to cause some jitter.

What’s the current best method to do a BW test between routers
(i have a CCR on one site, and a CCR at another with a fibre backhaul between and want to test the link, i think the crappy modules provided by the supplier are hitting max packet count)

Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:35 pm

the "rebooted" error will be solved in RC7, check above for a link

shukko · Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:21 pm

My CCR finally arrived yesterday due to some problems in customs office.
Been waiting for it for the last 2 weeks.
I've been getting 150k/pps syn flood attacks recently. Let's see how my new CCR deals with them.
Normally my overclocked RB1100's die instantly before I can null route attacked ips.100% CPU and nothing works.
I wonder how my new CCR deals with the same kind of attack.
This is the first time I am waiting for an attack with such excitement.
and No I don't need any test attacks to my network

My attacker will do it sooner or later anyway ...

kapulan · Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:25 pm

The v6 version support this feater reserved to CPU cores to processing services? 6 core to pppoe server service, 3 core to routing etc...
How to add or/allocate the ROS the 36 cores to processing services ?

Other.:

The cloud core router have on board 24v power supply, using the sites telco style rack mount 27/54 volt power backup systems(cet,delta,efore,flatpack etc..) after the future make the ccr router dc power outlet connector the back-panel ( phoenix contact connector etc.. ? ), and add this feater, make the router redundancy power supply external dc source ?!

Regards

Krisztian

Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:53 pm

The v6 version support this feater reserved to CPU cores to processing services? 6 core to pppoe server service, 3 core to routing etc...
How to add or/allocate the ROS the 36 cores to processing services ?

Other.:

The cloud core router have on board 24v power supply, using the sites telco style rack mount 27/54 volt power backup systems(cet,delta,efore,flatpack etc..) after the future make the ccr router dc power outlet connector the back-panel ( phoenix contact connector etc.. ? ), and add this feater, make the router redundancy power supply external dc source ?!

Regards

Krisztian

Distribution over cores happens automatically, you can't assign them yourself. Not all features support multicore completely yet, each RouterOS v6 update adds more support, so with every release, the CCR is getting faster.

Attila · Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:24 pm

Dear Normis!

The CCR-1036 support SO-DIMM ECC RAM memory ?
(...like: Kingston SO-DIMM 8 GB ECC DDR3-1333 x2)

What type of SO-DIMM memory is the best for the CCR-1036 ?
(ECC vs. NON ECC, 1333MHz vs. 1600MHz)

Please help choosing between these...

Thx.

Attila

infused · Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:34 pm

Installed our first CCR this morning. Plug in one ethernet cable, all is good. Switch over the remaining cables from our RB1100AHx2 and the CCR starts rebooting. Remove cables, CCR stays up. CCR has RC6 on it.

There is no watchdog IP address on this router. Power cables were swapped, different power outlets were used, etc.

Any idea why plugging in ethernet cables would cause it to reboot over and over again?

This happened to me. Turn it off, plug all the cables in then turn it on... some strange bug.

infused · Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:39 pm

normis, is there any indication of when Metarouter will be supported on multi core routers? Or if this is even coming?

Cheers.

TrollMan · Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:46 pm

Dear Normis!

The CCR-1036 support SO-DIMM ECC RAM memory ?
(...like: Kingston SO-DIMM 8 GB ECC DDR3-1333 x2)

What type of SO-DIMM memory is the best for the CCR-1036 ?
(ECC vs. NON ECC, 1333MHz vs. 1600MHz)

Please help choosing between these...

Thx.

Attila

The Tilera CPU supports it from the DDR3 controllers onboars, so it should work.