Hello again infused,
You're completely missing the point.
If so, then I am sorry about this and should say please excuse me.
I know by my self that I have not so good English language skills, so please accept if I am not
really can declare some things and coming closer to the real point I want to.
Mikrotik are selling this now, for use in production.
As I see the situation right now and I am informed, please correct me if I am once more again wrong with this,
MikroTik was some times announcing a shipping date for the CCR series and many peoples were told them
back, please ship it now and we test it then stable or not, but we have our hands on this device and
can do some tests and/or be willing to report some issues or failures. And under this massively "pressure"
MikroTik was beginning the shipping of the CCR series, once more again only as I see it!
There is no non beta/alpha for these things to run on.
For sure I must consider once more again, but this is the first 64Bit RouterOS and the CCR series is a brand new
hardware architectural type never used before by MikroTik! And for me this indicates, that MikroTik was
porting the RouterOS from the MIPSBE or PPC platform basis to the Tilera one. And then this is the first version
of the RouterOS and also on top an new one, changing from ROS v5 to ROS v6. So three things were given:
1. The first 64Bit RouterOS
2. On a new hardware platform or hardware architecture type
3. The change from a version 5.xx to version 6.xx
Ok perhaps you and many other peoples see it in another way, for sure, but then we all were waiting until now or the next month before it will became true available to buy, perhaps you will prefer this way for sure it is another solution
to bring out a new device that is stable and also only if the RouterOS is stable enough. But then I give you the promise,
I don´t want to swear on it, but in this forum the most peoples should perhaps running wild at one point, because they want to take their hands on this device or plain want to test it out for their business, after seeing it in action at a MUM.
If there was a stable version to step down to, fine. But there isn't.
For sure this is the first 64Bit version ported from former hardware platforms to the Tilera one, there was never a
64Bit RouterOS available for the public, once more again never before. So they can´t offer those one.
And for sure I can assume that many peoples perhaps were thinking this device comes with stable hardware and software out, ready to use it in production. But as the user ste was declaring it and many other peoples were also
thinking; At first wait until hardware is running stable and at first wait until the so called "children illnesses"
are gone, for sure if you one of them who was not knowing this and you was expect that this device is production ready without any kind of issues or failure I can imagine that you are now a little bit angry, for sure.
This is being marketed as carrier grade. While the hardware specs might be, RouterOS 6 isn't.
But this is also or mostly pending were you are and what you take there fore as the point to compare.
If I or we have to pay 30.000 € or $30.000 for each device and MikroTik is a NASDAQ notated company
and Gartner or Tolly are watching each device launch, we will get our hands on those devices in the early of 2014,
perhaps. But for this money MikroTik is also able to hire a whole crowed of code writer to bring it false free out.
And the most thing I am very often stumbling on, is the following; Money for each device and the Software should be
often compared against other vendors, but the company size is often not counted in this game also, only in my poor opinion, MikroTik is a small company from Lativa with 80 employees, and not a global acting concern giant with 3000 till 20.000 employees, I think this should also be also recognized, counted and honoured.
Other routers do just as much as RouterOS. It's not some magical routing software. Mikrotik should have done more testing before release.
Magic is used by us in hogwarts, but not in technical companies that are producing routers, for sure.
But what will be the end of this? We get a new email with a link to the newest newsletter and that´s it then.
Ok perhaps many clients, customers and users prefer this methods and other vendors also doing this since they exist!
Let us see PC Engines the manufacturer of the Alix board series, they will not inform you until the middle of the next year
about their new Alix board series with GB LAN ports, for sure.
Or Ubiquiti is not prowling out that you will be able to buy the rest of EdgeMax during March or April this year and by the way we let run a Debian clone on this device you should now also, nobody is telling your before I swear.
Or Cisco is not bringing the information to you that they are assembling new WLAN Controller devices, after the buying of Meraki, for sure why should they all do so. But hey let us be realistic, if there is a new MikroTik device, the most peoples want to get their hands on and/or be willing to test it out, only in my poor opinion.
Perhaps MikroTik is or will also changing this in the future, but for sure there are also the same number of users who
want to know much about the newest devices from them.
People defending this annoy me.
So once more again, sorry for doing so, it was not in my attempt to bother with anyone here on this thread or in the whole forum, but I think each of us should be able to speak freely here, either what kind of meaning or stand point the user has.
You can't get away with this sort of thing in the enterprise world.
I will consider to 50 % to this. But each "first step" comes often with unknown things and problems you were not able to imagine before. And we are talking about MikroTik from Latvia and not about another company, from the so called world wide acting big 5, so where should be the problem now.
And Cisco is exactly one of this companies, for sure and where are their devices for wireless management and such as real wireless lan controllers are gone? Most of them were setted at EoL (End of Live) status, but after they were buying a very well known company with hard skills and knowledge in wireless lan assembling, we will see in the near future
perhaps some interesting devices for wireless lan I will bet for. So you see nobody is perfect.
And if I see that normis was answering at the 24th December to somebody some thing like this:
"If you do this or try out this it should working for you, I am at home now and I am baking Christmas cakes."
For sure I can´t imagine how many work they have to do at this time, questions and problems with the RB2011, with RouterOS v6 and the new CCR series. But on the other side I am very impressed about that they are bringing out
new device, because we are during a world wide crisis and the most other companies don´t do so or don´t like to inform us what they are doing.
And if other devices pending or based on the same hardware architecture, will be launched by MikroTik like a 8 Core Tilera for wireless lan management or a 9 core Tilera as a wireless controller or a 100 core Tilera with SFP+ support, it is much easier for them, because then the most issues should be gone away. And they are also more familiar with the new
architecture, as I see it. But perhaps they should try out also what you are "suggesting", don´t tell anything, all must be proofed before the launch, either hardware and software and then will should be informed at one day that this devices are available for us to buy.
