I understand your frustration ... it drives me mad too ... rb850gx2 is exactly what I need and I can't wait to get my hands on it ... anyway .. I do not find it a problem if mikrotik guys announce a product before it is actually ready ... it is good to know what is coming up in the near future. This makes planning easier.I would rather Mikrotik not announce products until they have production finalized, this is really annoying having a product with expected availability of April slip back so much .
Of what year?? I'm still waiting for the mAP...MikroTik expected date for RB850Gx2 is middle of June.
Of what year?? I'm still waiting for the mAP...MikroTik expected date for RB850Gx2 is middle of June.
Any new on this?Will the 850Gx2 have metarouter support or will it be similar to the RB1100AHx2, with no support?
Currently metarouter does not seem multicore capable.Will the 850Gx2 have metarouter support or will it be similar to the RB1100AHx2, with no support?
I'm beginning to think this wasn't a joke...Of what year?? I'm still waiting for the mAP...MikroTik expected date for RB850Gx2 is middle of June.
Me - the same!...Before I heard of RB850Gx2, I was hoping the CCR 9 core version can have a smaller factor for residential purpose.
In my eyes it is a very powerful router, from what the tech specs. are showing.the 850Gx2 will have enough cpu power? it has only dual core at 600mhz
Probably, but what year?Based on the RB953GS-5HnT announce -> availability schedule, I guess we'll see RB850Gx2 in September - October .. ?
I am quite sure that this would be not the problem for this router or RouterBoard.I got my first 10M/2M line in 2010, but now it's already 100M/40M for the same price.
This can be to much for a so small router, but lets see what is going on.My ISP is offering 300M/100M this year, and there will be 1G/1G residential service next year.
Same here. Sold away the EdgeRouter as everything I need to do (esp. Policy-based Routing) breaks offload (NAT acceleration) so NAT throughput drops to ~250Mbps.I have been eagerly awaiting this release. I get asked to do EdgeRouter all the time. I really prefer stay with RouterOS. Please get this out so I don't need to listen to the Ubiquiti fans.
Mikrotik has been working the last year or two on making all of their functions multi-core/multi-threaded because of the CCR design. The CCR is very parralel in nature and thus all their routing and engines needed to be adapted. They have come a long way and a lot of heavily used stuff is now multi-threaded and scales with cores. They have also announced that RouterOS 7.x will feature a new routing engine to extract even more benefit of using multiple cores.In my eyes it is a very powerful router, from what the tech specs. are showing.the 850Gx2 will have enough cpu power? it has only dual core at 600mhz
But I am more interested in the way MikroTik was writing code for the both CPU
cores to use them! If this is matching well and the both core will be used very
clever by RouterOS it could be a really fast router, if not..........
I know budget wise it still won't work, but the CCR1009 has a switch chip for the first 4 ports. It's performance is also easily 10x of the RB2011, but the price is also 3x to even 4x. The 1100AHx2 will also suit your needs easily, but that one is also 2.5x the price.Yeah agreed can't wait for this thing.
I have a couple of sites now where the 2011's are struggling a bit and for budget reasons don't want to go the CCR route as I want a device with a hardware switch chip.
Yeah. But unfortunately it has active cooling (a fan). Not an ideal choice for a fast broadband connection for a home...Haha nice . Didn't even notice the CCR1009 has a switch port , I just assumed it lacked it like all the other CCR's.
I think I pretty much found my replacement device for the 2011's now.
Next month I will try out the new Alix APU 1C4 together with RouterOS.Will we see RB850Gx2 this decade?
Nice delay, dudes. One week more without news and I will be buying an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter.
Lost 4 would be clients last week...I have been eagerly awaiting this release. I get asked to do EdgeRouter all the time. I really prefer stay with RouterOS. Please get this out so I don't need to listen to the Ubiquiti fans.
Please let me know how this works out as I have been interested in this option too, but was not able to find any performance or RouterOS compatibility information (not helped by MT deleting topics about it).Next month I will try out the new Alix APU 1C4 together with RouterOS.Will we see RB850Gx2 this decade?
Nice delay, dudes. One week more without news and I will be buying an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter.
The EdgeRouter series are also not so hot and fast as announced and spoken about
as I really see it right.
Yes it is really sad in my eyes, because those small x86 boxes are also very welcomePlease let me know how this works out as I have been interested in this option too, but was not able to find any performance or RouterOS compatibility information (not helped by MT deleting topics about it).
We all still waiting...In Italy MUM you say April.
You thing April 2014 or 2015?
I'm also interested in this. RB750/951 or RB2011 form factor but dual core and hardware crypto.Normis, are there any plans of also offering a complete SOHO WiFi router (similar to the RB951G-2HnD or the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN) based on this processor? This one does not have wireless nor any miniPCI card slots...
Please make it with miniPCIe card slot - that users can change card as needed (802.11N or 802.11ac)We do have plans for more powerful SOHO routers, but not based on this CPU, something else.
all our 802.11ac protocol products support 802.11n protocol for 5GHz bands. So you can have AP with only N just using configuration. Or you have AP that supports AC/N/A clients if you wish so.Please make it with miniPCIe card slot - that users can change card as needed (802.11N or 802.11ac)
Yes but your actual wifi routers:all our 802.11ac protocol products support 802.11n protocol for 5GHz bands. So you can have AP with only N just using configuration. Or you have AP that supports AC/N/A clients if you wish so.Please make it with miniPCIe card slot - that users can change card as needed (802.11N or 802.11ac)
No, they are just kidding with us. Embarrasing attitude to the customers.Any update?
Ah, good it hasn't been abandoned. You could have told us earlier... such a simple note. Awaiting it's inevitable arrivalThanks Quindor. Yes, we encountered an issue that needed to be fixed in the board design before we can start mass production. Sorry that this happened and pushed the previously estimated release date.
It looks like the RB850 has an appearance in the test rack.Have you done any (preliminary) performance tests on this baby?
that is an RB450 with FE ports. RB850Gx2 will have ports oriented in the same way as it is for RB450G. As there Ethernet ports are upside down as all Gbit interfaces.It looks like the RB850 has an appearance in the test rack.
http://forum.mikrotik.com/download/file.php?id=17804
The difference from the RB450G is the position of the port LEDs.
Next month I will try out the new Alix APU 1C4 together with RouterOS.Will we see RB850Gx2 this decade?
Nice delay, dudes. One week more without news and I will be buying an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter.
The EdgeRouter series are also not so hot and fast as announced and spoken about
as I really see it right.
Oh. Roc-Noc lead me astray with it's image and hope.that is an RB450 with FE ports. RB850Gx2 will have ports oriented in the same way as it is for RB450G. As there Ethernet ports are upside down as all Gbit interfaces.It looks like the RB850 has an appearance in the test rack.
http://forum.mikrotik.com/download/file.php?id=17804
The difference from the RB450G is the position of the port LEDs.
Sorry to mislead you. It's a placeholder to keep us google ready when they do finally ship. Everything in the description is just an educated guess from back in March when they announced it.Oh. Roc-Noc lead me astray with it's image and hope.that is an RB450 with FE ports. RB850Gx2 will have ports oriented in the same way as it is for RB450G. As there Ethernet ports are upside down as all Gbit interfaces.It looks like the RB850 has an appearance in the test rack.
http://forum.mikrotik.com/download/file.php?id=17804
The difference from the RB450G is the position of the port LEDs.
https://www.roc-noc.com/images/D/d-177-01.jpg
https://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/router ... plete.html
Great, can you bet 1pcs. RB850Gx2 for September 2014 ?September
not much breathtaking, but considering it will had similar to RB2011 prices, it will be WARMLY welcomed :=)What is the expected throughput increase of this router over the RB2011 ?
I must admit, I have to agree with you. I even say, it should have at least 3 times computing power to handle full duplex 1Gbit/s NAT.If RB850Gx2 will not be at least 2-3 times more powerfull than RB2011, don't even release it
well, as one of solution there would be rb850gx4 model with four-core SoC rather than twin core. 5W consumption instead of 2W don't big deal. or pick twin or four-core cheapest Tilera chips for bargain prices in bulkI must admit, I have to agree with you. I even say, it should have at least 3 times computing power to handle full duplex 1Gbit/s NAT.If RB850Gx2 will not be at least 2-3 times more powerfull than RB2011, don't even release it
Strange. I've checked my post, and there was no negative attitude, no hurrying of release, saying bad about the developers to "depress them", or asking a device specially for me. And of course, no personal attacks like in your post.What's with the negative attitude. Cursing or 'pressuring' on a forum will not make the products get released any sooner. If at all, it will actually depress the developers. Ask kindly, or just stay quiet. Please?
Also, don't 'demand' performance. These devices are not made for you specifically and are supposed to be used in a multitude of situations. Maybe it will fit your performance profile, maybe not. Next to that, instead of coming on here and demanding performance and whatever, why not do the math yourself! You did read all topics about it before posting right?.......RIGHT?
I'm sorry, but you know, this story about new 850Gx2 is from February's MUM Italy, when Mikrotik told us that will be released on April.What's with the negative attitude. Cursing or 'pressuring' on a forum will not make the products get released any sooner.
From April to end of September. Info from MUM slides...I'm sorry, but you know, this story about new 850Gx2 is from February's MUM Italy, when Mikrotik told us that will be released on April.What's with the negative attitude. Cursing or 'pressuring' on a forum will not make the products get released any sooner.
Since that nothing, maybe they realize that this router can't be competitive with that CPU and will upgrade something on it.
there nothing "competive" in RB850gx2. its just RB450g incremental update/re-birth.I'm sorry, but you know, this story about new 850Gx2 is from February's MUM Italy, when Mikrotik told us that will be released on April.What's with the negative attitude. Cursing or 'pressuring' on a forum will not make the products get released any sooner.
Since that nothing, maybe they realize that this router can't be competitive with that CPU and will upgrade something on it.
Is it finally out?RB850Gx2 is now in the products page.
Any plan to list the 'Performance Test Results' for this model ?
And if it is able to realize please make it with an miniPCIe slot that can handle a mSATA, WiFi cardPlease make it with miniPCIe card slot - that users can change card as needed (802.11N or 802.11ac)We do have plans for more powerful SOHO routers, but not based on this CPU, something else.
From my point of view this can be implemented in more then two RouterBoards!I'm also interested in this. RB750/951 or RB2011 form factor but dual core and hardware crypto.
If you want to try out something ok, if you are interested in testing or playing around withHello,
Is ROS running fine on the Alix board? I want to buy that board for my super-router project. Currently I need to NAT at 1gbps and my current hardware is not able to handle it.
Thanks.
+++++1 for this or maybe RB800 replacement with more powerful CPU.And if it is able to realize please make it with an miniPCIe slot that can handle a mSATA, WiFi cardPlease make it with miniPCIe card slot - that users can change card as needed (802.11N or 802.11ac)We do have plans for more powerful SOHO routers, but not based on this CPU, something else.
or a modem, that everyone with his needs will be served! Some peoples need a larger logfile storage,
a WiFi option or a remote access.
Because you say it?If RB850Gx2 will not be at least 2-3 times more powerfull than RB2011, don't even release it
??? What you want to tell them now really? If a device from MikroTik is not passing yourI must admit, I have to agree with you. I even say, it should have at least 3 times computing power to handle full duplex 1Gbit/s NAT.
But only 5 GB LAN Ports and not 10 of them!!!Now we devide that through 500 and thus this new device will have about 1,7x less performance then the RB1100AHx2.
Hm, I was not really setting it up in the meaning of this but more in this direction.+++++1 for this or maybe RB800 replacement with more powerful CPU.
Excellent, I will contact UK distributors. Any word on hardware encryption?We will start shipping it on Monday.
Already ordered mine from you guys!We will start shipping it on Monday.
Any performance figures to share ? Eg. NAT throughput.We will start shipping it on Monday.
+1Any performance figures to share ? Eg. NAT throughput.We will start shipping it on Monday.
any ETA?we are actively working on virtualization support for multicore RouterBOARD products.
it is already available, we have been shipping them to distributors for a few weeks alreadyStill no info - when. Normis - when it will be available? - RB850GX2 ?
GREAT that "already" ;Pit is already available...
Unfortunately, we don't do test for every single application. Above table is all we haveInterested in the performance of NAT on torrent traffic.
Any chance of KVM virtualisation on these boards?we are actively working on virtualization support for multicore RouterBOARD products.
This looks very promising ... what about added latency? rb1200 model had issues with added latency when using ipsec (3des or aes). This is the only hardware IPSEC accelerated fanless product in your current lineup so I am very interested to use it on remote branch offices that require ipsec but do not want the noise of fans your 1100ahx2 and ccr series make.We have currently tested IPsec on the RB850Gx2, and the result is 550MBps with 1470 byte packets
It started on x86, but it has progressed far beyond that. The code is actively maintained on multiple architectures, see: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/StatusKVM is inherently an x86-only technology - so I'd say definitely no.
You can already use KVM on RouterOS x86.
Try search shops on http://www.mikrotik.com/buyAnyone found any Westerm European distributors with stock yet?
Is this a software or switch chip limitation?for the moment it seems that it is the case that max l2mtu is at that value (1506)
We will check what can be done in this regard.
RB850Gx2 Switch-chip Atheros8327 (ether1-ether5), equal to the RB1100AHx2, CCR1009 series, etc...Is this a software or switch chip limitation?for the moment it seems that it is the case that max l2mtu is at that value (1506)
We will check what can be done in this regard.
Thanks
Any comment on this Mikrotik?RB850Gx2 Switch-chip Atheros8327 (ether1-ether5), equal to the RB1100AHx2, CCR1009 series, etc...
I bought the RB850 to be used with MPLS/VPLS, and is needed more than 1506, at least 1510 L2MTU with my setup, I was wrong to not check this detail, thus the garbage will be your destination.Specifically, what does this mean?
>your destination will be garbage.
I believe it is not a limitation of the cpu, the RB850 uses the same architecture of the RB800, Power Architecture e500v2 cores.Could be a limit on the CPU as well.
supouts will not help in this case. But no one can bar you from sending them inYeah, this is very likely a software bug because the switch chip can do it and the CPU architecture also has no problems with it.
Keep sending them support outs to get it fixed!
It's been a week and no solution yet.for the moment it seems that it is the case that max l2mtu is at that value (1506)
We will check what can be done in this regard.
Have any tested only NAT performance? How much Mbit?Can anyone tell us a test result with new RB850Gx2?
How much bandwidth can route with PPPoE and NAT?
Well spotted !How was that test performed with 1518 byte packets??
Janisk and what is this?no. it cannot be overclocked. 500MHz is the maximum you can expect from it using 2 cores.
Mikrotik response:@jeroen
If you're spinning it that way, you might as well consider TCP "overhead" and reduce the actual payload to 1460 Bytes. Or consider the overhead of any higher layer protocol and reduce the payload even further. That way of thinking is misleading when you're talking about throughput figures which are calculated at Layer 2, not the application layer
Anyhow, we're talking about Layer 2 throughput here (since that's what Ethernet is), and the payload size of Ethernet is 1500 Bytes for a standard Ethernet frame - period. Ethernet does not care about what it's transporting, it could as well be 500 bytes overhead and 1000 bytes net payload. It only knows "I am transporting 1500 bytes of whatever somebody loaded on my back". It's very much the same with a truck on the road - If it can carry 12 tons, and you only get to transport 10 tons of merchandise while the other 2 tons are the necessary packaging - it's still carrying 12 tons in total.
To get back on the L2MTU issue - interestingly ROS 6.22rc7 make matters even worse - after upgrading, L2MTU and max L2MTU are now 1502(!) ... just leaves me speechless... not even a SINGLE vlan works now as MTU/L2MTU is forced down to 1498.
It was never advertised and not in any manual or specification sheet. Only one mistaken post in a user forum.Do you mean that this revision cannot be fixes by software to use IPSec Hardware encryption?
If yes you have to think about money return, because this look like aaaaa veerry huge fraud. We are discussing this routerboard 8 months, and suddenly you are telling us that this is not real? Really ?
"What a mistake-a to make-a!"Boys, are you really not reading device's official specs befor ordering ?
Have you read this ? http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP ... encryption
1. yesFirst revision of RB850Gx2 will not have a IPsec encryption accelerator, as initially posted in this thread
Normis ... can you please answer these questions:
1. Is there going to be a revision of RB850Gx2 with IPsec encryption accelerator ?
2. When can we expect such a revision?
3. Will future revisions of RB850Gx2 still be fanless?
4. any other changes planned for future revisions that are not going to be included in first revisions (jumbo frames for example) ?
5. What IPsec throughput can we expect from the first revisions of RB850Gx2 without accelerator?
tnx in advance ...
JF.
Wow... I've been waiting all year for this!First revision of RB850Gx2 will not have a IPsec encryption accelerator
That would be great. It's more than most routers do with hardware encryption enabled.5. ~150-200Mbps
I have tested all types of encryption and the max I have achieved is 20mbps.5. ~150-200Mbps
Agreed. The IPSEC performance is awful. Both with PPPoE and L2TP I also only get about 20mbps. Am going to try to return these things. My RB951G-2HnD outperforms them.I have tested all types of encryption and the max I have achieved is 20mbps.5. ~150-200Mbps
What settings you have used ?
We have currently tested IPsec on the RB850Gx2, and the result is 550MBps with 1470 byte packets
Tunnel mode, aes-128, sha1, UDP traffic with 1450byte packetsI have tested all types of encryption and the max I have achieved is 20mbps.5. ~150-200Mbps
What settings you have used ?
OK, Great ! What about TCP ? Same settings ? Please share the result.
Tunnel mode, aes-128, sha1, UDP traffic with 1450byte packets
Can we get some info about second revision? It is almost 3 months since your post.1. yesFirst revision of RB850Gx2 will not have a IPsec encryption accelerator, as initially posted in this thread
Normis ... can you please answer these questions:
1. Is there going to be a revision of RB850Gx2 with IPsec encryption accelerator ?
2. When can we expect such a revision?
3. Will future revisions of RB850Gx2 still be fanless?
4. any other changes planned for future revisions that are not going to be included in first revisions (jumbo frames for example) ?
5. What IPsec throughput can we expect from the first revisions of RB850Gx2 without accelerator?
tnx in advance ...
JF.
2. hard to say, possibly within 6 months, but that is a wild guess
3. yes
4. hard to say, nothing specific at the moment
5. similar to any un-accelerated CPU at this frequency.
Can we get some more info about second revision? It is almost 3 months since your post.1. yesFirst revision of RB850Gx2 will not have a IPsec encryption accelerator, as initially posted in this thread
Normis ... can you please answer these questions:
1. Is there going to be a revision of RB850Gx2 with IPsec encryption accelerator ?
2. When can we expect such a revision?
3. Will future revisions of RB850Gx2 still be fanless?
4. any other changes planned for future revisions that are not going to be included in first revisions (jumbo frames for example) ?
5. What IPsec throughput can we expect from the first revisions of RB850Gx2 without accelerator?
tnx in advance ...
JF.
2. hard to say, possibly within 6 months, but that is a wild guess
3. yes
4. hard to say, nothing specific at the moment
5. similar to any un-accelerated CPU at this frequency.
Easyli buy from Exar some smaller crypto Chips and then solder them on each non-Tilera based RouterBoard and we get even on all RouterBoards hardware crypto acceleration for VPN!Can we get some more info about second revision? It is almost 3 months since your post.1. yesFirst revision of RB850Gx2 will not have a IPsec encryption accelerator, as initially posted in this thread
Normis ... can you please answer these questions:
1. Is there going to be a revision of RB850Gx2 with IPsec encryption accelerator ?
2. When can we expect such a revision?
3. Will future revisions of RB850Gx2 still be fanless?
4. any other changes planned for future revisions that are not going to be included in first revisions (jumbo frames for example) ?
5. What IPsec throughput can we expect from the first revisions of RB850Gx2 without accelerator?
tnx in advance ...
JF.
2. hard to say, possibly within 6 months, but that is a wild guess
3. yes
4. hard to say, nothing specific at the moment
5. similar to any un-accelerated CPU at this frequency.
I checked ipsec throughput RB850Gx2 with ROS 6.285. ~150-200Mbps
It would be grate to have real life test... Site to site ipsec with a GRE tunnel in it and routing between networks...Latest Mikrotik news 66 states that RB850Gx2 devices will now start shipping with HW encryption accelrated CPU. And 500Mbps AES througput should be achievable, sound like great news!
IMHO the new RB850Gx2 with hardware encryption should have been called RB851Gx2
Now If we want to buy the improved version of RB850Gx2 we need to ask our provider to know it's serial number
That's a good reason, but mind on customers. Now we have a problem due to this unchanged name of product. I see others manufacturers add a v2 or hardware spec 2 when they do a change like this."1" in the end will indicate that it has a wireless slot or card. + each change in product code results in new government certification for us, to import that product, so i'm against changing any names, especially in cases when there are no physical differences between boards.
This is just one small feature, and for 95-99% of customers it will be totally no difference. But those 1-5% that need it usually will know exatly what to look for in serial number.That's a good reason, but mind on customers. Now we have a problem due to this unchanged name of product. I see others manufacturers add a v2 or hardware spec 2 when they do a change like this.
The vortex suggestion of the K element in the name for future products it's a good idea.
What's a big or small feature is subjective to everyone's needs.This is just one small feature, and for 95-99% of customers it will be totally no difference. But those 1-5% that need it usually will know exatly what to look for in serial number.
The best MT reviews I've ever seen...First part of review RB850Gx2
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/obzor-Mikrotik-RB850Gx2
Part two have ipsec and l2tp performance test. Coming soon.
Thanks for the test results.Part 2, RB3011 vs RB850Gx2
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/testirovanie- ... 011UiAS-RM
RB850Gx2 in middle between old RB2011 and new RB2011.
Sorry, but I have just one RB850Gx2.I think the results would be more realistic if 2 RB850Gx2 where used for IPSec instead of RB850Gx2 <> RB3011.Part 2, RB3011 vs RB850Gx2
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/testirovanie- ... 011UiAS-RM
RB850Gx2 in middle between old RB2011 and new RB2011.