Tapatalk and Karma

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:02 pm

Hi all.

What happened to tapatalk? Or am I the only one who cannot join this forum via tapatalk?

What happened to karma values?

tomaskir · Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:47 pm

And where is the "Show unread posts" button?

Also, where is the option to change to prosilver and subsilver themes?
(not in the user control panel)

tomaskir · Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:55 pm

And since we are talking about this:
Why are "Your posts" (old "Show my posts") and other post-related buttons in different places?
("Your posts" hidden behind my name menu and other post-related menus hidden behind "Forum" menut)

Why are they even hidden behind menus?
These are the buttons I use the most on the forums, why decrease my productivity with adding additional steps to most used buttons?

Sob · Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:15 pm

Karma seems to be replaced by reputation and there probably wasn't an easy way to transfer scores.

On the positive side, they definitely did some improvements. The old/previous new look felt horrible, it almost hurt me to look at it, while this one is not that bad. I'm still not the biggest fan, but with some small tweaks (edit: updated) using Stylish, I can imagine living without subsilver2/prosilver. It's still maybe a little too bright, but perhaps it's just when compared to previous darker subsilver2.

Now the only thing that gets on my nerves is this annoying squishy top bar, as it seems to slow down initial scrolling on slower computer.

And I really hope that RouterOS syntax highlighting gets fixed soon.

Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:19 pm

Yeah, the top bar is really annoying on mobile phones where it takes too much space. On wide screeen the 1/3 of the screen is not used (gray bars left/right out of the active zone without text).
Again - changes have worsen the situation. This is not good.
The buttons are really misleading (arrow up/down for karma, arrow right for edit and + - also strange...).
Why I cannot see previous posts when writing the answer??
Why the writing window extends by line each time I press a letter?

Please, please, let us choose again some working theme, do not make us suffer with this!

Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:46 am

Most of the mentioned things are part of PHPBB, so this has nothing to do with the design.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:24 am

Normis, what exactly you were refering to?

Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:37 am

All things related to menu locations, menu names and editor are related to PHPBB 3.1. We can see the same with the default skin too.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:08 am

When tapatalk will be working again?

When karma values will be copied to actual reputation values?

tomaskir · Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:07 pm

Normis, all of these changes decrease my productivity on the forum.
Why are we sacrificing user-friendliness and usability to get a modern look?

We are even missing features which were present in the previous forums ("Show unread posts").

Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:19 pm

We have added the unread posts link. Tapatalk will return shortly. Karma will not return, because now with new "Reputation" you can vote for specific posts and there are many other new things.

Please report such problems, not just complain that the new style is bad.

Edit: Thanks, Sob, I have tried to apply your suggestions to the main CSS file. See if you like it better now.

tomaskir · Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:15 pm

Alright, here we go:

Problem 1)
Forums are not properly sized on higher resolutions and about 40% of the screen space is wasted.
This is using Win7, newest chrome, 1920x1080 screen.

att1.JPG

Problem 2)
"Show x posts" buttons are hidden behind menus and places inconsistently.
This adds additional clicks and waiting time (for menus to appear) compared to the old forum layout.

att2.jpg

Solution for 2)
Add something like this:

sol1.jpg

Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:21 pm

Sorry but PHPBB 3.1 any skin will have menus, including default one. I can change font, but I am not ready to re-write the forum software.
I can't agree about wasted space. It is much easier to read when sentence is not 50cm long.

http://xkcd.com/1172/

Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:33 pm

Normis:
It is much easier to read when the post is not 50cm long.

IMHO professionals do not care about "design's fireworks" on forum...we want information...fast and readable at first glance.
I do not want to scroll dozens screens instead of two-three.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:37 pm

Accessible information means readable text, if I have to move my head from left to right to read one sentence, it is wrong and not readable.
For specific problems, you can use 'Stylish' browser extension to customise font size and other things.

tomaskir · Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:48 pm

Ok, so basicly what you are saying is:
"We have decided on this because we like it and we are not willing to hear feedback.
Instead we are going to reply with links to jokes and just ignore our user-base."

Now Im fully aware that Im just expressing my opinions as well, and that most userbase might or might not feel the same as me.

What I am saying is: give me an option to choose.
Dont FORCE me into changing my work-flows; and dont make my decisions for me.

How about creating a poll where all of the forum userbase could express how they feel about the new forums?
How about letting your userbase decide what is better for them?

If the majority has no issues with the new forums, I will gladly shut up and adapt.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:08 pm

We have already fixed as many issues as possible, see above. The issues that we cannot fix I explained.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:23 pm

Removing old style means fixing ?

Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:25 pm

Removing old style means fixing ?

please read the whole topic. user Sob posted specific suggestions to layout. they have been implemented. Tomas said one link is missing in the menu, this is also fixed

"old" style is not supprted by phpbb 3.1.

Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:27 pm

Thank you for enabling the tapatalk again. It was very important for me.

If you would like to make text readable, publish the style with black background and light text.

Normis, you confirmed that prosilver could be implemented in 3.1 forum version few days ago:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... er#p464952

When it will be as option for us?

It is very disappointing that you were thrown away the karma. It gave to a reader some validity of the article that was written by high karma awarded person. I normally used it as some kind of soft filtering information. Now it is gone. It is a shame.

When the writing text window will stop to grow down with approximatelly 20 first written letters? Can it grow with the text instead jumping 20 lines down from the beginning?

Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:33 pm

Why I have in the browser everytime "(6)" written before the topic name on the window tab?

edit: I got it. Six notifications... ok, immediatelly deleted.

I am missing "my posts" in forum pop-down menu. - OK, I have it. It is under my name pop-down menu...

I do not understand how the list of members is sorted. Can you sort it alphabetically by default?

jspool · Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:45 pm

I don't know about the rest of us but I find new PHPBB skin is hard to look at. Contrast is not very good and was better when it was blue.

Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:05 am

What about https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/style/se_square/ style ?

Petzl · Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:25 am

I forced it to the old style, now even the old style is gone ...

NathanA · Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:38 am

Looks mostly fine to me, although I think I did like the blue better, but that's just a personal preference.

The only thing that confuses me is where the MikroTik logo and other brand-specific customizations went!

I am actually here to report a bug with the new forum, though: when I italicize words using BBCode like this (the words "like this" should be in italics here), they are not italicized. Bold and underlined codes work, though.

-- Nathan

EDIT:

Also, is it possible to do something about how much screen space the top bar takes up when my phone is in landscape mode? In portrait, it's fine, but in landscape, the search bar decides it needs to remain expanded or something, and this causes the elements on the right side of the bar to not have enough space and wrap down to the next line. I suspect this is probably a CSS issue where the screen width thresholds just need some tweaking.

Here are some screenshots:

(portrait -- looks fine)

Screenshot_2015-02-05-18-39-31 (Custom).png

(landscape -- too tall, takes up too much vertical space)

Screenshot_2015-02-05-18-39-56 (Custom).png

Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:57 am

We will work on those issues, thanks Nathan.
We have found some PHPBB 3.1 compatible styles, you now have a choice to use those also. Look in the "user control panel"

heislerb · Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:04 pm

I did not realize how bad the new form design was until I saw the previous post and changed my style to SE Square.

Thanks!!!

Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:02 pm

SE Square is much better. Thank you.

Why some replies of some users are in Tapatalk crossed out over all the text? It never was and it appeared by installation of phpbb 3.1. Can this be corrected?

Can you set "forum.mikrotik.com" as home instead "mikrotik.com"? It is annoying to press "home" link and get outside the forum...

Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:42 am

SE Square is much better. Thank you.

Why some replies of some users are in Tapatalk crossed out over all the text? It never was and it appeared by installation of phpbb 3.1. Can this be corrected?

Can you set "forum.mikrotik.com" as home instead "mikrotik.com"? It is annoying to press "home" link and get outside the forum...

We had to upgrade Tapatalk plugin too, maybe some new feature they have?
The "Home" breadcrumb is a new feature in PHPBB 3.1. We will see if we can somehow override this.

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:26 pm

Can you correct the crossed out text in tapatalk when written by new forum members group?

Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:58 am

Can you correct the crossed out text in tapatalk when written by new forum members group?

Tapatalk plugin has no such settings. We just enabled it.

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:15 pm

Just to show what is the problem:

It is linked to newly registered users group. If a user is member of this group, his article looks like shown. Once he stops to be member, his articles are without any problems but the old articles stay crossed out.

So for me it seems you should be able to find difference in database between the articles of one person that went out of newly registered users group and correct it for all.

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:54 pm

I understand the problem, but I suspect this is a feature in the app, not in our forum. Forum doesn't decide how these posts will be styled in the app.

Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:26 pm

I am sure that tapatalk plugin in phpbb sees some difference between the individual posts. You should be able to see them too. Or you want to say that the client's application decides about the text format randomly? I am using tapatalk with several other forums and there is no such behaviour on any of them.

NathanA · Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:50 pm

We will work on those issues, thanks Nathan.

Normis,

I have looked at the CSS and I know how to fix the issues I reported.

First, the italics BBCode uses the <em> tag, which gets reset in styles/Mobbern3.1/theme/common.css (line 6). Solution is to add this:

em { font-style: italic; }

...to styles/Mobbern3.1/theme/style.css.

For the top navigation bar formatting on smaller screen widths, part of the problem is that the theme developer appears to have assumed that the forum title will be shorter than "MikroTik RouterOS". You will need to make the following adjustments to styles/Mobbern3.1/theme/mobbern-responsive.css:

Add this to the @media (max-width: 380px) code block at the bottom to prevent the right float from wrapping down to the next line:
Code: Select all
```
#main-navbar { min-width: 380px; }
```
Delete line 541, which looks like this:
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```
  ul.topiclist>li.row dl.icon dt { width: 100%; }
```
Change the "max-width" on line 450 from 480px to 600px.
On line 421, remove the "ul.topiclist dd.lastpost" from the list of elements.
Delete line 420, which looks like this:
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```
  ul.topiclist dt { width: 85%; }
```
Change the "max-width" on line 392 from 560px to 700px.

Add a new @media block at the end:

@media (max-width: 570px) {
  ul.topiclist dt { width: 85%; }
  ul.topiclist>li.row dl.icon dt { width: 100%; }
  ul.topiclist dd.lastpost { display: none !important; }
}

These changes will make using the forum from the browser on a mobile handheld much more pleasant.

Thanks,

-- Nathan

<-- ...or not.

sanitycheck · Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:22 pm

In Tapatalk there is a feature called timeline (clock symbol second from left) that used to show posts from all categories in chronological order. It was convenient to browse all posts each day to see if there was something interesting to read. After the last forum and Tapatalk upgrades this option always returns No Topics. I hope this feature returns, or maybe there is something I can adjust to make it work again.

I choose not to log in to the forum with Tapatalk, so I may see something different from what other users see.

Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:23 pm

Is there any new incompatibility between the forum and tapatalk? I see the lists of the threads, but when I click on the thread, it marks the thread as "read", looks like it is trying to open the thread, but nothing will happen. It is not possible to read the forum now by tapatalk, since yesterday.

Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:25 pm

Maybe your Tapatalk app got an update? We did not touch the tapatalk or phpbb yesterday.

We plan to upgrade the theme soon, so any Mobbern Theme updates will not happen soon (that is about the other issue, not related to Tapatalk)

Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:54 pm

Most probably yes. Having version 5.8.3 now. Maybe the phpBB connector should be updated too.

Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:30 am

Normis, you probably did something, right? Forum was off recently for some time and now it works correctly. Thank you.

Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:35 pm

And now it doesn't work again. I even uninstalled tapatalk and configured it from scratch. It sees the unread list but cannot open individual thread. What is wrong? Other forums work fine so it is definitely problem of this forum only.

Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:36 pm

Webmaster says, he did nothing. Forum was down because of a DDOS attack, but that stopped.

Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:16 pm

Ok. And can you investigate the tapatalk problem?

Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:26 am

Normis,
maybe someone likes your new theme, but please, put back the possibility to use subsilver/prosilver or whatever it was before. I have nothing against expanding the options to select the theme who likes what, but please, do not remove what worked and what people have used.

This "new" theme is very inconvenient for me due to these reasons:

1) Very bright (white) with small letters. Hard to read.
2) When on Opera/Android, need to press 3times in the menu to get the "unread" list. At least one click more than before
3) Unread list has 8 items/scrren while previous "silver" had 13 items/screen.
4) It is not possible to jump to the first unread post in the topic. Need to open and press a button to jump there again.

I believe that you have broken the tapatalk by changing the schemes. Tapatalk still does not work.

Please, put back what worked, let it work and if you think it is necessary to change something, add the new things as selectable options. Otherwise you are uselessly making this forum unusable for freqeuent readers.

Please correct the broken tapatalk and put back the previous theme as a option.

Thank you.

Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:27 am

4) It is not possible to jump to the first unread post in the topic. Need to open and press a button to jump there again.

It is, actually, possible. Just click/tap on the topic icon. Not very intuitive, though, it took quite some to discover it works like this.

jebz · Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:33 am

Please add some quick links to the new theme. eg. Mikrotik home, firmware download, Wiki, with target of "new tab".

Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:56 pm

4) It is not possible to jump to the first unread post in the topic. Need to open and press a button to jump there again.
It is, actually, possible. Just click/tap on the topic icon. Not very intuitive, though, it took quite some to discover it works like this.

It really doesn't work for me in Opera / Android.

Sob · Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:01 pm

Clicking on thread icon to go to first unread post works in normal forums, but it does not work in lists like "New posts". It looks the same, but there's no link on icon.

And yes, standard theme as option would be nice.

evince · Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:56 pm

Trying to reply, and here is how it looks :

Hello,

You can download your firmware image from here : http://www.mikrotik.com/download

Then, just drop the file into your router and reboot it. Do not forget to upgrade routerboard too.

The difference between RB951G-2HnD & RB751G-2HnD is CPU and memory (in large)

Before restore your backup from RB751G-2HnD to RB951G-2HnD, upgrade the firmware to the same version.

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:30 am

Trying to reply, and here is how it looks :

Maybe better include a screenshot, as I don't understand what's wrong

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:51 am

Normis, are your web admins working on the option to enable the subsilver /prosilver original theme back and on corrections to correct what was broken on tapatalk?

It still doesn't work.

Thank you.

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:58 am

I really have no clue what causes Tapatalk problems. We have not changed PHPBB or the Tapatalk plugin in several months or more. I can try to upgrade the plugin.
We will give ability to change theme today.

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:00 am

The theme is back. Hooray!

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:45 am

Please check Tapatalk now

evince · Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:49 am

Hello Normis,

As you can see there is a problem with text formatting, We can see HTML tags.

Regards,

Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:58 am

Hello Normis,

As you can see there is a problem with text formatting, We can see HTML tags.

Regards,

I don't see that. It is all fine here. This is why I am asking for a screenshot, because you see something different

evince · Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:05 am

Here is a screenshot :

Regards,

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:10 am

Here is a screenshot :

Regards,

Can you tell me how you got to this? Maybe you used the new fancy "font selection" buttons, instead of Quote?

evince · Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:54 am

I did not use something special, i just woul'd answer with an URL and here is what appears

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:56 am

The forum has a Rich Text editor and you pasted some formatted text. Looks like not all tags are supported though. I will see if we can improve this part. Don't paste formatted text into the richtext editor for now.

Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:47 pm

Please check Tapatalk now

God bless you. It works. Please don't break it further. Thank you very much.

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