Mikrotik Certification test

infinet · Wed May 14, 2008 12:51 pm

Hello i have plans to take the mikrotik certification test, how hard could be?

thanks

GuJack20 · Wed May 14, 2008 2:18 pm

Really easy!

gustkiller · Thu May 15, 2008 10:19 pm

Really easy!

can you talk more about the the test?

gargamel · Fri May 16, 2008 11:00 am

I did the advanced test about 2 months ago - there were very few questions about routerOS itself,
more about networking in general - know your subnetting, port numbers (MT) etc.

All multiple choice - but they do throw in some tricky questions.

GuJack20 · Fri May 16, 2008 11:39 am

I took the certification test on november 07. It was about 1hour long, but to me seemed enough 35minutes. It was online and was covering basically all the RouterOS most used features. I think there were 23 questions (i think)...only about 3 were tricky, but most of them were straight forward...
Also networking average level knowledge is covered... IP basics, just a bit of OSI, etc... but the test maybe changed the time you're going to take it..

gustkiller · Fri May 16, 2008 3:17 pm

thanks gargamel and GuJack20

can u tell more about the most used features (featured) in the test? exemple: bgp? ospf? firewall rules? can u give some exemples?

thanks for advice

EgyCom · Fri May 16, 2008 9:40 pm

sorry for jump up

I want to know if Mikrotik Certification could be taking without the training, like Microsoft or Cisco exams.
Or as I heard that you must take the training before the test.

gargamel · Fri May 16, 2008 10:16 pm

yes egycom

you must take training first - if you fail the test you must do the training again before you can write again.
a bit of a pain, but that's how they do it.

Wed May 21, 2008 11:49 am

we can't really give certification to people we never met. we have to see how you work in reality in a class before we give you our approval. that's how a real certificate should be - something that can be trusted, not purchased.

Wed May 21, 2008 12:03 pm

I completely agree with Normis on this one!

I run training for a number of security vendors, and some of them literally do give it away for a fee. Others require you to do the training, and let you sit an open book exam, which tests not only your general knowledge but your ability to find the answer to a problem whilst under time pressures.

Wed May 21, 2008 1:34 pm

We did a training in Poland this year, which is very cheap to travel to from the UK. Even from Latvia I can get to UK for like 20 pounds.

titius · Wed May 21, 2008 1:41 pm

What about comming to serbia

.

Here mikrotik is very very popular, and people would like to see you here.

Wed May 21, 2008 1:57 pm

We had more than 500 people in Poland MUM. They came from all around the world. Many people used their cars to drive from Estonia, Czech Republic, Germany. Many used discount airlines to fly in from UK and USA.

All I'm saying is - there are +/- 245 countries (depending on where you live) in this world, and MikroTik can't come to every one of them.

lastguru · Wed May 21, 2008 11:06 pm

If there is enough demand to assemble a group of 10+ participants, you can talk with independent trainers (me, for example; you can drop a line to lastguru [at] gmail.com) to make training and certification at your location. I do not mind going to UK or Serbia, because, just as Normis said, the traveling is really inexpensive nowadays.

gargamel · Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:58 pm

Hi Normis

I did a training and test through Miro Distributions (South Africa) in the beginning of March and passed, I have received my (training) certificate from Miro, but still waiting for my Mikrotik Certificate. - They say it gets sent from Latvia and they haven't got it yet.

Does one qualify for a discounted price on products if certified?

Cheers

Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:05 am

Hi Normis

I did a training and test through Miro Distributions (South Africa) in the beginning of March and passed, I have received my (training) certificate from Miro, but still waiting for my Mikrotik Certificate. - They say it gets sent from Latvia and they haven't got it yet.

Does one qualify for a discounted price on products if certified?

Cheers

sorry, there is no discount for certified people. but you can start your consulting business, or get more certification to become a trainer yourself. also a certified person is required in companies that want to be distributors, which is also nice for you. and then - you could make a distribution yourself and get discounts

cybercoder · Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:11 pm

we can't really give certification to people we never met. we have to see how you work in reality in a class before we give you our approval.

please correct your slogan on logo to "routing the world we met before"

that's not logical. some specialist persons may be sick and can't sit on the class!
"that is my problem too!!!

"

otgooneo · Tue May 24, 2011 1:21 pm

Hi Normis,

Will you organize training in Latvia? I want to learn all about routerOS and be certified engineer of MT traveling once. I think better to learn in where RouterOS born.

Tue May 24, 2011 1:27 pm

MikroTik doesn't organize training anymore. We only organize Train-the-Trainer course to become a certified trainer. The MTC tests you have to pass at our certified training partners.

1nOnlyShaikh · Tue May 24, 2011 2:49 pm

MikroTik doesn't organize training anymore. We only organize Train-the-Trainer course to become a certified trainer. The MTC tests you have to pass at our certified training partners.

What about Pakistan Sir G?
My country is not listed in trainings and partners.
Think about it too.

Tue May 24, 2011 2:50 pm

we don't have any certified specialists in Pakistan who have shown interest in teaching. Hopefully it will change soon.

angboontiong · Tue May 24, 2011 2:59 pm

Normis..

we deployed more than 200 mikrotik wireless link on air with wds, eoip, mpls, WiFi setup, how can we be certify?

i believe we will more better for those just sit in the training for only 3 days courses.

it seem something not fair enough to us as Indonesia using Indonesia language. the next station will have to go china.

Tue May 24, 2011 3:05 pm

ask Indonesian trainers, they will be happy to do individual training in english, especially if it's for more than one person
edcwifi in china also does individual trainings outside of schedule. if you are really interested, you could call or email them and organize already

1nOnlyShaikh · Tue May 24, 2011 3:17 pm

we don't have any certified specialists in Pakistan who have shown interest in teaching. Hopefully it will change soon.

is it possible to get online training by some videos or some other stuff?
i am interested to get training and will be always happy to help anyone like me.

Tue May 24, 2011 3:22 pm

start with these:

http://gregsowell.com/?p=954
http://gregsowell.com/?p=957

1nOnlyShaikh · Tue May 24, 2011 3:56 pm

start with these:

http://gregsowell.com/?p=954
http://gregsowell.com/?p=957

I am on the way.
Thanks again, will be wait to get more.

usmans · Wed May 25, 2011 2:16 am

plzzzzzz come pakistan (lahore)

1nOnlyShaikh · Wed May 25, 2011 5:13 am

plzzzzzz come pakistan (lahore)

+1 vote

walterkeen · Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:14 pm

ask Indonesian trainers, they will be happy to do individual training in english, especially if it's for more than one person
edcwifi in china also does individual trainings outside of schedule. if you are really interested, you could call or email them and organize already

It sounds like Mikrotik's training mechanisms are seriously lacking. I'm finding myself in the situation of wanting to become certified, and have extensive background in MPLS/BGP as I work for a US based internet service provider. If I'm required to take a class for each test (and it sounds like it's questionable if you can not do the pre-requisites given adequate knowledge), I could easily incur 5k-8k of cost to take 4 tests. (MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCINE). I've got professional level certifications from Cisco and Juniper, which are closed book and proctored in a controlled testing facility(and they expire after 3 years).

Some of the consultants who provide training mention on their sites that testing is done online, after the course.

Is there any thought to changing either the pricing structure of certifications or make it easier to take the exams for people who are already well versed in routing protocols, and mpls. For example, we're using RB1100's and RB1200's as MPLS CPE devices. On all of them we're using MPLS, LDP, layer 2 and layer 3 vpn's. None of us are certified because of the requirement that you must take a class to even take the test.

I could understand it even if you required verification of another vendors cert (cisco/juniper/etc) to make sure the person does have other valid certifications, if you need to know that they actually know the protocols. But the current training/certification system in place seems rather ridiculous.

w0lt · Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:44 pm

You might consider starting with this book, which is oriented around the MTCNA certification.

http://learnmikrotik.com/index.php?opti ... cle&id=151

-tp

cbrown · Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:39 am

When certifications expire do you have to retake the course or just retest? Hopefully just retest.

luiscandia · Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:26 pm

You might consider starting with this book, which is oriented around the MTCNA certification.

http://learnmikrotik.com/index.php?opti ... cle&id=151

-tp

I'm ordering this book, because I'm planning my MTCNA test for the last week of February.

Does anybody has something to say about this book?

how difficult is the test?

cbrown · Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:30 pm

I read it in less than a day. It is perfect for the RouterOS beginner. The MTCNA test is very easy. The MTCWE was the hardest IMO.

brandonrossl · Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:19 pm

I bought and read it yesterday, but I was looking for more info and help/detail on mangle/qos/pcq rules that I can't seem to find anywhere. (my thread here in case you're feeling helpful: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=58703 )

Though it is a good book and the firewall walkthrough is one of the best I've read so far since it's summary is basically step by step from zero to set it up.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:04 am

I could understand it even if you required verification of another vendors cert (cisco/juniper/etc) to make sure the person does have other valid certifications, if you need to know that they actually know the protocols. But the current training/certification system in place seems rather ridiculous.

I don't understand your complaint. Just that you know JunOS doesn't mean you know RouterOS. The training is not about TCP-IP and protocols. It's about RouterOS specific things. Even if you have the highest level of Cisco certification, it doesn't mean you know how to Netinstall or how hw-frames affects Nv2 links.

cbrown · Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:13 pm

When certifications expire do you have to retake the course or just retest? Hopefully just retest.

What about this normis?

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:17 pm

When certifications expire do you have to retake the course or just retest? Hopefully just retest.
What about this normis?

For non-trainers: You need to attend a new training and attend the exam again. In three years, a lot of new RouterOS features will be made, this is the reason. If you can talk to your old trainer, maybe they can organize a "repeated" class where only the new features are covered, but this has to be arranged individually.

But if you are not a trainer, the certificate validity is not a big concern for you.

for trainers, some other rules are in place.

cybercoder · Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:35 pm

How we can hide some or all certificates from the list in public profile view, dear Normis?

uebi · Fri May 25, 2012 11:08 am

But if you are not a trainer, the certificate validity is not a big concern for you.

What do you mean by this sentence?? I always thought that it should be a big concern because of the prerequists to take advanced trainings?!?

The more important question to me is something I already asked your Support Team, but didn't get a 100% clear answer (I asked that long time ago so I believe it wasn't certain at that point of time). My question still remains the same: Do I have to recertifiy for ALL certificates I'm holding or just the most advanced??? If I'm holding the MTCINE certificate, which I'd like to take this year, I hope that in 3 years I don't have to take 3 classes again (MTCNA, MTCRE and MTCINE)?? I'm pretty sure that if someone can recertifiy for MTCINE than MTCNA shouldn't be a problem for that person, but taking 2 more classes (next to the MTCINE) would be a waste of time and money. Just like with Cisco a higher certification also prolongs lower ones. There wouldn't be many CCNPs around if they would have to take 5 exams every 3 years.

My personal oppinion is that it would be great if ppl who attended a course and certifiied there should be able to recertifiy online without attending the course again. There are two BIG reasons for my oppinion:
1. If somebody no longer uses RouterOS and therefore doesn't know what changed in the last 3 years, why should he recertify at all??
2. If so much changed and so many new features where introduced and he doesn't know anything about it, he won't pass anyway. So no problem that the value of the MikroTik certificates are in danger.

But as mentioned, first/inital certification shouldn't be possible without taking the training.

KR,
uebi

Fri May 25, 2012 11:31 am

Hello uebi,

If I'm holding the MTCINE certificate, which I'd like to take this year, I hope that in 3 years I don't have to take 3 classes again (MTCNA, MTCRE and MTCINE)??

It is not required to renew your MTCNA certificate to attend any of engineer level courses.

My personal oppinion is that it would be great if ppl who attended a course and certifiied there should be able to recertifiy online without attending the course again

You can agree on a shorter re-certification training course (covering new features implemented during last 3 years) with any of our Training Partners and take the certification test in the class under the supervision of a trainer.

Regards,
Edmunds

uebi · Fri May 25, 2012 11:46 am

Hi Edmunds!

Thanks for the quick reply!

If I'm holding the MTCINE certificate, which I'd like to take this year, I hope that in 3 years I don't have to take 3 classes again (MTCNA, MTCRE and MTCINE)??
It is not required to renew your MTCNA certificate to attend any of engineer level courses.

So an expired MTCNA allows somebody to attend an engineer level course?? I took my MTCNA and MTCRE last year, if I attend the MTCINE training this year I can reattend the MTCINE training in 3 years with an expired MTCNA and MTCRE (which is about to expire in 2 years)??? Only downside would be that I'm "just" MTCINE certified but no longer holding an MTCNA and MTCRE certification or will they still be valid?

Thanks again and kind regards,
uebi

Fri May 25, 2012 11:54 am

So an expired MTCNA allows somebody to attend an engineer level course?? I took my MTCNA and MTCRE last year, if I attend the MTCINE training this year I can reattend the MTCINE training in 3 years with an expired MTCNA and MTCRE (which is about to expire in 2 years)??? Only downside would be that I'm "just" MTCINE certified but no longer holding an MTCNA and MTCRE certification

Correct.

Regards,
Edmunds

uebi · Fri May 25, 2012 12:01 pm

So an expired MTCNA allows somebody to attend an engineer level course?? I took my MTCNA and MTCRE last year, if I attend the MTCINE training this year I can reattend the MTCINE training in 3 years with an expired MTCNA and MTCRE (which is about to expire in 2 years)??? Only downside would be that I'm "just" MTCINE certified but no longer holding an MTCNA and MTCRE certification
Correct.

Regards,
Edmunds

Ok, thanks for the clarification!

KR,
uebi

brointhemix · Tue May 29, 2012 9:07 pm

How many points do you need to pass the test? Is it the same for every test, or does it vary between certificates?

Thu May 31, 2012 9:13 am

How many points do you need to pass the test? Is it the same for every test, or does it vary between certificates?

Passgrade is 60% for every test.

Edmunds

cybercoder · Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:04 am

Dear Edmunds
isn't better to give an exam chance in one of engineering levels (only 1) to whom passed the MTCNA exam with more than 80%?

(with that i can do MTCINE exam test without hard sits

)

shahbazian · Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:01 am

plzzzzzz come pakistan (lahore)

Hi
I hold courses periodically in Persian at Iran; And if conditions are provided in other countries.

uebi · Wed May 29, 2013 11:32 am

So an expired MTCNA allows somebody to attend an engineer level course?? I took my MTCNA and MTCRE last year, if I attend the MTCINE training this year I can reattend the MTCINE training in 3 years with an expired MTCNA and MTCRE (which is about to expire in 2 years)??? Only downside would be that I'm "just" MTCINE certified but no longer holding an MTCNA and MTCRE certification
Correct.

Regards,
Edmunds

First of all sorry for necroposting

We are hosting 3 or 4 MikroTik Trainings with an official training partner this year. We did that quite often and as time goes buy, the certifications are going to expire and former training participants are asking us how to keep their certifications. I just want to ask if there are any (good) news regarding this topic or if the statement from above is still valid. The problem is that I told the former participants about how this is handled but some of them actually didn't believe that and the others were just laughing about this solution.

Will there be any change in the future (or have there been any changes already) that people who already have ATTENDED A TRAINING and passed the exam can renew it by passing an online exam just like at the end of the classroom training? Busy technicians don't wanna spend a lot of time and money by attending a training they just don't need as they are using MikroTik on a daily basis. Sadly MikroTik is the only vendor I'm aware of who forces people not just to recertify but to attend a training again, which is a hard point to justify when talking to possible training participants.

Big thanks,
uebi

uebi · Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:37 am

Just a short update for everybody who is interested:

After I didn't get a response here I opened a ticket, because I have to know a correct and up to date answer as we are hosting at least two trainings this year and I will be definitively asked this question (as everytime we are hosting a training). MikroTik has still the same opinion about recertification: If you want to keep your certification, you have to ATTEND a training AGAIN! Not just recertificate, but sit in an MTCNA training and learn again what an IP address is to keep your MTCNA certification (that's sponsoring the training partners I guess...). It's also still the same that a higher level certificate will NOT recertificate an MTCNA. So if you are MTCNA and made the MTCRE (for example), you have to attend BOTH classes again in 3 years.

This sucks so damn hard!
As MikroTik is the only company with this recertification policy I expect that it will also be the company with the highest rate of expired certification.

Hoping that someday MikroTik will realize that this is a verrrrrrry stupid policy...

KR,
uebi

Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:40 am

uebi during those three years, we have introduced plenty of new features, changed some commands, removed things and completely reorganized how queues work. it's not "just sitting". it is keeping yourself up to date.

you DO NOT HAVE TO RECERTIFY MTCNA if you have higher grade certificate. you must have misunderstood something.

uebi · Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:02 am

uebi during those three years, we have introduced plenty of new features, changed some commands, removed things and completely reorganized how queues work. it's not "just sitting". it is keeping yourself up to date.

Yeah, that's for sure. That's technology and that's how it is. It's the same situation for every vendor. The only difference is that other vendors say "Ok, try if you can pass it. If not it's your money you wasted on the exam fees." and MikroTik wants everybody to attend the training again, even people who don't need the training as they use RouterOS on a daily basis and are aware of those changes. I understand your point (somehow), but from my perspective (a host), it's incredible hard to justify that. There are a lot of people in those training who attended a CCNA training long time ago. At Cisco a lot changed as well, but within 3 years, they just go to Pearson and recertificate and don't attend the training again. If they are not aware of what has changed, they fail and should think about a new training, but at least they have the chance to proof that they are up to date.

If you would have an option in your member's area, that somebody who has a certificate that is about to expire can recertify by taking the exam again for let's say € 50,- or whatever, than it would be easy money for you and people would recertify. I he/she fails I'll be delighted to make a reservation for him/her for our next training

Think about that one!

you DO NOT HAVE TO RECERTIFY MTCNA if you have higher grade certificate. you must have misunderstood something.

I understood that correctly, we just have attendees who want to keep them both and they ask the same stupid question to me as I'm asking you. For a host it's just hard to tell anybody "Yeah, you know about NSSAs/PCQ/HTB/VPLS/whatever, now attend the MTCNA training for a couple of days of your precious time and give me some money to learn the basics." I just can't believe that somebody who passes an advanced training will ever fail in an MTCNA class, but still he has to attend it to keep that lower level certificate.

Thanks for your reply!

KR,
uebi

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:04 am

what do you mean "keep them both" ? if you have MTCRE, it is automatically assumed you have MTCNA. You don't need to show it to anybody, valid MTCRE includes MTCNA within it self, so to say. Even if you passed MTCNA 8 years ago, if your MTCRE is active, you automatically have MTCNA

edit: I noticed one thing where this could be needed - the consultant table. we will update the table, to show MTCNA if you have MTC-advanced

uebi · Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:10 am

what do you mean "keep them both" ? if you have MTCRE, it is automatically assumed you have MTCNA. You don't need to show it to anybody, valid MTCRE includes MTCNA within it self, so to say. Even if you passed MTCNA 8 years ago, if your MTCRE is active, you automatically have MTCNA

Yeah, that's true, but why do people write MTCNA PLUS their advanced certificate in their signature? They just want to. Doesn't make sense, but people still do that.
The other point which raises this question is that all your advnaced training outline PDFs say "Course prerequisities - MTCNA certificate". Now every average Joe starts asking...

Anyway, this point is not so important to me as the other point mentioned in my previous post.

Thanks!

KR,
uebi

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:13 am

what do you mean "keep them both" ? if you have MTCRE, it is automatically assumed you have MTCNA. You don't need to show it to anybody, valid MTCRE includes MTCNA within it self, so to say. Even if you passed MTCNA 8 years ago, if your MTCRE is active, you automatically have MTCNA
Yeah, that's true, but why do people write MTCNA PLUS their advanced certificate in their signature? They just want to. Doesn't make sense, but people still do that.
The other point which raises this question is that all your advnaced training outline PDFs say "Course prerequisities - MTCNA certificate". Now every average Joe starts asking...

Anyway, this point is not so important to me as the other point mentioned in my previous post.

Thanks!

KR,
uebi

Instead of the above, you could just clarify that they can write MTCNA in their signature if they want, even after more than 3 years, if they have other active certificates. What's more, "Course prerequisities - MTCNA certificate" works with expired MTCNA if you have MTCRE or similar.

uebi · Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:28 am

Instead of the above, you could just clarify that they can write MTCNA in their signature if they want, even after more than 3 years, if they have other active certificates. What's more, "Course prerequisities - MTCNA certificate" works with expired MTCNA if you have MTCRE or similar.

Ok, then I will tell that anybody who's asking me. No problem with that.
Writing MTCNA in the signature after 3 years contradicts with edmunds post that an advanced certificate does not extend the validity of an MTCNA...

Anyway, I'm a fan of your trainings and the certificates. The certificates also proof that the training has been held by a certified training partner and not by some wannabe. It's just the way the recertification process works that doesn't make me happy

KR,
uebi

cybercoder · Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:52 pm

Dear Mr Shahbazian
Tell me if there was MTCINE exam in Iran. I just need do exam. there's no problem with me and the course. implementing BGP & MPLS is the parts of my job in Cisco and MTK, Here is a deep conceptual view and no need to sit.

Regards

TowerRouter · Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:01 pm

As a long-time lurker I thought I would chime in on this. I have been contemplating training and trying to get my manager to agree but reading this thread I am very surprised to see a requirement to retake a classroom course if one wants to retain certification.

None of the supposed justifications will cut it with my manager nor anybody else who is used to the approach taken by Cisco, Juniper etc. etc. . Sadly this coupled with the lack of proper change logs and security releases may well have killed off my plot to introduce the CCR on our projects.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:06 pm

As a long-time lurker I thought I would chime in on this. I have been contemplating training and trying to get my manager to agree but reading this thread I am very surprised to see a requirement to retake a classroom course if one wants to retain certification.

None of the supposed justifications will cut it with my manager nor anybody else who is used to the approach taken by Cisco, Juniper etc. etc. . Sadly this coupled with the lack of proper change logs and security releases may well have killed off my plot to introduce the CCR on our projects.

Maybe you missed what I wrote, but you don't need to do this. It is a requirement only for trainers who want to keep teaching for longer than 3 years, and only applies to advanced classes.

P.S.: Does anybody really hire Cisco certified people who took their certification in the early nineties? Nobody cares if they remember anything, or know what's new?

TowerRouter · Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:22 pm

Maybe you missed what I wrote, but you don't need to do this. It is a requirement only for trainers who want to keep teaching for longer than 3 years, and only applies to advanced classes.

P.S.: Does anybody really hire Cisco certified people who took their certification in the early nineties? Nobody cares if they remember anything, or know what's new?

I think that you misunderstand. Like many companies in our field our policies require that we maintain certification on core equipment and the costs of doing so are rolled up into the projected total cost of ownership, so Mikrotik's policies regarding classroom training for certification / re-certification increase the total cost of ownership for us and negatively offset much of the initial cost advantage of the CCR!

The requirement that a classroom course is taken before sitting any of these tests for initial certification gives my manager impression that either the testing isn't very well developed or the requirement is simply a job creation scheme for trainers.

As regards hiring people with old Cisco certs.......... Cisco lets people certify / re-certify by simply sitting the tests so they make it quite affordable to keep certs current - unlike Mikrotik!

In fact it isn't the MTCNA that I am interested in - that seems to be a very basic cert and not even of the same status as the Cisco CCNA. Along with a colleague I was interested in the MTCINE cert but it seems that the course scheduled for New York may not be acceptable to our purchasing people anyway so we may have to wait for somebody with confirmed USA status to offer such a course.

uebi · Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:18 pm

Hi TowerRouter!

Luckily there's somebody here who understands me a bit

To me the MikroTik certification procedure seems to be in some sort of a beta state (still). I like MikroTik and use it for a quite long time now, but the certification stuff is just weird. I also sometimes received different answers through the forum and the support team.

Now at least two people think that it's a bad idea to force somebody in a classroom training to recertify

Anyway, when I get the chance I'll go for the MTCINE training but I already know that if I pass my certificate it will expire in 3 years. First of all is because I don't like the forced classroom policy, second is that I won't start to argue with some training partner about a shorter training just to refresh it (because the training partner wants to earn money and this idea from MikroTik(!) isn't the best one in this case...) and third is that my boss will NOT pay more than 1.000,- in 3 years for training/hotel AGAIN just to recertify the MTCINE (and 1.000,- for the MTCTCE as this is not covered by recertifying the MTCINE as I've been told).

So, for me it is a nice training and a good idea, but the implementation is bad...

KR,
uebi

Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:24 pm

At the end of the day, this results in better experts. We can verify in real life, that our certified people are actually knowledgeable and understand the software. It is no some synthetic exam nobody controls. We have personal interaction with these people for several days, and we can then vouch for their expertise.

It is wrong to compare this with Cisco CCIE. In their case, you still need to re-take the exam after 24 months, but their course costs much more, so comparison is not fair.

uebi · Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:35 pm

It is wrong to compare this with Cisco CCIE. In their case, you still need to re-take the exam after 24 months, but their course costs much more, so comparison is not fair.

Cisco also changes a lot in 2 years, but a CCIE just goes to a Pearson VUE testcenter in his region and takes the exam. That's it. He does NOT have to attend a classroom training again or do the lab exam every two years...

Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm

It is wrong to compare this with Cisco CCIE. In their case, you still need to re-take the exam after 24 months, but their course costs much more, so comparison is not fair.
Cisco also changes a lot in 2 years, but a CCIE just goes to a Pearson VUE testcenter in his region and takes the exam. That's it. He does NOT have to attend a classroom training again or do the lab exam every two years...

It still costs a lot of money to retake that exam. In the end, is the problem, the price, or the 3 days ?

uebi · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:08 pm

It still costs a lot of money to retake that exam. In the end, is the problem, the price, or the 3 days ?

Well, I'm not sure to about the CCIE written, but a single CCNA or CCNP exam (640-XXX or 642-XXX) is about € 150,- at Pearson VUE. That's not so much money.

The 3 days might be ok if it's a web based training (which would be cool anyway). Brocade has this as well. The problem is that there are not so many MikroTik Academies, Training Partners, MUMs, ... and under normal circumstances you have to travel. This means a flight, accommodation and the training itself. It's hard to justify that to your boss if you as a technician want to keep the certification valid and maybe the boss just won't allow it as this will easily pass € 1.000,-

KR,
uebi

TowerRouter · Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:20 pm

The CCIE is far and away beyond anything that Mikrotik offers - not even in the same league.............

From the comments in this thread and others my conclusion is that Mikrotik has a very basic curriculum outlined and an even more basic testing regime - thus the process is highly dependent on presence at the training courses. That might work well enough for those being introduced to networking via RouterOS but it is unnecessarily costly and inefficient for those of us who have other advanced certifications.

Like others before me I am now thoroughly frustrated!

uebi · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:00 pm

The CCIE is far and away beyond anything that Mikrotik offers - not even in the same league.............

110% true...

From the comments in this thread and others my conclusion is that Mikrotik has a very basic curriculum outlined and an even more basic testing regime - thus the process is highly dependent on presence at the training courses. That might work well enough for those being introduced to networking via RouterOS but it is unnecessarily costly and inefficient for those of us who have other advanced certifications.

If we are a hosting a training, then a lot of the attendees are pretty new to networking or are just self claimed experts. You know, entering an IP address via the Windows Control Panel is enough for some people to call themselves expert. To those guys training is good, although 4 days is by far not enough. Anyway, those guys WILL fail if they just retake the exam 3 years later without using RouterOS on a regular basis - definitely! If you sit them in a training AGAIN they might pass. The bad thing is that the current policy wants people who really now their way around in RouterOS sit next to them and idle for 4 straight days just to retake the exam. Those people should have the chance to do it without the training, just like the Huawei, Juniper, Microsoft, Cisco, ... certified people.

So to me the MikroTik certification track becomes more valuable if there will be a less time and money wasting way to recertify.

KR,
uebi

PS: I already have a bet going that after 3 years at least 3 of our former training attendees who passed the exam will come along with an expired certificate and tell that they just haven't got a chance to recertify. Due to the current policy and possibilities that's and easy excuse and you have to accept it...

shahbazian · Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:33 am

Tell me if there was MTCINE exam in Iran. I just need do exam. there's no problem with me and the course.

Hello dear

Our MTCINE courses will be held in August in the Urmia. You can participate in this course and take exam.

Here is a deep conceptual view and no need to sit.

You need participate in that course to take the exam.

Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:43 pm

those guys WILL fail if they just retake the exam 3 years later without using RouterOS on a regular basis - definitely! If you sit them in a training AGAIN they might pass. The bad thing is that the current policy wants people who really now their way around in RouterOS sit next to them and idle for 4 straight days just to retake the exam. Those people should have the chance to do it without the training

Yes, but how will you know the difference between those two types of people

?

uebi · Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:59 pm

those guys WILL fail if they just retake the exam 3 years later without using RouterOS on a regular basis - definitely! If you sit them in a training AGAIN they might pass. The bad thing is that the current policy wants people who really now their way around in RouterOS sit next to them and idle for 4 straight days just to retake the exam. Those people should have the chance to do it without the training
Yes, but how will you know the difference between those two types of people ?

By letting them take an (online) exam to recertify. If they pass, they have been working with MikroTik for sure, if the fail (and want to keep their certification) they should/have to attend a training. It's that easy

wildbill442 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:10 pm

How does one obtain the Mikrotik Certrified Trainer certification?

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:32 am

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.

uebi · Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:57 am

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.

If you want a high security testing environment than you'll have to move to Person VUE, Prometric or whatever.

All the vendors who offer online certification (for example Extreme Networks for the ENA is one of them afaik) have to face this "risk". Anyway, I never said that the first time somebody wants to get the certificate they should have the option to do it online. This is your chance to meet them when the attend the first official training, but recertification should be possible either by taking the training again or by an online test. You still have the chance that somebody might ask somebody else to use his account to recertify but first of all I think this will be a very rare case, second is that you should write that in your policy that you revoke all existing certificates if you find out and third is what would be the actual problem?? Right now it's not like a MikroTik certificate is a guarantee for a 250.000,- job and as long it is that way I believe you could live with this tiny risk. Anyway, if somebody fakes it and says he/she knows stuff that he/she doesn't, than the employer (and his karma) will punish him...

TowerRouter · Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:51 pm

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.

For Cisco and other certifications the person's ID is checked at the testing center. Like it or not, Mikrotik's current certification system is simply unattractive to many experienced network engineers.

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:56 pm

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.
For Cisco and other certifications the person's ID is checked at the testing center. Like it or not, Mikrotik's current certification system is simply unattractive to many experienced network engineers.

We don't have testing centres. Therefore we can't have online tests like you propose. We can either have them at the training class, or online from user's home. As you can see, second choice is not an option really.

uebi · Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:10 pm

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.
For Cisco and other certifications the person's ID is checked at the testing center. Like it or not, Mikrotik's current certification system is simply unattractive to many experienced network engineers.
We don't have testing centres. Therefore we can't have online tests like you propose. We can either have them at the training class, or online from user's home. As you can see, second choice is not an option really.

Sure you can have online tests. Either via your own portal like the practice test or something like certmetrics etc. The first option is more flexible of course and I'm sure that this is indeed an option! I just still don't get what you are afraid of? My idea is still the same: First a training (as a must), the first certification at the training, 3 years later for those people who are certified through their initial training the chance to recertify by doing your online exam (just like during the training) from home. Other people who didn't attend the training should not have access to this option if this makes you feel more safe.

So simple and you do have some proof of identity as they first certified through the official training. There won't be a billion MTCINEs out there after changing your policy.

TowerRouter · Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:22 pm

Online tests are often taken by somebody else.
For Cisco and other certifications the person's ID is checked at the testing center. Like it or not, Mikrotik's current certification system is simply unattractive to many experienced network engineers.
We don't have testing centres. Therefore we can't have online tests like you propose. We can either have them at the training class, or online from user's home. As you can see, second choice is not an option really.

Or you could make testing available through the same independent testing center networks as other vendors use! The current system may be simpler for Mikrotik but that is exactly what creates the ridiculous scenario of a professional network engineer being expected to spend 3 days in a course for the MTCNA before he/she can even be allowed to sit in yet another class for one of the more advanced certifications.

Come to that, if you have confidence in the testing then the existing testing partners / trainers could administer the exams without training for an exam fee. That might actually encourage existing professionals to certify up to a certain level and then take a course for the likes of the MTCINE.

Anybody who thinks that a Cisco CCNA needs a 3 day course to sit the MTCNA is seriously delusional!

uebi · Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:32 am

Sorry for necroposting (again), but I just wanted to update my status...

I just realized that I'm no longer listed as a MikroTik certified consultant. I was wondering why and contacted the MikroTik sales team.

A very friendly guy told me the reason is because my MTCNA has expired. Well... I told him that I'm aware of that, but I'm still holding two advanced certifications (MTCTCE and MTCWE) which aren't expired! He then told me that the policy says I have to hold an MTCNA as well to be a consultant, which means I have to redo my MTCNA although I'm currently holding two advanced certifications! So we are back where we started. MTCNA is expired and the advanced certifications are now (more or less) useless or somehow half-valid. The are still valid and I can call myself an MTCWE, but I'm not allowed to call myself a consultant, which makes them worthless. Does this make sense in any way to anybody??

Anyway... I'm 100% sure that I would pass the MTCNA exam right away, but I'm not going to travel somewhere, I'm not sitting 3 days in a training and I'm not going to sponsor somebody just to support this stupid certification policy.

I'm also canceling my plans to go for the MTCINE and will never ever do any MikroTik certification again. If anyone of my customers asks why I'm not certified (anymore) I'll point him to this thread and I'm sure he will understand me.

Anyway... I'm using MikroTik since 2.7 and I still like you guys and your products, but your certification track is so f@#*ing broken!!!!!

KR,
uebi

Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:14 pm

Hope they will not delete your post. Fingers crossed. Anyway, the certification can be useful when applying for a project but when you have good reputation and your customers have good experience with you, there is no need for this.

uebi · Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:50 pm

Just for the record: It was a mistake and my status as consultant has been reenabled. MikroTik finally confirmed that the MTCNA can expire but as long as the advanced certification is vaild you will keep the status. Everything else wouldn't make sense anyway as I originally critizied.

Thanks and have a nice weekend everybody
uebi

Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:07 am

Lucky you.

tiagofrota · Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:58 pm

Hello guys. I'm Brazilian but actually living in Saskatoon - SK, Canada.
I work for a small I.T company and by the cost benefit of the Mikrotik routers, we start to suggest it to our clients.
I have been working in around 10 or more projects to small and medium business with your routers, and I'm falling in love by Mikrotik products.
As I had to study a lot by myself, I thought should be a good idea to take a MTCNA exam.
I just find out that it will be impossible to do at the city I'm living.. so I wonder why you guys just don't make it easier to everyone and offer exams on registered centers as Microsoft and Cisco already does?
By the way, I'm Microsoft certified for server and hyper-v, which I took studying by myself.

Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:10 am

MikroTik certificates can't be bought. You must (this is a requirement) attend the 3-4 day course at an official MikroTik training center, so that a certified MikroTik expert can evaluate you in person.

"Registered exam center" doesn't do that.

tiagofrota · Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:22 pm

I can't change Mikrotik certification method myself, but I don't think this is the most efficient way!
You guys are losing with this line of thinking.
Why not give an opportunity to i.t providers in medium and small cities, to have certified professionals and offer a better and trusted service to their clients.
Again, this is just a suggestion. I will keep studying and take a Mikrotik certification as soon I have chance. Until it happen, why not get a CCNA which is possible cause any Certified Exam Provider at my city offer that.

fcalderab · Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:30 pm

uebi during those three years, we have introduced plenty of new features, changed some commands, removed things and completely reorganized how queues work. it's not "just sitting". it is keeping yourself up to date.

you DO NOT HAVE TO RECERTIFY MTCNA if you have higher grade certificate. you must have misunderstood something.

Hi there. I'm a Cisco CCNA certified from 6 years ago (recently I renew my cert.) and I'm also a MTCNA Mikrotik certified. In Cisco, if you earn a higher certification, it renews your lower certs for 3 more years, and gives you 3 years on the higher you have. But in Mikrotik, till now, I don't know how it works... I'm a little confused after the reading of this topic. So, If I take MTCWE certification, I earn 3 year as a MTCWE certified guy, but I loose the MTCNA? Or Mikrotik works like Cisco, giving me 3 more years of MTCNA either? Please let me know, because I have 1 more year before my mikrotik cert expiration...
Thanks in advance,

Francisco Javier Caldera

Chupaka · Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:06 pm

if you have MTCRE, it is automatically assumed you have MTCNA. Even if you passed MTCNA 8 years ago, if your MTCRE is active, you automatically have MTCNA

loveman · Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:09 am

How can i get the test exam for MTCWE before going to online exam?

Quared · Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:41 am

Hello,

no double-posts please ...

Check my post here

greets

morgan87 · Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:00 pm

Trainers in Kenya asking for as much as 900$ for MTCNA alone, this equates to a whole degree in a public university in our country. But the mission is routing the world isn't it.

morgan87 · Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:02 pm

Shouldn't Normis (Mikrotik) please come up with a standard charge for the training per certification or other criteria. Paying 900$ for training that lasts 2 days is not logical.

sindy · Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:08 pm

Checked the prices here, something like 350 $ for MTCNA theoretical + practical in two days where official average salary/wage is around 18000 $ brutto per year. Comparison to university fees is misleading as university education funding policies differ significantly per country. What's the official brutto salary/wage in Kenya? That should be a better indicator of how audacious the training price is.