HAP AC

marcodor · Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:25 am

Hello!

Any news when announced in April product HAP AC will be available to customers?

Thanks!

efaden · Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:18 pm

Actually looking for one also.

marrold · Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:24 pm

The excitement is building

edzikk · Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:51 pm

Any news about the release date of the HAP AC?

G2Dolphin · Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:12 pm

Any news about the release date of the HAP AC?

November approx.

deanMKD1 · Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:00 pm

I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??

Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:17 pm

I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??

where did you see that? specs are not announced

rohaantje · Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:48 pm

I dont understand why hAP AC will have only 160 mW output power? Why reduce the output power from 1000 mw to 160? Also CPU is only 650 Mhz, that is too poor for this time we live..

Normis, why you dont make hAP AC with 1000 mW Wireless power like 951Ui, 951G and RB2011UiAS??
where did you see that? specs are not announced

how: http://bfy.tw/286K
here: http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-hap-ac.html

deanMKD1 · Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:51 pm

Yes as user tell, i see the specs for hAP AC on lanmark.ru
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-hap-ac.html

So specs listed here are not correct ?

Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:33 pm

taking in count the cost (cheaper than rb951ui) can be the hap ac lite not the full version

deanMKD1 · Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:41 pm

What will be cheaper then rb951ui ? HAP AC ??

i talking about hAP AC not lite model.

honzam · Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:52 pm

diferences:
hAP AC lite - 5 fast ethernet - No SFP port - 650Mhz CPU, single chain 5Ghz AC
hAP AC - 5 gigabit ethernet - 1x SFP - 720Mhz CPU, 3chain 5Ghz AC

deanMKD1 · Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:15 am

I expected 1Ghz Dual Core for hAP AC version..

Also, what is wireless output power in hAP AC?

ronniee · Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:24 am

No new information annonced yesterday at Turkish MUM about hAP ac/lite, thats mean the products will not be available until november/december Q4 (in best case).
The RB3011 it seems is ready, maybe will be released at MUM Indonesia in 2 days.
But hAP ac, cAP dual band, NV3 when?????

Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:46 pm

I expected 1Ghz Dual Core for hAP AC version..

Also, what is wireless output power in hAP AC?

that wil be good for some implementations but increasing the cost

keep in mind some vendors has dual band ac equipment around 200US, i think mikrotik its aiming for 100US for full hap AC version and that is difficult

maybe dual core cpu and ac radio will increase power consumption too much to allow a 24v passive poe to work reliably

deanMKD1 · Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:27 am

Price for hAP AC will be ~150$ i suppose.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:25 am

Price for hAP AC will be ~150$ i suppose.

i hope will be 100US, ubiquiti has announced an ac1200 (2x2:2) dual band AP for 89US (its available on some sites)

iwikus · Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:58 pm

Delayed again??? Mikrotik, why announcing product when it is not available for nearly ONE YEAR. So sad

Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:10 pm

We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.

doneware · Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:18 pm

We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.

is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added

Balmungmp5 · Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:24 pm

We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.

Out of curiosity, are you able to elaborate at all on what is the biggest hold up for the release?

G2Dolphin · Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:27 pm

is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added

I think this is about GPON SFP.

Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:42 pm

is it somehow related to this?

What's new in 6.34rc1 (2015-Nov-06 15:50):

*) new product support added
I think this is about GPON SFP.

No, GPON is supported already, any RouterBOARD device with an SFP port can plug and use, regardless of RouterOS version

darkmanlv · Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:30 pm

waiting for it too.... living 800 meters from office of Mikrotik in Riga and still no hap ac

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kiler129 · Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:34 am

waiting for it too.... living 800 meters from office of Mikrotik in Riga and still no hap ac )

Hmm... maybe you can try giving them pack of donuts and while they eat you can stealthily get one of these test units?

aa007 · Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:36 pm

Is there any information about approximate date? It would be perfect if it would be out till the end of this month as we will definitely need a lot of them in december.

Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:01 am

looks like we are close, some guy publish this photos on facebook

hapac1.jpg

hapac2.jpg

hapac3.jpg

deanMKD1 · Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:39 pm

Where you see this images on fb ? Can you post link ? Is customer or some mikrotik stuff ?

pescobar · Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:41 pm

is there any news about the availability and price of hAP AC? I would like to purchase one of these....

cpliu903 · Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:14 am

When time release ?

Valerio5000 · Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:40 pm

Led wireless is one ?

1 for 2,4 Ghz and 1 for 5 Ghz

Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:59 pm

Led wireless is one ?

1 for 2,4 Ghz and 1 for 5 Ghz

Two LEDs, next to each other, different colors. Can be configured or disabled one by one

deanMKD1 · Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:35 pm

@normis release time ? Will be out this year ?

darkmanlv · Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:34 am

still waiting from september, please tell ~ release date....

cpliu903 · Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:55 am

still waiting from september, please tell ~ release date....

me too. who know ?

Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:19 am

i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik

why i think that??

mikrotik have many AC devices for PtP and PtMP scenarios, even launching unannounced products like sxt lite ac

launching "new" wlan-wifi devices performing worst than the old rb951Ui

here we are, waiting for the first dual band AC wlan-wifi ap from mikrotik 2 years after the first generation of ubiquiti

meanwhile ubiquiti is already shipping their second generation 2

i think the only recent success of mikrotik on wlan-wifi arena is the hAP lite, and is because their price not because was innovative

ronniee · Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:30 pm

you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?

Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:31 pm

you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?

Sorry but it will not be ready this year

gintsmurans · Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:32 pm

I am sorry to hear that, I am also waiting for mikrotik ac router for a while already. Had to buy Asus router for office, instead. Is it going to be out next year january, february or there are no even approximate date yet?

Zorro · Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:59 am

i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik
why i think that??

yeah, RadWin, Raytheon, Harris is better choice in your case. good luck !!
whyever you "think" - please do it less louder. and perferably somewhere else. tnx.

Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:41 am

i think wlan-wifi market is not a priority to mikrotik
why i think that??
yeah, RadWin, Raytheon, Harris is better choice in your case. good luck !!
whyever you "think" - please do it less louder. and perferably somewhere else. tnx.

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik

mavink · Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:31 pm

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik

Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution. You get enough RAM to run just about anything you want, a decent CPU, SPF port and a set of nice powerful radio's.

Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:39 pm

i like very much mikrotik devices, with rb951Ui i have very successful implementations but the problem is people very often requesting 802.11AC or at least dualband.

im not very happy of installing 100+ dualband ap of other vendors across 2015 when all i want to install is mikrotik
Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution. You get enough RAM to run just about anything you want, a decent CPU, SPF port and a set of nice powerful radio's.

you are rigth

unfortunately available local legal resellers dont sell that parts in my country, for enterprise customers in my country is not an option to buy hardware online because legal, tax and guarantee issues, and in my country buy from international resellers plus the time taken in my country to get international orders across customs can be as 30 calendar days.

kiler129 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:19 am

Combining a RB922UAGS-5HPacD with a R11e-2HPnD will work just fine if you're looking for a Mikrotik solution.

Unfortunately not for 802.11ac solution, since if you place R11e-5HacT inside mPCIe slot provided you have 5Ghz a/n + 5Ghz ac.

Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:36 am

He wrote to put 2hpnd into 922 ac board. What's wrong with it? It is the solution but not elegant and quite expensive.

kiler129 · Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:07 am

Ough, I got the model number wrong, but it's still just 2x2 802.11ac - hAP AC is 3x3 so, something we want.
I wish MikroTik will catchup and release 4st. AP with MU-MIMO. Qualcomm have at least two suitable solutions: QAC2300 and QCA9990.

Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:27 am

Ough, I got the model number wrong, but it's still just 2x2 802.11ac - hAP AC is 3x3 so, something we want.
I wish MikroTik will catchup and release 4st. AP with MU-MIMO. Qualcomm have at least two suitable solutions: QAC2300 and QCA9990.

im not sure if hAP AC is 2x2:2 or 3x3:3 on 5ghz radio

i thing som AC functionalities (mu-mimo, 160 channels, beamforming) will be not massively deployed at least not in 2016, think about it a lot of recent AC client devices are 1x1:1, that maybe push a motivation for mu-mimo off course if clietn devices support it

i think the big deal of AC is to massively migrate to 5ghz spectrum on 40mhz and/or 80mhz channels

kiler129 · Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:57 pm

hAP ac is 3x3. Speaking about beamforming some APs supports that already (e.g. Apple Airport Extreme). MU-MIMO is something I wait for mostly

xlvii · Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:52 pm

Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?

VeixES · Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:26 pm

Eagerly waiting for 802.11ac(5Ghz) home access point from mikrotik. Would be nice addition to the RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN already doing the grunt of 500/500Mbit home network routing.

Complete package based on RB911G-5HPacD would be a good start

If the product only needs paperwork approved and it does not change the technical specifications of it, then maybe you could release the info on web so the itch to buy something else would go away

honzam · Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:32 pm

As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

mavink · Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:17 pm

Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?

No, 802.11ac will be a lot better, even with a single antenna. With 40 MHz of bandwidth you can get a theoretical data rate of 200 Mbps, versus 150 Mbps for 802.11n; but 802.11ac can also use 80 MHz for a 433 Mbps data rate. In some cases/countries you can even go up to 160 MHz.

Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:24 pm

Let me get this clear, so on configuration with 1x antenna, 802.11ac on 5GHz is no better than 802.11n?
No, 802.11ac will be a lot better, even with a single antenna. With 40 MHz of bandwidth you can get a theoretical data rate of 200 Mbps, versus 150 Mbps for 802.11n; but 802.11ac can also use 80 MHz for a 433 Mbps data rate. In some cases/countries you can even go up to 160 MHz.

802.11n 2x2:2 40mhz sgi 300mbps datarate ~71dbm signal needed

802.11ac 1x1:1 80mhz sgi 433mbps datarate ~63dbm signal needed

wojtekCDR · Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:18 pm

As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

Not maybe, for sure

We will get them on friday probably.

kiler129 · Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:21 pm

@wojtekCDR: Maybe you have some inside information about hAP ac ;>

honzam · Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:09 pm

As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year
Not maybe, for sure
We will get them on friday probably.

Please do some inside photos in Friday and add to your web.
Thanks

deanMKD1 · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:17 am

AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL

cpliu903 · Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:47 am

AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL

As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

Why routerboard always provide 10/100Mbps Ethernet ports? too outdated.

And what's specifications for hAP AC ??

honzam · Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:07 am

Because this in my post is AC Lite
hAP AC have Gigabit ports

cpliu903 · Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:30 am

you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?
Sorry but it will not be ready this year

Please speed up to release hAP AC !!! Jan 2016 ?? Feb 2016 ??

mavink · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:05 pm

AC Wireless with 1/100 mbps LAN ports.. LOL

As cdr.pl say. Maybe hAP ac lite will be sold this year

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac_lite.pdf

Why routerboard always provide 10/100Mbps Ethernet ports? too outdated.

And what's specifications for hAP AC ??

The "non-lite" HAP ac will have gigabit ports, an SFP port and 3-chain 802.11ac. In other words: that is the one we're all waiting for

deanMKD1 · Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:06 pm

you think hap ac will be released until christmas?
or only before MUM Europe 2016 +/-1year ?
Sorry but it will not be ready this year
Please speed up to release hAP AC !!! Jan 2016 ?? Feb 2016 ??

Dec 2016 will be enough time to get out HAP AC i suppose.

Liodakis · Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:04 pm

I already got a few hAP ac lite (952Ui-5ac2nD).

I guess we will have also hAP ac really soon.

Zorro · Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:51 pm

late yanuary 2016 suggested "earliest possible" by some ressellers, but thats just a guess, so i presume thats february, march will be more realistic time for HAP AC.

cpliu903 · Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:00 am

I already got a few hAP ac lite (952Ui-5ac2nD).

I guess we will have also hAP ac really soon.

how about wireless performance ?

honzam · Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:38 pm

Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?

Zorro · Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:19 pm

Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?

would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was

cpliu903 · Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:48 am

Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?
would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was

Does hAP ac support MU-MIMO feature ?

Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:40 am

Mikrotik say in PDF so hAP AC is 2,4Ghz - dual chain and 5Ghz - Triple Chain
http://gregsowell.com/wp-content/upload ... eumum3.png

In this review say - RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT
It mean 2,4Ghz-triple chain, 5 Ghz-triple chain.
http://mikrotik.co.id/artikel_lihat.php?id=164

What is true? Mikrotik PDF or this review?
would be cool.
but i doubt that device - will benefit from 2x or 3x setup much, cuz its imply Much more powerful SoC to enjoy it by router :/
but maybe i wrong. and i hope i was
Does hAP ac support MU-MIMO feature ?

i dont think so

recommended reading

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless ... prime-time

Tri-band and MU-MIMO don't improve range
Neither "tri-band" / Smart Connect nor MU-MIMO contain technology designed to extend range. Both are primarily designed to improve total bandwidth use.
MU-MIMO routers requires MU-MIMO devices and only improve throughput for 5 GHz downlink (router to device) and strong signals. You need at least two MU devices to see any benefit and you get the optimum throughput gain with 3 MU devices.
"Tri-band" (actually tri-radio) routers work with all devices and work up and downlink. They use two 5 GHz radios so slower devices can be directed to one radio, faster devices to the other. "Smart Connect" technology is supposed to automatically direct devices to the proper radio. But many devices don't like being told what to do and stubbornly stay on a radio, slowing down faster devices.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless ... u-wifi-joy

kiler129 · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:07 pm

MU-MIMO is available from 2nd generation of 802.11ac I think, while hAP AC will be for sure 1st gen.

ronniee · Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:34 am

but the 720MHz 1core CPU isn't slow for this router?
is the processor the weakness of this product?
regarding the Indonesian article the CPU usage at 100Mbit was 40%, but we expect 600-700Mbit-1Gbit routing, can serve such traffic?

Siona · Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:55 pm

Do you really need 1gbps routing in small soho router/dual band ap you can buy for $100?
In Poland we used to say "Takie rzeczy tylko w Erze" it means: "it's impossible but every one wants it".

gamernorbi · Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:05 pm

Does this router has HW NAT?
My ISP is RCS RDS from Romania and my internet speed is 1Gbps over PPoE.
Does it goes WAN to LAN 1Gbps.I had other expensive routers but they only go up to 200-250Mbps becuase of lack of Hardware Acceleration.

gamernorbi · Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:09 pm

My ISP is RDS from Romania and I have the 1Gbps package.Does this router has HW NAT?I mean hardware acceleration to support 1Gbps WAN to LAN PPoE type.

VeixES · Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:35 pm

It's 2016

No need to withhold the release of this nice product any more

kiler129 · Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:01 pm

@ronniee: hAP ac is aimed at SOHO market. I think it will route fully loded radios, but without fancy queues or few dozen firewall rules.
Don't forget about FastTrack/FastPath

I personally see two use-cases - SOHO router in place of crappy TP-Link/D-Link/other or ordinary WAP controlled by more beefy router.

spippan · Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:41 pm

2 0 1 6

an still no hAP AC

waiting hard for this little guy to replace my RB2011...

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:42 pm

My ISP is RDS from Romania and I have the 1Gbps package.Does this router has HW NAT?I mean hardware acceleration to support 1Gbps WAN to LAN PPoE type.

There is no ros running device with hw nat support. But there is better thing in all devices with ros: fasttrack.

doneware · Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:54 pm

at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD

spippan · Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:24 am

at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD

yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:05 am

at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD
yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released

i think the good news are the cost

makes me dream about a hAP AC full at 79us

spippan · Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:17 pm

at least the lite version is here:
hAP ac lite
Dual-Concurrent 2.4/5GHz AP, 802.11ac, Five Ethernet ports, POE-out on port 5, USB for 3G/4G support
$49.95

http://routerboard.com/RB952Ui-5ac2nD
yeah but no gigabit, single-chain 5GHz, .... and so on.
i'd love to see the hAP ac (regular) finally released
i think the good news are the cost

makes me dream about a hAP AC full at 79us

now THAT would be great.
hoping they will have the paperworks through soon .... can't wait longer to claim a hAP AC ...

syntxerr · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:54 pm

Sorry but it will not be ready this year

Normis, do you happen to have any details - I mean anything? Are we looking at Q1, Q2? Do you guys not have a clue yet due to regulatory issues?

Ive been holding off but am starting to roll out other 5g APs / routers for customers in condo units as their 2.4 is just too crowded!

ronniee · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:26 pm

It would be to good for 79usd.
The RB951G(no SFP, single wireless card) price is 79,95usd, of cource this price can be dropped or upgraded the 3 years old hardware.

More realistic price for hAP ac is 89 or 99usd.
If there are some frequency regulation problems for US, why can't be released the International(EU) version earlier?

Maybe(I hope) in the same time Mikrotik are working on a dual band version of cAP with 3 chain ac & 3chain b/g/n with gigabit port/ports version also.

Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:58 pm

Maybe(I hope) in the same time Mikrotik are working on a dual band version of cAP with 3 chain ac & 3chain b/g/n with gigabit port/ports version also.

good idea, many projects dont need:

sfp port
4 additional ethernet
1 poe output
1 usb port

cpliu903 · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:09 am

now THAT would be great.
hoping they will have the paperworks through soon .... can't wait longer to claim a hAP AC ...

We have it and it works fine. I have one right in front of me. But some paperwork takes longer than usual.

Hi normis, when time finish paperwork? Jan or Feb ? We have waited for too long.

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:47 pm

i think mikrotik have ceased to announce, comment or tease new devices or launches until they are ready to release them

now they are simply announcing releasing products when the product is ready to ship

BigDavid · Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:58 pm

Well that's fine for unannounced products, but the HAP AC was announced MONTHS ago. It's a bit late now to start saying they don't provide information on products.

Quite frankly, the whole situations starting to take the p*ss really. How many people here held off buying a router from a competitor based on the imminent "Q3 2015" HAP AC? It wouldn't be a problem if back in September, Mikrotik had said "you know what, we're having major issues getting this certified, it probably won't be ready unil 2016". Instead we've constantly been led to believe that release is just around the corner, and now (when they've probably run into further issues that they don't want to let on) we're being stonewalled. Stringing customers along like this is wrong, plain and simple!

jmontero · Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:24 pm

More neews about availability?

spippan · Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:27 pm

Sorry but it will not be ready this year

any news mr. nice guy?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:34 pm

... Just reapply the term "this year"...

Archibald2403 · Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:00 pm

I have a little problem with routerOS upgrade on RB952Ui-5ac2nD.

Router has 6.30.4 and I would like upgrade to 6.33.5.

There is only 16MB of flash and 12MB is used by system.
Anyone knows how to upgrade system when size of packages is about 7MB?

If packages are in RAM, upgrade doesn't work.

spippan · Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:38 pm

EDIT:
down below a short hint on how you could do it
BUT... i guess this thread is the wrong thread for update/upgrade related questions

I have a little problem with routerOS upgrade on RB952Ui-5ac2nD.

Router has 6.30.4 and I would like upgrade to 6.33.5.

There is only 16MB of flash and 12MB is used by system.
Anyone knows how to upgrade system when size of packages is about 7MB?

If packages are in RAM, upgrade doesn't work.

on the router you wish to upgrade:
make a backup

/system backup save ([-optional-]name=backupfile)
/export verbose file=BackupExport

save the files locally OFF of your routerboard! (IMPORTANT)

get netinstall
get your desired npk update package
flash your RB with the new firmware
re-apply your backup
verify desired functions

and that's it pretty much

hope that helps

whitbread · Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:49 am

I would rather tend to deinstall packages not needed; this frees up lots of memory and storage.

16 MB is not sufficient for all packages. I can accept that on hap lite but not on hap ac lite...

R1CH · Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Any news on how the certification process is going?

Actually looking at the products submitted to the FCC I don't even see the hAP AC?

littlebill · Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:04 pm

bumping to top, whats the update ready to buy !

marcodor · Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:41 pm

Littlebill,

HAP AC was anounced in April 2015. Probably MT is waiting for April 2016 to deliver it.

deanMKD1 · Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:59 pm

Haha lol big fail for Mikrotik. Show router one year in papers, release to buyers one year later.

cpliu903 · Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:18 am

Littlebill,

HAP AC was anounced in April 2015. Probably MT is waiting for April 2016 to deliver it.

It's too bad and misleading. Let's wait 1 year.

sass · Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:34 pm

Probable reason is that they need to sell stock of previous versions...

kiler129 · Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:21 am

Sorry, I was bored and I couldn't resist not to make it

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Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:38 am

+1 i believe too

i have many successful implementations with rb951Ui

expecting to do the same on dual band wih hAP ac

go Mikrotik !!!

aa007 · Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:50 am

I have a bad feeling that there is something wrong not with papers but the product itself, Mikrotik is not doing papers for the first time and there is no answer from them, so it looks to me like the product is having some major issues and they try to "cover" it with silence... It would be really cool from you guys to face it and comunicate with the community...

spippan · Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:35 pm

Probable reason is that they need to sell stock of previous versions...

and therefore holding back a release for a year? ... n'ah if you ask me

ka4opi4a · Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:40 pm

I'm wondering why there is no official answer from MT support... I sell my home hardware and waiting for HAP AC for few monts. Please, MT say something

Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:37 pm

I have a bad feeling that there is something wrong not with papers but the product itself, Mikrotik is not doing papers for the first time and there is no answer from them, so it looks to me like the product is having some major issues and they try to "cover" it with silence... It would be really cool from you guys to face it and comunicate with the community...

i think the version initial released to validation or has some mayor issue requiring to re-design

or maybe when redesigning, chipset vendor change the offer of chip-sets maybe with newer chipset forcing to start from zero.

well, only mikrotik knows what the hell happened with hAP AC, i hope situation solve at least on 2q of 2016, im tired of installing unifi

spippan · Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:22 pm

at least SOME statement of info would be nice!

i had to sidestep to a GrooveA52 for 5GHz extension to an existing network where i could have replaced 2 devices with a hAP AC

deanMKD1 · Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:30 pm

I think that we will not see this unit until Q2 2016. Sadly.

baggar11 · Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:09 pm

I'm pretty new to MikroTik having only had an RB951 unit for about 2 1/2 years now. And it may be the last MikroTik device I own even though the RB951 has been great.

This whole hAP AC shenanigans has really left me with a sour taste for MikroTik as a whole. Communication to the enthusiasts on this forum could be a lot better. I've repeatedly asked for product updates thinking that Normis might chime in with a little insight into what is causing the delay. Even though he has commented a couple times on what was delaying the RB3011. Coming up on a year since introduction, I'm wondering if I should just pull the trigger on something else.

Even something as simple as the following I think would calm most of us:

"working with chipset manufacturer on design again"
"troubleshooting manufacturing issues"
"ran into software bug"
"in final stretch of testing"
"aiming for newsletter XX in Q?"

Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:55 pm

i think because hAP AC the policy of announcements have changed, the late released devices wasn't announced until they where ready (mAP lite, wAP, SXT Lite AC, SXT LTE)

gamernorbi · Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:59 pm

Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.

voz · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:05 pm

The it is less than us, the more will get on everyone

xlvii · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:53 pm

Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.

For like 3x price? Nah...

wojtekCDR · Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:37 pm

hAP ac finally released

http://www.cdr.pl/download/hAP_ac.pdf

ka4opi4a · Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:56 pm

Still nothing on routerboard.com....

wojtekCDR · Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:02 pm

On stock around tuesday 9th February.

honzam · Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:14 pm

Still nothing on routerboard.com....

First info is from distributors, then on mikrotik.com

ka4opi4a · Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:51 pm

Sorry, I didn't know that. Let's hope we all can touch it in february.

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:21 pm

OMG OMG

at least !!!!!

please someone confirm the cost in US dolar o euros

ka4opi4a · Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:34 pm

I think somewhere between 80 and 100 us dollars. This is only suggestion.

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:43 pm

I think somewhere between 80 and 100 us dollars. This is only suggestion.

i hope the same

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:43 pm

Well until 10 day of this month if nothing hapens I will buy an Asus AC87U router.I waited a lot and nothing.

LOL - they beat your deadline by a day, apparently.

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:46 pm

sass · Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:50 pm

Please correct me If I'm not right: HAP AC = update of RB951G-2HnD model?

G2Dolphin · Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:55 pm

Thanks for naming ports "1-2-3-4-5" on the case. I just can't get used to these "Internet-2-3-4-5" namings, especially remembering RouterOS multi-WAN capabilites.

By the way, it's a new top length of device "internal" name — RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT. %)

UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*

Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:07 pm

UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*

They do at least allow external USB storage....

Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:07 pm

UPD:
"Storage type Flash
Flash size 16 MB"

Thank you very much, MikroTik. *facepalm*

i hope the cost justify that

honzam · Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:14 pm

Price from cdr.pl is $120,45

ka4opi4a · Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:44 pm

Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.

Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:35 am

Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.

making that comparison is really cheap, because it has triple chain, dual concurrent radios, and better CPU, the only loss is the 5 port fast ethernet switch

i was expecting that price because competition triple chain, dual concurrent radio is at 150US

that leaves the hap ac lite at 50 us as a contender for cheap dual band market

deanMKD1 · Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:51 am

1. Only 16MB Flash ? Seriously ??

2. Too high price for 720 Mhz processor, 128MB ram (similar as RB951Ui/G)
3. Mikrotik start to sucks with new models.. Really.

wojtekCDR · Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:05 am

Price from cdr.pl is $120,45

With VAT 23% included

EXW without VAT will be under $95 without problem.

brwainer · Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:06 am

I am so glad that this has finally come out.... now just have to wait for shipping... and finding the bugs that need an immediate update post-release. And then I expect good things!

the image looks like there is a switch or something right behind the USB port - unless that is part of how the enclosure latches together? I'm curious about what that is.

the description says "high power transmitter" and the board name has a H for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz... I wonder if that means 1000mW or something less? the miniPCIe AC card is only 630mW output for comparison

Edit: and also have to wait for a US distributor to post it on their site

kiler129 · Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:25 am

Little bit high price if it's real. This is the same price of RB2011 with wifi.

Not really - all prices in Poland have to be presented with tax, which is 23% for electronics. I expect price of $95-99.
Also @chechito brightly pointed that it lacks (simple and cheap) FEth 5p switch, but you're getting 802.11ac radio instead. While RB2011 is priced at $129 (but can be bought for ~$99) hAP ac is FAR BETTER choice.

1. Only 16MB Flash ? Seriously ??

...and exactly how you gonna utilize that memory in router targeted for endusers? If you need more storage for sure even 128MB will not be enough. While you can get decent usb stick smaller than a nail for $5 it's not worth the effort to install more flash onboard.
I personally use extra storage for web proxy only (and it require usb drive anyway due to write cycles limit and capacity). My logs are collected at remote server, and for sure hAP it's not gonna be a BGP peer.
Don't get me wrong, but I just don't see a massive use-case for more flash memory anyway.

2. Too high price for 720 Mhz processor, 128MB ram (similar as RB951Ui/G)

Point me to cheaper alternative please

The closest competitor will be Ubiquity 1st series, which on sale goes for more than $100 ... for bare AP!
Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.

3. Mikrotik start to sucks with new models.. Really.

So change a platform, but please - share your alternative with us. Ubnt with it's EXTREMELY buggy and limited software is not an alternative for me. Aerohive is not really into routing and well... I'm not rich enough to buy Csco

G2Dolphin · Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:33 am

the image looks like there is a switch or something right behind the USB port - unless that is part of how the enclosure latches together? I'm curious about what that is.

RESET button.

...and exactly how you gonna utilize that memory in router targeted for endusers? If you need more storage for sure even 128MB will not be enough. While you can get decent usb stick smaller than a nail for $5 it's not worth the effort to install more flash onboard.

If there will be no "flash" folder as internal memory and root as RAM-disk, the device will be just unupdatable. Someone is using memory also for repartitioning.
Both cases can't be solved with external-USB, which some users calling an "amazing-possibility-to-buy-a-flash-drive-too-and-install".

kiler129 · Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:53 am

If there will be no "flash" folder as internal memory and root as RAM-disk, the device will be just unupdatable. Someone is using memory also for repartitioning.

Well, I always updated ROS devices on-the-fly using builtin button - maybe I'm just too lazy to download and upload files to many routers.

I spoke with US distributor about hAP ac. Since USA have a special version hAP will be virtually available within 3 weeks, however in reality it's gonna be available for pickup in 4 weeks. I don't have information about pricing.

Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:03 am

All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.

JamesB · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:11 am

That data sheet suggests only 225 MHz of spectrum is available in the US on hAP AC.
Does this mean it does not support DFS? Effectively that is one 160 MHz channel at best, yes?

kiler129 · Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:24 am

Since it's middle of the night in my timezone I didn't counted accurately, but it's gonna be something like 3 channels if you look at the table in Wikipedia.

It also bothers me why US version is permanently restricted without any chance to unlock it. ROS supports DFS - http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23914. The same applies to hAP ac lite, but not to other 5Ghz products (e.g. RB911G-5HPacD). Even the newer product - RB921UAGS-5SHPacT-NM - is available in one version with such a wide range (4920-6100 MHz) without any restrictions

@normis: Could you give us a clue why recent MT products have limited channels support along with special version for US market?
It will be also wonderful to hear at least few words why there was such a massive delay? I know it's an internal information, but MT was always an open company working closely with community. I think it's far better to just say "ok, we made an horrible mistake in our power supply project and we needed to find a solution" rather than staying silent. We are all geeky people - not bunch of standard customers waiting for more megapixels in yet another smartphone with tiny plastic lens

JanezFord · Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 am

input voltage is between 11V-57V ... will it also support 802.3af like wAP or just passive PoE ?

JF.

G2Dolphin · Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:53 am

All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.

What about this, Normis? http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 70#p515982
I have something wrong with mine hAP lite?

Sorry for offtopic.

input voltage is between 11V-57V ... will it also support 802.3af like wAP or just passive PoE ?

JF.

Looks like no, only passive one.

Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:02 pm

What about this, Normis? http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 70#p515982
I have something wrong with mine hAP lite?

Could be something with bad sectors. Try reinstall with Netinstall and then see if upgrade works

darkmanlv · Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:20 pm

Hap ac is out

going to buy 1 today. After sample tests I will write about my opinion.

ka4opi4a · Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:08 pm

Where did you found it ? And what is the price without vat ?

deanMKD1 · Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:26 pm

All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.

How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.

darkmanlv · Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:50 pm

Where did you found it ? And what is the price without vat ?

router.lv 99 eur without vat

i called them, they said only receive routers next week...

Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:54 pm

All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.

Yes, NAND is not used in this process. Upload something with FTP and the file goes to RAM.

Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:19 pm

All uploads and upgrades go into the RAM. You don't need big NAND for uploading and upgrading.
How you meen go into RAM ? As i know you need to place a npk file into internal storage and reboot the router to upgrade.

What about issue with upgrading to newer versions, where nand storage is limitation reported somewhere in forum ?

Also why RB951Ui/G-2hND have 128MB Nand, and hAP AC have only 16MB ? Why you back into 2011 year or later ? Looke like older models have better hardwate then new one.

On boards that have limited NAND space all your operations happen in RAMDISK, if you need to store something in NAND itself you can access that in /flash directory.

G2Dolphin · Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm

Could be something with bad sectors. Try reinstall with Netinstall and then see if upgrade works

Yeah, except I wrote in that post that this is fresh NetInstalled device:) can you advice something else, please?
It's a MUM device, if that counts...

R1CH · Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:38 pm

Happy that it's finally here, but I'm a little disappointed to see a 3 year old SOC used, for an AC product it's really late to market. Hopefully now that MT have experience with developing consumer AC devices we can see more powerful products in the future on a faster release cycle as new SOCs are released.

Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:10 pm

God, people, this is an access point - an ACCESS POINT.

It doesn't need to run UserMan, the Dude, a web cache, a hotspot, do 500000 lines of firewall rules, layer2 nat on a soft bridge connecting 2000 vlans, and log the payload of every packet to flash, all while computing Pi to infinite precision.

I think everyone on here wants a freaking data center on a chip the size of a grain of sand, costs $4, and uses one milliwatt-hour of power per decade, but has over 400 billion hexaflops of processing power and wifi so strong they could cover an entire metropolitan area with just the one device, buried under two kilometers of solid lead.....

Mikrotik has you all spoiled.

I'm considering buying this unit, and if I do, it's going to be an access point and nothing more. Let the CPU handle the gigabit of bridging down to the atheros chip (ultra-hd streaming to tablets/ wireless clients), and let the chip handle wire-speed forwarding to locally-attached devices. The Internet will remain on my trusty ol' 2011

(drops the microphone on the floor)

G2Dolphin · Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:02 pm

Happy that it's finally here, but I'm a little disappointed to see a 3 year old SOC used, for an AC product it's really late to market. Hopefully now that MT have experience with developing consumer AC devices we can see more powerful products in the future on a faster release cycle as new SOCs are released.

Yeah, I hoped that the delay is because of SoC changing to new ones released...

brwainer · Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:17 pm

Since it's middle of the night in my timezone I didn't counted accurately, but it's gonna be something like 3 channels if you look at the table in Wikipedia.

It also bothers me why US version is permanently restricted without any chance to unlock it. ROS supports DFS - http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23914. The same applies to hAP ac lite, but not to other 5Ghz products (e.g. RB911G-5HPacD). Even the newer product - RB921UAGS-5SHPacT-NM - is available in one version with such a wide range (4920-6100 MHz) without any restrictions

@normis: Could you give us a clue why recent MT products have limited channels support along with special version for US market?
It will be also wonderful to hear at least few words why there was such a massive delay? I know it's an internal information, but MT was always an open company working closely with community. I think it's far better to just say "ok, we made an horrible mistake in our power supply project and we needed to find a solution" rather than staying silent. We are all geeky people - not bunch of standard customers waiting for more megapixels in yet another smartphone with tiny plastic lens

This is based on FCC regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII nothing Mikrotik can do about that one. You *can* make a device that uses more than just U-NII-1 and U-NII-3, but due to having different power limits at the middle frequencies it is likely more difficult. maybe this is why we saw such a delay in release, and reportedly no documentation filed with the FCC as of one post above.

G2Dolphin · Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:05 am

God, people, this is an access point - an ACCESS POINT.

Access point doesn't need FIVE gigabit ports, 128MB of RAM, SFP ports and a PoE-Out in most cases.
cAP is an access point. mAP lite is an access point, and even SXT HG5 ac is a better AP.
If "hAP ac" have "AP" in the model name, it doesn't making it an AP and only (same for all "hAP" devices). It's a direct replacement for 951, if you haven't got it by yourself. I hope you won't call a 951 AP too, because... it have the same processor as your 2011, woah. (Spoiler: hAP ac will have even more powerful CPU)

Using it JUST as an AP is a waste of power.

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:35 am

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

G2Dolphin · Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:43 am

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

My idea is using hAP ac just as AP is overkill. I count it as a dual-band router. WAN coming to some port, other ones serving Ethernet devices, good WiFi part is helping many portable devices anyone in 2016 holds to get a fast Internet, and a powerful CPU is capable to serve routing and firewall filtering. It's better not to lay it all on a single device in complicated setups, yes... but it's a "home Access Point", huh.
And by Access Point is meant NAT too, in most home setups.

xavierbt · Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:31 pm

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

I agree, hAP ac will be a great AP for use in home, SOHO and small office branches !

patrikg · Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:59 pm

Yes Nat... and how about the speed of that ??
Another router manufactures do this with hardware chip.
Is the cpu and memory fast enough.

In the spec page of another Microtik routers there are "Performance test results" at the end of spec page.
Let's hope if this router to be the new SOHO(Small office/Home Office) router.
Mikrotik make some test of preformance of nat over ethernet.
Not wifi because of unstable speed.
And publish that on the spec page.

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:18 pm

but it's a "home Access Point", huh.
And by Access Point is meant NAT too, in most home setups.

And it's got enough juice to run a basic home wireless router setup - lan bridge with dhcp, a basic "allow outbound, block inbound" firewall, and some dns proxy - it can handle all of that. Yes, it runs ROS, and yes, ROS has a gajillion cool features to it, but expecting an all-in-one box that is actually powerful enough to do EVERYTHING at the same time, and expecting it for SOHO prices isn't reasonable. It's an access point that has enough features available to it that you can do a couple of extra things with it to get everything 'just right' in a basic sense.

As Normis pointed out - cpu bridging at gigabit-class speeds from wireless to wired world is going to take some horsepower to accomplish, which is why the box has the specs it has. And as Normis also pointed out, there are 5 ethernet ports because there may be hard-wired devices that need to be added to the network at layer2 - which is exactly my situation - whole home DVR and Plex boxes are going to be my gigabit wired devices, and they're going to be in the room where I would place the hAP AC. The router's going to be in the HVAC closet with the cable modem. The hAP ac is perfect for what I want to do with it - extend my LAN to other parts of the house. I neither want nor need the first layer3 feature (other than the obvious management access). I need a switch+wifi box, and this is perfect... that's its direct purpose. All the other features are available because it's ROS, but I wouldn't consider this as an everything-in-one wonderbox beyond a basic level.

I know my 2011 isn't a speed demon, but honestly, I have only 50Mbps internet connection and if I actually try to use even that, the ISP bills for usage now, so I don't need blazing speeds on the router itself. If I were lucky enough to have Google fiber, or some other decent high-speed ISP, I'd go snag a 3011 or maybe a 850G to be my router/capsman device, but the hAP AC would still just be a layer2-only device.

StubArea51 · Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:59 pm

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

500 Mbps at home?? That's it, I'm moving to Riga, Latvia!!

We are starting to see speeds like that here in the US with Google Fiber and other players, but most of us have 50 Mbps or under.

grusu · Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:39 pm

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.
500 Mbps at home?? That's it, I'm moving to Riga, Latvia!!

We are starting to see speeds like that here in the US with Google Fiber and other players, but most of us have 50 Mbps or under.

I have 1000Mbit download and 200Mbit upload for about 10$ through optical fiber at home in Romania.

ronniee · Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:04 am

it is good that finally was released hAP ac, the 700MHz cpu will not route 1Gbit, with fast track/path NAT
maybe the RB3011ac wireless version with dual core 1GHz CPU will be OK, but for 50USD more than hAP ac? isn’t to much?

kiler129 · Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:07 am

I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

ayufan · Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:24 am

Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.

Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.

deanMKD1 · Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:57 am

Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.

Yes hardware spec. is very similar (instead one more USB 2.0 porn in Archer), but difference is in RoS system. Currently i use Tp-Link with Gargoyle 1.9.X Beta Build, and works OK, but somethimes, have a glitches, wifi disapear, etc.. Also OpenWRT release one build per year, so if any bugs are occured OpenWRT team dont patch inmediatly. RoS have standard a new RoS build every month or less, where provide bugs fixes, and also promote new features.

Also RoS and OpenWRT like systems are very different, RoS is system made to be used in serious scenarios, like IT networking companies, providers, etc, and OpenWRT derivates, are intended to be used in SOHO Environment , and home users like you for ex. That is maid difference.

About price yes Archer is ~$100 and hAP AC will be $99 without VAT. So prices are very similar + you get great RoS system.

Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:38 am

Aerohive and Meraki are far more expensive, and we of course cannot compare RB w/ROS with something like D-Link / Asus / Tp-Link or any other SOHO crap with unusable software.
Why? I use TP-Link Archer C7 v2.0 https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr7500. I'm disappointed. I expected for hAP ac to be more powerful. It has the same specs as my year-old TP-Link, and TP-Link with OpenWrt works great.

The price is high, but it looks like that we do pay extra for RouterOS.

then just go for tp-link

cpliu903 · Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:06 am

I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

JamesB · Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:43 am

I was looking to get this as a replacement for three RB951Gs in our office. I was a little surprised some of the specs are *less*, but I think it will work well.

Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:33 am

I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

maybe a cAP version only with one ethernet can be a good idea, but then some people may request a version with 2 ethernet...

never ending story

honzam · Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:59 am

I've got reply from official US distributor. Standard price will be $106/unit.

Oh no !! I's too expensive for that spec.
Please remove feature POE and SFP for reduce cost. Home user no need POE and SFP.

maybe a cAP version only with one ethernet can be a good idea,

Yes, cAP AC is required

One ethernet is enough

ayufan · Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:04 pm

then just go for tp-link

I got one, and I got a couple of Routerboards too. I can just argue that for SOHO OpenWrt is simply better, and extra RouterOS (like broken OpenVPN) features doesn't justify buying this device at this price.

darkmanlv · Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:08 pm

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

yep, in Latvia at homes we get more than 100 mbit connections, so good quality gigabit router is needed. Now i`m on 951G-2HnD, but will be changing next week to hap AC.

I have many cable devices: media player, synology nas, PC, smart TV. For wifi: 3 phones, raspberry pi, 2 notebooks. With mikrotik i got 800-900 mbit/s from NAS to PC

Tested with gigabit TP-LINK and ASUS, no more then 400-500 mbit. And wifi is slower. 200 mbit/s with mikrotik for wifi @ 2.4 ghz is good enough

PS: 4 years on ROS, before was on openwrt,dd-wrt... stability is like heaven and earth. ROS is much better for SOHO.

kenyloveg · Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:10 pm

For my personal choice only, I would pick up a SOHO router from ASUS AC-68U/Netgear R7000/RouterBoard with high power AC protocol. Serving a 200 Mbps EPON in China...

deanMKD1 · Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:17 pm

http://www.cdr.pl/p5001,mikrotik-router ... ap-ac.html

"Available from 15th February!"

Тhey changed stock date or ? I read somewhere that will be in stock on 9th Feb.

kbuska · Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:31 pm

Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?

kiler129 · Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:10 pm

Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?

Nope, it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).

anuser · Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:41 pm

In my opinion the HAP AC is a great device for campus installation. If it scales well, I could replace my current wifi devices for roughly 40000€. This would be a real bargain.

+ PoE
+ SFP
+ dual band
+ ~CAPWAP tunnel with central CAPSMAN manager

Yes it doesn´t have a 802.11ac wave 2 chipset. But someday there will be a "WAP AC2". Only time will tell.
Do we need a "CAP AC". Well, it depends. I can also buy a RF elements Stationbox and here it is.

I´m happy to have an HAP AC for now and if I can figure out how to get a dynamic VLAN assignment running with the CAPWAP tunnel forwarding, I start rolling it out for my first students. Keep up the good work MikroTik Team!

ka4opi4a · Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:49 am

Is the HAP AC (non lite) available in the US yet?
Nope, it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).

Where did you find that info ? I ask the dealers here in Bulgaria and nobody knows anything about HAP AC....

kamillo · Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:06 pm

It looks like HAP AC will be available in UK around 26/02

https://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rou ... -psu/14663

R1CH · Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:03 pm

Why so? I have the hAP ac at home as my access point. In our country, we get speeds 100-500Mbit at home, so even just for an AP you need power. I also have a few devices with no WiFi, so the extra ports help.

500mbps is fairly standard, but I doubt hAP AC can handle this speed beyond basic NAT. Try adding some firewall rules and packet tagging / queues for QoS and the CPU will quickly become a bottleneck. For reference my RB951G-2HnD maxes out at just under 200mbps.

kiler129 · Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:23 pm

(...)it will be available from MT in 3 weeks (+ one week for shipment from Lativa to USA).
Where did you find that info ?

I got this information from Baltic Networks in Chicago - http://www.balticnetworks.com. I contacted them via e-mail.

Edit:
I've got new information from them:

We just received these, the order can be placed through our website and you can choose will call – pickup as the option so your order is ready when you arrive.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to locate the product on their website.

janisk · Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:08 pm

hAP AC on the routerboard.com

ka4opi4a · Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:37 pm

Finally !!!

G2Dolphin · Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:58 pm

Hehe, even MikroTik themselfs posted a link. %)
$129 is quite high though... even hEX as a router is cheaper and more powerful (BTW, why? They have the same CPU, aren't they?).

florentrivoire · Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:03 pm

hAP AC on the routerboard.com

This is good news

Just one request : could you add the "Block diagram" for new products like this one please ?
(cf: the diagram available for http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD for example)

This diagram can especially (but not only) be usefull to understand how the SFP is connected to the CPU.
Thanks !

Valerio5000 · Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:07 pm

USB is 3.0 or 2.0 ?

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:29 pm

Hehe, even MikroTik themselfs posted a link. %)
$129 is quite high though... even hEX as a router is cheaper and more powerful (BTW, why? They have the same CPU, aren't they?).

maybe is something related to the dual 3x3 radio included

wojtekCDR · Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:57 pm

http://www.cdr.pl/p5001,mikrotik-router ... ap-ac.html

"Available from 15th February!"

Тhey changed stock date or ? I read somewhere that will be in stock on 9th Feb.

Goods for us are prepared. We will pick up tomorrow and receive on 11/12.

Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:59 pm

Deleted. Not relevant....

florentrivoire · Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:02 pm

Just one request : could you add the "Block diagram" for new products like this one please ?
(cf: the diagram available for http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD for example)

This diagram can especially (but not only) be usefull to understand how the SFP is connected to the CPU.
Thanks !

I see that the diagram has been added since my request.
Thanks !!

spippan · Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:18 pm

SORRY ... quick shot...
just saw it in the table!!!

Wireless standards 802.11a/n/ac

all good

hAP AC on the routerboard.com

the website says...

The hAP ac is our most universal home or office wireless device. It is a dual band device with Gigabit ports that allow the full advantages of 802.11ac technology speed, while maintaining compatibility with legacy devices in 2GHz 802.11 b/g/n and 5GHz a/n modes.

so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....

Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:45 pm

It has two independent radios. One with 3x3 ac.
Unlike your GrooveA.

spippan · Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:01 pm

It has two independent radios. One with 3x3 ac.
Unlike your GrooveA.

yep

my bad ... but GrooveA has top coverage

Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:20 pm

Coverage? How do you define that?

jadu · Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:54 pm

The hAP ac will support 866Mbps or it will support 1.3Gbps? If the max stream wide will be 80Mhz we'll have 1300Mbps wich is great for me

Does RouterOS support 160Mhz channels in the future?

nkourtzis · Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:05 pm

Am I reading it correctly? 16MB storage ONLY? So... no partitions and a problematic upgrade process? Is this possible?

Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:07 pm

so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....

According to the product flier, it's 5Ghz a/n/ac, and 2Ghz b/g/n (no ac on 2ghz)

mavink · Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:48 pm

Am I reading it correctly? 16MB storage ONLY? So... no partitions and a problematic upgrade process? Is this possible?

This is the same as the HAP Lite; the upgrade file is loaded in RAM. I've never had a problem upgrading those, but it would have been nice to have enough storage for two partitions.

666blade666 · Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:00 pm

Please answer on my question. What about wifi speed between iPad Pro and MikroTik HAP AC? Can I get 100 mb/per sec?

lambert · Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:01 pm

SORRY ... quick shot...
just saw it in the table!!!

Wireless standards 802.11a/n/ac
all good ;)

hAP AC on the routerboard.com
the website says...
The hAP ac is our most universal home or office wireless device. It is a dual band device with Gigabit ports that allow the full advantages of 802.11ac technology speed, while maintaining compatibility with legacy devices in 2GHz 802.11 b/g/n and 5GHz a/n modes.
so ... ment are ... 5GHz a/n/ac ... or am i mistaking something here....?
because on my GrooveA 52 i also have 5GHz a/n but no ac.....

That sentence says, a) this is an 802.11ac device and b) it is backward compatible with b/g/n and a/n devices.

If that's not what you were asking, I apologize.