New RouterOS BETA is out: v3.0beta3

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:33 pm

Here is the link to the changelog:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_beta

Note, that if you downgrade from beta version to the 2.9 version then you should check your DST-NAT rules - they might be changed. This only applies to the downgrade - upgrade will work fine. You can create a backup file in v2.9 if you want to downgrade later back to v2.9.

CD install and demo licence key is fixed.

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:56 pm

Note, that if you downgrade from beta version to the 2.9 version then you should check your DST-NAT rules - they might be changed. This only applies to the downgrade - upgrade will work fine. You can create a backup file in v2.9 if you want to downgrade later back to v2.9.

correction:
Before the downgrade you MUST disable all your NAT rules with "dst-port" or "scr-port" options
OR ELSE
one port dst-nat rule will became global, all port forwarder and it will be impossible to connect to the router.

Wavelan · Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:08 pm

Here is the link to the changelog:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_beta

Note, that if you downgrade from beta version to the 2.9 version then you should check your DST-NAT rules - they might be changed. This only applies to the downgrade - upgrade will work fine. You can create a backup file in v2.9 if you want to downgrade later back to v2.9.

CD install and demo licence key is fixed.

Any insight / comment about nstream & CSMA disabled options, that
had been tested by some of your user, and seems this options
has :

- Little effect (good) to troughput
- No Effect to latency ????

High Regards,
Andrei

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:17 pm

what did you expect, wonderbutton

? we just added the requested feature, it does what it is supposed to do. nobody knew what effect it would have

Wavelan · Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:33 pm

what did you expect, wonderbutton ? we just added the requested feature, it does what it is supposed to do. nobody knew what effect it would have

Yes, it does. The theory says so, and
we tried other products with similar feature "CSMA/CA disable" (that using atheros too),
seems have coping good with noise.

What do you do in your journey to add this option ?

Maybe we could give input, what's maybe missing in the equation ?

High Regards,
Andrei

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:34 pm

in theory, when there is so much noise, nothing can force the other end to receive clean data. it just is not possible, no matter what you do on your end. the interference will just be too high.

balimore · Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:39 pm

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i am happy, read this change log...

*) made demo mode work;

okay tomorrow will try to install them, with cdimage... i hope is success.
now i still at home....

thanks to mikrotik
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Wavelan · Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:41 pm

in theory, when there is so much noise, nothing can force the other end to receive clean data. it just is not possible, no matter what you do on your end. the interference will just be too high.

Dear Normis,

Seems many whitepaper circulating on the Net says the contrary to you.

They said, and have experimented using mad-wifing stripped,
that using software mac and atheros SDR, they could
send the data normally in noisy environment as long you got
high SNR.

Now, the problem with "false syndrom of interference" is

- High / Good signal (SNR)

- Bad Troughput, and very high latency ?
Why, because you never got any chance to transmit, and always
get in the bottom of the food chain, err "wireless food chain / pecking order then".

High Regards,
Andrei

Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:13 pm

We added one more setting for this feature in the next beta (4), but there is nothing more to do. Please supply all further reports with some kind of test results, mystical whitepapers are not proving anything.

GotNet · Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:00 pm

Since at least beta2, on RB112s with AR5211 as AP, if a wireless setting is changed some clients (Cisco 350 is one) will not reassociate untill the client card is disabled then enabled.

00:16:00 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: reassociating
00:16:00 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: disconnected, ok
00:16:00 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: connected
00:16:05 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: reassociating
00:16:05 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: disconnected, ok
00:16:05 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: connected
00:16:11 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: reassociating
00:16:11 wireless,info 00:0A:F4:4A:1E:32@wlan1: disconnected, ok

...etc

Wavelan · Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:10 am

We added one more setting for this feature in the next beta (4), but there is nothing more to do. Please supply all further reports with some kind of test results, mystical whitepapers are not proving anything.

Dear Normis,

Could you elaborate more, what's new setting we could expect
in beta-4 in conjunction with this csma/ca disable operation.

Thank's in advance.

High Regards,
Andrei

BrianHiggins · Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:31 am

- Little effect (good) to troughput
- No Effect to latency ????

my testing that I posted, it showed that in a noisy enviroment there was very noticable improvment in stabializing the throughput rates. it did NOT significantly improve peak throughput, but average throughput did go up quite noticably. While it's no WonderButton, it's a noticable improvment. and it makes it so that I can actually consider using 2.4 for customers (when v3 is final), and that's the main goal here, make more spectrum usable for us to use to service more customers, for whatever reason it was previously un-useable.

Latency is another story... the latency problems I was seeing have nothing to do with CSMA, they have to do with NStream.

DirectWireless · Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:44 am

Well some of the whitepapers did the following:

Disable CSMA/CA
Disable ACK timeouts
Disable Retries (only if NStreme does that already)
Shorten the inter-frame spacing / random backoff

Some of them actually had their own MAC layer - like SoftMAC, which actually is a raw data transmitter.

Also, you must remember that it could be the data rate selection algorithm is tuned for Carrier Detection and not for forced transmit. It could be that the speed is being tuned by the noise level / SNR - which didn't read correctly in beta 2.

Wavelan · Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:13 am

Well some of the whitepapers did the following:

Disable CSMA/CA
Disable ACK timeouts
Disable Retries (only if NStreme does that already)
Shorten the inter-frame spacing / random backoff <-- No they disabled completedly the CSMA random backoff.

Some of them actually had their own MAC layer - like SoftMAC, which actually is a raw data transmitter.

Also, you must remember that it could be the data rate selection algorithm is tuned for Carrier Detection and not for forced transmit. It could be that the speed is being tuned by the noise level / SNR - which didn't read correctly in beta 2.

Thank you for your info Direct, maybe MT teams could gain insight
what could they do more in order to make MT more rugged and
could coping in high noise environment.

High Regards,
Andrei

balimore · Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:43 am

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i am happy, read this change log...

*) made demo mode work;

okay tomorrow will try to install them, with cdimage... i hope is success.
now i still at home....

thanks to mikrotik
Hasbullah.com
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yes...yes...yes....

http://forum.mikrotik.com//viewtopic.php?p=54648#54648

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pdf · Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:18 pm

Here is the link to the changelog:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_beta

Note, that if you downgrade from beta version to the 2.9 version then you should check your DST-NAT rules - they might be changed. This only applies to the downgrade - upgrade will work fine. You can create a backup file in v2.9 if you want to downgrade later back to v2.9.

CD install and demo licence key is fixed.

Hi uldis,

is the channel settings fixed in this version of the routeros? As you probably know the channels selection is wrong (when you select the channel set accordingly to the country).

Thank you

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:13 pm

Here is the link to the changelog:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/CHANGELOG_beta

Note, that if you downgrade from beta version to the 2.9 version then you should check your DST-NAT rules - they might be changed. This only applies to the downgrade - upgrade will work fine. You can create a backup file in v2.9 if you want to downgrade later back to v2.9.

CD install and demo licence key is fixed.
Hi uldis,

is the channel settings fixed in this version of the routeros? As you probably know the channels selection is wrong (when you select the channel set accordingly to the country).

Thank you

Not yet. Probably it will be in the next version.

BrianHiggins · Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:20 am

Not yet. Probably it will be in the next version.

how about accessing the wireless menu in winbox from windows XP? I've got 4 different computers it crashes on the instant I select wireless, interface -> wlan1 works, but not the wireless button on the left.

I tried it under Windows Vista, works fine

pdf · Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:32 am

Not yet. Probably it will be in the next version.

what do you mean for the next version? next beta of 3.0 or you mean in 3.1?

Thank you

P.S. it's really important to have it asap....

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:43 am

pdf,
Next 3.0 beta version.
As far as I know, the releases come in the following manner:
2.9--->3.0 etc.

3.0 beta is between 2.9 and 3.0, because 3.0 is on development stage now.

infgrp · Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:55 pm

Please, add this feature in RouterOS if it is possible:
- to set different MAC addresses for different VLANs on the same ethernet interface

rpingar · Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:43 am

any hope to see 802.11e supported with nstream enabled???

Regards
Rosario

Wavelan · Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:37 pm

Not yet. Probably it will be in the next version.
how about accessing the wireless menu in winbox from windows XP? I've got 4 different computers it crashes on the instant I select wireless, interface -> wlan1 works, but not the wireless button on the left.

I tried it under Windows Vista, works fine

Fore, Any new news regarding your testing of Nstreme + CSMA/CA
in high noise environment ?

High Regards,
Andrei

BrianHiggins · Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:05 am

Fore, Any new news regarding your testing of Nstreme + CSMA/CA
in high noise environment ?

High Regards,
Andrei

haven't tested beta 3 performence yet (been a little busy, we just finalized the purchase of another WISP a few days ago, we'll be doubleing our current size and coverage area with the new addition, plus we just put our first SR9 900Mhz cell up a week and a half ago which is doing pretty well, nearly a dozen customers on it already)

I posted some beta 2 test results here
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=11890

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:13 pm

Please, add this feature in RouterOS if it is possible:
- to set different MAC addresses for different VLANs on the same ethernet interface

this is not planned.

Wavelan · Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:58 pm

Dear Normis, uldis,

When we could expect beta4 is out ?

Thank's in advance.

High Regards,
Andrei.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:03 pm

if you have a spare PC, and some free time - please install beta 3 with a demo license, and test the basic features. report to us if you find some problems. we still have not received any important bugreports.

csickles · Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:05 pm

I have seen only one from B3.

I installed it on a SuperMicro Dual P4 Xeon 2.4 Hyper Threader.
I had both CPUs installed, 1GB ram, Hyperthreading active.

Here was the issue:
The router only recognised 3 CPUs.. I can not say if the system posted as 4 CPUs or not, but when the system was rebooted, it recognised all 4 "Cores"..

I have had no other issues with B3..

Craig

Things that make you go Hmmmmm...

tjohnson · Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:58 am

Installed B3 on an RB112 for testing. Wireless performance was much improved over 2.9.30.

The only issue was the terminal window (in color) was very sluggish while typing and printing.

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:06 am

in where, in ssh, over console? what program did you use?

balimore · Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:23 am

in where, in ssh, over console? what program did you use?

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csickles · Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:24 pm

Come to think of it...
I had some of the same console issues from the router's console as well as from the "new terminal" interface within winbox.

Craig

Wavelan · Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:30 pm

New Bug Report for Beta-3 :

I'm cannot restart router reliably,
sometimes it can, and sometimes its cannot ?

High Regards,
Andrei

GotNet · Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:46 am

New Bug Report for Beta-3 :

I'm cannot restart router reliably,
sometimes it can, and sometimes its cannot ? :)

High Regards,
Andrei

What hardware? Any console messages?

Wavelan · Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:19 am

New Bug Report for Beta-3 :

I'm cannot restart router reliably,
sometimes it can, and sometimes its cannot ?

High Regards,
Andrei
What hardware? Any console messages?

WRAP-2C, Bios V1.11

I've tried with demo licensed and l4 ones.
Same result, even with different board.

No, strange console messages in telnet / hyperterminal (serial) console.

High Regards,
Andrei

Wavelan · Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:38 pm

New Bug Report for Beta-3 :

I'm cannot restart router reliably,
sometimes it can, and sometimes its cannot ?

High Regards,
Andrei
What hardware? Any console messages?
WRAP-2C, Bios V1.11

I've tried with demo licensed and l4 ones.
Same result, even with different board.

No, strange console messages in telnet / hyperterminal (serial) console.

High Regards,
Andrei

Any user that had the same issues like me ?

High Regards,
Andrei

sidney · Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:43 pm

i changed our test station to v3beta3 alls working fine but i see the cpu load stays on 100% all the time its a rb500

done bandwidth test everything great only cpu load at 100%

???????

cibernet · Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:13 pm

i changed our test station to v3beta3 alls working fine but i see the cpu load stays on 100% all the time its a rb500

done bandwidth test everything great only cpu load at 100%

???????

disable the "dude" package...

Best regards

sidney · Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:25 pm

Thanks now i can carry on playing with it

csickles · Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:10 pm

On a SuperMicro board, I dont have the number at hand, I ave 2x hyper threader CPUs (xeon 2.8) Most of the time they are seen as 2 cups each, sometimes on a cond boot they show as three...

On a Proliant DL140 a single hyper threader (with firmware setiiing set to on... :) ) allways shows 1 CPU...

Craig
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm...........

npero · Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:47 pm

Today I tested beta version and found little bug if you click on button disable on wireless interface don't disable interface but if you click on button X in the list thats work.

Whats is difference between station pseudobridge mode and station pseudobridge clone mode ?
I tested today in not clone mode all computers behind the bridge have some MAC adress and in clone mode all have own MAC address thats is only diffrence ?

Clone mode is become very helpfull some ISP only alow one PPPOE connection peer MAC adresse in clone mode is posible to connect all of bridged

not tested yet.

sidney · Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:42 pm

hi been testing betaV3 but need to downgrade back to v2.9.35
tryed using downgrade by packages then rebooted but it still starts up
as betaV3 even did a restore from a backup still the same

help please

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:59 pm

you have to type `/system downgrade` after uploading packages

sidney · Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:24 pm

thanks it work
but had to use ' system paskage downgrade '
and yes then rebooted
thanks again

bobcole · Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:02 am

Hi,
Does the 24hr trial allow for use of the wireless package? According to the chart at mikrotik it does, but I couldn't get my WRAP.2c with bios 1.11 to either detect the SR9, or install the wireless package.

I tried installing the wireless package with netinstall when I copied the system over to the CF card. I don't think it was installed however, and I proceeded to use the web based config to add the package. Even then, I don't think it ever installed because it said it would reboot, and could take a few minutes, but never did. Even after 10 minutes and I power cycled the WRAP, it wouldn't detect the SR9.

I also had problems getting Mikrotik to boot up after power cycles when the SR9 was installed. I'll try a different SR9 tonight.

bobcole

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:08 am

24 trial has the same features as a L6 license (all of them)

janisk · Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:04 am

would stress that - 24 working hours - not a 1 day.

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:06 am

this means - if you turn off the router for a while, the timer will stop.

bobcole · Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:08 am

I think I found the problem. 16MB CF card isn't big enough for system AND wireless packages. Will try using a 64MB CF card.

bobcole

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:10 am

of course! minimum requirements say 64Mb of space.

BurstNET · Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:49 pm

New Bug Reports for Beta-3:

1) bandwidth thottling not working. either by setting in pppoe secret locally, or by sending ascend-data-rate command via radius. downgraded to 2.9.37 and it worked properly again.

2) not positive on this one but fw rules blocking access admin the unit seemed to be allowing access anways. downgraded to 2.9.37 and it worked properly again.

3) pppoe server locked up. couldn't remove existing logged in user, nor authenticate new ones. not sure if related to the beta, or not, we'll see if re-occurs again now that we downgraded. it has never happened prior to this.

SMA

changeip · Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:03 am

jut noticed cpu% goes above 100% quite often ...

uptime: 7m45s
version: "3.0beta3"
free-memory: 240688kB
total-memory: 257456kB
cpu: "Intel(R)"
cpu-count: 2
cpu-frequency: 2999MHz
cpu-load: 4294967295
free-hdd-space: 178160kB
total-hdd-space: 203041kB
write-sect-since-reboot: 1530
write-sect-total: 1530

csickles · Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:28 am

Hmmm....

That one is going to be late for dinner !!

Craig

BurstNET · Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:40 am

New Bug Reports for Beta-3 cont. :

4) on a dual xeon server with hyperthreading enabled, it only shows as two cpus, not four...

SMA

janisk · Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:46 am

but there is 2 CPUs isn't there?

i guess that's it, if some other os shows you more then this is their problem.

ngds · Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:21 pm

but there is 2 CPUs isn't there? i guess that's it, if some other os shows you more then this is their problem.

A dual Xeon with hyperthreading running an SMP kernel will show 4 CPUs.

csickles · Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:54 am

Seems to be some interaction with firmware / chipset.
Super Micro will sometimes show 3 (Most times shows 4)
HP DL140 allways shows 2..

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm....

Craig

Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:44 am

we have not yet seen a supout.rif with 3 CPUs showing, csickles ...

as far as I have seen, it always reports correctly. If linux shows incorrectly, it's even better for us

You have 2 CPUs and that's a fact, so it shows 2 CPUs

Wavelan · Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:51 am

we have not yet seen a supout.rif with 3 CPUs showing, csickles ...

as far as I have seen, it always reports correctly. If linux shows incorrectly, it's even better for us You have 2 CPUs and that's a fact, so it shows 2 CPUs

Dear Normis,

Have any news regarding BETA-4 ETA ?

High Regards,
Andrei

csickles · Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:13 pm

Normis..

I will drop 3 Sup Outs today for you to tear into.
1 will be from a DL140. (Single Hyper Threader)
2 will be froma a Super Micro. (Dual Hyper Threader) 1 with 3 CPUs showing and one with 4.

Have a great one..

Craig

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm

we are doing some very heavy testing of the beta4, no ETA yet. it should have majour improvements.

csickles · Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:20 pm

Just let me know of any thing you need (lab environments etc) when the beta hits and I will do my best to set up a test environment..

I just love banging on betas...

Craig

cmit · Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:10 pm

we are doing some very heavy testing of the beta4, no ETA yet. it should have majour improvements.

Hmmm, Normunds

- it's already on the web?

Best regards,
Christian Meis

BurstNET · Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:27 am

Aaaargh....not one single bug we reported was corrected.

SMA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:36 am

cmit: it was put on web afew hours after my post.
burstnet: examples? did you actually test, or just read the changelog?

BurstNET · Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:52 am

normis:

just read the changelog...
are you saying more was done than was put in the changelog?

examples are listed in my previous posts in this thread...

SMA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:55 am

its ALWAYS like that. only most important changes are in the changelog, some 2/3 of small changes are not included. this has been discussed on the forum

BurstNET · Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:06 am

OK, but I thought I read here a month back that all changelogs would be more complete and accurate from that point forward

SMA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:07 am

we will keep trying to improve them

BrianHiggins · Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:25 am

OK, but I thought I read here a month back that all changelogs would be more complete and accurate from that point forward

SMA

they did improve them, for one release.... after that the went back to short and incomplete.

janisk · Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:30 am

more fun for users to discover, what really has changed and what not

Wavelan · Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:44 am

more fun for users to discover, what really has changed and what not

Aaarrggggggggggggh !!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have RL too.

High Regards,
Andrei

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:47 am

what is RL ?

anyway, we always try to improve, but sometimes it is simply not possible to include every little bugfix.

janisk · Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:14 am

i think that RL is used to say - Real Life.

but if i have submitted a bug fix in previous version i always recheck if that is fixed in new version, even if it says - yes we did repair that.

jorj · Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:52 am

Whats is difference between station pseudobridge mode and station pseudobridge clone mode ?
I tested today in not clone mode all computers behind the bridge have some MAC adress and in clone mode all have own MAC address thats is only diffrence ?

Clone mode is become very helpfull some ISP only alow one PPPOE connection peer MAC adresse in clone mode is posible to connect all of bridged not tested yet.

Anybody knows for sure what is the difference ?
I don't have two 3.0rcx to test, so I was wandering also what is clone ?

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