New CPU - new product RB750Gr3 - RB750G family - now mmips

roc-noc.com · Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:44 am

It looks like the RB750Gr2 is now EOL. Our latest Mikrotik shipment arrived and we received a new part # RB750Gr3. This is the 4th major revision in the RB750G family since it was announced in 2009.

October 2009 - RB750G
May 2011 - RB750GL
July 2015 - RB750Gr2 aka hEX
October 2016 - RB750Gr3 aka hEX

There is no RB750Gr3 data sheet available yet. A quick comparison looking with winbox shows:

RB750Gr2
CPU - MIPS 74Kc V5.0 720MHz Single Core
RouterOS Family MIPSBE (supported for the past 8 years - many products)
RAM - 64MB
Flash - 16MB

RB750Gr3
CPU - MIPS 1004Kc V2.15 880MHz (Quad Core - depth of multicore support not yet known)
RouterOS Family MMIPS (new as of RB750Gr3)
RAM - 256MB
Flash - 16MB
external micro SD slot and card support

RB750Gr3 ships with RouterOS version 6.36.1. The CPU is also a new MIPS variant (mmips) that just gained Mikrotik support so older RouterOS versions will not work with this model router. (mmips was just added to the RouterOS download section today.)

Enjoy,

Tom

R1CH · Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:54 am

Wow, 720MHz single core to 880MHz quad core seems like a huge boost for a "revision". Very curious how this translates into real world performance.

npero · Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:16 am

I see announcement on Russia MUM here is ti https://youtu.be/NjDdq3O6VoM?t=1339 before couple days.
Look the video they have on slide speed test.

honzam · Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:57 am

It is nice info. Why mikrotik don´t say anything?
Latest news - Issue 72, May 2016

onnoossendrijver · Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:44 am

What is the CPU in this device? Does it support hardware encryption for ipsec?

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:59 am

The CPU spec seems to line up with MediaTek MIPS 1004KeC processors. Maybe MMIPS is short for MediaTek MIPS ???

IF it is MediaTek then it has hardware crypto with support for up to 200mbit/s crypto acceleration.

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:02 am

It is the CPU MT7621A

mrz · Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:20 am

This CPU support HW encryption. With AES-128 and 1400byte packets we were able to get 472Mbps Max.

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:23 am

This CPU support HW encryption. With AES-128 and 1400byte packets we were able to get 472Mbps Max.

Very impressive.

Nice work guys

roc-noc.com · Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:28 am

It is the CPU MT7621A

Thanks Normis.

So it is dual core and not quad core? Wondering why system/resources shows 4 cpus.

Please tell us more.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:35 am

What is the product name for this device?

roc-noc.com · Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:41 am

What is the product name for this device?

RB750Gr3 or hEX

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:46 am

Ok I see that hEX is RB750Gr2... a little confusing, those marketing names, especially when there is
no 1:1 mapping between marketing names and technical names. Would it not be better to call it
"hEX plus" or something?

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:59 am

By they way here are the slides about hEXr3 from MikroTik opening presentation, it contains some test results.
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/hexr3.pdf

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:07 pm

Ok I see that hEX is RB750Gr2... a little confusing, those marketing names, especially when there is
no 1:1 mapping between marketing names and technical names. Would it not be better to call it
"hEX plus" or something?

When you look at the cars - "BMW 320" marketing name also remains unchanged during the years, just car is different

, and have different production code. Same happens here with "hEX", it avoid lots of confusion about what to choose when old ones run out of the stock - sticking to same marketing name also gives a little bit easier time at customs and certifications, as you always can refer to previous model.

paulct · Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:17 pm

Wonder if this will be used for the Hap series as well.

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:29 pm

I hope it makes it into the hAP and wAP product's.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:11 pm

When you look at the cars - "BMW 320" marketing name also remains unchanged during the years, just car is different , and have different production code. Same happens here with "hEX", it avoid lots of confusion about what to choose when old ones run out of the stock

Of course it replaces it by the confusion what we will receive when we order hEX from a local supplier, and the complaints here that older firmware
that people have validated for use on their network cannot be used on newly ordered hEX routers.
(of course that already happened even when there was no drastic change in model...)

Well, it looks like an interesting router but we will probably have to wait a while before we can safely order it (without risk of getting a Gr2 instead)

Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:49 pm

Buy from roc-noc.com as he is the original poster it is pretty certain that he sold all Gr2 out already

R1CH · Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:48 pm

I'd really like to buy this, but using the same model name is very annoying when you have to deal with distributors who aren't aware of this or co-mingle their inventory. Same deal with the RB850Gx2, one version has HW encryption, one does not, but it's impossible to tell from model name. It may be a long time before our local distributors sell out the RB750Gr2 stock, so I have no way of ordering one other than simply waiting and hoping their stock runs out

.

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:25 pm

One thing that was not mentioned in presentation is that this one will also support dude server package. uSD slot on it also provides decent r/w speed for db storage on microSD card.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:27 pm

That is nice. I still think it is a mistake to cut down the flash to 16MB, this is going to bite you/us sooner or later.

honzam · Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:34 pm

From datasheet - The MT7621 router on a chip includes a 880 MHz MIPS® 1004 Kc™ CPU dual-core
http://ftp.mqmaker.com/WiTi/Docs/Hardware/MT7621.pdf

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:35 pm

That is nice. I still think it is a mistake to cut down the flash to 16MB, this is going to bite you/us sooner or later.

"external micro SD slot and card support"

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:38 pm

I predict that sooner or later there will be issues installing/upgrading RouterOS and additional packages inside the 16MB.
I don't think there will be support for software installation on the SD card, that would break the security of RouterOS.
When the mighty new RouterOS v7 is released with all those new features, it will not fit....

roc-noc.com · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:00 pm

I'd really like to buy this, but using the same model name is very annoying when you have to deal with distributors who aren't aware of this or co-mingle their inventory. Same deal with the RB850Gx2, one version has HW encryption, one does not, but it's impossible to tell from model name. It may be a long time before our local distributors sell out the RB750Gr2 stock, so I have no way of ordering one other than simply waiting and hoping their stock runs out .

We list them as RB750Gr2 and RB750Gr3. Not hEX. We do have both in stock and they are listed as different products. Our RB750Gr2 supply is limited and will probably be gone this week.

Talk to your distributors. Although this change caught us by surprise, we did catch it and we are usually on top of changes like this. We knew which RB850Gx2 boards had hardware encryption and which did not. And we quickly sold out of the old version at a reduced price when the encrypted model became available.

The easy thing to do is call your distributor and ask them. Most are human. And you might be surprised what they know.

Tom

roc-noc.com · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:01 pm

One thing that was not mentioned in presentation is that this one will also support dude server package. uSD slot on it also provides decent r/w speed for db storage on microSD card.

!!!! This I like!

Lakis · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:03 pm

Ok I see that hEX is RB750Gr2... a little confusing, those marketing names, especially when there is
no 1:1 mapping between marketing names and technical names. Would it not be better to call it
"hEX plus" or something?
When you look at the cars - "BMW 320" marketing name also remains unchanged during the years, just car is different , and have different production code. Same happens here with "hEX", it avoid lots of confusion about what to choose when old ones run out of the stock - sticking to same marketing name also gives a little bit easier time at customs and certifications, as you always can refer to previous model.

RB750Gr3 CPU - MIPS 1004Kc V2.15 880MHz (Quad Core?) - should be renamed RB666-TheBeast

)

Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:05 pm

It has 2 cores and 4 threads in total.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:44 pm

The easy thing to do is call your distributor and ask them. Most are human. And you might be surprised what they know.

I have not tried that yet. I order my MikroTik stuff at a generic "router webshop" that sells 25 different brands of routers and
does not even show MikroTik when you open the default page for routers. Probably a good thing, you don't want to sell these
to the typical family looking for a router for their cable internet...

I see that the item now shows in the shop as "MikroTik hEX RB750GR2", I think they recently added that RB part, other new
types with marketing names like "hAP lite" don't mention the specific product code in the item title.

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:12 am

A few words of warning about Micro-SD cards.

If you are going to store "The Dude" database on micro-sd you would be wise to use a MLC based Micro-SD card.

If you use one of the Sandisk Ultra / Samsung EVO / Cheap Junk Micro-SD cards you will likely wear it out very quickly.

Known "Good" MLC Micro-SD cards are:
Sandisk High Endurance Series (white card)
Transcend High Endurance Series (silver card)
Lexar 300x UHS-I
Lexar 633x UHS-I
Samsung PRO Series
Transcend Ultimate 600x UHS-1

Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:52 am

A few words of warning about Micro-SD cards.

If you are going to store "The Dude" database on micro-sd you would be wise to use a MLC based Micro-SD card.

If you use one of the Sandisk Ultra / Samsung EVO / Cheap Junk Micro-SD cards you will likely wear it out very quickly.

Known "Good" MLC Micro-SD cards are:
Sandisk High Endurance Series (white card)
Transcend High Endurance Series (silver card)
Lexar 300x UHS-I
Lexar 633x UHS-I
Samsung PRO Series
Transcend Ultimate 600x UHS-1

some brands have industrial micro sd cards with improved writing endurance, i think that will be nice to use to databases like this

Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:56 am

I hope it makes it into the hAP and wAP product's.

ohh yeah

+1 for that, 720mhz cpu on hap ac is not capable of heavy mangle and queue tree at 802.11ac 40mhz/80mhz throughput

mducharme · Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:14 am

I hope it makes it into the hAP and wAP product's.

ohh yeah

+1 for that, 720mhz cpu on hap ac is not capable of heavy mangle and queue tree at 802.11ac 40mhz/80mhz throughput

+1 - yes MikroTik, if you combine this routing power with AC wireless triple chain 5GHz and 2.4GHz, you will have a killer product for home or SOHO routers.

aslanov · Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:37 pm

Does anyone knows exactly realise date of RB750Gr3 aka hEX? Want to buy it in Moscow, Russia, but don't know when it will be available?

roc-noc.com · Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:56 pm

Does anyone knows exactly realise date of RB750Gr3 aka hEX? Want to buy it in Moscow, Russia, but don't know when it will be available?

Our gr3s shipped on September 29th. They were on back order before that. I would suspect that is the "release date". You will have to ask your distributors in Moscow. Mikrotik has not yet officially announced it to distributors in our newsletter so many are not yet aware of the change. Although it was announced in the Mikrotik new products presentation recently at MUM in Russia.

G2Dolphin · Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:09 pm

Oh, that's why I got an mmips architecture package some time ago when downloaded all archs of some ROS version... What a nice HW upgrade.

Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:54 pm

another interesting topic is to know the switch chip features of this device

Siona · Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:32 pm

Why there is no USB on this?

Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:45 pm

Why there is no USB on this?

on RB750 references only PoE versions come with that feature

i dont know why

pe1chl · Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:49 pm

Why there is no USB on this?

Yes, a bit of a pity because we use USB 4G sticks and need to use RB951G instead.

Siona · Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:02 pm

Exactly! 4g is best option for most people in Europe to get dual WAN failover. I can get 15gb for as low as 5€ /month.
I really can't understand lack of USB in 750 and 850gx2 (and sfp cage in this).

grusu · Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:43 pm

Exactly! 4g is best option for most people in Europe to get dual WAN failover. I can get 15gb for as low as 5€ /month.
I really can't understand lack of USB in 750 and 850gx2 (and sfp cage in this).

If you go back to the first post you will see a USB port in the photo.

InoX · Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:53 pm

Exactly! 4g is best option for most people in Europe to get dual WAN failover. I can get 15gb for as low as 5€ /month.
I really can't understand lack of USB in 750 and 850gx2 (and sfp cage in this).

35GB for 2€/month

pe1chl · Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:05 pm

If you go back to the first post you will see a USB port in the photo.

They forgot to include it in the spec overview?

Siona · Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:41 pm

It would be great! Can anyone from mikrotik confirm that?

grusu · Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:47 pm

It would be great! Can anyone from mikrotik confirm that?

You can see more clearly here:

http://www.roc-noc.com/images/D/rb750Gr3_l_1200px.png

Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:19 am

I really hope it has USB

pe1chl · Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:41 am

You can see more clearly here:

But is there a cutout in the case? And is it working?

Fraction · Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:15 pm

If you go back to the first post you will see a USB port in the photo.
They forgot to include it in the spec overview?

They also forgot to mention SD slot and confirmed it already, so maybe we have hope.

Siona · Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:24 pm

They also forgot to mention SD slot and confirmed it already, so maybe we have hope.

That would be great!

roc-noc.com · Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:34 pm

I really hope it has USB

Yes, standard size USB port on the side. I took photos of the board top and bottom so you can see it. Very clean layout.

Siona · Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:48 pm

Great

Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:01 pm

I really hope it has USB
Yes, standard size USB port on the side. I took photos of the board top and bottom so you can see it. Very clean layout.

Thanks Tom!

Due to USB issues on other RB products the hAP AC Lite has been our Go-To device for 4G modems, im hopeful this can become the new Go-To

janisk · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:07 am

It has fully functional USB 2.0 port.

etm7469 · Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:20 pm

Hej
Dual-Core 880 MHz, MIPS1004Kc etc.. similar specification as Ubu EdgeRouter . Hmmm...Interesting.

Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:09 am

Hej
Dual-Core 880 MHz, MIPS1004Kc etc.. similar specification as Ubu EdgeRouter . Hmmm...Interesting.

same cpu as edgerouter x

Fraction · Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:12 pm

Has anyone this in real use yet? Mine should be ready for pick-up in local post office.

Ordered from Sonictest.eu, they also has these in stock already, although it is not listed on their website yet.

lmns · Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:54 pm

This would be great for traffic shaping at ~100 Mbit/s. Can't wait to see this with ROS v7 and fq_codel.

blue · Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:27 am

Mtk guys, please release block diagram. So far, my testing is telling me that "poison is packed in small packages". Really mighty device, that can be combined through VLAN with cheap Tp-Link managed switch easily. Interesting thing is that Ethernet interfaces don't show switch group. Can that be true? Every port is connected directly to cpu? Just like ccr?

BR...

pe1chl · Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:21 am

Mtk guys, please release block diagram. So far, my testing is telling me that "poison is packed in small packages". Really mighty device, that can be combined through VLAN with cheap Tp-Link managed switch easily. Interesting thing is that Ethernet interfaces don't show switch group. Can that be true? Every port is connected directly to cpu? Just like ccr?

BR...

Well it was already written that it has a MT7621A.
Just google for that and you'll find it includes a 5-port gigabit switch.
Most likely it is VLAN-capable so they use this in the usual manner to create a configurable switch that you can use as a switch or that can provide individual ethernet ports with the whole VLAN stuff out of sight in the config.

DrDEVIL666 · Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:27 pm

wifimag.ru It promises to October 18 in the presence of Moscow

markom · Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:42 pm

Just buy one after I saw this topic.
everything that I can say WOW

300/300 IPsec traffic via rb1100AHx2

BIG problem
naturally I have imminently upgrade it to 6.37.1 (Current)
EoIP with IPsec not Working. Working only upload.
Download go to max 2 mbps.
after upgrading to 6.38rc15 (Release candidate) crypto EoIP start working normally.

Fraction · Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:34 pm

Just buy one after I saw this topic.
everything that I can say WOW

300/300 IPsec traffic via rb1100AHx2

BIG problem
naturally I have imminently upgrade it to 6.37.1 (Current)
EoIP with IPsec not Working. Working only upload.
Download go to max 2 mbps.
after upgrading to 6.38rc15 (Release candidate) crypto EoIP start working normally.

Hmm.. I'm successfully running ipsec-EoIP with 6.37.1

Unic · Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:29 pm

Hi there,

Is the Hardwarenecryption working for aes256 too ?

thx. for help

mrz · Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:30 am

Yes, hw encryption works for all aes-cbc algorithms.

Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:10 pm

Will there be HW crypto for AES-GCM ?

Siona · Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:08 pm

Yes, hw encryption works for all aes-cbc algorithms.

Is it the same on 850?

Fraction · Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:17 pm

Yes, hw encryption works for all aes-cbc algorithms.

Related question, if I have both aes-128-cbc & aes-256-cbc selected in IPSec proposal, is there any way to know which one is used? Enryption tab in IPSec SA says only "aes cbc".

mrz · Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:22 pm

strongest will be preferred. You can see which one exactly is picked by enabling ipsec logs, or counting how long are keys in SAs

Fraction · Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:45 pm

strongest will be preferred. You can see which one exactly is picked by enabling ipsec logs, or counting how long are keys in SAs

Encr key was only 64 characters.

But ok, strongest first. good to know.

THG · Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:04 pm

Hej
Dual-Core 880 MHz, MIPS1004Kc etc.. similar specification as Ubu EdgeRouter . Hmmm...Interesting.

The difference is that EdgeRouter X has 256 MB NAND. EdgeOS might need 256 MB of storage space to fit all applications.

risk · Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:12 am

Can someone confirm that it supports the usual VLAN switching in hardware?

Reason why I'm asking, is that Ubiquiti edgerouter-x only does it in software, while openwrt supports VLANs on same chipset just fine.

Also, I don't see it in stock on European Amazon sites or with e.g. eurodk or senetic, but I do see it with some smaller etailers like e.g. linitx.com , anyone have any idea how long these usually take to trickle through?

bedior · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:59 am

Hej
Dual-Core 880 MHz, MIPS1004Kc etc.. similar specification as Ubu EdgeRouter . Hmmm...Interesting.
The difference is that EdgeRouter X has 256 MB NAND. EdgeOS might need 256 MB of storage space to fit all applications.

In your opinion, what better to buy, RB750Gr3 or EdgeRouter X/EdgeRouter Lite? What will be more stable with IPsec?

CsXen · Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:04 am

Hi.

Is the new RB750Gr3 metarouter-capable ? Or this router counts as multicore... and I should wait for ROs 7.x to support metarouter ?

Best regards: CsXen

janisk · Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:25 pm

it does not support MetaROUTER currently and status is unknown for v7.x (this router will not have as it has 16mb SPI flash)

naskoblg · Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:56 pm

It is the CPU MT7621A

From: http://www.mediatek.com/en/products/con ... /mt7621na/

We can see that MT7621A is:
Dual-core Network Processor for 2x2/3x3/4x4 11ac platform
MediaTek MT7621A Wi-Fi SoC contains a powerful 880 MHz MIPS® 1004KEc™ dual-core CPU, a 5-port Gigabit Ethernet switch, and a rich array of connectivity options including RGMII, PCIe, USB, SD-XC, and so on.

Why R&D of MikroTik didn't put at least USB and Wi-Fi in the new product.

We know that you can do that.

Lots of MikroTik fans will Love to see such a product.

Anyway - you already have this product. but we all want to know if there are any plans to have a product with such capabilities (DualCore/HW accel, WiFi, USB3, etc.) in the future? Maybe under hAP series?

Thanks

Raf · Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:59 pm

Why R&D of MikroTik didn't put at least USB and Wi-Fi in the new product.

We know that you can do that.

Because there will be separate product with radios in it. HEX/750 is wired only product.

Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:51 pm

it does not support MetaROUTER currently and status is unknown for v7.x (this router will not have as it has 16mb SPI flash)

Deduction: no metarouter image offload to external storage will be possible with v7. I am very sad of it.

THG · Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:58 pm

In your opinion, what better to buy, RB750Gr3 or EdgeRouter X/EdgeRouter Lite? What will be more stable with IPsec?

I have no experience of EdgeRouter X. Maybe someone else can answer your question.

Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:55 am

In your opinion, what better to buy, RB750Gr3 or EdgeRouter X/EdgeRouter Lite? What will be more stable with IPsec?

It is still too early for anyone to give you a real answer on that.

MediaTek have an SDK that they provide all manufacturers, so stability is likely to be similar.

RouterOS has a better overall feature set, but EdgeRouterX has a better IPSEC feature set due to their use of StrongSwan (IKEv2 and VTI spring to mind as features EdgeOS has that RouterOS does not)

janisk · Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:26 am

it does not support MetaROUTER currently and status is unknown for v7.x (this router will not have as it has 16mb SPI flash)
Deduction: no metarouter image offload to external storage will be possible with v7. I am very sad of it.

you might be correct, however, with the same chance you can be wrong on this.

Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:24 am

you might be correct, however, with the same chance you can be wrong on this.

Haha, just leave us guessing then

My guess is that v7 will replace MetaRouter with KVM on MIPS, and possibly ARM. There is no reason you could not store the VM images on Micro-SD in the RB750Gr3

bkbbkb · Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:39 pm

RB750Gr3 available for order in F-Center in Moscow (No tech details in the list though).
Going to have one tomorrow.

scracha · Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:47 am

Hope they update the PowerBOX with this chipset (and squeeze the RB3011 into small RB2011IL-IN case)

G2Dolphin · Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:20 am

RB750Gr3 available for order in F-Center in Moscow (No tech details in the list though).
Going to have one tomorrow.

Thanks for information! Probably gonna take a look too. Thinking of replacing 951G with it.

DrDEVIL666 · Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:07 pm

In Moscow, brought more 18 October 2016.
- Wi-fi mag = 4059 rub
- Nix = 4015 rub
- In-foteh = 3595 rub
I ordered two, waiting for the delivery!

roc-noc.com · Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:30 pm

Hope they update the PowerBOX with this chipset (and squeeze the RB3011 into small RB2011IL-IN case)

RB3011UiAS-2HnD-IN was announced early this year. Delayed until next year because of parts shortage.

roc-noc.com · Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:35 pm

It is the CPU MT7621A
From: http://www.mediatek.com/en/products/con ... /mt7621na/

We can see that MT7621A is:
Dual-core Network Processor for 2x2/3x3/4x4 11ac platform
MediaTek MT7621A Wi-Fi SoC contains a powerful 880 MHz MIPS® 1004KEc™ dual-core CPU, a 5-port Gigabit Ethernet switch, and a rich array of connectivity options including RGMII, PCIe, USB, SD-XC, and so on.

Why R&D of MikroTik didn't put at least USB and Wi-Fi in the new product.

We know that you can do that.

Lots of MikroTik fans will Love to see such a product.

Anyway - you already have this product. but we all want to know if there are any plans to have a product with such capabilities (DualCore/HW accel, WiFi, USB3, etc.) in the future? Maybe under hAP series?

Thanks

It has a USB 2.0 port on the side. http://www.roc-noc.com/pdf/RB750/hEX_r3.pdf

bkbbkb · Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:41 pm

It has a USB 2.0 port on the side. http://www.roc-noc.com/pdf/RB750/hEX_r3.pdf

Yes, and a button named 'Mode' next to it. Wonder, it isn't described in leaflet.

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:54 am

Does anyone know what the mode button does ?

msatter · Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:59 pm

Maybe the mode switch is for: "other helpful features include a USB port for attaching extra storage or a 3G/4G modem" and I read this in the specifications of the hAP ac.

I really love my RB750Gr3 because it is so fast and has a very low CPU usage. It replaced my RB750gR2 which I keep now as physical backup.

Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:20 pm

USB is able to connect all device types at once. There is no need for a switch due to that.

rbnewfan · Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:34 pm

A fellow forumer (from another forum) has tested few pieces of this new hEX. His tests show some limit of about 600 Mbit/s on-direction rate (BTest with TCP).
I'm more interested in more basic home usage with a gigabit internet connection. RB951G currently is able to carry (route) about up to real-life 950Mbit/s in a defconf configuration with few more FW rules and mangles. With fasttrack disabled the upper limit for me is about 300Mbit/s. All this is with TCP (FTP, HTTP transfers etc.)
Does the new hEX support fasttrack and is it really only able to route up to about 600Mbit/s in real life (TCP transfers) between internet and LAN? Anyone with real-life gigabit tests out there?
Thanks.

compuguy · Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:36 am

Yes, hw encryption works for all aes-cbc algorithms.

Would love hw encryption for aes-ctr, because cipher block chaining was shown to be vulnerable last year.

ndoo · Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:37 pm

A fellow forumer (from another forum) has tested few pieces of this new hEX. His tests show some limit of about 600 Mbit/s on-direction rate (BTest with TCP).
I'm more interested in more basic home usage with a gigabit internet connection. RB951G currently is able to carry (route) about up to real-life 950Mbit/s in a defconf configuration with few more FW rules and mangles. With fasttrack disabled the upper limit for me is about 300Mbit/s. All this is with TCP (FTP, HTTP transfers etc.)
Does the new hEX support fasttrack and is it really only able to route up to about 600Mbit/s in real life (TCP transfers) between internet and LAN? Anyone with real-life gigabit tests out there?
Thanks.

I was able to get Speedtest.net and iperf3 (-P1, -P5 and -P10) TCP throughput of around 810-850Mbps (defconfig NAT) on RouterOS 6.37.1 and 6.38rc15.

I ported U-Boot and LEDE (née OpenWrt) to this router and ran Speedtest.net and iperf3 as above at different U-Boot clock speeds (NAT):
880MHz: 915Mbps
900MHz: 920Mbps
1200MHz: 935Mbps
With one core at 100% due to Ethernet interrupts (softirq).

Looks like some driver optimization is still possible on RouterOS. MikroTik - overclock to 1200MHz should also be possible

compuguy · Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:58 pm

Yes, hw encryption works for all aes-cbc algorithms.
Would love hw encryption for aes-ctr, because cipher block chaining was shown to be vulnerable last year.

I should also add that I'm seeing tx issues sending data from a new RB750Gr3 with 6.37.1 to a RB1100AHx2 running 6.35.2 (using l2tp/ipsec AES 256, CBC 192). This seems to be resolved when using a non hardware accelerated AES CTR). I'm hoping its more the RB1100AHx2 being on a old firmware, than the RB750Gr3.

Zorro · Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:46 am

its cool that it had enough RAM onboard, so while you less constrained with CPU - you may actually had some use for it, then.
but maybe im wrong but Mediatek had only drivers for 2.6 linux for it before and moving upstream(in say RouterOS 7 ?)may be problematic if thats not outdated info.
limited onboard flash aren't big problem, both because purpose and built-in SD and USB interfaces(unless they remove options for booting from that interfaces from loader), but resource-wise its not flawless idea, especially considering how fast flash prices falling.

Does anyone know what the mode button does ?

once customers - press that buttons - their problems with networking - mysteriously disappear with smoke and rainbow and their may happily dance under pop/disco/indian-music that integrate speaker start emit.
there was optional cookies, herbs and tea - optinally offered by microtik resellers to further improve their customers happines during such event. *picture of random network engineer doing "in dancing with all my 40 elephans wihile i sing to you about my love" excerssise from Bollywood movie*

*waves magic wand above 750Gr3 picture. hm, not works. *went to kitched for cookies, then*

Hope they update the PowerBOX with this chipset (and squeeze the RB3011 into small RB2011IL-IN case)
RB3011UiAS-2HnD-IN was announced early this year. Delayed until next year because of parts shortage.

would be cool to see new Arm routers aswell. since SOHO CPE - start moving into 4x core territory and beyond that - its become necessity, actually.

A few words of warning about Micro-SD cards.

If you are going to store "The Dude" database on micro-sd you would be wise to use a MLC based Micro-SD card.

i think SLC would be even better in that respect. about ~30x times bigger resource than MLC flash had (about 100x more than TLC had)or so if you care about endurance and partially speed - bit more than density or cost.

Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:54 am

i think SLC would be even better in that respect. about ~30x times or so if you care about endurance and partially speed - bit more than density or cost.

Agreed, unfortunately they are really expensive.

The MLC based Sandisk Endurance and Lexar 633X cards are readily available, widely respected and reasonably priced. They are also known to handle large numbers of writes.

Zorro · Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:03 pm

i think SLC would be even better in that respect. about ~30x times or so if you care about endurance and partially speed - bit more than density or cost.
Agreed, unfortunately they are really expensive.

The MLC based Sandisk Endurance and Lexar 633X cards are readily available, widely respected and reasonably priced. They are also known to handle large numbers of writes.

not true. they ARENT expensive.
they just smaller "for almost same prices".
eg bit more than 2-3x reduction, but fair-looking.
just stay away from scaming brands with overpriced SLC-labeled junk.
and no, Toshiba flash(both SanDisk -branded and their own) and their controllers - are terrible in my opinion. not only compared to say Hynix, Samsung or Micron, Intel, even to some 2rd and third echelon brands. can't say anything good or bad about Lexar. never heard about or used or know anyone who had(bud saw lot of annyong ads online about).
there was several consumer brands that sell and keep selling industrial and consumer flash cards and SSD with SLC flash for decade or so.
market-wise my preferece was irrelevant and choices are to rest consumers, generally so anyone whiching to buy some SLC storage - may and eventually would do some market research about, relevant to their location/market/region.
and no, i repeat, MLC and especially TLC flash - are disposable junk. no use for anything that storing short-living memories in say digital cameras "shortly before transfer to PC" or in disposable USB-flashdrives with random stuff.

p.s.
some brands avertise "SLC mode" for their MLC flash which do improve their speed considerably as well as buffer increase and controller improvements, but generally almost not improve their (ridiculously short)resource.

Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:34 pm

with recent progress in MLC reliability and endurance, is hard to justify SLC costs in most scenarios, MLC gives 2x the capacity of SLC with the same cells that means SLC cost double or gives half the capacity of MLC.

Of course SLC have its niche in very i/o intensive workloads, for example caching and heavy enterprise applications where performance and endurance justify the costs

The real problem of is with TLC (and incoming QLC ) endurance and write performance penalty is very big, because that some implementations of TLC have a portion of nand in SLC mode acting as a cache for the drive.

risk · Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:20 pm

re: flash technologies, I don't think cell density (slc,mlc,tlc,...) matters as much for low capacity router flash, I think what matters more is the interface (whether the chip talk nor, or nand), and how you boot off of the chip, which filesystem you choose to put on top of the chip, and what you choose to mlock considering that interface to flash tends to be really slow.

Also, putting 1 or 2 GiB of flash onto a mips router begs the question: "What would it be used for?" Would there be any use for it other than with metarouter?

Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:50 pm

Web cache.
Backup partitions.

roc-noc.com · Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:52 am

It has a USB 2.0 port on the side. http://www.roc-noc.com/pdf/RB750/hEX_r3.pdf
Yes, and a button named 'Mode' next to it. Wonder, it isn't described in leaflet.

I was wondering the same thing and checked with Mikrotik support. "RB750Gr3 Mode button currently does nothing, it is added for future use. There is no specific functionality decided yet."

DrDEVIL666 · Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:34 pm

Surely no one noticed that it and USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 (if you go to System -> routerboard -> USB)

so can and will be a key switch USB mode?

nkourtzis · Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:09 pm

As I just saw, the button on the side of the new mAP2nD also says "Reset/Mode".

paulct · Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:44 pm

Apparently it enables ROS v7....

Zorro · Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:42 am

with recent progress in MLC reliability and endurance, is hard to justify SLC costs in most scenarios, MLC gives 2x the capacity of SLC with the same cells that means SLC cost double or gives half the capacity of MLC.

Of course SLC have its niche in very i/o intensive workloads, for example caching and heavy enterprise applications where performance and endurance justify the costs

The real problem of is with TLC (and incoming QLC ) endurance and write performance penalty is very big, because that some implementations of TLC have a portion of nand in SLC mode acting as a cache for the drive.

nope.
and as long "progress" in MLC manufacturing - most limits to 3D multi-layer density increase, transistors decreas.
charge retentions change - only affect power consumption(and slightly achievable density w/o affecting reliability).
controllers improvements - do contribute somewhat to both SLC, MLC and TLC flash memory endurance, but at marginal scale.
SLC was still 30x-40x superior to MLC and remain in future, constantly improved and used for exactly same reason.
real problem with MLC, TLC, QLC is ... their introduction and use. there shouldn't be such evil/crazy/weak things in market or production.
but i hope that MRAM and ReRAM was solve solid state stalemate that crippled us for long time. being faster than SRAM(down to 0.3ns),more radiation resilent than anything except FRAM on market, less-volatile than even flash are(decades of retention w/o need of refresh or re-cycle) and more power-efficient than anything else too.
PCM memory(like say "3D XPoint" -branded) sucks almost as flash are, only marginally better than flash and basically similar dead-end.

Fraction · Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:31 am

Have to say that after 2 weeks I'm still loving this little Beast. Have not had any issues with the device so far..

It seems to be stable and powerful enough to do wirespeed routing between users and servers in gigabit network and run IPSec-tunnels (aes-256-cbc) over 100Mbit Internet-connection.

Definitely worth of it's price!

Auk · Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:30 pm

Hi everyone, I'm new to MikroTik and was almost ready to order one of the new hEX RB750Gr3, but some of the recent discussion threads have cast a little doubt into my thinking. If I may I'd like to double check if the RB750Gr3 really will be suitable for my requirements which will include IPTV for a couple of users.

My internet connection (fibre to cabinet) is a maximum 70/20 Mbps for the foreseeable future, wired devices on the LAN will be connected via a Layer 3 switch (Linksys LGS528) and we have a good wireless access point. For now I think the performance priorities are security and minimising latency when concurrent devices are vying for internet bandwidth. It looks like the RB750Gr3 has more than enough processing power, but my uncertainty on whether to buy it are:

Noob friendliness?

Is the hEX configured easily to a basic, secure setup? I don't expect this to be like a Netgear or some ISP supplied router, but so as not to disrupt anyone else I'd like to have something up and running immediately, then learn about more advanced things as I find time. I really don't want to end up with some horribly bad lack of security/firewall due to my ignorance.

Is it possible to disable all of the ethernet port LEDs?

I see in the wiki there is an instruction page for disabling system LEDs, does this include all the port lights on the hEX?

Future updates of RouterOS v6 or upgrading v7?

I see multiple mentions of the 16Mb storage and how it may be limiting. Is it certain that there is no upgrade path to RouterOS v7 for the RB750Gr3? If there are no security implications for the long term it may not be a problem anyway. If we assume no upgrade to v7, will v6 continue to be updated for some years?

Also (and this is less important, but I'm curious) which features might be part of RouterOS v7 that would be a strong incentive to choose a different MikroTik?

No VLAN support?

Does this mean that if I create VLANs with the Linksys switch the RB750Gr3 will not be compatible? Or does it mean that VLANs created on my switch will be compatible and the RB750Gr3 can still do the NAT and firewall? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I really do have a lot to learn!

Dual core issue affecting IPTV?

I read on another thread that a dual core specific problem identified in RB850Gx2 negatively impacts IPTV. Specifically there are artefacts relating to the "reordering of packets." The RB750Gr3 CPU architecture is different, would the same bug manifest on the RB750Gr3?

If there is any chance IPTV will be disrupted I will be required to consider an alternative product.

Thank you.

DrDEVIL666 · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:15 am

Understand whether RB750Gr3 inserted into the USB port wi-fi module?
And if I can through the USB wi-fi customers to distribute wi-fi network?

huntermic · Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:55 am

-Upgrading should not be an issue
-VLAN's do work
-IPTV does work perfectly
-Configuring is not that hard

i know all this because i use the device on a 100/100mb fiber connection with VLAN's used for IPTV and Internet.

Hi everyone, I'm new to MikroTik and was almost ready to order one of the new hEX RB750Gr3, but some of the recent discussion threads have cast a little doubt into my thinking. If I may I'd like to double check if the RB750Gr3 really will be suitable for my requirements which will include IPTV for a couple of users.

My internet connection (fibre to cabinet) is a maximum 70/20 Mbps for the foreseeable future, wired devices on the LAN will be connected via a Layer 3 switch (Linksys LGS528) and we have a good wireless access point. For now I think the performance priorities are security and minimising latency when concurrent devices are vying for internet bandwidth. It looks like the RB750Gr3 has more than enough processing power, but my uncertainty on whether to buy it are:

Noob friendliness?

Is the hEX configured easily to a basic, secure setup? I don't expect this to be like a Netgear or some ISP supplied router, but so as not to disrupt anyone else I'd like to have something up and running immediately, then learn about more advanced things as I find time. I really don't want to end up with some horribly bad lack of security/firewall due to my ignorance.
Is it possible to disable all of the ethernet port LEDs?

I see in the wiki there is an instruction page for disabling system LEDs, does this include all the port lights on the hEX?
Future updates of RouterOS v6 or upgrading v7?

I see multiple mentions of the 16Mb storage and how it may be limiting. Is it certain that there is no upgrade path to RouterOS v7 for the RB750Gr3? If there are no security implications for the long term it may not be a problem anyway. If we assume no upgrade to v7, will v6 continue to be updated for some years?

Also (and this is less important, but I'm curious) which features might be part of RouterOS v7 that would be a strong incentive to choose a different MikroTik?
No VLAN support?

Does this mean that if I create VLANs with the Linksys switch the RB750Gr3 will not be compatible? Or does it mean that VLANs created on my switch will be compatible and the RB750Gr3 can still do the NAT and firewall? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I really do have a lot to learn!
Dual core issue affecting IPTV?

I read on another thread that a dual core specific problem identified in RB850Gx2 negatively impacts IPTV. Specifically there are artefacts relating to the "reordering of packets." The RB750Gr3 CPU architecture is different, would the same bug manifest on the RB750Gr3?

If there is any chance IPTV will be disrupted I will be required to consider an alternative product.
Thank you.

huntermic · Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:45 am

I do however fear the limited lifetime of the 16MB flash.......

Zorro · Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:30 am

mediatek also had 4x core variation of this chip. they didn't comment bout how(when, how)it was available and how used, but it do exist.
~ same package, ~same price, just consume 0.6W~0.8W more for 2x more performance or something like that.

poli26 · Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:08 pm

pppoe nat speed?

risk · Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:15 am

Understand whether RB750Gr3 inserted into the USB port wi-fi module?
And if I can through the USB wi-fi customers to distribute wi-fi network?

You should look into wAP ac/hAP ac/hAP ac lite/... Checkout http://routerboard.com

DrDEVIL666 · Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:43 am

You should look into wAP ac/hAP ac/hAP ac lite/... Checkout http://routerboard.com

I would not want to use another equipment for the wi-fi, Surely no one tried to solve this issue?

Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:34 pm

You should look into wAP ac/hAP ac/hAP ac lite/... Checkout http://routerboard.com
I would not want to use another equipment for the wi-fi, Surely no one tried to solve this issue?

is not an issue, you just need a different product

Zorro · Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:52 pm

surely HAPr2 and HAP ACr2 will follow soon-ish, i gues

Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:05 am

surely HAPr2 and HAP ACr2 will follow soon-ish, i gues

i hope that too

blihtar · Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:19 pm

RB750Gr3

CPU usage in profile >> winbox show 100% unclassified

kivimart · Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:22 pm

RB750Gr3

CPU usage in profile >> winbox show 100% unclassified

Same here

Skickat från min Nexus 6P via Tapatalk

anuser · Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:52 pm

What EoIP performance (without IPSec) could we expect (roughly) with the RB750Gr3?
more than 1 Gbit/s?
more than 2 Gbit/s?
more than 3 Gbit/s?
more than 4 Gbit/s?
more than 5 Gbit/s?

pe1chl · Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:08 pm

Come on, it has an external 1Gbit port and an internal 1Gbit switch...

anuser · Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:44 pm

Come on, it has an external 1Gbit port and an internal 1Gbit switch...

Well, it has 5 ports with 1Gbit, so 5x 1x 2x = 10 Gbit/s total throughput for switching, but probably not for EoIP?

pe1chl · Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:50 pm

I advise you to apply for a position at the marketing department of another router manufacturer...

Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:18 am

What EoIP performance (without IPSec) could we expect (roughly) with the RB750Gr3?
more than 1 Gbit/s?
more than 2 Gbit/s?
more than 3 Gbit/s?
more than 4 Gbit/s?
more than 5 Gbit/s?

taking in count the block diagram

http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB750G ... 104519.png

theoretical max of 2gbit for any aggregated traffic passing by the cpu (that includes eoip)

How many traffic you move on rb750gr2 on eopi??

packet size??

anuser · Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:33 pm

Great, thanks for the diagram! Currently it is meant for 100 Mbit/s traffic @1500byte frames. Just layer 2 over layer 3, no firewall. It is meant for getting layer 2 traffic from different old fashioned wifi controller with about 300 clients maximum a central gateway.

Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:23 pm

Great, thanks for the diagram! Currently it is meant for 100 Mbit/s traffic @1500byte frames. Just layer 2 over layer 3, no firewall. It is meant for getting layer 2 traffic from different old fashioned wifi controller with about 300 clients maximum a central gateway.

i think a scenario like that will be more appropriate for a ccr1009

i think improved version of hEX (gr3) is not to position the device as a product for bigger implementations, i think is for same size implementations, but to be able to endure the growth in bandwidth available form ISP's to clients

msatter · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:30 am

What EoIP performance (without IPSec) could we expect (roughly) with the RB750Gr3?
.
.
taking in count the block diagram

http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB750G ... 104519.png

theoretical max of 2gbit for any aggregated traffic passing by the cpu (that includes eoip)

How many traffic you move on rb750gr2 on eopi??

packet size??

Looking at the HEX Gr3 brochure it would be half of that when you look at the performance table. 1Gb/s (986 Mbps) for the HEX G2 against the 1972 Mbps for the HEX Gr3.

risk · Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:13 pm

How much throughput can you get with SFQ and 1500 packets? (on RB750Gr3)

Edelbi1977 · Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:23 am

very interesting revision
I Live in Abu Dhabi UAE and I was trying to get the new revisions of Hex and MAP since first of October but none of the authorized dealers or reseller's listed on mikrotik website have it in stuck
even they don't give you an expected date to have it. instead they keep offering you the old revisions.
any one can help ..!!

risk · Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:45 pm

very interesting revision
I Live in Abu Dhabi UAE and I was trying to get the new revisions of Hex and MAP since first of October ...

Maybe eurodk will ship it.

kenyloveg · Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:44 pm

Any one get more than 140 Mbps over PPPoE client (simple NAT without other rules)? I can't, like HAP AC
Strange thing is CPU load can't exceed 35%. I doubt ROS has pppoe client performance issue. (tried same config on RB951G. HAP AC, RB750Gr3)

Alex013 · Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:42 pm

I ported U-Boot and LEDE (née OpenWrt) to this router and ran Speedtest.net and iperf3 as above at different U-Boot clock speeds (NAT)

Please help me find the how-to U-Boot firmware on RB750Gr3.

praetorianwls · Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:39 pm

Hello
I have a question (newbie)
Mikrotik RB750Gr3 can sustain 1Gbps throughput traffic + a bgp session with 70 LAN clients + 1 dhcp server
Thank you

onnoossendrijver · Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:30 am

Maybe if that BGP session does not import a full routing table and you don't use heavy firewall and qos rules.

Nixlog · Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:13 am

I want new RB750Gr3-2 model to terminate all my remote offices. This model must be equal to current RB750Gr3 but should have 128mb+ storage and only solid capacitors - price may increase up to 80$. Ah, new button... Hold the button, plug power and boot from next partition. Dreams, dreams...

Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:00 pm

FYI it looks like block diagram has changes a little bit

see: https://routerboard.com/RB750Gr3

http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB750G ... 140316.png
and/or
http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/RB750G ... 152443.png

onnoossendrijver · Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:07 pm

Good to know!
Thank you!

doneware · Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:40 pm

RB750Gr3
CPU usage in profile >> winbox show 100% unclassified

issue is tracked as Ticket#2016112522001898
OTOH you can still use

/sys resource cpu print interval=1

to show per thread/core utilisation. and it does not show 100% all the time.

[admin@MikroTik] > /tool profile 
NAME                    CPU        USAGE
unclassified            all         100%

[admin@MikroTik] > /tool profile cpu=all 
NAME                    CPU        USAGE
unclassified              0         100%

[admin@MikroTik] > /sys reso cpu print interval=1
 # CPU                                                                                              LOAD         IRQ        DISK
 0 cpu0                                                                                              0%          0%          0%
 1 cpu1                                                                                              0%          0%          0%
 2 cpu2                                                                                              0%          0%          0%
 3 cpu3                                                                                              0%          0%          0%

R1CH · Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:40 am

Ordered one of these for a basic QoS / NAT setup. Hopefully it won't choke on 500mbps downstream, also curious if the RB850Gx2 dual core DNS server / packet eating bug applies to this model too.

Zorro · Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:32 am

Great, thanks for the diagram! Currently it is meant for 100 Mbit/s traffic @1500byte frames. Just layer 2 over layer 3, no firewall. It is meant for getting layer 2 traffic from different old fashioned wifi controller with about 300 clients maximum a central gateway.

"no firewall" meant "switch" usage scenario, NOT a "router". thats completely Different product for different purpose.
and nope, even 4x core version of such chip(mediatek had 1, 2x, 4x -core chips with 2x, 4x, 8x streams(SMT)respectively)barely can handle even 1Gbps in more serious than just "bare EOIP". usage.
newer 64Bit multicore(clustered by 4x generally, in most vendors. few SDN-tailored many-core chips are ~ exceptions. and yet rare on market, sadly) MIPS chips (low-cost, compared to previous ones) and newer A53 and A32/A35 -based low-power multi-core ARM networking SoC - may be more interesting option for. within 9~ month first devices on - ought to hit market(first two withn 4 months i hope).

5nik · Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:34 pm

Switch chip currently doesn't support any rules. It is hardware or software (ROS) restrictions?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:23 am

Switch chip currently doesn't support any rules. It is hardware or software (ROS) restrictions?

I noticed that too. Are these features planned ?

msatter · Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:14 pm

This little box is really a great asset, despite some stuff is still not completely functional. However we can work around it and hope that the last bits will be tackled in time.

Mikrotik was really focused on the development of RouterOS lately and a LOT was done in many areas for which many thanks.

I was frustrated when my IPsec+LP2T went the blink on moving to the RB750Gr3 and I have now IKE2 and I am totally happy again.

When you are not afraid to not only invest in hardware but also in learning how to work with RouterOS you will have a great time and never have the feeling that you now it all. So much to learn and discover new way to make your life in working with networks and the internet.

Zorro · Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:29 pm

the most downside its tend to be sold as "hEX" units, to increase confusion and etc. i wish MirkTik introduce NEW model, named like say "zEH" or "qEH" or "gEX" or whatever different it may be.

w0lt · Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:19 pm

Switch chip currently doesn't support any rules. It is hardware or software (ROS) restrictions?
I noticed that too. Are these features planned ?

Also, no Switch Chip Vlan-Header support?

-tp

Swordforthelord · Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:07 pm

I've got two of these things, one on a 75x75 fiber connection and one on a 100x10 cable connection. I've set up an IPSEC tunnel between the two using IKEv2, AES-128, SHA-1, and modp1024 for both phase 1 and 2. The strange thing is, no matter which direction I iperf to, I can't get more than 15 mbps. The hardware I have on both ends to iperf from is fully capable of saturating a 100mpbs link and I would think in theory I should at least be able to get 75mbps going from the fiber to the cable side. Any ideas where I might be going wrong?

msatter · Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:58 am

I've got two of these things, one on a 75x75 fiber connection and one on a 100x10 cable connection. I've set up an IPSEC tunnel between the two using IKEv2, AES-128, SHA-1, and modp1024 for both phase 1 and 2. The strange thing is, no matter which direction I iperf to, I can't get more than 15 mbps. The hardware I have on both ends to iperf from is fully capable of saturating a 100mpbs link and I would think in theory I should at least be able to get 75mbps going from the fiber to the cable side. Any ideas where I might be going wrong?

There is a bit in the Wiki about this and you have to avoid packet fragmentation and the packet reordering is resolved in 6.39RC if I remember well.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP ... imizations

On reordering:

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... ng#p576115

Swordforthelord · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:59 pm

There is a bit in the Wiki about this and you have to avoid packet fragmentation and the packet reordering is resolved in 6.39RC if I remember well.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP ... imizations

On reordering:

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... ng#p576115

Thanks! I was unaware of the 6.39 changes. I've now upgraded both sides; I was already reducing the MTU. I have noticed that when only 1 packet per iperf test is affected by my MTU rules though; not sure if that should be the case. Unfortunately upgrading to 6.39 did not produce any changes. I've also tried reducing my firewall rules to the Mikrotik defaults (leaving the IPSEC and MTU rules in place) and disabling Fasttrack but still no change.

msatter · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:55 pm

The reordering is not good interpretated by me. It is still present and the link I used was for PPP connections.

Enri · Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:26 pm

Hi,

Can RB750Gr3 support Link Aggregation? I want to hook it up to my QNAP NAS

Thanks

R1CH · Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:46 am

I deployed a RB750Gr3 at a client with basic office NAT / DHCP / DNS and a queue tree for a 300mbps cable connection. After ~12 hours, the device stopped responding to ping. After a few minutes, pings came back but all usermode services appeared dead - no DNS, no winbox, nothing. Had to have the client reboot due to no DNS causing their internet to be effectively dead. After the reboot I had a window to upgrade the ROS and firmware (factory version was a couple of versions behind). Has anyone ever experienced anything like this before with this board? I made a big deal of how reliable a Mikrotik router would be over the current consumer stuff they were using and this is not a very good first impression

.

pe1chl · Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:25 am

You probably did not set a good password and the device was hacked, and the hacker started to play with it.
(press the upgrade firmware button etc)

R1CH · Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:15 pm

Nothing was accessible from WAN.

Update: I seem to have been able to reproduce it by resetting the modem. The DHCP client got stuck in "rebinding", the IP on the routerboard remained active to pings and established connections, but new connections disappeared into the void (no hits on the firewall DROP rule). Maybe the shitty modem was blocking all WAN connections until it saw the IP was bound? Luckily I had an active SSH session that didn't timeout during the reboot, which is how I was able to diagnose this.

Auk · Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:43 pm

If you are going to store "The Dude" database on micro-sd...
... Cheap Junk Micro-SD cards you will likely wear it out very quickly

Further to this advice, can anyone advise what would be the minimum capacity microSD card to consider for a small home/office network?

I was looking at the high endurance cards and the 64GB should last just over 16 months if recording 24/7 at the rated spec, but maybe that's overkill for this? So I guess the question is really how much data can The Dude write?

16GB: 3,000 hours
32GB: 6,000 hours
64GB: 12,000 hours

Based on Full HD (1920x1080P) video content recorded at 26 Mbps at 30°C on Transcend DrivePro series. Performance may vary due to host hardware, software and usage.

Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:24 pm

endurance measures on gigabytes writen not hours

in my opinion is best to not trust that trascend specs

Zorro · Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:14 am

endurance measures on gigabytes writen not hours

in my opinion is best to not trust that trascend specs

actually its measured in cycles of write for each cell.
transcend-wise they had both SLC ("industrial"-labaeled)products and bit more cheap "SuperMLC" which quite meh compared to SLC, yet bit better than MLC and TLC, but mostly in speed, resource increase quite marginal.
SLC tend to sustain 40x(or even 100x, depend sub-type or implementations, compared)bigger resource than MLC had, generally

Auk · Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:58 pm

endurance... ....trascend specs

If it was just a claim for hours use I wouldn't trust it and question under what conditions, but the last line of the previous post: "26 Mbps at 30°C" is the condition stated by Transcend. I would say that constant 30°C is very optimistic for dashcam users but you wouldn’t expect to be driving 24/7 either.

nicutdk · Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:45 pm

Hello

missing user manager.

msatter · Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:35 pm

Hello

missing user manager.

That is correct. There is no usermanager for the RB750Gr3.

PPi · Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:27 pm

I need to tie two networks together via Internet that both are not behind static IP. Since RouterOS is now past version 6.14, I think I can expect I will be able to use both MikroTik Cloud and OpenVPN to establish a bridge between two RB750Gr3, right?

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:37 pm

Hello

missing user manager.

maybe for training or practicing is a missing feature, but for production environments is not, remember this device has level 4 license because that will be limited to only 20 concurrent usermanager sessions

if you have a remote usermanager you can use the rb750gr3 to do hotspot with 200 concurrent users, more than enough for this size of device

icecybe · Thu May 11, 2017 9:35 am

Hello

missing user manager.
That is correct. There is no usermanager for the RB750Gr3.

prosha · Tue May 23, 2017 9:56 am

I ported U-Boot and LEDE (née OpenWrt) to this router

Hi, give me the link to the detailed guide or how to. Is it possible to do this without a spi programmer?

deanMKD1 · Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:45 am

Why Wireless tab is showing into this device, when this device dont have wireless at all ? Pls remove it from menu, its useless.

RoS 6.40.5

Cha0s · Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:47 am

It's because you have the wireless package installed/enabled.

Remove/Disable it, reboot and will go away.

deanMKD1 · Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:49 am

It's because you have the wireless package installed/enabled.

Remove/Disable it, reboot and will go away.

I just downloaded main package for Hex mmips and upgraded.. Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.

docmarius · Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:08 am

Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.

Because you might want to use CAPsMAN on the device? So it is actually not that funny.

deanMKD1 · Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:04 am

Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.
Because you might want to use CAPsMAN on the device? So it is actually not that funny.

You must to have other AP to use Capsman.

pe1chl · Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:37 am

Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.
Because you might want to use CAPsMAN on the device? So it is actually not that funny.
You must to have other AP to use Capsman.

Yes. And then you can use the RB750Gr3 to manage it. And for that you need the wireless package. When you don't want it,
you can disable it. Just like MPLS (are you using that?), hotspot (only useful when you have an AP), and in many cases routing as well.
One nice property of RouterOS is that almost the same software is running on all the models, and you can customize it.
When you want to keep iterating that this is funny or strange, maybe it is not the ideal system for you.

janisk · Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:30 pm

Why Wireless tab is showing into this device, when this device dont have wireless at all ? Pls remove it from menu, its useless.

RoS 6.40.5

it is perfect router to serve as CAPsMAN for a small home network (my case) or small office. As I use APs with reduced TX power to limit self-interference.

Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:54 pm

It's because you have the wireless package installed/enabled.

Remove/Disable it, reboot and will go away.
I just downloaded main package for Hex mmips and upgraded.. Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.

just disable wireless package

Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:10 pm

Or rather uninstall it.

pe1chl · Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:14 pm

Or rather uninstall it.

Unfortunately devices are shipped with the "bundle package" by default so this normally cannot be done unless you have done a custom netinstall - in which case you of course would have omitted that package.

Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:17 pm

No need to custom netinstall. Just put there selected packages of higher version and reboot.

deanMKD1 · Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:18 am

It's because you have the wireless package installed/enabled.

Remove/Disable it, reboot and will go away.
I just downloaded main package for Hex mmips and upgraded.. Why wireless package is inserted into main, when device dont support wireless? its funny.

just disable wireless package

Disabled. I dont use CapsMAN and for that dont need it. Now all is working perfect.

deanMKD1 · Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:49 am

Any date when userman will be available for Rb750gr3? Or no chances to get for this device?

mikruser · Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:44 pm

When will AES-CTR be added to RB750Gr3?

Etz · Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:07 am

No need to custom netinstall. Just put there selected packages of higher version and reboot.

Nice to know...so far I have NetInstalled all my routers to get rid of unneeded packages.