MikroTik News February 2018 (Issue #80)

Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:56 am

In this MikroTik newsletter:

* new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP, $69
* new cAP ac Dual Band Wall/Ceiling AP, $69
* new CRS112-8P-4S-IN with eight PoE-out ports, $179
* new LHG XL 5 ac, Long Range 27dBi 5GHz with 802.11ac support, $99
* new LHG XL 2, Long Range 21dBi 2.4GHz, $68
* new LDF ac with 802.11ac and Gigabit Ethernet, $59
* LTE miniPCI-e cards, from $69
* wAP60G available in AP and CPE versions, from $99
* Match websites in firewall
* MUM schedule
* Train-the-Trainer course in Riga, Latvia

Download the newsletter here:
http://mt.lv/news80

MikroTik Team.

patrick7 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:11 am

RouterOS v7, how cool is that!

freemannnn · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:21 am

waiting for that 16 ports poe switch!

UMarcus · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:30 am

..
* new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP, $69
...

Does this device provide more real WLAN throughput as the hAP ac (i saw never more than ~130MBit even if i had a 866MBit WIFI 5GHz connection) ?

Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:38 am

Umarcus,
wireless throughput strongly depends on client wireless interface (1chain/2chain/3chain/etc.).
hAP AC and modern macbook may reach ~600-700Mbps, hAP AC to hAP AC ~700Mbps of _real_ throughput.

blingblouw · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:52 am

So its my understanding that the new hap ac has wave 2 support?

Does that mean that the driver does as well? i.e. does it support all features of wave2 already or will that come at a later stage? Can the AP transmit to multiple clients on different spatial streams simultaneously?

deanMKD1 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:08 am

@sergejs
is HAP ac 2 have the same 1000mW radio as previous HAP ac? i dont see output power in details.

UMarcus · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:23 am

Umarcus,
wireless throughput strongly depends on client wireless interface (1chain/2chain/3chain/etc.).
hAP AC and modern macbook may reach ~600-700Mbps, hAP AC to hAP AC ~700Mbps of _real_ throughput.

Ok. May be it also depend on the CAPsMAN configuration ? If yes what are the most limit factor ? The CAPsMAN (in my case CRS124) or the CAP (in my case hAP AC) ?

My phone are able to transfer more than 130MBit for sure, I saw this while connected to an AcccesPoint of other Vendor in the same Network. It reports 5GHz / 866MBit WLAN connection in both cases, but in the end the hAP AC only gave a throughput of ~130MBit.

soulflyhigh · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:26 am

waiting for that 16 ports poe switch!

+1

dadaniel · Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 pm

* Match websites in firewall

What about matching non-secure traffic with wildcards directly in firewall? Still not possible?

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:08 pm

So its my understanding that the new hap ac has wave 2 support?

Does that mean that the driver does as well? i.e. does it support all features of wave2 already or will that come at a later stage? Can the AP transmit to multiple clients on different spatial streams simultaneously?

Currently we don't have support for the wave2 features in the software for this board.

deanMKD1 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:40 pm

@uldis can you answer on my previous question pls ?

pietroscherer · Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:39 pm

Hello,

Static link aggregation on CRS112-8P-4S-IN refers to non switch mode, correct?

Thank you.

AlainCasault · Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:50 pm

waiting for that 16 ports poe switch!

+1

macsrwe · Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:05 pm

Love the POE switch. Is it really that much additional engineering expense to offer an additional version of these devices in a weatherproof case like the PowerBox? Do you believe there is no market? Outdoor equipment is the norm where we are.

Beone · Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:30 pm

only 2x2 chains? (hap ac and wap ac have 3x3 on 5ghz)

Would love a 3x3 2ghz and 5ghz design including PoE 802.3at/af support design! Stable Enterprise switches just don't do passive-poe 24V and is a nightmare to configure (shorts if you don't watch out)

mistry7 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:52 pm

RouterOS v7, how cool is that!

Did you see something I missed?

jo2jo · Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:19 am

..
* new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP, $69
...

Does this device provide more real WLAN throughput as the hAP ac (i saw never more than ~130MBit even if i had a 866MBit WIFI 5GHz connection) ?

See this post: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=113830

Im seeing same max speed issues (on hapAC, wAP ac) , with EXTENSIVE testings (and side-by-side comparisons, in varied environments, to other mfg 3x3 5g ac products ).

I do find it very interesting that the new AC capable APs announced today (feb 18 newsletter) are v2 of the product line, yet are 2x2 chain (when v1 of the product line was 3x3 chains). Yet the v1 products act almost exactly as if 1 of the 3 chains is not working (or is malfunctioning) (at 2.4 and more so at 5g ac).

Dont get me wrong please, Im fully aware of (and use) the power of RouterOS (its un-matched at any price point), but there is a real issue with 3 chain 5g AC on these products.

On a different note, on the newly announced CRS112-8P-4S-IN (new 8 port POE SW !), can you use 24v AND 48v POE at the same time (ie like on the ubnt edgeswitch line)?, ie on the CRS112-8P-4S-IN , can you attach BOTH 24v and 48v PSU inputs and then have some ports @ 24v passive, and some eth ports @ poe at/af ? (on many installs ive had to put 2x 960PGS (hexPOE) rb's next to each other due to needing more than 4x POE ports, or needing 24v on some eth ports (ie other MTs) , and poe on other eths (ie IPcams).

thanks!
(i love it when my inbox shows a new MT newsletter pdf!)

UMarcus · Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:49 am

..
* new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP, $69
...

Does this device provide more real WLAN throughput as the hAP ac (i saw never more than ~130MBit even if i had a 866MBit WIFI 5GHz connection) ?

See this post: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=113830

Im seeing same max speed issues (on hapAC, wAP ac) , with EXTENSIVE testings (and side-by-side comparisons, in varied environments, to other mfg 3x3 5g ac products ).

...

Thank you for that hint. Exactly same issue here. Hopefully MT could solve that issue. Regards.

JimmyNyholm · Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:00 pm

RouterOS v7, how cool is that!

The what and where now? Nothing that I see in that Issue mentions V7???

anuser · Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:42 pm

Ok. May be it also depend on the CAPsMAN configuration ? If yes what are the most limit factor ? The CAPsMAN (in my case CRS124) or the CAP (in my case hAP AC) ?

In CAPSMAN setup with CAPSMAN forwarding enabled the CAP creates a tunnel to the CAPSMAN controller. This needs CPU power. With CAP AC with its 4 cores I expect higher throughput.

including PoE 802.3at/af support design! Stable Enterprise switches just don't do passive-poe 24V and is a nightmare to configure (shorts if you don't watch out)

CAP AC can be powered by 802.3at/803.3af - Did I miss something?

Spirch · Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:29 am

availability in Canada for

* new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP, $69
* new cAP ac Dual Band Wall/Ceiling AP, $69

???

borkbork · Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:32 am

Ok. May be it also depend on the CAPsMAN configuration ? If yes what are the most limit factor ? The CAPsMAN (in my case CRS124) or the CAP (in my case hAP AC) ?
In CAPSMAN setup with CAPSMAN forwarding enabled the CAP creates a tunnel to the CAPSMAN controller. This needs CPU power. With CAP AC with its 4 cores I expect higher throughput.

including PoE 802.3at/af support design! Stable Enterprise switches just don't do passive-poe 24V and is a nightmare to configure (shorts if you don't watch out)
CAP AC can be powered by 802.3at/803.3af - Did I miss something?

hAP ac2 is passive POE in, that's what disappointed me. I need those extra Gb ports, but all my infrastructure is 802.3af/at based. Not looking forward to the extra mess.

anuser · Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:14 pm

hAP ac2 is passive POE in, that's what disappointed me. I need those extra Gb ports, but all my infrastructure is 802.3af/at based. Not looking forward to the extra mess.

Well CAP ac has dual "PoE in" support and that is the device you actually want in an enterprise environment. 1 port in, one additional port for another access point (HAP AC lite) powered by the CAP AC.
https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

PoE in 	802.3af/at

Number of DC inputs 	1 (PoE-IN)

R1CH · Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:47 am

So its my understanding that the new hap ac has wave 2 support?

Does that mean that the driver does as well? i.e. does it support all features of wave2 already or will that come at a later stage? Can the AP transmit to multiple clients on different spatial streams simultaneously?
Currently we don't have support for the wave2 features in the software for this board.

Is this support planned? All the Qualcomm SOCs these days are Wave2, it would be great if the software could support such features as client devices like cell phones have had Wave2 support for a long time as they're almost all using Qualcomm chips too.

feris · Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:57 pm

Nice new products, but honestly there's too many those small =<5 ports routers models.
RB2011 definitely needs refresh. HeX and such are very capable but most of sites I operate needs more than 4 and less than 9 ports for LAN.
There is also lots of problems with LTE over USB modems.
Well RBM11G with 10 GE ports,usb,case,serial port and optional kit with R11e-LTE is my dream site router.

darkprocess · Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:09 pm

When wil Ltap and ltap mini be available?

sid5632 · Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:24 pm

Nice new products, but honestly there's too many those small =<5 ports routers models.
HeX and such are very capable but most of sites I operate needs more than 4 and less than 9 ports for LAN.

Yes, I want an 8 port switch with decent routing capabilities too. Small CRS is not up to it.

pcunite · Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:36 pm

Excellent news on the PoE switch! Nice work, MikroTik. I have a 28 IP network camera installation coming up in May of this year. Could really use a rackmount 24 port PoE switch too!

purplecloud · Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:29 am

RouterOS v7, how cool is that!
The what and where now? Nothing that I see in that Issue mentions V7???

I think it was a mistake...

raffav · Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:54 am

RouterOS v7, how cool is that!
The what and where now? Nothing that I see in that Issue mentions V7???
I think it was a mistake...

I think he was joking about that.

Enviado de meu XT1580 usando Tapatalk

eworm · Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:12 pm

Excellent news on the PoE switch! Nice work, MikroTik. I have a 28 IP network camera installation coming up in May of this year. Could really use a rackmount 24 port PoE switch too!

Me too. Sadly CRS328-24P-4S+RM is not announced officially.

peper · Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:29 pm

Nice new products, but honestly there's too many those small =<5 ports routers models.
RB2011 definitely needs refresh. HeX and such are very capable but most of sites I operate needs more than 4 and less than 9 ports for LAN.

You are so right

deanMKD1 · Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:27 am

Availability for this new products?

feris · Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:06 pm

Is there a chance for hAP ac2 with classic case ?

marekm · Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:17 pm

Question about the CRS112-8P-4S-IN: does it support -48V DC telecom power with positive ground?

Beone · Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:14 pm

Ok. May be it also depend on the CAPsMAN configuration ? If yes what are the most limit factor ? The CAPsMAN (in my case CRS124) or the CAP (in my case hAP AC) ?
In CAPSMAN setup with CAPSMAN forwarding enabled the CAP creates a tunnel to the CAPSMAN controller. This needs CPU power. With CAP AC with its 4 cores I expect higher throughput.

including PoE 802.3at/af support design! Stable Enterprise switches just don't do passive-poe 24V and is a nightmare to configure (shorts if you don't watch out)
CAP AC can be powered by 802.3at/803.3af - Did I miss something?

CAP AC does, but the hap ac2 doesnt

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:34 am

Can we see hap ac2 with at least 10 gigabit ethernets and microSD card slot?

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:42 am

Can we see hap ac2 with at least 10 gigabit ethernets and microSD card slot?

That's a different product that is coming soon.

Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:00 pm

Thanks. When soon and what are the specifications of it?

iwikus · Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:08 pm

Thanks. When soon and what are the specifications of it?

Oooh, I would like to see something with 2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T

JimmyNyholm · Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:04 pm

Excellent news on the PoE switch! Nice work, MikroTik. I have a 28 IP network camera installation coming up in May of this year. Could really use a rackmount 24 port PoE switch too!

And while youre at 24port powe why not 48port poe.
48 Gig ports with 1 qsfp+ port breakable to 4 sfp+ ports

vladimirslk · Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:54 pm

I was expecting 60ghz for 1km
it should not be a deal to make it with parabola, cut feeder on jirious 24, direct WAP to hole of feeder, profit. dont want to recall 2005 when we made wireless out of cans and other stuff, cause inventors were too lazy to make ready product

neutronlaser · Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:54 pm

When is the HAP AC2 available in the USA?

Sribala44ji · Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:56 am

Will there be a long range 60ghz ptp device

bisto · Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:09 pm

Excellent news on the PoE switch! Nice work, MikroTik. I have a 28 IP network camera installation coming up in May of this year. Could really use a rackmount 24 port PoE switch too!
Me too. Sadly CRS328-24P-4S+RM is not announced officially.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was this not announced at the 2017 MUM EU? Some distributors got their hands on these last september I read somewhere and we eagerly anticipate them ! They had a slot on the switches page in the hardware section of the website with an R.R.P. attached but these have disapeared.

neutronlaser · Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:53 pm

Such a shame. I would have bought dozens of CRS328-24P-4S+RM if they ever existed. I think this was the presentation:

https://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/ ... 580163.pdf

pamribeirox · Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:53 pm

I've received information from our main Mikrotik supplier that CRS328 (24 PoE AF/AT) is already in production/sales.

The supplied product flyer doesn't mention the L2 IPv6 support capabilities, of course the L3 functions will be available as in other RouterOS products, but, does de equipment (and the others in the CRS line) support:

* MLD snooping/filtering?
* Filtering ICMPv6 Router Advertisements arriving on the user/edge ports? (RA guard)

I'm also waiting for a simple IPv6 ND enhancement in RouterOS, the ability to define the router priority (RFC5175/RFC4191) as HIGH/MEDIUM/LOW in multiple gateway topologies.

regards.

skullzaflare · Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:21 pm

So its my understanding that the new hap ac has wave 2 support?

Does that mean that the driver does as well? i.e. does it support all features of wave2 already or will that come at a later stage? Can the AP transmit to multiple clients on different spatial streams simultaneously?
Currently we don't have support for the wave2 features in the software for this board.

What are the plans on adding support?
I ordered two cAP AC's which are now installed, and a hAP ac² to replace my 962. I was hoping to see the wave2 to pop in with my intel 9260 wireless cards, however everything is maxing at 866mbps connection

pcunite · Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:34 pm

I've received information from our main Mikrotik supplier that CRS328 (24 PoE AF/AT) is already in production/sales.

Excellent, really looking forward to the CRS328-24P-4S+RM.

jhqm67 · Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:56 pm

Hello, I bought an RB3011 router.
I own two WAN connections with public IP and fixed optical fiber.
I would need a basic configuration for my RB3011 where I can route the outbound traffic of my LAN for one of the two WANs and the incoming traffic to local servers for the other WAN.
I thank whoever can indicate me or redirect me towards the solution.

Thank you so much!!

Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:01 am

Hello, I bought an RB3011 router.
I own two WAN connections with public IP and fixed optical fiber.
I would need a basic configuration for my RB3011 where I can route the outbound traffic of my LAN for one of the two WANs and the incoming traffic to local servers for the other WAN.
I thank whoever can indicate me or redirect me towards the solution.

Thank you so much!!

Please post a new question in the appropriate category. Why are you commenting on the Newsletter topic?

deanMKD1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:20 pm

Did someone get some unit from HAC AC 2? Some real tests?

Beone · Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:27 am

Why routeros devices like powerbox pro, hex poe, hap ac2 only have 16Mb flash?

With basic install, there is less then 1mb free space, trying to run a hotspot on it with just a little bit of html/img pages will run the device completely out of flash memory.

RB951xxx had 128Mb flash, flash is cheap these days, why not just a little bit more like 32Mb, 64Mb or even 128MB ram? Even CCR with 2 partitions (master/recovery) will run out 128Mb flash easily during upgrade for example

Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:03 am

trying to run a hotspot on it with just a little bit of html/img pages will run the device completely out of flash memory.

these are home routers, not really ideal for a complicated hotspot server and custom login pages.
for those devices that have a USB port or microSD slot, you can put the Hotspot directory there.

eworm · Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:00 am

For now I am fine with 16MB flash storage. In case RouterOS v7 will ever be available I hope my universal toolbox (mAP that travels with me) will be able to run all the features with current releases.

Taggart · Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:50 pm

new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP
good choice

neutronlaser · Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:10 pm

Waiting for HAP AC 2 to be in stock on Amazon USA, hopefully next month.

skullzaflare · Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:16 pm

new hAP ac² Dual Band Desktop AP
good choice

I ordered one to replace a 962, our vender said they expect to have them around the end of march.
I am unhappy that Mikrotik has no support for any of the wave2 features however, and that i cant get a answer as to if you plan to add the features support or not

macsrwe · Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:49 am

Love the POE switch. Is it really that much additional engineering expense to offer an additional version of these devices in a weatherproof case like the PowerBox? Do you believe there is no market? Outdoor equipment is the norm where we are.

I see UBNT announced an outdoor weatherproof gigabit NanoSwitch today. Looks like I may be introducing my first model of non-MT equipment into my network. Didn't really want to do this.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:23 am

Love the POE switch. Is it really that much additional engineering expense to offer an additional version of these devices in a weatherproof case like the PowerBox? Do you believe there is no market? Outdoor equipment is the norm where we are.
I see UBNT announced an outdoor weatherproof gigabit NanoSwitch today. Looks like I may be introducing my first model of non-MT equipment into my network. Didn't really want to do this.

How is this different from PowerBOX Pro? https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS-PB
Just that it's specifically a switch?

macsrwe · Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:46 am

Love the POE switch. Is it really that much additional engineering expense to offer an additional version of these devices in a weatherproof case like the PowerBox? Do you believe there is no market? Outdoor equipment is the norm where we are.
I see UBNT announced an outdoor weatherproof gigabit NanoSwitch today. Looks like I may be introducing my first model of non-MT equipment into my network. Didn't really want to do this.
How is this different from PowerBOX Pro? https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS-PB
Just that it's specifically a switch?

I realize I can use a PB Pro as an outdoor gig switch if I am forced. But the advantage of not using a $100 router in places where I need a $40 POE switch should speak for itself. (Yes, I realize the switch in this newsletter is $180, but it's eight ports, for I would have to buy two PB Pros.) I suspect MT could put out a four-port weatherproof POE switch at nearly the same price point as UBNT.

juliokato · Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:25 am

I agree. PB is not IP certificate.

Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:04 pm

I suspect MT could put out a four-port weatherproof POE switch at nearly the same price point as UBNT.

PowerBox Pro is essentially the RB960PGS (hEX PoE) board in an outdoor/weatherproof case. And the former is $20 more expensive ($99) than the latter ($79). Now it appears that a switch similar to PowerBox Pro router would be the RB260GSP ($55.95) in a weatherproof case and with the expected price tag of $55.95+$20=$75.95. I.e. much closer to the PowerBox Pro than to the UBNT offering.

juliokato · Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:45 pm

When wil Ltap and ltap mini be available?

Is the product not in the product list?
https://mikrotik.com/product/ (not found)
https://www.balticnetworks.com/docs/Mik ... lte_ds.pdf

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