New Routerboards?

DockLine · Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:31 am

I've read hints on this board about new Routerboards - one a more powerful board that the 532 (this would be great), the other a Routerboard with wireless built in for a true cost effective CPE (the 112 plus a wireless card is still a bit pricey).

Any ideas from Mikrotik on when these might happen? My wisp is a hybrid of manufacturers now by economic and technical necessity. I would love to deploy more Mikrotik gear.

Thank you!

jonbrewer · Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:15 pm

If I can make a plea - please keep the form factors the same, or at least mounting holes in the same places.

Those of us who have had custom enclosures designed for RB500 series have found that the less expensive, smaller boards do not fit, even though they could fit if mounting holes were in the right spots.

I'd hate to do yet another case redesign to accommodate the higher power routerboards we expect to see in 2007.

DockLine · Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:58 pm

Could we get some response from Mikrotik about this?

I understand Mikrotik does not want to give away secrets - but some hint about more powerful routerboards in 2007 would be very helpful to customers. 3 months? 6 months? I need to know whether to wait for this product or seek alternatives. I would much rather use Mikrotik products if time will allow.

BurstNET · Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:00 am

I read somewhere that there will be an announcement at the end of the month at MUM:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=11907

SMA

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:37 am

you can already get RB532's that run ar 400Mhz ...

a roadmap will be discussed at the MUM - in a few days in Poland.

wwalcher · Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:42 am

you can already get RB532's that run ar 400Mhz ...
.

These seem to have become available with little fanfare. So, what benefits result from the faster processing?
Can you now use 3 or 4 SR2's or SR5's with a daughterboard?
Are there any increases in throughput with the wireless interfaces?
Can you run NStreme on them without maxing out the processor?

Also, a change to a component in the RB532's last year made them not work well with the Engenius EMP-8602 cards. The problem was going to be fixed in the next version of the board. Is it fixed with the 400Mhz version?

Are all the new RB532's 400Mhz capable, or will there be different versions?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:31 pm

1) CPU MHz does not influence to the wireless card usage opportunities.
Current RB500 power consumption is 14W, you can calculate how many wireless cards RB500 will handle.
2)3) Troughput depends on different options.

4) As far as I know the following problem is related to specific model design.

DockLine · Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:52 pm

I rather doubt a 532a running at 400 mHz will seem much different from one at 330 mHz. Sure, there will be some speed bounce - but the not the significant difference a different processor and more RAM could deliver.

Have the new Routerboards been announced at MUM yet? If so, can someone post what the news is?

Thank you.

miahac · Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:28 pm

Somebody must know something by now...

Poland — Current local time: 7:23 PM on Friday, January 26
According to http://www.google.com

Jan 26, Friday
09:00 "Managing Hotspot users with the new User Manager", by Uldis Cernevskis, MikroTik (Latvia)
09:30 "The evolution of a network", by Peter Cartwright, Loop Scorpio Limited (UK)
10:15 "New Obvious and Obscure Mikrotik RouterOS v3.0 features", by Janis Megis and Uldis Cernevskis, MikroTik (Latvia)
11:00 "The Magic of IP Flow", by Valens Riyadi, Citraweb (Indonesia)
11:45 "Network monitoring verification using network planning and coverage prediction software with Dude." - Tomasz Reczek & Marcin Szulc, ARTS-Net (Poland)
12:30 Lunch
01:45 "VLAN configuration in a wireless environment" by Mason Ham and Paul Eriksson, Roamingwire (USA)
02:30 "MikroTik RouterBOARD Hardware roadmap", by Uldis Cernevskis, MikroTik
03:15 "All about MikroTik consultants, opportunities, practices, training program partnerships for resellers and what to expect", by Arnis Riekstins, CTO of MikroTik (Latvia)
04:00 Win Prizes: RAFFLE!

BurstNET · Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:26 am

Yea, spill the beans already! We're all waiting impatiently....

SMA

jo2jo · Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:38 am

anyone :/ ?

kapusta_kiszona · Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:42 pm

There will be for example RB1000 with CPU 4x faster than RB532 and 30W power consumption and a little smaller RB600. Planned 2 or 3 q of 2007.

miahac · Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:43 pm

ok, at least the anticipation has subsided. And any news on something like the LS 2 or LS 5 that normis kept hinting at?

firebat · Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:22 am

Any comments on cost of the 600 and 1000, number of ether ports, memory, etc?

jo2jo · Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:28 am

yea i would love some more details..or some tech specs. everything im reading so far sounds VERY nice!

tks

jober · Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:03 am

LOL, so we sit and wait some more?

4x faster would mean what? 266mhz x 4 = 1000mhz

jdmarti1 · Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:14 pm

Maybe it's 333*4 or 1.3khz. That would be sweet!!!!

DockLine · Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:39 pm

Can someone post what was actually announced at MUM? I presume it is public info after the announcement - it seems we have guessed enough here.

I'm looking forward to learning both what the more powerful and lower cost routerboards will be, and when I can buy them for my customers.

Mikrotik, can you post this now?

ghmorris · Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:13 pm

Particularly when not all MT customers are at MUM. It gets a little irritating getting the mushroom treatment over a topic as important as this one.

I fully expected MT would make a public announcement in parallel with their MUM presentation.

George

jober · Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:32 am

Maybe all they have is the road map! LOL
JJ

Bomber67 · Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:32 am

According to the MT guys all the presentations will be published on the MUM pages.
I assume this also includes the presentation of new HW.

jo2jo · Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:21 pm

uhh, see:

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MUM_2007_Europe

nothing about new RBs... i dont want to be pessimistic, but maybe there is a reason MT does not want to hype up the new RBs...

they do have some other good stuff up there though

EDIT:

actually after looking through the pictur gallery i aw some new RB i think 135 or 133..its like a CPE with 1 port (like ls2)

see:

http://mum.mikrotik.com/album2007_1/

and one of the pictures towards the end...there are 2 routerboards ont eh table with spec sheets behind them..

changeip · Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:37 pm

The signature line on their support tickets say this:

--
New RouterBOARD models? Come to:
http://mum.mikrotik.com, January 25-26th, 2007!
--

Does that mean come and find out if there are new ones, but there might not be ? ; )

dbostrom · Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:48 am

On the other hand MT's a small company, has been releasing boards at a respectable clip. Making a formal announcement (as opposed to discussing notoriously elastic roadmaps before a limited audience) prior to wringing out bugs, getting certifications is a jinx ticket to an entirely different category of complaints.

ghmorris · Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:57 am

Hmmm. I think MT is doing reasonably well in the centre, for example the 532 and 112s are both decent products.

The 532 is looking a bit long in the tooth in terms of horsepower and PoE voltage support though. The 112 suffers from excessive thickness when you're trying to use one in a Rootenna for example.

The 153s are making me nervous, but the 150 looks like a terrific unit for doing all kinds of stuff including replacing a switch with something smarter at the base of a tower. Makes a great power fail/ups monitor!!

I'm looking forward to a 133, and even more to a potential competitor for an LS2, (but hopefully with one integrated radio and one mini-PCI slot for a repeater)

...

I think where MT has really fallen behind is at the higher end of outdoor-capable boards. The high performance Xscale boards have been out for a very, very long time, but MT has no equivalent. The decision not to support Xscale hurt, and the delay in releasing a funtional equivalent has hurt even more. I'm really looking forward to new product here.

I do realize that MT supports X86, but that is of limited use outdoors unless you are prepared to do some custom engineering.

George

DockLine · Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:30 am

PLEASE MIKROTIK:

Can someone post what was actually announced at MUM? I presume it is public info after the announcement - it seems we have guessed enough here.

I'm looking forward to learning both what the more powerful and lower cost routerboards will be, and when I can buy them for my customers.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:31 am

It just seems very interesting, that from those 300 people who were there, nobody seems to be on the forum now

DockLine · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:54 am

With all due respect, what logic is it to expect that MUM attendees will make Mikrotik product announcements?

You know the information - may I presume you were at MUM.

Please - your customers are frustrated. By your avoiding the subject I'm beginning to wonder if the news isn't bad?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:59 am

Obviously there are some benefits of coming to the mum and paying for the ticket. the presentations are of great value, I see people learning a lot of new things. Just like a training. As I have said, the new products were presented at the MUM and those who weren't there, will just have to wait a little.

DockLine · Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:05 pm

This is not a debate on the merits of attending MUM.

It is a request for information about your new products.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:45 pm

new products will be officially announced in march 2007, you will be able to find more information about them from our Sales team and eventually on our routerboard.com webpage. the most of what I can tell you about the roadmap, is that it included at least 5 new products TBR this Q2, most of which are more powerful than any current routerboard product.

yusempron · Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:23 pm

new products will be officially announced in march 2007, you will be able to find more information about them from our Sales team and eventually on our routerboard.com webpage. the most of what I can tell you about the roadmap, is that it included at least 5 new products TBR this Q2, most of which are more powerful than any current routerboard product.

Are your sure have 5 new products in Q2? what about RB133c, It's written " details coming Q4, 2006" in routerboard.com. why I didn't see that?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:34 pm

it's already available to some customers, when we get into full production, we will add it to the webpage.

dbostrom · Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:53 pm

Normis, speaking of this whole topic, if you guys are still in layout for new boards be sure to check out this board from ADI:

http://www.adiengineering.com/php-bin/e ... duct_id=85.

25W 3.3v supply dedicated to PCI bus power, space for 4 long form miniPCI on one side of board. Very convenient to work with, features to consider for your stuff.

Diganet · Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:53 pm

Normis, speaking of this whole topic, if you guys are still in layout for new boards be sure to check out this board from ADI:

http://www.adiengineering.com/php-bin/e ... duct_id=85.

25W 3.3v supply dedicated to PCI bus power, space for 4 long form miniPCI on one side of board. Very convenient to work with, features to consider for your stuff.

At least one of the new products look very similar.

/Henrik

dbostrom · Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:55 pm

Normis, speaking of this whole topic, if you guys are still in layout for new boards be sure to check out this board from ADI:

http://www.adiengineering.com/php-bin/e ... duct_id=85.

25W 3.3v supply dedicated to PCI bus power, space for 4 long form miniPCI on one side of board. Very convenient to work with, features to consider for your stuff.
At least one of the new products look very similar.

/Henrik

Good!

BurstNET · Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:11 pm

<< Obviously there are some benefits of coming to the mum and paying for the ticket. >>

Ummm...is it just me, or is the fact that MUM was held half way across the globe for atleast 1/2 your client base, make attending such just to find out how we can spend more money with your company unreasonable? You cannot seriously expect most users/clients to attend these things.

SMA

jdmarti1 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:04 pm

This is what most ticks me off about MT. They say there will be an announcement, at least a roadmap at the MUM. Then they expect that to be the only place to get information. If I was able to travel to Poland, that would be great, but I am not. Why are they not forthcoming with the information. They could at least post the pre-lim info on their website. I love the product, but I hate how they act.

kapusta_kiszona · Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:51 pm

Information about new Routerboards have very few details. It's enough to say they coming. Nobody knows the sizes, and anything but power consumption and expected CPU power.

firebat · Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:54 am

Information about new Routerboards have very few details. It's enough to say they coming. Nobody knows the sizes, and anything but power consumption and expected CPU power.

I haven't heard anything definite aboutpower consumption or expected CPU power. Do you have some info? MT seems to be indicating folks that went to MUM could post the details but mums the word regarding the details.

Did they say when the boards will be avaialable? immediately, 3/6 months? I was going to buy some more 532As but have been holding off as they don't have enough horse power.

odie · Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:02 pm

why dont you use mini itx boards like the Commell LV-675D-R
it has 2 Mini PCI Slots and also one std PCI Slot 1GB eth Interface and also one 44pin IDE slot - we use a PICOPSU-60 ATX powersupply that has an input voltage vom 6 to 26V and a max of 60W and is not much bigger then the atx power connector, and you can use the PentiumM oder CeleronM CPU you want and also the memory you want.....
with a Pentium Mobile 1.6ghz and a 1 GB-DDRmodule, 2x R52 it uses about 1,6A to 1.8A at 15V depending on the load

kapusta_kiszona · Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:36 pm

I haven't heard anything definite aboutpower consumption or expected CPU power. Do you have some info? MT seems to be indicating folks that went to MUM could post the details but mums the word regarding the details.

Did they say when the boards will be avaialable? immediately, 3/6 months? I was going to buy some more 532As but have been holding off as they don't have enough horse power.

Expected CPU in RB1000 is as far as I remember 6-8 times RB532 and RB600 is 3-4 times faster than 532.
They are planned in 2-4q of 2007.
I wish they do not hurry too much like with 153.

Ivoshiee · Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:20 pm

I found this image of RB133c:
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1551
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1550

Mikrotik Polska has this page:
http://www.mikrotik.org.pl/urzadz.php?g ... 8609b0b89f

dbostrom · Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:22 am

I found this image of RB133c:
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1551
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1550

Mikrotik Polska has this page:
http://www.mikrotik.org.pl/urzadz.php?g ... 8609b0b89f

A square RB112? There's got to be more to the story!

Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:25 am

yes, there is more to the story.

as to the ones that were not able to attend the MUM due to distance or other reasons - you will just have to wait until we put more information on the webpage. that's not a big deal

jo2jo · Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:55 pm

you will just have to wait until we put more information on the webpage. that's not a big deal

is this some kind of joke? my opinion is MT is not hyped about the new RBs so neither should we. odds are they are going to be way under cpu powered or full of issues like the rb153.....and that is why MT does not even know the final specs for the "new" RBs...

if you guys cant handle being a software co AND a hardware co. then contract out the hardware and focus on the software (mt's strong point). i.e. partner with ubiquity on the LS2...add MT os to it (raise your hand if you would pay $160 for a LS2 with MT L4 on it)...and let get going! instead of your customers being forced to hybrid hardware that is jury rigged to support MT wireless at a high speed and other manufacutres / software platforms for our CPEs that end up causing issues and disconnects later on.

this is not a way to treat customers who want to buy your product....i know it takes time to develope stable hardware...but did you guys really do that with the RB153? and that took a while....

i love mt and their software is SO powerful but this just does not make sense...

stephenpatrick · Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:19 pm

Ahem -

Some of this criticism isn't quite right.
Not everyone needs "jury-rigged" hardware for high speed wireless links - that's not true or fair. Complete such products exist already today.

Without any shameless plug, but to defend Mikrotik's business model -
For example our co is a Mikrotik OEM and has a complete range of wireless and wired router products based on our own-brand hardware, running fully licensed RouterOS with full vendor support including training, presales network design support, documentation, and PC RadioManager software.

Right now today, you can have a 1GHz CPU wireless platform with GigE and 10/100 ports, multiple miniPCI cards, all in outdoor-grade passively cooled housings. Or mid-range bridges, or cost-effective CPEs. All with vendor life-cycle support.

Sure everyone wants to see the latest and best boards from Mikrotik and no doubt other suppliers, but as a hardware vendor, I would have to defend them and say "leave them enough time to get it right".

Vendors can always patch a software product - look at M$, who almost defined the phrase "patch" - but wireless hardware in-the-field has to be built right in the first place. Hardware takes longer and often costs far more to develop. Let the MT team iron out the bugs and get it right.

Regards

CableFree Solutions

BulleriNET · Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:08 am

Here's the deal: I went to the US mum and there you said you would give us
the info as soon as it was available. However, I was not able to fly halfway around the world for another one less than six months later. i feel we paid our dues we know have nearly 50 routerboards in use now some that are in back haul use that are getting over loaded I will have to upgrade with in the next six months at the latest the end of the year but i need to know what i am going to in the next month or two and if i do not have the info on the mikrotik equipment i may be forced to make a decision other than mikrotik

stephenpatrick · Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:01 am

Interesting George - and provokes a good debate:
Consider:

"Mikrotik running on 3rd party hardware platforms"
[Hey - we know a bit about that - that's what we do as an MT OEM]

vs.

"Mikrotik running on MT's own Routerboards"
[what most readers on this forum are doing]

AFAIK none of the "otherOS's" make hardware: they port it onto whatever else is around. Big issue: there are not many HW platforms suited to outdoor wireless: "little" topics include:
- temp operational range (few can cope with extremes)
- power supply tolerance (fluctuation, noise)
- surge suppression (lightning, etc)
- EMC (and I mean, being next to a 10W+ cellphone antenna)
- performance: high speed and outdoor usually an issue
- general stability in real-life installs.

There are very few HW platforms that can do that. MT, to their credit, do make HW platforms, which are optimised for their OS & many applications.
In addition, you can deploy MT-based solutions from OEMs who integrate into their own HW solutions.
Before there is any chorus of "MT is behind", "issues with X Y Z"
the reality today, you can actually deploy MT-based BS with **over 200Mbps of P2MP bridged wireless-ethernet throughput** with full vendor support, and have full-featured high quality CPEs below US$299.
Wow! and the vendor has supplied several national governments with these solutions too, won in competitive bids against Moto, Orthogon, Alvarion, Redline, and others? Hey - give MT some space - even **against the best** when properly implemented it stands up and wins.

Sure, everyone asks "please support Xscale", "support chipset A B C" and of course every vendor has a roadmap and priorities. My co regularly inputs into MT's people with bug-fix and comments, and already, over a dozen fixes were implemented, and clear answers given about the others.

"Tomorrow is already here" : Really?
Maybe ... but how many have you deployed? Does it have Nstreme (no) What's customer support like? Cold temp startup? EMC? Track record? Software stability? Diagnostics? Vendor support? RMA procedure?
Well we should all be asking the questions: if "vendor X"'s solution is perfect and solid, at best price, we'd all be using it, right?
Sure - we evaluate all sorts of vendors gear - SW and HW. Found a perfect one? Yes - the ones we ship

In the meantime, many customers worldwide are enjoying high quality MT-based solutions which happily out-perform not just "otherOS's" solutions but those from the mega-bucks R&D depts of Moto, Alvarion, Proxim, Redline and the other big boys, in terms of features, performance and price.

Well, all thats IMHO I guess - interesting debate I hope follows

Regards

CableFree Solutions

mip · Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:28 am

Then I write down what was told on MUM: nothing importent. A few (5) weka boards. Nothing stronger or even equall than 532. some cpe: 133, 133c with 170mhz cpu. minirouter with some ethers only, and a 4ports gigabits ether card that I would never put in a pc that I watn to use any more. Eg: 4 gigabit through 1 pci slot? grrrr.

So I was dssapointed about it, because last year in Prague they told us that rb1000 will released in q4 20006. And now rb133 is here in q1 2007....

An other thing that I can't understand Normis: why couldn't you write it down here? Is it a secret that none of ther routers have a stronger cpu than 170Mhz? Yes I argree it is sad - but true.

So here are the infos you're hungry for: no news just some slow stuff.....

dbostrom · Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:00 am

why couldn't you write it down here? Is it a secret that none of ther routers have a stronger cpu than 170Mhz? Yes I argree it is sad - but true.

Ahem. Actually, MT has the 400mhz 532 board, which being a RISC CPU actually does a bit better than the CISC (confused instruction set calculator) equivalent speed.

Once clock speeds get above a few hundred MHZ layout and other design challenges become increasingly steep. Design tools skyrocket in price, vendor attention becomes hard to get, engineering staffing costs grow, risks become large. As a consequence, small volume products become extraordinarily expensive to end users.

Far better for MT to concentrate on the hardware market segment they occupy, and leave the very high performance gear to specialists like Stephen Patrick's outfit, who are knowledgeable and effective in thorough and competent integration work.

I for one am --extremely-- happy that we can purchase the stunningly efficient and affordable RB532 and other MIPS devices. I would be heartbroken if MT were to try to bite off too big a mouthful and bungle the bang-up job they've done w/the MIPS gear.

And lest appear to be kissing b---t here, it's a tragic fact that I was banned from here for some months because of my incessant and strident b----ing about MT's choices. However that was all about software and thus off-topic on this thread.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:52 am

Then I write down what was told on MUM: nothing importent. A few (5) weka boards. Nothing stronger or even equall than 532. some cpe: 133, 133c with 170mhz cpu. minirouter with some ethers only, and a 4ports gigabits ether card that I would never put in a pc that I watn to use any more. Eg: 4 gigabit through 1 pci slot? grrrr.

So I was dssapointed about it, because last year in Prague they told us that rb1000 will released in q4 20006. And now rb133 is here in q1 2007....

An other thing that I can't understand Normis: why couldn't you write it down here? Is it a secret that none of ther routers have a stronger cpu than 170Mhz? Yes I argree it is sad - but true.

So here are the infos you're hungry for: no news just some slow stuff.....

i think you missed the important part of the presentation. at least 5 new boards with 3-6x more power than rb500 ... are you sure you even were at the mum? which one?

mip · Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:00 am

Then I write down what was told on MUM: nothing importent. A few (5) weka boards. Nothing stronger or even equall than 532. some cpe: 133, 133c with 170mhz cpu. minirouter with some ethers only, and a 4ports gigabits ether card that I would never put in a pc that I watn to use any more. Eg: 4 gigabit through 1 pci slot? grrrr.

So I was dssapointed about it, because last year in Prague they told us that rb1000 will released in q4 20006. And now rb133 is here in q1 2007....

An other thing that I can't understand Normis: why couldn't you write it down here? Is it a secret that none of ther routers have a stronger cpu than 170Mhz? Yes I argree it is sad - but true.

So here are the infos you're hungry for: no news just some slow stuff.....
i think you missed the important part of the presentation. at least 5 new boards with 3-6x more power than rb500 ... are you sure you even were at the mum? which one?

Sure I've been there. It was a ery bad and weka joke man. And you?
Please write down here the type number of that board that at least 3x power of 532. One will be enough.

/Should I post a scan of the papers you gave me there? Or photos I made during the presentation? Oh man, realy bad joke..../

mip · Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:26 pm

Diganet · Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:24 am

???

Well, i was there at the presentation and i guess you were the guy sleeping in the corner because of the cheap polish wodka?

IF you were there, you would have heard it....

I remember the RB600 series with 3-4 times faster CPU than RB532 and daughterboard compatibility, 3 x Gig Ethernet ports and 4 MiniPCI slots and something like 30Watts power to the PCI bus... So soon we can do Dual N-streme on routerboards with some decent performance

I also remember the RB400 series which is a "Fast Gigabit AP" and the RB800 series with even faster CPU than RB600 and miniPCI Express ports..

/Henrik

mip · Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:37 am

???
Well, i was there at the presentation and i guess you were the guy sleeping in the corner because of the cheap polish wodka? IF you were there, you would have heard it....

I remember the RB600 series with 3-4 times faster CPU than RB532 and daughterboard compatibility, 3 x Gig Ethernet ports and 4 MiniPCI slots and something like 30Watts power to the PCI bus... So soon we can do Dual N-streme on routerboards with some decent performance

I also remember the RB400 series which is a "Fast Gigabit AP" and the RB800 series with even faster CPU than RB600 and miniPCI Express ports..

/Henrik

No, I was not. And you aer not a friend of mine to tell me things like this.

Anyway show me please a copy of the paper you got about it. All we got nothing, I repeat nothing.
Last year in Prague the told me that the new board will be on the market till the end of 2006.

And for the end: WHY MT does not write it down? Is it a secret? Or you want to move more people to MUMs? I just dont understand. I tried to provokate oe of you here, and just an other user should told the true. Why?

Bomber67 · Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:16 am

mip, this is pure bullshit:

Then I write down what was told on MUM: nothing importent. A few (5) weka boards. Nothing stronger or even equall than 532

I simply can't believe that you were at this presentation!
Everybody that was AND were not sleeping could both hear and see about the exiting new boards.
Talking about the most powerful end of it, what I remember is that there was one mentioned to be 2-3 times as fast as 532 (the RB600 I think) and one 3-4 times as fast, i.e. 1 GHz clock (RB1000?).

So why don't you just stop naging?

That said, I miss MT's HW-presentation on the MUM pages. Normis told us that the presentations would be published, but only a subset of them are to date.

P.S.
What is this Weka you are talking about?

From my googling I found that Weka is:
1. A bird
2. "A toolkit for machine learning and data mining"

If I missed some acronym please bear with my ignorance!

If what you mean is "weak" I totally disagree. An RB with 1 GHz clock is not weak in my book.
D.S.

hebeda · Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:05 pm

@Bomber67

1ghz can be anything ... ixp,ppc,mips,x86 .... and their raw computing power is VERY different , especially if it comes to routing etc ...

beside the cpu is the ethernet chipset beeing used also important .... just think about the crappy and buggy VIA chipset which slows down the RB532 a lot ...
no hard feelings about this comment i hope ... i dont want to argue about it anymore and have this thread deleted like to many others ...
---------------------------------------------------------

Did the presentation of the new Routerboards mentioned anything about RoHS compliance ?

No matter if compliant or not, the RoHS(restiction of harzadious substances) directive of the european union had a big impact last year for many manufactuer of routermotherboard hardware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROHS

many supplier in taiwan/china have switched to RoHS compliant production.
this makes it a big problem to find all the non-rohs parts now .. beside that the new rohs compliant parts have usually higher minimum order volumes and higher prices now ...
i know this from personal experience since i do supply also a few industrial motherboard manufactuer with parts for motherboard manufacturing in germany.

could this be a reason for the delay ?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:52 pm

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Bomber67 · Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:07 pm

hebeda:
Thanks for your info, I believe you're right.
Anyway, this will be a huge step forward in terms of CPU power and power supply capabilities for high-power Mini-PCIs.

My point was just that since mip claims that he was at the MUM and that nothing more powerful than a 532 was presented there, he must have been at another MUM on another planet.

I think we are some 350 witnesses to confirm this...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:08 pm

yup, i have the presentation which i showed personally. it's all in there.

Bomber67 · Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:28 pm

normis, is it a part of your strategy to not publish this presentation as well? As you see a lot of rumors around and some of those who didn't go to Krakow are eager to see what's around the corner.
I think what we saw there isn't actually secrets so why not put it on the wiki?

mip · Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:36 pm

Tell me, why should I provokate you with this? Why coludn't MT simply tell what was the pr about? Now you got more info in 2 days than for two weeks before. Sad.

(weka was weak, misstype)

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:56 am

this is an open forum. anyone can view it. if we announce new products here, before they are in production, we are openly letting our competitors make similar products. this is new, exciting technology, we want to protect it. MUM is a private event for our customers, there it is different. So, if you are interested in specifics, either come to MUM, email sales or wait until the announcement date comes closer.

jober · Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:33 am

OK, I can live with that answer. But the impacent child in me wants to know NOW! LOL

GotNet · Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:52 am

this is an open forum. anyone can view it. if we announce new products here, before they are in production, we are openly letting our competitors make similar products. this is new, exciting technology, we want to protect it. MUM is a private event for our customers, there it is different. So, if you are interested in specifics, either come to MUM, email sales or wait until the announcement date comes closer.

Much better.

miahac · Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:35 pm

I found this image of RB133c:
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1551
http://www.cyberbajt.pl/cyber.php?i=produkt&id=1550

Mikrotik Polska has this page:
http://www.mikrotik.org.pl/urzadz.php?g ... 8609b0b89f
A square RB112? There's got to be more to the story!

Maybe not. The form factor has been shrunk and there is a different power section on the board. They also are using the same form factor for 2 models, increasing production efficiency. This was probably due to good engineering and logic design. Just like reducing a fraction, 644/296 = 7/3 . My guess is that the 112 will be dropped.

kapusta_kiszona · Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:25 am

I use three RB133C and it's OK.

jo2jo · Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:53 pm

yea, what of the RB 112? I hate to say it but it was almost useless with only 16mb of ram...never understood not going with 32....so will it be discont, or a price drop?

nickb · Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:31 pm

What's the point of 3 ethernet and 3 mini PCI with only 175Mhz CPU? I am hard pressed to imagine any use for such a product.

175Mhz is plenty for a CPE, but a CPE doesn't need that many ports... so I am forced to ask 'wtf?'

babyface · Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:41 pm

What's the point of 3 ethernet and 3 mini PCI with only 175Mhz CPU? I am hard pressed to imagine any use for such a product.

175Mhz is plenty for a CPE, but a CPE doesn't need that many ports... so I am forced to ask 'wtf?'

Oh, it has many sense to me. You can connect three clients to a RB133 based CPE, isolating each one from the others.

Diganet · Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:23 pm

What's the point of 3 ethernet and 3 mini PCI with only 175Mhz CPU? I am hard pressed to imagine any use for such a product.

175Mhz is plenty for a CPE, but a CPE doesn't need that many ports... so I am forced to ask 'wtf?'

It _could_ be used as an Backhaul/AP solution. If you're running 2.4B you dont need more than 6-7 Mbit max, and this card could be the choice for that. You can still deliver 10-15Mbit TCP through it... Or do as we do, use it as a CPE and be able to offer a home wireless network to your customers in one unit

/Henrik

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