LHG 60G

mistry7 · Fri May 12, 2017 11:08 am

What we need is more technical Information
For Mikrotik 802.11ad Support

- Channel Width only 2 GHz?
- Gain of Antenna WAP / LHG
- distance LHG 60G
- Frequency Range
- power consumption
- this or next year?

mistry7

almdandi · Sat May 13, 2017 1:53 pm

Yeah, more information about the upcoming 60 Ghz products would be great.

mistry7 · Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 am

One thing i missed

Only P2P or also P2MP?

server8 · Thu May 18, 2017 1:45 pm

In MUM in Milan mkt guys said that is PtP maybe in the future PtMP. I agree we need more technical Information about new 60G products

mistry7 · Fri May 19, 2017 6:06 pm

No more Q2 / Q3 on MUM Mexiko Live Video...

Is That good or bad news Mikrotik?

stucki · Sun May 28, 2017 2:22 pm

was the internal mikrotik codename xmaster?

vlatko · Mon May 29, 2017 11:17 am

for lhg 60g is all about price. I am surprised that mikrotik selected housing from lhg rather than dynadish.

Mon May 29, 2017 11:29 am

was the internal mikrotik codename xmaster?

no

mistry7 · Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:26 pm

Ob todays MUM in Sri Lanka in the Presentation they say avaible in 2 Month

syadnom · Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:02 am

come on normis, buddy, give us some details not just a 'no'.

Are you going to beat the ignitenet price? and when will we see this things in action?

Cha0s · Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:50 pm

was the internal mikrotik codename xmaster?

Am I the only one that read 'xhamster'?

troffasky · Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:33 pm

was the internal mikrotik codename xmaster?
Am I the only one that read 'xhamster'?

Yeah, looks like it!

stucki · Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:35 am

I wanted to write xhamster, stupid autocorrect ; )

Anyway, you got it

mistry7 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:43 am

Any News?

rua · Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:28 pm

looks like, that the 60G is underway ..

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/W60G

mistry7 · Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:34 pm

we hope so

mistry7 · Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:33 pm

Mum today no New Information about Release Date, Presentation without any Dates!

mistry7 · Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:47 am

Two MUMs this week and Nö news realy Bad!

espacioint · Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:34 pm

I dont understand why mikrotik present a product, and no new on months....
Not serious work.

Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:32 am

60ghz its a very new technology

I think we have to be patient

conecting · Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:48 am

Internal and external photos not available now.
But some other specifications yes.
https://fccid.io/TV7LHGG60AD

server8 · Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:11 pm

Mikrotik please give us some info about availibilty please

mistry7 · Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:54 pm

Official FFC Date + 2-3 Month

troffasky · Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:01 pm

Is 'wireless wire dish' same thing as LHG 60G?:

https://www.mikrotik.com/download/share ... reDish.pdf

mrz · Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:07 pm

Yes, it is the same.

sup5 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:03 pm

I'd like to see a bare distance vs. throughput/MCS table in order to be able to estimate possible use cases.

mistry7 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:13 pm

And Antenna gain please

server8 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:35 am

Curious to understand what is the black part on the feed

conecting · Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:10 am

Curious to se if there Will be chance to put wap mainboard unit in to wirless wire dish. To get more power. 146mw on wap unit vs 17mW on wirless wire dish:

https://fccid.io/TV7WAPG60AD

https://fccid.io/TV7LHGG60AD

server8 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:34 am

The mainboard is the same now we have to understand how the board is programmed for the tx power

vladimirslk · Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:54 am

))) lets wait for kind of superchannel in order to use it within private hangar with higher levels due to noise from 60ghz microwaves on the route xDDD

conecting · Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:55 am

Well then there should be no problem to disassemble units and change mainboard.
I see just the problem with phased array magic.

russman · Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:32 pm

I'm interested in getting my hands the LHGG-60ad for sure. I'm a little quizzed by the marketing for these products in regards to range. Obviously it needs LOS and stability is dependable on the region its installed in.

wpeople · Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:21 pm

in MUM 2018 Berlin, they had a working pair of LHG 60G
Also they had a presentation about: https://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/ ... 039676.pdf
they DO offer PMP capabilities.
LHG60G would connect to the wAP sized 60G base station.

mlenhart · Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:48 pm

any idea when this product will be officially introduced - market launched?

mistry7 · Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Distribution in Europa says begin of June

sytex · Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:59 pm

https://youtu.be/Ts5JRlw47FE

LHG 60G Test Video

soooc · Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:39 am

Hi,

we deployed LHG60 on link with distance 1,05 km. RSSI is -52/-52. In last firmware there is opportunity disable beamforming - we use it for perform adjustment. The link has capacity 1 Gbit FD, meassured by traffic generator.

[admin@MikroTik] > interface w60g monitor 0
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E9
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -53
tx-sector: 20
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
rx-sector: 96

Very nice product

mistry7 · Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:03 am

Hi,

we deployed LHG60 on link with distance 1,05 km. RSSI is -52/-52. In last firmware there is opportunity disable beamforming - we use it for perform adjustment. The link has capacity 1 Gbit FD, meassured by traffic generator.

[admin@MikroTik] > interface w60g monitor 0
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E9
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -53
tx-sector: 20
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
rx-sector: 96

Very nice product

Where you get it?

Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:24 pm

Hi,

we deployed LHG60 on link with distance 1,05 km. RSSI is -52/-52. In last firmware there is opportunity disable beamforming - we use it for perform adjustment. The link has capacity 1 Gbit FD, meassured by traffic generator.

[admin@MikroTik] > interface w60g monitor 0
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E9
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -53
tx-sector: 20
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
rx-sector: 96

Very nice product

So there is beamforming in the LHG60? How does this influence the Antenna pattern. Just throw it up and align with eyes and beamforming does the finetuning by itself?

Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:41 pm

Basically yes. There is no easy way to give you an antenna pattern. Once you roughly align the antennas, beamforming will adjust as needed.

Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:31 pm

What about other channels in 60GHz. There is huge space which is allowed in most countries. Esp. the channels which aren't at the absorbtion peak.

pe1chl · Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:26 pm

But the channels are extremely wide... that quickly uses up the huge space.
Is there an option to use somewhat narrower channels to have a reduced bitrate but increased range?

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:38 pm

But the channels are extremely wide... that quickly uses up the huge space.
Is there an option to use somewhat narrower channels to have a reduced bitrate but increased range?

There is enough room. Problem is reliable range. Frequencies are reusable very often. Should work back 2 back even without sync and this cheap antenna construction.

Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:43 pm

Hi,

we deployed LHG60 on link with distance 1,05 km. RSSI is -52/-52. In last firmware there is opportunity disable beamforming - we use it for perform adjustment. The link has capacity 1 Gbit FD, meassured by traffic generator.

[admin@MikroTik] > interface w60g monitor 0
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E9
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -53
tx-sector: 20
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
rx-sector: 96

Very nice product

How does it behave with rain? Firmware/connection stable?

pe1chl · Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:29 pm

I checked radio regulations for the Netherlands. There is an allocation for WiFi equipment on this band with up to 40dBm EIRP but fixed outdoor installations are prohibited.
So it looks like LHG 60G could be used for an event or similar, but not for permanent links.
There is a subband 57,2-58,2 GHz under fixed links with up to 15dBW EIRP but it would require a narrower channel to be able to use that with the LHG 60G.

Considering that most of our regulations are aligned with EU regulations, I expect it to be similar all over the EU.

Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:20 pm

I checked radio regulations for the Netherlands. There is an allocation for WiFi equipment on this band with up to 40dBm EIRP but fixed outdoor installations are prohibited.
So it looks like LHG 60G could be used for an event or similar, but not for permanent links.
There is a subband 57,2-58,2 GHz under fixed links with up to 15dBW EIRP but it would require a narrower channel to be able to use that with the LHG 60G.

Considering that most of our regulations are aligned with EU regulations, I expect it to be similar all over the EU.

In Germany there is a PTP 59 GHz – 63 GHz max. EIRP 40 dBm
Min Antennagain 35 dBi Channel 150 MHz – 2,0 GHz

And there is 57 GHz - 66 GHz PTMP non stationary usage.

pe1chl · Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:07 pm

We have this 57-66GHz 40dBm EIRP band as well but it has this clause: Vaste installaties buitenshuis worden uitgesloten. (Fixed installations outdoors are excluded.)
There was an existing allocation of 57,2-58,2 GHz for fixed (and also outdoor) PtP links which is now exempt from licensing but of course it is "only" 1 GHz wide and at an odd center frequency (57.7 GHz) so channel parameters of the LHG 60G would have to be modified to use that.

pe1chl · Mon May 07, 2018 11:33 pm

Further research shows that this restriction is directly copied from the ETSI directives, i.e. outdoor fixed installations are prohibited all over Europe.
In other areas of the world the regulations are different, and often more is allowed.

There apparently is pressure upon ETSI from manufacturers to relieve this restriction, but a working document found on internet discussing this matter is over a year old.
No idea if there is any progress.

blue · Sun May 13, 2018 8:54 pm

Any idea what could be the maximum distance for this devices? I am using Ubnt Airfiber 24 at 15.3km link, and ubnt is declaring 13+ km. This is 1.5+ km! Could it reach 2km, and how will it behave at heavy rain?

syadnom · Sun May 13, 2018 10:25 pm

Ive seen reports of 2km but drops in rain..

pe1chl · Mon May 14, 2018 10:34 am

Any idea what could be the maximum distance for this devices? I am using Ubnt Airfiber 24 at 15.3km link, and ubnt is declaring 13+ km. This is 1.5+ km! Could it reach 2km, and how will it behave at heavy rain?

Those other devices operate at a different frequency where the atmospheric attenuation is not so big as it is on 60 GHz.
The max distance and behaviour is not determined by the manufacturer, but by physics.

Mon May 14, 2018 12:15 pm

Any idea what could be the maximum distance for this devices? I am using Ubnt Airfiber 24 at 15.3km link, and ubnt is declaring 13+ km. This is 1.5+ km! Could it reach 2km, and how will it behave at heavy rain?
Those other devices operate at a different frequency where the atmospheric attenuation is not so big as it is on 60 GHz.
The max distance and behaviour is not determined by the manufacturer, but by physics.

Using 24 GHz at this distance gives very low reliability with rain. Guess pe1chl has a good backup connection or live in a desert.
60GHz is something to use reliable way below a mile. This 1.5km is a very long link for 60GHz.

blue · Mon May 14, 2018 12:32 pm

24ghz is working like a charm when there is no heavy rain. During heavy storms, Netmetal AC is taking over, but luckily it takes only couple of minutes. I can't wait to get my hands on LHG60. Now it is rainy season in Balkans so it would be the great time to test those devices...

P.S. When we can expect those devices in sales?

mistry7 · Mon May 14, 2018 12:39 pm

All my Dealers say begin of June

Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 pm

All my Dealers say begin of June

Need some to replace these Ignitenets. A replaced link again causes trouble. Very low quality of components. Hopefully LHG 60 works from the beginning.

pampi · Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:04 pm

Hi,

we deployed LHG60 on link with distance 1,05 km. RSSI is -52/-52. In last firmware there is opportunity disable beamforming - we use it for perform adjustment. The link has capacity 1 Gbit FD, meassured by traffic generator.

[admin@MikroTik] > interface w60g monitor 0
connected: yes
frequency: 58320
remote-address: 30:07:4D:43:06:E9
mcs: 8
phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -53
tx-sector: 20
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
rx-sector: 96

Very nice product

could you please tell me where can you disable the beamforming, and with what ros version?

mistry7 · Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:46 pm

All my Dealers say begin of June
Need some to replace these Ignitenets. A replaced link again causes trouble. Very low quality of components. Hopefully LHG 60 works from the beginning.

There is something on the way...

https://www.mikrotik-shop.de/Komplettsy ... :2256.html

server8 · Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:28 pm

LHG60 is on my desk

I have a short link around 200m to make some test I'd like to know the default tx power of the LHG 60?

Thank you in advance

Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:49 pm

LHG60 is on my desk

I have a short link around 200m to make some test I'd like to know the default tx power of the LHG 60?

Thank you in advance

Got 2 links

. Happy testing.

rado3105 · Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:05 am

I have one link usin LHG 60 on 900m. During very heavy rain, which took a part for 5 minutes LHG went completely down. So in 60G propably maximal recommended distance would be 1km...

Killian · Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:02 pm

Have on installed at 759m with the past few weeks, very impressed but went down a few times in very heavy rain the other day, no problems with light rain, fog or mist.
I do notice that if change frequencies on it the the alignment can move around.

Man O Man it took some fiddling around to get it line up

/interface w60g> monitor 0   
       connected: yes
       frequency: 64800
  remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AE:CA:DF
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -68
       tx-sector: 6
  tx-sector-info: right 1 degrees, down 1.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 759.08m

mistry7 · Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:42 pm

Have on installed at 759m with the past few weeks, very impressed but went down a few times in very heavy rain the other day, no problems with light rain, fog or mist.
I do notice that if change frequencies on it the the alignment can move around.

Man O Man it took some fiddling around to get it line up
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/interface w60g> monitor 0   
       connected: yes
       frequency: 64800
  remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AE:CA:DF
             mcs: 8
        phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
          signal: 80
            rssi: -68
       tx-sector: 6
  tx-sector-info: right 1 degrees, down 1.4 degrees
       rx-sector: 96
        distance: 759.08m

-68 RSSI is really bad at this distance you need to realign!

Look the Post above 900m and RSSI -53

blue · Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:43 pm

Hey, on Wikipedia I found an info that 802.11ad is supporting following channels:

1 58.32GHz
2 60.48GHz
3 62.64GHz
4 64.80GHz
5 66.96GHz
6 69.12GHz

Will Mikrotik support all 6 channels?

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