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Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:00 pm

Hi,

I need help, ASAP!!

I have a router Mikrotik RB1100 in a hostel and since yesterday I started to get the message "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop" in the log and the whole internet connection get very slow for everyone.

I searched for a solution online and didn't find anything! For sure is not a loop because the network topology is very simple: the router and 10 very simple APs connected to it.

The DHCP server has authoritative set Yes and there is nothing special in the configuration (i'm running a simple hotspot with a unique DHCP server on a bridge).

How can I know who is generating this broadcast? and how can I stop it?

Thanks!!
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:17 pm

Do sniffing traffic and analyze ...
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:24 pm

I tried it (very hard, more than 100 users connected) and the only suspicious packages I noticed were from some iOS device doing massive mDNS (bonjour, i guess).
I tried with a rule in the firewall blocking the port 5353 but didn't help... maybe is not enough?
Mikrotik should tell me more than just this warning, no?
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:53 pm

I had this issue at home when connecting 2 Sonos devices on my lan. Turn on stp or rstp. That solved my issue. Do it on all smart switches too.
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:58 pm

I activated RSTP yesterday, didn't help :(

Also, 5 minutes ago the error stopped so the device (and the person...) who was generating left the hotel. This is good because everything is working again but also very bad because this person will probably come back and start the problem again.

I can't believe that Mikrotik can only give me that warning message and not more information like the IP responsible for this!!
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:11 pm

Could you post a export compact?
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:26 pm

# oct/08/2014 12:18:34 by RouterOS 6.19
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:29 pm

as you can see I added a lot of rules to the firewall trying to block possible virus or attacks but the problem is still happening!

I get this warning in the log:
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and the whole network is dying.

I have 10 APs connected to the ether5 and I want to know what device is causing this and doing what? Mikrotik should give me more information, no?

Thanks!!
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:16 pm

This is what I get using the Packet Sniffer:
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I guess this is the responsible for the alert and the problem, right? Should I just block the Dst. Port 5353? I think it wasn't enough when I tried... help?
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:45 pm

I think I found a solution but not sure if it's the best...

I created a filter in the Bridge for the MAC Protocol (ipv6) used by all these iOS devices creating the flood:
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The amount of packages are crazy and they are using a lot of CPU.

Any better solution?
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:18 am

I cant find RSTP on your bridge, but it could be another issue that you have....

My guess is that your client is using multiple apple products to stream music or video in your wifi network. Have you tried blocking communication between clients?
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:01 am

Yes, i do have RSTP enabled in the bridge:
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About the communication, I don't think they are internal communications between clients but multicast performed by different iOS devices:
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As you can see, I have different source addresses sending such packages.

Btw, the bridge filter blocked already more than 217 millions of packages in the last hours! it's crazy!
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:40 am

Crazy!! How is your AP setup? Is it also Mikrotik?
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:11 pm

Crazy indeed!!

Take a look how many packages were already blocked since yesterday:
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The good part is that everyone is using internet without problem in the hotel but I think is crazy to keep blocking it that way.

About the APs, I have more 10 APs from different manufactures (tp-link, linksys, etc.) connected to a switch that goes to the Mikrotik, nothing special about them... all of them set as APs.
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:45 pm

As you can see from sniffer you are receiving the same packet multiple times, so it is definitely a loop in your network.
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:07 pm

and how can I detect where is the loop?
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:16 pm

i sometimes configure netwatch to see if devices are online

then i start disabling interfaces,

last time with a customer, even if i disabled ports everything did stay online,
the customer installed a wireless sonos hifi system, connected them wireless together and then did use cable on both sides.
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:41 pm

My guess is that there is something with the config on the AP side. AR you by any chance using a switch too?
Just plugging in 2 Sonos systems to my home lan killed it totally, turning on rstp solved it for me
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:33 pm

Yes, that was exactly the problem!

After analyzing all the cables I found that they had a Cisco switch between some of the APs and the Mikrotik and it was sending all the packages to everyone, creating some kind of loop and generating the flood.

I removed it and now all the APs are connected directly to the Mikrotik, where I'm dropping such packages and controlling the problem.

Anyway I think this type of multicast iOS devices are doing is crazy because when you have such kind of switchs these packages are multiplying every second!

Since I removed that switch the problem stopped.

Thanks for all your help, I learned A LOT trying to solve it :)
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:10 pm

Great! Glad I could help!
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:38 pm

Really good to hear such experience. I also had similar issue. We use Mikrotik on routing side, but ubiquiti on wireless access side. I have more than 200 ubiquiti stations for point-to-multipoint corporate links. Some rural areas, when some electrical issue happens Ubiquiti crushes and starts to duplicate packets until my engineers replace or re-configure this broken ubiquiti.
 
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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:19 pm

I have a same problem. It suddenly appeard on 1 ethernet port in log and stopped working. When I disable poe on that port (means no cable connected - device off) it still shows a plenty of packets. No bridge on that port, switch disabled and still. Going to replace that.

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Re: Help! "excessive broadcasts/multicast, probably a loop"

Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:29 pm

HI,

I HAVE A 500 MB INTERNET PACKAGE.. BUT THE PROCESSOR OF THE RB750G IT GOES TO 100 PERCENT SO I CANT USE MY 500 MB INTERNET ALL THE TIME..
MY MONEY IS WASTING KINDLY HELP ME FAST AS POSSIBLE AND I ALSO REQUEST TO THE MIKROTIK SUPPORT TO HELP ME..


I STARTED USING RB750G FROM 2 MONTHS AND 1ST MONTH IT WAS FINE AND GREAT WORKING BUT NOW FROM 5 TO 6 DAYS ITS BEEN A HEADACHE FOR ME...PLEASE KINDLY HELP
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