What are the new Mikrotik Intercel LTE access points? Will you have them in CBRS (3 ghz)?

Currently products supports only TDD Band38 and Band39.
You need the LTE Base Station for 3.5ghz? For which country and which exact LTE bands Band 42, 43 or 48?
Also what other requirements you have like output power, any other hardware/software features?

Here is info on the LTE bands:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php

We need band 48 TDD 3500 CBRS (US) 3550 – 3700 for the US.

What about unlicensed 2.4 ghz in LTE?

Output power can be 1 W. Most of us are using https://baicells.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a ... Data-Sheet right now.

So the requirements are TDD BAND 48 with 1W output power.
You need only one cell (20mhz) 2x2 MIMO or you need CA support 20+20mhz (2 cells)?

About unlicensed 2.4ghz - which LTE band you are referring? Is it TDD BAND 41? If yes, maybe you could tell more which exact frequency range as the current B38 can be also adjusted to B41 with the range of 2570-2620mhz

TDD ban 48 at 1W watt, correct.

Both options would be great. Single channel and dual channel (CA).

For 2.4 ghz the frequency range is 2400 - 2500. ISM band.

Or band 42/43 would work. You already have a CPE for it. https://mikrotik.com/product/lhg_4g_kit

From the LTE band list I can't find the band that is from 2400-2500. Maybe you know some product that support that so we could look what band it is?
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php

When we would make a BaseStation for 3.5ghz we would need more detailed which exact band is the most used that users could use as we can't make a Base station that supports all 3 bands (42,43,48).

For what distance you would need such Base Station?

We currently use Wimax in Canada in FWA Band ( 3.5Ghz Fixed Wireless Access ) and having LTE in this band ( LTE Band 42 ) with your hardware will be nice.

We currently use FWA Band D ( 3475-3500 ) and H ( 3575-3600 ) --> https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 09311.html

More information about this spectrum use in canada can be find here
https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 02063.html

We currently use Wimax in Canada in FWA Band ( 3.5Ghz Fixed Wireless Access ) and having LTE in this band ( LTE Band 42 ) with your hardware will be nice.

We currently use FWA Band D ( 3475-3500 ) and H ( 3575-3600 ) --> https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 09311.html

More information about this spectrum use in canada can be find here
https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 02063.html

If we would go for B48 band it would be with 3550-3700 support. And we could enable the band mapping to B42 so it would support 3550-3600. So it means you would not have support for 3475-3550. Would that be ok, or you think we need to go for direct B42 full support?
Is there any plans for Canada to go for B48 or they will stay with B42 and B43?
Any other requirements for hardware - output power?

So the requirements are TDD BAND 48 with 1W output power.
You need only one cell (20mhz) 2x2 MIMO or you need CA support 20+20mhz (2 cells)?

About unlicensed 2.4ghz - which LTE band you are referring? Is it TDD BAND 41? If yes, maybe you could tell more which exact frequency range as the current B38 can be also adjusted to B41 with the range of 2570-2620mhz

Uldis,

I have a unique enterprise deployment allowing (preferring) a band below 1GHz. Any band such as B44, B5, B6, B8, B17, B18, B19, B20, B26, B27, B28, B29 would be ideal. 2x 2x2 and output EIRP limited to 500mW. Are there any plans to support any of the Bands?

Is there a wiki or users manual available?

Thanks,

not yet, the device is not yet shipping.

So the requirements are TDD BAND 48 with 1W output power.
You need only one cell (20mhz) 2x2 MIMO or you need CA support 20+20mhz (2 cells)?

About unlicensed 2.4ghz - which LTE band you are referring? Is it TDD BAND 41? If yes, maybe you could tell more which exact frequency range as the current B38 can be also adjusted to B41 with the range of 2570-2620mhz

Uldis,

I have a unique enterprise deployment allowing (preferring) a band below 1GHz. Any band such as B44, B5, B6, B8, B17, B18, B19, B20, B26, B27, B28, B29 would be ideal. 2x 2x2 and output EIRP limited to 500mW. Are there any plans to support any of the Bands?

Is there a wiki or users manual available?

Thanks,

Theoretically it is possible to make such device but it would require time and also a pre-order big volume of devices to justify the costs involved for designing/certifying/manufacturing for a specific band. If you are committed to that please contact support@mikrotik.com

And what about BAND 46 and 47:) ?

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-div ... band-radio

Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

We currently use Wimax in Canada in FWA Band ( 3.5Ghz Fixed Wireless Access ) and having LTE in this band ( LTE Band 42 ) with your hardware will be nice.

We currently use FWA Band D ( 3475-3500 ) and H ( 3575-3600 ) --> https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 09311.html

More information about this spectrum use in canada can be find here
https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 02063.html

If we would go for B48 band it would be with 3550-3700 support. And we could enable the band mapping to B42 so it would support 3550-3600. So it means you would not have support for 3475-3550. Would that be ok, or you think we need to go for direct B42 full support?
Is there any plans for Canada to go for B48 or they will stay with B42 and B43?
Any other requirements for hardware - output power?

LTE for mobile device are in band you already support, but we keep this frequency for mobile device currently ( we own some in our region ).
Will still be nice if we could use half of our FWA frequency to operate fixed wireless in LTE with your AP ( B48 ), as for the power currently we are limited to 1W in these frequency that was design for Fixed Wimax in Canada and that we own for some territory.

Will still be nice if we could use half of our FWA frequency to operate fixed wireless in LTE with your AP ( B48 ), as for the power currently we are limited to 1W in these frequency that was design for Fixed Wimax in Canada and that we own for some territory.

You need to check with your regulator ... in Europe, most of spectrum licenses recently come as technology-agnostic (but might have strings attached, such as "use for public access" or something), hence other limitations (e.g. max EIRP) are not affected by particular RF technology used.

We currently use Wimax in Canada in FWA Band ( 3.5Ghz Fixed Wireless Access ) and having LTE in this band ( LTE Band 42 ) with your hardware will be nice.

We currently use FWA Band D ( 3475-3500 ) and H ( 3575-3600 ) --> https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 09311.html

More information about this spectrum use in canada can be find here
https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.n ... 02063.html

If we would go for B48 band it would be with 3550-3700 support. And we could enable the band mapping to B42 so it would support 3550-3600. So it means you would not have support for 3475-3550. Would that be ok, or you think we need to go for direct B42 full support?
Is there any plans for Canada to go for B48 or they will stay with B42 and B43?
Any other requirements for hardware - output power?

LTE for mobile device are in band you already support, but we keep this frequency for mobile device currently ( we own some in our region ).
Will still be nice if we could use half of our FWA frequency to operate fixed wireless in LTE with your AP ( B48 ), as for the power currently we are limited to 1W in these frequency that was design for Fixed Wimax in Canada and that we own for some territory.

Which frequency you have that is already supported by us?
So B48 with part of B42/B43 would be ok?
Output power 1W with 2 carriers to make the Carrier aggregation like 20+20mhz?
Any other requirements?
What kind of volume you would need such product?
Please contact with all that info to support@mikrotik.com

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-div ... band-radio

Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

It looks like we could make support for the SAS on the Base Station. The question is - is it required also on the LTE CPE or just on the the Base Station?

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-div ... band-radio

Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

It looks like we could make support for the SAS on the Base Station. The question is - is it required also on the LTE CPE or just on the the Base Station?

CPE just follows base station. Exactly as wifi station follows wifi AP.

working band 4 Fdd y/0 en 3.6 ghz TDD

what epc would have to use to deploy my network?

what epc would have to use to deploy my network?

We will have built-in EPC on the base station but you can also use some external one. Maybe someone here on the forum can suggest some open source or commercial EPC.

what epc would have to use to deploy my network?

We will have built-in EPC on the base station but you can also use some external one. Maybe someone here on the forum can suggest some open source or commercial EPC.

I understand that the built-in epc can only handle 32 clients

what epc would have to use to deploy my network?

We will have built-in EPC on the base station but you can also use some external one. Maybe someone here on the forum can suggest some open source or commercial EPC.

I understand that the built-in epc can only handle 32 clients

Per sector.

You don't want to have more than 32 clients fighting for the same realistic 100-200Mbps ... plus with that low Tx power, cells will be small (Tx power, used by "real MNOs", is typically around 50W per Tx chain, that's 100W for 2x2 MIMO sector).

what epc would have to use to deploy my network?

We will have built-in EPC on the base station but you can also use some external one. Maybe someone here on the forum can suggest some open source or commercial EPC.

I understand that the built-in epc can only handle 32 clients

we have updated the specs and the built-in EPC would support up to 256 clients.

Uldis,
What are the other LTE bands are plan? timeframe ? ,
We'd buy some band 40 (2.3Ghz) now....

Uldis,
What are the other LTE bands are plan? timeframe ? ,
We'd buy some band 40 (2.3Ghz) now....

All depends on the demand and the requirements.

Uldis,
What are the other LTE bands are plan? timeframe ? ,
We'd buy some band 40 (2.3Ghz) now....

All depends on the demand and the requirements.

a consultation where I can quote sim card equipment

B42/B43 support would be really great for us in Canada. The Mikrotik CPE options look very nice, it's hard to find good CPE options in this band. The built in EPC would also be great, since EPCs can get very expensive. Another useful feature would be layer 2 bridging between the base station and CPE for offering custom circuits to customers.

Uldis,
What are the other LTE bands are plan? timeframe ? ,
We'd buy some band 40 (2.3Ghz) now....

All depends on the demand and the requirements.

a consultation where I can quote sim card equipment

You can buy them in bulk (empty SIM cards) from various supplies in the internet and even from the China. then you can get a USB Smart card programmer and then program with your desired info for the built-in EPC. We will check maybe we could integrate the SIM card programming in RouterOS but we are not sure yet on that.

B42/B43 support would be really great for us in Canada. The Mikrotik CPE options look very nice, it's hard to find good CPE options in this band. The built in EPC would also be great, since EPCs can get very expensive. Another useful feature would be layer 2 bridging between the base station and CPE for offering custom circuits to customers.

Which frequencies you can use in Canada? If we would introduce a Base Station that would be for B48 we could do band mapping to B42/B43 overlapping frequencies. So we could support such range for the device: 3550-3700Mhz
Yes, we already have CPE for Bands 42/43 which uses R11e-4G modem.
Yes, if we would make a the Base station for B48 it would support built in EPC.
About Layer2 bridging, it is supported on the CPE already via LTE Passthrough option. For the Base Station we need to check. But I think it would be possible. If you could send us a network diagram/setup how you would like to make it we could check that.

B42/B43 support would be really great for us in Canada. The Mikrotik CPE options look very nice, it's hard to find good CPE options in this band. The built in EPC would also be great, since EPCs can get very expensive. Another useful feature would be layer 2 bridging between the base station and CPE for offering custom circuits to customers.

+ 1 on the B42/B43 Band. However in addition, chances are that most LTE providers operating already on this forum with LTE license are already using some type of LTE product, whether eNB, EPC core, ODU IDU and even MiFi (by far the largest sellling CPE deevice on LTE bands). What gets everyone excited is the possibility of distributive pricing (lower cost devices and great value) a Miktrotik product (Intercell will bring as suppose to current product offerings) to that effect, I will suggest checking all LTE licensees globally (example here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks) then, do a poll of active Mikrotik users to see bands that are needed the most and then with that data prioritise Bands production in InterCell. This will justify the investment from Mikrotik while having a road map for other bands to come later. Another interesting part is that, the InterCell should be able to work with existing EPC as a way to extend existing coverage. By the way, does InterCell have an integrated backhual option?

To be candid, most fixed wireless companies (Majority of companies on the Mikrotik forum) will not benefit from InterCell not now, not even in the near future due to LTE license fees and all, thus I think Mikrotik needs to invest also on the 5ghz small cell (LTE-U and/or LAA) for eNB with standalone EPC and ODU. Then you'll see a real surge in demand and inverably sales.

Having said all that, I am baised toward B42/B43 InterCell, we need it since like yesterday! I am stopping a whole expansion project just at the announcement of InterCell, any hope for us soon?

... thus I think Mikrotik needs to invest also on the 5ghz small cell (LTE-U and/or LAA) for eNB with standalone EPC and ODU.

What would be the benefit of running LTE on 5GHz as opposed to WiFi on same 5GHz band?

Most MNOs are after clean spectrum chunks as only interference-free spectrum can assure good cell operation. That's not going to happen in some crowded chunk of ISM spectrum.

Disclaimer: I have a MNO RF background ...

are i want antenna ??? and special EPC ???
or only i want internet and sim card ???

as i mean
intercell include EPC Built-in ... ??
if i have internet and sim card
can i Active sim card direct with intercell by OS EPC Built-in ... ?
How many users can Connected at the same time ?
what are you mean ( Connected active users 96 per cell , RRC connected users 192 per cell ) ??

@WebItG: if you're asking yourself those questions, then Intercell LTE AP is not for you.

The "AP" in product name is somehow misleading (AP is usually used in WiFi context where everybody can install some), the standard name in LTE world is e-NodeB.
Which, BTW, doesn't fit this particular product because this product contains also functionality of EPC and that's well beyond functionality of standard e-NodeB. But usual WiFi APs don't perform it as well (e.g. EPC includes functionality of authentication and authorization of clients, in WiFi world same is performed by Radius via hot-spot portals).

... thus I think Mikrotik needs to invest also on the 5ghz small cell (LTE-U and/or LAA) for eNB with standalone EPC and ODU.

What would be the benefit of running LTE on 5GHz as opposed to WiFi on same 5GHz band?

Most MNOs are after clean spectrum chunks as only interference-free spectrum can assure good cell operation. That's not going to happen in some crowded chunk of ISM spectrum.

Disclaimer: I have a MNO RF background ...

First off, for the licensed bands, I agree most MNO are looking for clean spectrum, however it comes at a huge cost hence the license fees attached. This is outside the reach of nearly 90% of all WISP and thus left to a small targeted market. But even in that space, expansion can become very expensive with eNBs, software licences, etc, hence the excitement at a device from Mikrotik = quality, ruggedness, lowCost... and I am guessing free recurring software fees?

For the unlicensed band, the reason I think LTE in the 5ghz makes perfect sense beyond anything else is 'overhead cost' (no multi million dollar license to start with). But technically, I get the challenge with effect on WiFi but compared with traditional unlicensed 5ghz there are several added benefit (too much to list in this forum) but if and when properly deployed, could seemingly make a lowcost WISP a big deal, and I do say they can coexist.
The debate is still going on on the effect of LTE-U on traditional WiFi but I guarantee you, LTE_U in unlicensed spectrum is coming across vendors...In fact it's already here. Just concluded a demo field test for an OEM recently and it's actually great (we used an LTE-U LAA small cell).
There is a reason it is called LTE - Long Term Evolution, is I guess it's an evolving technology and definitely one to watch for the future, or should I say even now.

You didn't answer to my question: by would WISP want to run LTE on 5GHz instead of running WiFi on same 5GHz. What is that makes LTE more feasible technology than WiFi? RF performance is not prime candidate as both technologies use same radio techniques (OFDM, TDD). Keeping in mind that CPE device cost is still higher for LTE than for WiFi.

I've worked as RF engineer for incumbent MNO for 15 years (until recently) ... and yes, we've been looking into unlicensed spectrum many times (not only with event of LTE, even built a small WiMax network but ditched it for LTE) ... and yes, all of our radio equipment vendors kept suggesting we should go this way while they never showed any real proof of how this would benefit our operations. Even with purchased spectrum we received our share of problems due to interference (mainly across country borders from other operators) and we somehow managed to keep our network operate with decent stability so that our customers kept good perception. With uncontrollable external interference there's no way such network could be operated at the same stability level. While most people recognize that WiFi is unstable at times they assume MNOs will be stable at all times and would not accept degraded service.
It's always been the struggle between MNOs witch stable performance but "outrageous" prices versus WISPs with "nice" prices but less stable performance. However, until customer expects to have same level of performance anywhere in some operators network, that's fine. If performance varies and the reason is not under customer's control, there will be complaints. And average customer will not notice (or even have means to detect) that at certain time his mobile is using LTE on ISM band ... for customer it'll still be LTE and LTE is supposed to be more stable than WiFi, right? Because MNOs charge outrageous money and customers have right to demand stable performance no matter what.

Slightly off-topic, but shows same phenomenon, which is move towards using cheaper frequencies: it is funny how some "enthusiasts" keep talking about "WiFi offload" (moving MNO customers from using whatever mobile network to using WiFi) due to capacity reasons, which doesn't seem to happen really ... and yet there are many WiFi "networks" using mobile network (primarily LTE these days) for upstream connection. Another funny fact: LTE standardized "backhaul over LTE" (backhaul is commonly used for links between base stations and core network) and idea was to share same LTE cells for both backhauling other LTE cells and customer traffic. This would allow for lower costs (fee for PtP microwave link could be skipped) ... but it doesn't seem to happen on any noticable scale.

You didn't answer to my question: by would WISP want to run LTE on 5GHz instead of running WiFi on same 5GHz. What is that makes LTE more feasible technology than WiFi? RF performance is not prime candidate as both technologies use same radio techniques (OFDM, TDD). Keeping in mind that CPE device cost is still higher for LTE than for WiFi.

Without trying to get into the Wifi vs. LTE-U argument on which is better or why one is preferred to the other, (there are more than enough documentations from both WiFi and LTE-U promoters on this subject already) Quite frankly, I think it's a matter of choice on what suits a service provider network WiFi or LTE-U). For me in my test, I think there is slightly better nLoS service and last mile was relative stable on LTE-U
My point is the essence of this thread "Mikrotik Intercell LTE APs" so that while MNO are excited about Mikrotik stepping into LTE eNBs, Core (EPC) (which going by the prices Mikrotik is putting out for InterCell is very encouraging for expansion), I think the target market amongst Mikrotik users is small and if Mikrotik wants to get more providers excited, LTE-U is inevitable. Now weather it is better than WiFi, only time will tell, I don't want to get into that. Meanwhile Mikrotik team, is B42 on the roadmap for InterCell?

This totally caught me by surprise! Wow, I was just excited to start testing some Mikrotik LTE CPE's (which I can't get to work yet) on my B41/42/43 eNb's from Baicells.

PLEASE make eNb's that fit most users needs for USA, which is B41/42/43, and the new B48 which is 2500-2620Mhz for B41, and 3500-3800 for B48.

I have many deployments on B41 with Baicells but no carrier aggregation support yet and still the old Cat4 CPE's. I would definitely be interested and purchase many B41 enB's, especially if you have 10W versions. We have lots of licensed spectrum, and please contact me if you'd like a beta tester!

... thus I think Mikrotik needs to invest also on the 5ghz small cell (LTE-U and/or LAA) for eNB with standalone EPC and ODU.

What would be the benefit of running LTE on 5GHz as opposed to WiFi on same 5GHz band?

Most MNOs are after clean spectrum chunks as only interference-free spectrum can assure good cell operation. That's not going to happen in some crowded chunk of ISM spectrum.

Disclaimer: I have a MNO RF background ...

If we focus on fixed wireless use case then, well executed and designed LTE radios would have better Link budget then WiFi 802.11n radios. Difference between 802.11ac and LTE would be lower.
Additional benefit in some cases where range or interference is concern LTE lower channel BW can be used. However many WiFi based solutions have been able to do 1/2 or 1/4 channel BW as well.
Overhead of LTE and WiFi in smaller channel BW would increase but LTE suffers more gracefully then WiFi based solution.
LTE solution when deploying multiple enodeB's on tower would inherently work very well considering natural synchronisation support, but then again WiFi based solutions on the market came up with their own proprietary versions of synchronised TDMA mode of operation as well.
Frequency reuse with LTE will be much easier then with WiFi based solution,.

In conclusion LTE in my opinion could offer some advantages for FWA if we are talking about longer range, tighter spectrum reuse deployment scenario however cost/performance trade-off is to be analysed on case by case basis.

I would be much more interested to understand is there support for full mobility S1/X2 in this Mikrotik solution?
Is RAN sharing supported?
Load balancing?
Dual Connectivity support?
Does Mikrotik considers standalone LTE 5.8GHz version in the future?
A lot of applications with full LTE mobility support in unlicensed spectrum would be right way to go.

Currently products supports only TDD Band38 and Band39.
You need the LTE Base Station for 3.5ghz? For which country and which exact LTE bands Band 42, 43 or 48?
Also what other requirements you have like output power, any other hardware/software features?

Here is info on the LTE bands:
http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php

For Sweden it looks like the band 43 will be available for local FWA licenses.
Most of the 3.5GHz band is wil be on nation wide licens auction for 5G, but 3.7-3.8 is problably for local areas FWA.
My vote is for B43
/Paul

Is there new news about intercell
How much time is left to sell

Hi MikroTik.

When this device will available in the market? I already have license for B38/B39 can i get it sooner? How much minimum quantity to purchase? And My another Question is ( sorry if someone already ask )

1. Do i Need SIM for the subscriber? And how its works? Are you provide that
2. What kind of the antennas that you have for this or we should get in the market? What type?
3. Do i need another supporting system, or those device is stand alone and already with all in one system included ( like common mikrotik ap with router os )

Thanks
Adhie

Why are you asking forum users? please email MikroTik to ask for purchase.

Hi,

Does those base stations support Handover ?
Do you have an external EPC available or do we have to use a third party EPC ?
BR

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-div ... band-radio

Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

It looks like we could make support for the SAS on the Base Station. The question is - is it required also on the LTE CPE or just on the the Base Station?

Only required on the AP. End user devices are not required to be registered. I am a CPI with CBRS. There are two categories of devices for APs. Indoor APs are Category A limited to EIRP of 30dBi and outdoor Category B devices with EIRP of 47dBi.

https://cbrs.wirelessinnovation.org/cbr ... ifications

4x4 MIMO would be greatly appreciated. All the antennas we use currently for Telrad are 4x4 which offers better coverage in the country. Also most of the small cell antennas are 4x4 such as https://www.commscope.com/catalog/anten ... x?id=53481 which we use.

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-div ... band-radio

Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

It looks like we could make support for the SAS on the Base Station. The question is - is it required also on the LTE CPE or just on the the Base Station?

Only required on the AP. End user devices are not required to be registered. I am a CPI with CBRS. There are two categories of devices for APs. Indoor APs are Category A limited to EIRP of 30dBi and outdoor Category B devices with EIRP of 47dBi.

https://cbrs.wirelessinnovation.org/cbr ... ifications

I agree with andrewwe02000. CBRS support would be greatly appreciated in the USA. The api to the SAS providers have come a long way. Federated, Google and Comscope all available.

In Canada we can only use B42 and B43 TDD. When will the Intercell base station be available in the band?
Can i get involved in Beta testing? Dying to get my hands on one for testing to compare to BLINQ and Baicells

What antennas access point are compatible with Mikrotik Intercell LTE base station on band 38 and 39

Sorry to resurrect here but this seems the best place to put my 2 cents in

We're doing quite well with baicells CBRS band 48. I would love to see an Intercell *but* for this to be useful for us it really needs to be 4x4, dual carrier.

I would be just as happy to just see the existing LTE line of CPE support b48

Sorry to resurrect here but this seems the best place to put my 2 cents in
We're doing quite well with baicells CBRS band 48. I would love to see an Intercell *but* for this to be useful for us it really needs to be 4x4, dual carrier.

I would be just as happy to just see the existing LTE line of CPE support b48

Well, there is hope. There is a helpful document from the Chateau product page that list the future 5G modems, some of which include Band 48. But AFAIK it's not shipping with the new modem line up yet – imagine there waiting for V7 to stable slightly more since that's be required. There are photos in other forum posts that show M.2 headers in some other devices too, so can't be that long for them to release a LTE UE (e.g. CPE) that support Band 48. Now the same set of Quectel they plan for the Chateau can work today, but require a careful selection of M.2 to miniPCIe adapter etc etc, so haven't tried it myself (search for posts by SiB if interested in this approach).

We have a couple CBRS eNBs we've been testing/playing with, and I have it working with various wAP/SXT/LtAP/RB953 models. Since we already use the Telit 960 to get current AT&T/Verizon/T-mobile 4G/5G bands in US today, they already support LTE Band 48. Just need to a a AT#BAND on Telit to include B48 in the searched bands. So I've see a Mikroitk connect to CBRS personally, and Mikrotik does seem to provide good support for Telit in V7 today... Not trying to be ad for Telit modems – all I know that works today and done a lot of research to find a module with US band that came in miniPCIe - and the Telit seem the only one (at this point in time).

Sorry to resurrect here but this seems the best place to put my 2 cents in
We're doing quite well with baicells CBRS band 48.

And, agree that a 4x4 Intercel support B48 be interesting to see. Intercell's pricing is slight lower than alternatives (assuming B48 was available) – although companies like Biacell be at the CBRS stuff for a while...

I do think one thing that get missed is the CBRS SAS doesn't actually care what "protocol" use with the spectrum. Most people use CBRS with LTE B48, for obvious reason that what most LTE UEs expect . But CBRS has NO requirement it actually be LTE – in "pure" CBRS, it's just 10-20Mhz bandwidth in the 3.5Ghz spectrum, that requires using a REST API to acquire for the spectrum allocation grant from a CBRS SAS to use (on WinnForum-certified hardware, requested by a CBRS certified installer). All EPC/tunnels/S-x interfaces/etc/etc seem unnecessarily complex if you only have a few devices you want to connect...

Certainly a lot of use cases for LTE over CBRS (B48)...but what be very interesting to see is some simplier, non-LTE Intercel that use CBRS spectrum without LTE for PtP (or perhaps limited PtMP) from Mikrotik. Certainly NOT arguing for "Nstream/Nv2 over CBRS", but in theory that be allowed to use US CBRS 3.5Ghz. More saying perhaps Mikrotik could do something like https://doodlelabs.com/products/smart-radio that can uses CBRS without LTE (e.g. their Ultra Reliable Low Latency Channel (URLLC), see https://vimeo.com/499931872/cb79e9fbc1 for video describing/demo it). I'd bet their low latency results with CBRS are likely achieved by using good queuing and more basic wireless protocol that avoids all the tunnels/interface/EPC that E-UTRAN requires. And, Mikrotik has a history of custom wireless protocol...

Sorry to resurrect here but this seems the best place to put my 2 cents in
We're doing quite well with baicells CBRS band 48. I would love to see an Intercell *but* for this to be useful for us it really needs to be 4x4, dual carrier.

I would be just as happy to just see the existing LTE line of CPE support b48

We have a couple CBRS eNBs we've been testing/playing with, and I have it working with various wAP/SXT/LtAP/RB953 models. Since we already use the Telit 960 to get current AT&T/Verizon/T-mobile 4G/5G bands in US today, they already support LTE Band 48. Just need to a a AT#BAND on Telit to include B48 in the searched bands. So I've see a Mikroitk connect to CBRS personally, and Mikrotik does seem to provide good support for Telit in V7 today... Not trying to be ad for Telit modems – all I know that works today and done a lot of research to find a module with US band that came in miniPCIe - and the Telit seem the only one (at this point in time).

Which telit modem and do you have a source?

Not trying to be ad for Telit modems – all I know that works today and done a lot of research to find a module with US band that came in miniPCIe - and the Telit seem the only one (at this point in time).

Which telit modem and do you have a source?

https://store.nwtowers.com/products/tel ... 3340&_ss=r
https://techship.com/products/telit-lm9 ... mpcie/001/

OUCH!

OUCH!

Yup, not cheap, but most of the 5G modems are pretty pricey relatively speaking, especially at low volumes. We were looking for full band support from both AT&T and Verizon. The subtle thing on all the modern LTE UE modems is the specific "carrier aggregation" profiles (and number of channels) they support too, those particular Telit 960s support up to 5, include some 2xCA upload channels ones from AT&T.

In fairness, all the 5G modems are pricey, you can look at the Quectel modems that are "coming soon" in Chateau 5G, which also cost >$500, likely in largely part to the cost of the modem modules: https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/Chate ... 210344.pdf – googling for the pricing on those is pretty similar.

But if you need just Band 48, you might have more luck finding a cheaper UE, the Sierra MC7411 looks to be in the US$100 range, and the TelIt 960A9...

Kinda why I wish Mikrotik would take a look at the CBRS market more. All this stuff is pretty expensive, for what you get. And, if the use case for CBRS is fixed deployments, LTE doesn't add much value since complexity isn't all that useful IMO.

But it's been two years since this post about CBRS, but does MT seem interested in supporting it, but not same as shipping something:

3550 - 3700 (CBRS) works great for people in the USA.
Eventually you'd need a software feature for the radios to talk to the SAS (spectrum access database).

It looks like we could make support for the SAS on the Base Station. The question is - is it required also on the LTE CPE or just on the the Base Station?

While SAS isn't involved on the UE / "CPE" side – SAS just allocates the frequencies and power (and requires the eNB to shutdown upon a failed "heartbeat" sent by the eNB) & following the usual E-UTRAN selection process based on MCC/MNC from SIM + eNB/EPC. The LTE UE/"CPE" modems do need support TDD for LTE B48(CBRS), which isn't something a lot of older modem modules do, so CBRS UEs get lump into 5G modules...which are expensive...

Those cards are more expensive that the entire UE for half a dozen cat15 4x4 units from other vendors.

Help - I have a FCC license for band 41 ( which is pretty much 2502 -through- 2690 (( 100-MHz of spectrum )) ).
I have no idea what is needed for equipment, servers or configurations to select, purchase, configure and turn up a LTE base station ( AP ).
At this time I am only needing data ( Internet delivery to some rural customers that my Mikrotik 5 GHz APs can't reach ).
I am looking at setting up 5 towers with 3 to 4 sector antennas.

Questions:
- For a band 41 base station , what equipment is needed ?
- Am I correct in assuming that the Mikrotik LHGG LTE6 kit might make a decent band 41 outdoor antenna client device?
- Are there any plans for the Mikrotik Intercell base station to support band 41 ?
- What manufacturers or brands of band 41 base stations are cost effective for a WISP ?
- Where do I purchase SIM cards from and how do I program them for my band 41 clients ?

I have hundreds of Mikrotik 5 GHz APs and thousands of Mikrotik 5 GHz clients. I know and understand this very well - however I know zero about LTE.
I assume it is not as simple as putting a band 41 base station on a tower with some sector antennas and configuring it like a normal 5 GHz AP.
Are there additional servers needed to get a band 41 base station running ?
What else should I be asking and what things should I be taking into consideration ?
If possible , I would like to be up and running within 60 days ( I hope this is not wishful thinking ).

I look forward to any information and assistance and recommendations

Thank you

North Idaho Tom Jones