LHG 60G experience

ryny24 · Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:21 pm

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ

I can't find anything on a new R2 version. Do you have any more information? We run 5GHZ backup paths on every LHG60, but an integrated backup would be so much easier.

autostoper76 · Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:21 pm

Please, post printscreen Link LHG 60GHz of real +4000m
Please use search or go to viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133374&sid=47ddbc29 ... 00#p699697
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autostoper76 · Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:32 pm

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
I can't find anything on a new R2 version. Do you have any more information? We run 5GHZ backup paths on every LHG60, but an integrated backup would be so much easier.

Please, Ask Mikrotik Directly about the more details
The new LHG 60GHz R2
Have a distance of about 6,000 metar and More...
MIKROTIK is in the testing phase of the new R2 version

there are people on the forum who know more details

The biggest change is in the antenna - the construction
RX and TX
Resistance to rain, snow ...
prices will be twice as expensive

wispwest · Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:41 pm

So Mikrotik is making an "R2" (release 2?) version of the LHG-60 dish that will support up to 4,000 meter (2.5 mile)? Complete new design on dish, that allows higher gain and harder to align?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:54 pm

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
I can't find anything on a new R2 version. Do you have any more information? We run 5GHZ backup paths on every LHG60, but an integrated backup would be so much easier.
Please, Ask Mikrotik Directly about the more details
The new LHG 60GHz R2
Have a distance of about 6,000 metar and More...
MIKROTIK is in the testing phase of the new R2 version

there are people on the forum who know more details

The biggest change is in the antenna - the construction
RX and TX
Resistance to rain, snow ...
prices will be twice as expensive

@MT take my money

blue · Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:17 pm

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
I can't find anything on a new R2 version. Do you have any more information? We run 5GHZ backup paths on every LHG60, but an integrated backup would be so much easier.
Please, Ask Mikrotik Directly about the more details
The new LHG 60GHz R2
Have a distance of about 6,000 metar and More...
MIKROTIK is in the testing phase of the new R2 version

there are people on the forum who know more details

The biggest change is in the antenna - the construction
RX and TX
Resistance to rain, snow ...
prices will be twice as expensive
@MT take my money

UBNT take my money

(If MTK60G end up like 802.11ac)

vladimirslk · Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:08 am

R2 i would buy, building 2 antennas, 2 boards, redundancy + poe switch on tower= no wish at all

anyway combined should be cheaper than that..

autostoper76 · Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:21 am

So Mikrotik is making an "R2" (release 2?) version of the LHG-60 dish that will support up to 4,000 meter (2.5 mile)? Complete new design on dish, that allows higher gain and harder to align?

support up to 6,000 meter !!!

server8 · Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:42 am

I hope to have soon info by mikrotik that confirm this "magic" hardware

Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:45 am

I've heard that Mikrotik has released the new LHG 60 Ghz R2 review
for range up to 6000m and embedded wifi 5GHZ
I can't find anything on a new R2 version. Do you have any more information? We run 5GHZ backup paths on every LHG60, but an integrated backup would be so much easier.
Please, Ask Mikrotik Directly about the more details
The new LHG 60GHz R2
Have a distance of about 6,000 metar and More...
MIKROTIK is in the testing phase of the new R2 version

there are people on the forum who know more details

The biggest change is in the antenna - the construction
RX and TX
Resistance to rain, snow ...
prices will be twice as expensive
@MT take my money
UBNT take my money (If MTK60G end up like 802.11ac)

UBNT gets *nothing* finished these days. LHG60 works great.

server8 · Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:53 am

Yes LHG60 is great hardware with improved distance and 5 GHZ backup it 'll be a must for 2019 wating for more info

ivicask · Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:20 am

Yes LHG60 is great hardware with improved distance and 5 GHZ backup it 'll be a must for 2019 wating for more info

I wonder if its only backup failover, or you can agregate 2 links 60+5ghz at the same time for bigger throughput along for instant failover.

server8 · Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:41 pm

The main problem is that ARM devides has big problem with NV2 so 5 GHz backup 'd not have enough performance, wait for mikortik official answer

vladimirslk · Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:02 pm

what do you expect more if you bond 5ghz+60ghz? anyway there is 1gbps ethernet port, i dont get your idea (:
my point, just to get ANY connection during bad weather, okay let it be at least 100mbps for snow fall or heavy rain, so the customers would not fuck up to red our phones

server8 · Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:16 pm

100 Mb/s is better than nothing

In PtMP scenario with long link 5 Ghz backup (>500m) is an interesting option

what do you expect more if you bond 5ghz+60ghz? anyway there is 1gbps ethernet port, i dont get your idea (:
my point, just to get ANY connection during bad weather, okay let it be at least 100mbps for snow fall or heavy rain, so the customers would not fuck up to red our phones

ivicask · Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:21 pm

what do you expect more if you bond 5ghz+60ghz? anyway there is 1gbps ethernet port, i dont get your idea (:
my point, just to get ANY connection during bad weather, okay let it be at least 100mbps for snow fall or heavy rain, so the customers would not fuck up to red our phones

What if you go a bit out of range or a little bad weather hits and u dont have 1gb anymore, like have 800mbit, 5ghz would push that 200mbit back giving you full 1gbs again, doesnt matter if u go over 1gbs combined 60+5ghz during ideal conditions which would saturate your gigabit ethernt port, its about quality of service and failover.

Thats one example, besides why not use both links at the same time?Instant fail-over without interruption, isnt that the general idea?

aisme · Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:41 am

I see everybody suggesting a specific 3rd party precision alignment mount but nobody suggested the Mikrotik solidMount
https://mikrotik.com/product/solidmount

It does look proper for the job and it is actually half price from the 3rd party one. Has anybody got any experience with it? Is it any good?

blue · Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:11 am

I see everybody suggesting a specific 3rd party precision alignment mount but nobody suggested the Mikrotik solidMount
https://mikrotik.com/product/solidmount

It does look proper for the job and it is actually half price from the 3rd party one. Has anybody got any experience with it? Is it any good?

WOW, this looks great. Much cheaper then the solution from Poland. I can't wait to try it

mistry7 · Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:26 am

I see everybody suggesting a specific 3rd party precision alignment mount but nobody suggested the Mikrotik solidMount
https://mikrotik.com/product/solidmount

It does look proper for the job and it is actually half price from the 3rd party one. Has anybody got any experience with it? Is it any good?

I waiting to get it....

wispwest · Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:20 pm

How about 5Ghz 802.11ax as a failover backup?

blue · Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:28 pm

IEEE 802.11ax is due to be publicly released sometime in 2019.

djvolt · Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:39 pm

yep, AC in MT: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=136002&start=300 = 2 years...

Forget about the 5GHz backup in the same device

Our solution will be with 2 x RPSMA

aisme · Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:40 pm

I have 5 different PtP links that I would like to upgrade to 60GHz.

The distances are:

40m
160m
185m
460m
1280m

There is never any snow and heavy rains are rear. I was planning to use LHG60 wireless wire dish for all of them but somebody suggested that the dish would not be good for the 40m link and that I should possibly use the wAP60G for the short links.

What is the problem with using the LHG60 for shorter links? Oversaturation of the receivers? If so, can power be turned down? I would prefer to use the small beamwidth of th dish than the very wide beamwidth of the wAP60G if I can avoid it.

My only requirement for all these links is max throughput and as close to the quoted gigabit speed as possible.

Any suggestions from people with experience on these shorter distances?

Thank you in advance

server8 · Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:25 pm

No problem for the short one use a WAG60+WAG60, for the middle two use WAG60+LHG60 and for the last 2 use LHG60+LHG60

if the 5 links are on the same tower remember that 64800 MHz overlaps partially 66000 MHz so you have to separate LHGs in angle and distance.

Use higher channel for longer links

aisme · Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:02 pm

Thanks server8.

The question is why is it a problem to just use LHG60 for all of them? Do the LHG60s do not work over short distances? And what is their minimum distance?

I could not find this info on their specs.

The links are not on a tower but on a roof of the same building. I can have about 5 metres distance from on to the other if needed and they all look a t a different side except two

No problem for the short one use a WAG60+WAG60, for the middle two use WAG60+LHG60 and for the last 2 use LHG60+LHG60

if the 5 links are on the same tower remember that 64800 MHz overlaps partially 66000 MHz so you have to separate LHGs in angle and distance.

Use higher channel for longer links

SATCrevinet · Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:40 pm

I have 5 different PtP links that I would like to upgrade to 60GHz.

The distances are:

40m
160m
185m
460m
1280m

There is never any snow and heavy rains are rear. I was planning to use LHG60 wireless wire dish for all of them but somebody suggested that the dish would not be good for the 40m link and that I should possibly use the wAP60G for the short links.
.................

Hi, we have 3 different installations,
Fisrt- 1.183 mtrs. above 60 percent of signal where both sites are visible each other.
Second- 806 mtrs same conditions before, no more 80% of signal
Third- 679 mtrs same as before 80% of signal.

The best speed in TCP is 500Mb upload and donload in send/recive mode, with 80%, in 60% we are talking about 150 Mb in both directions at same time.

But we have a problem, at first group, with default configuration, and both 60G connected, do not ping response

What do I have to do for repair this? Please help me.
Thanks

PD: We speak Spanish too

server8 · Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:44 am

I think you can use LHG60 without no problem but the wag60 has beamforming antenna with a narrow beam, for the shorter link is easy to install and manage.

For the colocation you have to make some test there are no reports from other users with 5 x 60 ghz radio in the same site.

autostoper76 · Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:42 pm

..
Forget about the 5GHz backup in the same device Our solution will be with 2 x RPSMA

Dear DJ Volt,

please Print SCREEN of Real Test V.S.
1. LHG 60 - LHG 60
2. DISH ALU 600MM - DISH ALU 600MM
3. DISH ALU 400MM - DISH ALU 400MM

Permitree
1. distance
2. Capacitate
3. RSSI
4 rain

please Real test, how much better are your antennas?

djvolt · Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:28 am

Please tell Mikrotik that they will do the test on LHG60, will be stable 8000 meters, no way man

Tests in Poland [weather,rain, snow]
LHG60 - LHG60 - max 700m-900m stable on 64800MHz at 1/1Gbps [snow, mainly the rime kill the antenna]
Dish 400 Feeder - Dish 400 Feeder - max 1500m stable on 64800MHz at 1/1Gbps
Dish 600 Feeder - Dish 600 Feeder - max 2500m stable on 64800MHz at 1/1Gbps, we tested 1738meters, rssi -60 so at -69 will be 3000m

In each country will be different; different conditions, different humidity, other damping etc.

Stril · Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:11 am

Hi!

Why do you use the feeder, now?
Your first setup was: LHG with alu dish AND cover. What's the advantage of the feeder?

djvolt · Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:33 am

Full Solution for electronic LHG60
* better beamforming, because the electronic is perfectly center of the dish without any deform
* is possible to make 5ghz backup
* have waterproof gland on the back of the antenna so you can easly dismount from the mast
* mainly made for PtP Links

Alu Dish 400 without the feeder is only a fast solution to help others cheap dismount the grid and mount the original triangle feeder. This helps to do better rssi and reach more meters in rain and snow, secure from the rime, is full hermetic with ABS Cover... Mainly made for PtMP links, but others use this solution also for PtP links.

Alu Dish will always better than original grid.
Alu dishes will always better also in 2,4 and 5ghz.

Differences between ROS 6.43.7 and beta50 are huge so we have a better solution, the rest will do the software from MT... If original LHG60 will have teoreticaly 1500 meters our solution will have x2

vladimirslk · Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:21 pm

I have 5 different PtP links that I would like to upgrade to 60GHz.

The distances are:

40m
160m
185m
460m
1280m

There is never any snow and heavy rains are rear. I was planning to use LHG60 wireless wire dish for all of them but somebody suggested that the dish would not be good for the 40m link and that I should possibly use the wAP60G for the short links.
.................
Hi, we have 3 different installations,
Fisrt- 1.183 mtrs. above 60 percent of signal where both sites are visible each other.
Second- 806 mtrs same conditions before, no more 80% of signal
Third- 679 mtrs same as before 80% of signal.

The best speed in TCP is 500Mb upload and donload in send/recive mode, with 80%, in 60% we are talking about 150 Mb in both directions at same time.

But we have a problem, at first group, with default configuration, and both 60G connected, do not ping response

What do I have to do for repair this? Please help me.
Thanks

PD: We speak Spanish too

that is shitty result. We push for 5 years already on J1900 atom boards 260mbps real traffic on 1km distance (: if you squeeze 150 in both directions on 1km... no way

djvolt · Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:27 pm

Hi, we have 3 different installations,
Fisrt- 1.183 mtrs. above 60 percent of signal where both sites are visible each other.
Second- 806 mtrs same conditions before, no more 80% of signal
Third- 679 mtrs same as before 80% of signal.

The best speed in TCP is 500Mb upload and donload in send/recive mode, with 80%, in 60% we are talking about 150 Mb in both directions at same time.

But we have a problem, at first group, with default configuration, and both 60G connected, do not ping response

What do I have to do for repair this? Please help me.
Thanks

PD: We speak Spanish too

BTest or iperf? On that distances you must have 940/940Mbps TCP/IP... BTest use only one core!!!!!!

autostoper76 · Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:34 am

ALU 400 VS Original LHG 60
ALU 400 does not work well

LHG ALU 400 > interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 66000
remote-address: B8:69:F4:xxx
tx-mcs: 7
tx-phy-rate: 1925.0Mbps
signal: 70
rssi: -60
tx-sector: 27
tx-sector-info: center
distance: 1367.88m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%
-- [Q quit|D dump|C-z pause]

LHG 60 ALU 400 slave ] > interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 66000
remote-address: 24:18:1D:xxx
tx-mcs: 7
tx-phy-rate: 1925.0Mbps
signal: 75
rssi: -60
tx-sector: 44
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, up 0.6 degrees
distance: 1367.93m

djvolt · Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:42 am

No 66000 on that distance!!! Perfect signals etc but you must use 64800 or 58, not 66000.

You cannot use 66, because is only for >3000 meters...

This is standard ALU without the feeder, with the front cover the snow at this point not kill the antenna and the distance is 2x than original lhg.

autostoper76 · Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:20 pm

DJ volt
Original LHG 60 much better than ALU 400

AP strana
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: B8:69:F4:81:41:96
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -59 ORIGINAL -52 !!!
tx-sector: 36 ORIGINAL 36 !!!
tx-sector-info: center
distance: 1367.87m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

the other side
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 24:18:1D:xxx
tx-mcs: 7
tx-phy-rate: 1925.0Mbps
signal: 80
rssi: -61
tx-sector: 36
tx-sector-info: center
distance: 1367.95m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

djvolt · Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:28 pm

Can you read at all my posts?????

Frequency: 64800, I write to you that YOU MUST CHANGE 66000 to 64800 on that distance on ALU dishes !!!!

ALU 400 works extremely great on 64800 up to 1500meters

So you are in wrong and you make the basic mistakes my friend

blue · Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:12 pm

But as I see, he is using 64.800!

djvolt · Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:33 pm

RSSI is not and never will be a determinant of the connection quality...

RSSI down to -65 is ideal...

We have at distance 2900meters RSSI -62 so? In this point of view only iperf or btest show us if our link is correct aligned.

Stril · Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:17 am

.... But RSSI is the only way to determine the signal margin for bad weather. Right?

I cannot install the link while there is heavy rain and snow.

Did anybody else see smaller RSSIs with Alu dishes?

autostoper76 · Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:31 am

Can you read at all my posts?????

Frequency: 64800, I write to you that YOU MUST CHANGE 66000 to 64800 on that distance on ALU dishes !!!!

ALU 400 works extremely great on 64800 up to 1500meters

So you are in wrong and you make the basic mistakes my friend

I do it again today
LHG60 Original VS ALU400mm

the same location
ALU 400 and LHG60

please,
other users to make a REAL test LHG60 Original VS ALU400mm

autostoper76 · Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:39 am

Can you read at all my posts?????

Frequency: 64800, I write to you that YOU MUST CHANGE 66000 to 64800 on that distance on ALU dishes !!!!

ALU 400 works extremely great on 64800 up to 1500meters

So you are in wrong and you make the basic mistakes my friend

DJ volt
RSSI and MCS
LHG 60 ORIGINAL is better vs Alu400

I tried on all frequencies 58000 - 66000

Pedromalik · Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:14 am

For all those who struggle these days with devices being snowed up - available solution of radome covering for harsh meteo conditions:

https://www.wifihw.cz/default.asp?cls=s ... ng&lngid=1

djvolt · Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:22 am

You have alu dish 400 without the feeder...
No way to get poor signals with alu dish, alu dish is not the plastic grid, alu dish always be better than plastic, aluminium always be better than plastic grid!

As I wrote there is also fast upgrade that make stable link in rain and snow, mainly to protect from the Rime, to get better performance and stability, no RSSI... If original LHG60 do 700meters stable, with alu dishes is 1400, 2 x better distance...

Maybe U must off or use 36 beamforming? Do you know about that?

No tx power at this time.

Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:55 am

You can't just make a random aluminum dish and expect it to be better just because of material. There are calibrations done, specifically for the original grid. Antenna design is a precise science, not a form of metallurgy.

blue · Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:08 pm

You can't just make a random aluminum dish and expect it to be better just because of material. There are calibrations done, specifically for the original grid. Antenna design is a precise science, not a form of metallurgy.

Finally some wise words

marcin21 · Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:15 pm

@Normis, anything solid is better than this grid, especially in weather conditions as in our north countries. I can't imagine what was You thinking designing this particular antenna. Lower windload but possible total death of link due to snow/water/ice cap? You have Dynadish project You could use to achieve much much better product. but You choose grid antenna. So it's not weird that lot of people trying to fix mistakes of Yours by adding covers, alu dish etc.
AND answer is YES anything of casted/forged aluminium will be better than plastic grid just in matter overall availibility of link/year
Do your product more wisely in next release PLEASE.

lhgsnow.jpg

Example of precise science work at mikrotik lab.

Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:26 pm

LEDs in your picture show that it's still connected

Bergante · Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:50 pm

You can't just make a random aluminum dish and expect it to be better just because of material. There are calibrations done, specifically for the original grid. Antenna design is a precise science, not a form of metallurgy.

Indeed. Especially remember that the higher the frequency (hence, the shorter the wavelength) the most precision needed.

The only solution I imagine for the ice problems is heating and/or some water repellent treatment. There are specific PTFE based sprays for that. Or maybe something like silicone based lubricant.

I'm waiting for some snow here to try but in 50 years I've seen less than 5 serious snow events.

Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:00 pm

You can't just make a random aluminum dish and expect it to be better just because of material. There are calibrations done, specifically for the original grid. Antenna design is a precise science, not a form of metallurgy.
Indeed. Especially remember that the higher the frequency (hence, the shorter the wavelength) the most precision needed.

The only solution I imagine for the ice problems is heating and/or some water repellent treatment. There are specific PTFE based sprays for that. Or maybe something like silicone based lubricant.

I'm waiting for some snow here to try but in 50 years I've seen less than 5 serious snow events.

Best is to use the heat of the radio/board itself. We see problems with snow on the longer links even if it does not hang to the antenna. Seems to have more influence on 60GHz than rain.

Bergante · Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:17 pm

Best is to use the heat of the radio/board itself. We see problems with snow on the longer links even if it does not hang to the antenna. Seems to have more influence on 60GHz than rain.

Yes, problematic with the LHG though, I doubt the dish gets warm enogh.

Some time ago I read about problems they had in the Deep USA with LED traffic lights. Being more efficient than the typical tungsten incandescent lamps the things didn't get warm enough and it was frequent to have them covered in snow. They had to add a heating system for the Winter.

Oh and starling droppings could be a problem as well!

In Spain falconry is used to avoid such problems!

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180956946/

djvolt · Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:56 pm

LEDs in your picture show that it's still connected

Still connected? Signal 40 and 700meters is still connected??? Where is 1500 meters???

Really? This is your answer Normis on WorldwIde forum? This alu dishes are absolutely perfect and perfect fits to your lhg grids so how dare you push the putty that it has no right to act since the dimensions and depth are identical? Hmm?

I have a Mikrotik's motto: "We sell plastic, electronics for free for everyone"

For the others:

Please do not use beamforming, please set 36 and use alu dishes

For alu dishes we have much better solutions: http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/60ghz/111- ... -dish.html

With Cover is full hermetic

We can also do heater inside for 24V

Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:21 pm

I understand that selling your product kind of relies on you criticizing the original product, but this is getting ridiculous. Please stop.

djvolt · Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:47 pm

I understand that selling your product kind of relies on you criticizing the original product, but this is getting ridiculous. Please stop.

Eh Normis, I understand your frustration, but our product does not criticize your product, our product helps in the sale of your product like LHG60 etc

We have only upgrades for your products that improves your products, not whole products...

Like Mercedes and AMG, AMG helps to sell Mercedes so LHG60 is Mercedes but AMG is Alu Dish + Front Cover + feeder + electronic from whole LHG60, thats all

Instead of helping us, you will still be angry :{

aisme · Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:22 pm

I did a quick test link today between LHG60s and distance 167m. The link came up and was connected but I assume it needed further adjustment because the values were all low: MCS 3 and phy-rate 923mbps. RSSI -65.

The frequency was at 58Ghz and just for testing I changed it to 66000 manually on both sides. The link immediately dropped and never came back.

Does anybody know why the link disconnected because of the frequency change?

aisme · Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:27 pm

My 2nd question is what is the favorite/usual method of aligning the LHG60 dishes?

Do you install both dishes and try to point them as best you can to each other until they link? And then go to one side and adjust trying to maximise RSSI, then go to the other side and do the same and then go back on first dish and try to adjust even more and back and forth?

What is a tried and tested method of properly aligning these dishes?

Thank you

djvolt · Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:38 pm

I did a quick test link today between LHG60s and distance 167m. The link came up and was connected but I assume it needed further adjustment because the values were all low: MCS 3 and phy-rate 923mbps. RSSI -65.

The frequency was at 58Ghz and just for testing I changed it to 66000 manually on both sides. The link immediately dropped and never came back.

Does anybody know why the link disconnected because of the frequency change?

Hello aisme

This is that what I wrote some post ago, no way to use RSSI as determinant of connection quality

Please use BTest to align correct link... If BTest show around 900Mbps in UDP or >350Mbps in TCP sesion the link is rock solid stable. You can also use align command, but BTest is the best solution at this moment... Please check always tx-sector information, perfect is "Center" mean 0

I have also this defect on ROS 6.43.7, 6.43.8 and beta50... After disconnect no chance to up the link

Stril · Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:22 am

Aligning with BTest is a very bad idea for a short link in my opinion.

Bad aligned means: Gigabit on good weather, lower bandwidth on heavy rain.
Good alignment means: Always Gigabit
--> You want gigabit on all conditions.

What I do:
- Align "by sight" both sites (should be easy for 200m)
- Optimize RSSI on first site
- Optimize RSSI on second site
- Optimize RSSI on first site

Optimizing means:
- Align-mode
- Y-axis until best RSSI
- X-axis until best RSSI

I did that for a 400m link and it was quite easy.
You can make it easier, if you set tx-sector=36 (center) while you align.

On a 200m link, you should be far below -50dB (I think, about -46)

autostoper76 · Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 am

I understand that selling your product kind of relies on you criticizing the original product, but this is getting ridiculous. Please stop.

Hi Dear Normis,

when will the new Wireless Link 60ghz ? or 24 GHz or 80 GHz

autostoper76 · Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:30 am

I understand that selling your product kind of relies on you criticizing the original product, but this is getting ridiculous. Please stop.
Eh Normis, I understand your frustration, but our product does not criticize your product, our product helps in the sale of your product like LHG60 etc

We have only upgrades for your products that improves your products, not whole products...

Like Mercedes and AMG, AMG helps to sell Mercedes so LHG60 is Mercedes but AMG is Alu Dish + Front Cover + feeder + electronic from whole LHG60, thats all

Instead of helping us, you will still be angry :{

Please.
Is there any test of Alu400 ?
What are your experiences?
ALU400 vs Original 60GHz

djvolt · Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:04 am

I understand that selling your product kind of relies on you criticizing the original product, but this is getting ridiculous. Please stop.
Hi Dear Normis,

when will the new Wireless Link 60ghz ? or 24 GHz or 80 GHz

Like in AC on arm so NEVER

I think better solution will be IgniteNet with Alu Dishes, no problem to transfer 2,5G

Please.
Is there any test of Alu400 ?
What are your experiences?
ALU400 vs Original 60GHz

Yes of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 8On7sLnv_k

ROS: 6.42.1, Frequency 58GHz on two wAP60G. Do the same on original LHG

I think only with off beamforming... Please off beamforming on our alu dishes and check stability.

Now we project the heater for our alu dishes, alu dish will be always warm <15 degree

I think will be 24V, on the back will be waterproof gland with LAN port like in alu dishes Gen2

SpanMG · Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:48 am

Друзья, прошу помощи.

В роли AP выступает wAP 60G AP
В рои клиентов выступают Wireless Wire Dish (LHGG-60ad)

Расстояния до клиента1 327 м. (+-30м)
Расстояние до клиента2 500м.(+-30м)

Раз в несколько дней происходит отключение обоих клиентов, причем что странно, если зайти на интерфейс WAP interface w60g station print оба клиента присудствуют, но в логах видно что обе точки ушли из радио
Решается все перезагрузкой WAP

[admin@client1] > int w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -70
tx-sector: 50
tx-sector-info: left 0.6 degrees, up 1 degrees
distance: 359.8m

[admin@client2] > interface w60g monitor wlan60-1
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:
tx-mcs: 6
tx-phy-rate: 1540.0Mbps
signal: 60
rssi: -65
tx-sector: 52
tx-sector-info: right 0.2 degrees, up 1 degrees
distance: 540.69m

Прошивки везде 6.43.8

Вероятно у client2 слишком слабый сигнал, его попробуем улучшить, но почему выходит из радио и второй клиент, и почему они обратно самостоятельно не возвращаются.
Замечу что погодные условия не меняются, т.е. нет проливного дождя или снегопада.

Что можете посоветовать?

djvolt · Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:30 am

Maybe check 66G or downgrade to 6.42.11

SpanMG · Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:51 pm

Maybe check 66G or downgrade to 6.42.11

To be honest, I thought about it, and at the time of writing the post I translated it for 66000 so far. We'll see / observe

Bergante · Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Now we project the heater for our alu dishes, alu dish will be always warm <15 degree I think will be 24V, on the back will be waterproof gland with LAN port like in alu dishes Gen2

I've found out that a small amount of radioactivity is more effective. I am testing by fixing a piece of Tungsten-Thorium welding electrode. The beta particles emitted by the decay from Ra-228 to Ac-228 seem to help repel the water molecules from sticking to the surface.

Stril · Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:09 pm

Hi!

I just installed the Alu-dish+ABS-cover (that DJVolt offers) on one side of my LHG-Link.

RSSI seems to be a bit lower with Alu than with LHG-dish (+3dB) on my first test

 /interface w60g monitor 0
             connected: yes
             frequency: 64800
        remote-address: 24:18:1D:63:62:56
                tx-mcs: 8
           tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
                signal: 85
                  rssi: -53
             tx-sector: 36
        tx-sector-info: center
              distance: 395.18m
  tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

--> seems to be ok (minimal more loss, but better protection against snow)

Some things about the Alu-Dish+ABS-cover:
- Alu-dish is very flexibel. When you adjust the screws, it bends.
- ABS-cover is not very precise. I hat to make the holes bigger to be able to use all screws.

Edit: One strange thing:
"Original" LHG works best with 64800 MHz in my setup - With Alu-dish, it is best without beam-forming and with a lower frequency!

djvolt · Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:27 pm

I confirm, please off beamforming in newer versions or use 6.42.11 with smaller tx-power on that distances.

Up to 1000 meters 58GHz, up to 1500 meters 64800.

Stril · Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:09 am

Update for ALU vs LHG dish:

The ALU dish has a strange behaviour: RSSI is good, Signal ist good, but MCS is unstable!

With LHG-dish, i see a stable MCS of 8 (PHY Rate: 2.3 Gbps). With the upgrade-kit, MCS goes up and down from 4 to 8.

Do you have any other idea, to make the LHG "snow-proof"?

komenski · Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:16 am

I think it's highest time for Mikrotik to properly illuminate some essential features of his 60 GHz products. To date, we do not know the LHG and WAP60g exact radiation characteristics (even in frequency dependence), which is at least unusual and suggests that radiative patterns will not be so nice, but they should not be secret to users.
Further, I believe that this device would necessarily needed mode "align" which are temporarily turned off all functions counterproductive when setting up the connection (beamforming-center or off, constant TX power, MCS, etc ..). Many of the problems mentioned here are directly related to the incorrect setting of both sides of the link and consequent frustration by degraded climatic conditions (I do not think snow).

djvolt · Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:39 am

Update for ALU vs LHG dish:

The ALU dish has a strange behaviour: RSSI is good, Signal ist good, but MCS is unstable!

With LHG-dish, i see a stable MCS of 8 (PHY Rate: 2.3 Gbps). With the upgrade-kit, MCS goes up and down from 4 to 8.

Do you have any other idea, to make the LHG "snow-proof"?

This is only 400meters, the power is to strange with alu dishes, without limit the power this link I think will be unstable. Please set beamforming to 36, if doesnt help please downgrade to last stable version like 6.42.11 and set tx-power to 5

Original LHG is designed up to 600-800meters that should be still connected while weather conditions are bad...

For Mikrotik: please add option in software where we can set tx-power, MCS and set beamforming...

Its time to do all, because all used waps as sectors and lhg as stations, but it doesnt works properly...

SpanMG · Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:11 pm

Friends, go today, put the antennas on again, until they received such signals.

But noticed a strange behavior of the antennas. When hovering in the second antenna, the first one may fall off, although the signal on it is normal, this happens at that very moment when we aim the second antenna.

Such a feeling that there is some synchronization in the WAP.

	[admin@client1] > int w60g monitor wlan60-1 
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -62
tx-sector: 29
tx-sector-info: right 0.6 degrees, down 0.2 degrees
distance: 359.63m



[admin@client2] > interface w60g monitor wlan60-1 
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -63
tx-sector: 21
tx-sector-info: right 0.6 degrees, down 0.6 degrees
distance: 540.6m

SpanMG · Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:13 pm

I think it's highest time for Mikrotik to properly illuminate some essential features of his 60 GHz products. To date, we do not know the LHG and WAP60g exact radiation characteristics (even in frequency dependence), which is at least unusual and suggests that radiative patterns will not be so nice, but they should not be secret to users.
Further, I believe that this device would necessarily needed mode "align" which are temporarily turned off all functions counterproductive when setting up the connection (beamforming-center or off, constant TX power, MCS, etc ..). Many of the problems mentioned here are directly related to the incorrect setting of both sides of the link and consequent frustration by degraded climatic conditions (I do not think snow).

I fully support your opinion.

Stril · Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Mikrotik has such a GREAT product with the LHG60G, but details are just too "cheap".

A "LHG-60G-PRO" with weather-proof, professional layout and better align-feature would open the doors to new customers for mikrotik. For short links, LHG-60G-PRO could be as good or better than UBNT AirFiber, etc.

bastys · Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:28 pm

Mikrotik has such a GREAT product with the LHG60G, but details are just too "cheap".

A "LHG-60G-PRO" with weather-proof, professional layout and better align-feature would open the doors to new customers for mikrotik. For short links, LHG-60G-PRO could be as good or better than UBNT AirFiber, etc.

I agree in everything.

lashguti · Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:34 pm

and where is LHG 60G PRO? do you have specs, photos, diagrams, something?

autostoper76 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:23 pm

NEW test, all frequency
ALU400 works very BADly !!!

djvolt · Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:40 pm

Second is perfect on 64800. Puts full duplex 1/1G.

What would you like to get more on 400mm dishes without set correctly tx-power, MCS and tx-sector beamforming? Nothing else without this parameters.

You can only set tx-sector beamforming to 36 if you have Auto mode...

Some info:
SIde A is slightly badly aligned, but connection is very stable
connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AE:C8:11
tx-mcs: 2
tx-phy-rate: 770.0Mbps
signal: 65
rssi: -63
tx-sector: 63
tx-sector-info: right 1.4 degrees, up 1.4 degrees
distance: 2101.63m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

connected: yes
frequency: 64800
remote-address: 04:D6:AA:AE:C8:11
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -61
tx-sector: 63
tx-sector-info: right 1.4 degrees, up 1.4 degrees
distance: 2101.63m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

If you have a time please downgrade to 6.42.11 and test again with adjusting tx-power

komenski · Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:52 am

Explanation is the only one - LHG60g feed overradiates its parabolic antenna by most of frequencies. Probably the influence of the shape of the LHG60g cooler, which acts as the mouth of the waveguide - is to be modified for collar dishes.
In any case, must be set to a fixed tx-sector close to the center (27,28,35,36), auto-beamforming works counterproductive.

Stril · Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:08 am

Hi!

There are just too many variables and modifying the hardware makes it any harder...

I have a 400m link. With lower frequencies, RSSI ist better than with high frequencies, BUT: MCS is unstable!

58GHz: RSSI=48, MCS is going up and down (on stable weather conditions)
64GHZ: RSSI=54, MCS stable on "8"

BUT: that happens with ALU-dish and LHG...

Perhaps, its a better idea to only add a cover and not to change the dish...

blue · Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:28 am

...
Perhaps, its a better idea to only add a cover and not to change the dish...

Stril I's with You. I's waiting for JH-LHG from Jirous.
http://en.jirous.com/Accessories-complements/jh_lhg

SpanMG · Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:50 am

Tell me, what is the best firmware for these devices at the moment, judging by the posts, are advised to use beta 6.42.11

blue · Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:52 am

I'm using 6.44beta40 and it's working great. Nothing new in the latest beta61...

djvolt · Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:10 pm

Hi!

There are just too many variables and modifying the hardware makes it any harder...

I have a 400m link. With lower frequencies, RSSI ist better than with high frequencies, BUT: MCS is unstable!

58GHz: RSSI=48, MCS is going up and down (on stable weather conditions)
64GHZ: RSSI=54, MCS stable on "8"

BUT: that happens with ALU-dish and LHG...

Perhaps, its a better idea to only add a cover and not to change the dish...

To short link for ALU

No TX-POWER control... While will be available change this and set properly tx-sector and MCS the link will be extremely stable...

BUT:

WhatsApp Image 2019-01-18 at 11.33.05.jpeg

Effect
effect of lack of power control, tx-sector and mcs together, but the link is extra stable...

Bose33 · Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:23 pm

What are the commands to set 66000 and add 66000 in the scan list on the client and AP sides?
Still need these Chris?

Mikrotik 60Ghz CLI commands
STA
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000

AP
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency=66000

With 6.44 beta61

I can not set on STA the frequency list

What is wrong ?

jan/20/2019 15:06:59 system,error,critical login failure for user admin from 192.168.2.4
9 via web
[admin@MikroTik] > /interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-List=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000
expected end of command (line 1 column 30)
[admin@MikroTik] >

Regards Frank from Germany

mrmuu · Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:07 am

hy everyone,

we use a 60 GHz link in 387m (signal :95, rssi: -54, tx-phy-rate:2,3 Gbps) , it works great, but i do not find how to see "link downs" in dude. I can see a lot of things with snmp, only this parameter i not find.
Have anyone an oid code for this, or just tell me where can i print it out in terminal. Yes i know i can see it in winbox, but it would be great that i do not need always to log in after a heavy rain to see it.
thanks

SpanMG · Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:09 am

Hello again!
Over the weekend, the linkage fell, this time he recovered himself, but the breaks are quite significant 10 minutes to 40 minutes.

djvolt · Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:54 am

On 400 meters? Its impossible or the new firmware is completely broken...

We use 6.42.11 and is extremely stable, also in this version is 66GHz available.

As Strill said I confirm, that alu dishes are stable without beamforming, tx-sector on 35 or 36 mean perfect "center" with proper alignment. No MCS falling, always show 8 and signal 80 on 2100meters.

brasileottanta · Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:34 pm

Hello guys ,

Any news about different channel width like 1Ghz , 500Mhz and so ?

Thk

brasileottanta

lashguti · Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:08 pm

+1 for channel sizes

100mhz or 200mhz steps will be better, at least 500mhz steps. not all need 1gb in ptp and in PTMP ( 8 online ) for sure

vladimirslk · Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:11 pm

For all those who struggle these days with devices being snowed up - available solution of radome covering for harsh meteo conditions:

https://www.wifihw.cz/default.asp?cls=s ... ng&lngid=1

thats veeery good. seems that now somehow option for winter is available.

by the way, my thoughts WHY it accumulates snow. In order to accumulate ice - surface need to be cooled to LOWER temperature than abient static, then if we have humidity and a bit warming, we get ice on it. How to cool surface? easy - WIND, which blows through antenna cells. (: greetings from aerospace engineer

to simplify for who did not got about what it is written, imagine your deep cool fridge and result of the different in temperature you see inside the fridge box.

THEORETICALLY, if antenna to seal with PLASTIC bag from the back side, it should accumulate much less ice/snow

djvolt · Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:13 am

But this is also only plastic, expensive plastic

Mikrotik should provide such cover for free: P

autostoper76 · Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:18 am

But this is also only plastic, expensive plastic Mikrotik should provide such cover for free: P

+1

autostoper76 · Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:21 am

+1 for channel sizes

100mhz or 200mhz steps will be better, at least 500mhz steps. not all need 1gb in ptp and in PTMP ( 8 online ) for sure

+1
Hi Mikrotik, is it possible? channel sizes 500 MHz

server8 · Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:19 pm

+1 for channel sizes

100mhz or 200mhz steps will be better, at least 500mhz steps. not all need 1gb in ptp and in PTMP ( 8 online ) for sure
+1
Hi Mikrotik, is it possible? channel sizes 500 MHz

But the regulatory allows it?

aisme · Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:55 am

I finally received the Mikrotik Solidmount precision bases and for those wondering they are very well made indeed. They allow for precision movement in both X and Y axis. I wish they were included in the original package instead of their normal one. I have not used any of the 3rd party ones so I have no way of comparing them but for their purpose they are more than good enough.

aisme · Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:03 am

When installing the LHG60 dishes I used Ubiquiti TouchCable terminated with Ubiquiti ToughConnectors and using the Ubiquiti surge arrestors. As per instructions this requires a short cable to connect the LHG60 to the surge arrestor. Then the surge arrestor connected to the long run of toughcable and close to source another surge arrestor and another short cable from the surge arrestor to the network switch. Field termination of the toughcable is a royal pain and I would like to minimise it at just the long cable run. Does any body know of a good source of outdoor rated, S/FTP, solid core, patch cords to use?

I've found a company in the US selling toughcable based patch cords terminated with toughconnectors but I am searcing something in Europe and it does not have to be made with Ubiquiti cable as long as the cable use includes a proper drain wire and not just the foil wrap.

Any information highly appreciated.

mistry7 · Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:01 am

When installing the LHG60 dishes I used Ubiquiti TouchCable terminated with Ubiquiti ToughConnectors and using the Ubiquiti surge arrestors. As per instructions this requires a short cable to connect the LHG60 to the surge arrestor. Then the surge arrestor connected to the long run of toughcable and close to source another surge arrestor and another short cable from the surge arrestor to the network switch. Field termination of the toughcable is a royal pain and I would like to minimise it at just the long cable run. Does any body know of a good source of outdoor rated, S/FTP, solid core, patch cords to use?

I've found a company in the US selling toughcable based patch cords terminated with toughconnectors but I am searcing something in Europe and it does not have to be made with Ubiquiti cable as long as the cable use includes a proper drain wire and not just the foil wrap.

Any information highly appreciated.

Try these

https://www.intos.de/produktuebersicht/ ... =aqt5yEJK1

Steveocee · Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:36 pm

Finally got my link up! 64Ghz wasn't cutting it but when I've tried out 66Ghz we now have a link. There is still some more panning that needs to be done, still not quite the 4Km touted recently.

66g1.JPG

autostoper76 · Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:10 pm

the answer to the big DISH for LHG 60 GHz

we decided not make larger dish for LHG 60. Because it brings high investment and we don't expect to much profit.
The gain could be theoretical aprox. 4 dB higher, but practical will be only 2 - 2,5 dB because of inaccuracy.
Second reason is: we are not able to got CE certification for that product.

I am sorry.

aisme · Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:23 am

Hi

Is the align mode available on the latest stable version or only on the dev/testing versions?

Is this the correct syntax?
/interface w60g align wlan60-1

Because it does not work for me.

Also to do "proper" alignment, do I have to set tx-sector to 36 and beamforming off or is it done anyway by itself with the align mode?

Please forgive my ignorance but is there an official documentation describing the correct procedure properly or we just have to rely on each other's experiences and findings.

Thanks

osalom · Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:41 pm

Hi Miktotik.

It it possible to link several LHG 60 with a MetroLinq 2.5G 60 Beamforming Sector? I believe your AP is great, but I can connect only 8 CPE's to each one.

djvolt · Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:26 pm

No way man, different vendors

osalom · Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:03 pm

No way man, different vendors

But both use IEEE 802.11 ad standard correct?

server8 · Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:10 am

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?

djvolt · Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:12 pm

I think yes, 3db wAP60G and 8db LHG60...

autostoper76 · Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:53 pm

Does anyone use ALU400 DISH fpr LHG60 ?

please REAL INFO, print SCR ...

gemb · Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:31 pm

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?

SXTsq60 - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi,(depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 363mW / 25,6dBm
WAP60G - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi (depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 147mW / 21,67dBm
LHG60Lite - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 3mW / 4,77dBm
LHG60G - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 17mW / 12,3dBm

mistry7 · Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:22 pm

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?
SXTsq60 - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi,(depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 363mW / 25,6dBm
WAP60G - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi (depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 147mW / 21,67dBm
LHG60Lite - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 3mW / 4,77dBm
LHG60G - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 17mW / 12,3dBm

How did you get this Informations?

server8 · Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:58 am

Thank you Gemb

autostoper76 · Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 am

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?
SXTsq60 - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi,(depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 363mW / 25,6dBm
WAP60G - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi (depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 147mW / 21,67dBm
LHG60Lite - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 3mW / 4,77dBm
LHG60G - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 17mW / 12,3dBm

WAP60G and LHG60G use the same Electronics, the same PCB, all the same.

if we put PCBA from WAP60G to LHG60G

we will get a range more 6000m
WAP60G TX = 21.67dB+ LHG DISH 42dB = 63.67dB WOW !!!

server8 · Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:34 am

Is the PCB or is the antenna that manage power?

blingblouw · Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:10 pm

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?
SXTsq60 - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi,(depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 363mW / 25,6dBm
WAP60G - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi (depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 147mW / 21,67dBm
LHG60Lite - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 3mW / 4,77dBm
LHG60G - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 17mW / 12,3dBm
WAP60G and LHG60G use the same Electronics, the same PCB, all the same.

if we put PCBA from WAP60G to LHG60G

we will get a range more 6000m
WAP60G TX = 21.67dB+ LHG DISH 42dB = 63.67dB WOW !!!

Sure. But it's been said multiple times my mikrotik that these devices are calibrated. So will it work?

Try it and let us know

gemb · Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Its not a big secret, everything u need to know is on internet https://fccid.io/ There are pictures from internal parts.too.
Putting pcb from wap to lhg60 wil not work properly because there are different tx-sector patterns on lhg and on wap. LHG sectors are from 1.4 for each side. For up/down is the same. But wap uses patterns from 22 degres on each side so i think it will not perform properly. It may works only with fixed tx-sector in the center. Also this modification will exceed EIRP limit for 60GHz band, thats why LHG60G has tx power "only" about 12dBm.

djvolt · Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:29 pm

Hi All

I have a question there is an hardware power tx difference from WAP60G and LHG60G?
SXTsq60 - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi,(depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 363mW / 25,6dBm
WAP60G - antenna gain 10-13,5dBi (depending on channel, lowest gain is on 62GHz), tx power max 147mW / 21,67dBm
LHG60Lite - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 3mW / 4,77dBm
LHG60G - antenna gain 42dBi, tx power max 17mW / 12,3dBm
WAP60G and LHG60G use the same Electronics, the same PCB, all the same.

if we put PCBA from WAP60G to LHG60G

we will get a range more 6000m
WAP60G TX = 21.67dB+ LHG DISH 42dB = 63.67dB WOW !!!

Sure. But it's been said multiple times my mikrotik that these devices are calibrated. So will it work?

Try it and let us know

Doesnt works, max 1521 meters on ros 6.42.1, we had this link on two waps and two alu dishes... LHG60 is much better. If we get beamforming calibration with tx-power settinga we do this after that...In this time, no way man to use it > 1500m

Theory is theory, practic is practic

blue · Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:17 pm

Does anyone use ALU400 DISH fpr LHG60 ?

please REAL INFO, print SCR ...

Did anyone else besides autostoper and djvolt himself tried those alu dishes? Autostoper is having problems with them, and djvolt is telling him that everything should work. Please we need more info from other people. Djvolt, You should have info from Your customers, so please ask them if they can confirm that Your equipment is working. But please, only genuine customers - not some bots.

BR...

djvolt · Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:41 pm

All links works stable in heavy snow in Poland, our customers have 400mm and 600mm alu dishes. They use ros 6.42.11, 6.43.8 is not stable...

WebItG · Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:56 am

Hi
What version can I use frequency 66000
i try
6.42.11
6.42.5
6.43
6.43.8
6.44.beta 61
can not use frequency 66000
/interface w60g
set 0 frequency=66000

Any way to change the channel width

djvolt · Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:00 am

6.42.11 - stable
STATION
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000
AP
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency=66000

WebItG · Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:26 am

6.42.11 - stable
STATION
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000
AP
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency=66000

thank you for replay

when test it
it put frequency=auto
and no connection ??

what you think about it

autostoper76 · Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:38 am

https://fccid.io/TV7LHG60AD

tx only 3dB ??

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:31 pm

All links works stable in heavy snow in Poland, our customers have 400mm and 600mm alu dishes. They use ros 6.42.11, 6.43.8 is not stable...

what exactly is not stable?

thank you for replay

when test it
it put frequency=auto
and no connection ??

what you think about it

"auto" does not include 66000MHz

WebItG · Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:37 pm

All links works stable in heavy snow in Poland, our customers have 400mm and 600mm alu dishes. They use ros 6.42.11, 6.43.8 is not stable...
what exactly is not stable?
thank you for replay

when test it
it put frequency=auto
and no connection ??

what you think about it
"auto" does not include 66000MHz

hello .....thank's for replay
AP it is okey i can see 66000 in print state
name="wlan60-1" mtu=1500 l2mtu=1600 mac-address=**:**:**:**:**:** arp=enabled arp-timeout=auto mode=bridge
ssid="*******" frequency=66000 default-scan-list=58320,60480,62640,64800 password="*****"
tx-sector=auto put-stations-in-bridge=none isolate-stations=yes
but Station
i used
/interface w60g set wlan60-1 frequency-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000
i get
expected end of command (line 1 column 30)
station can not see 66000

how can fixed it

djvolt · Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:05 pm

All links works stable in heavy snow in Poland, our customers have 400mm and 600mm alu dishes. They use ros 6.42.11, 6.43.8 is not stable...
what exactly is not stable?

beamforming during heavy snowfall on auto mode. after reboot once it is rssi -51, once it is -65, and yet there is -70

Is possible to get option static MCS and set tx-power with set static beamforming? So will be 3 options to set...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 am

how can fixed it

frequency-list was renamed to scan-list in one of beta releases.

amt · Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:54 am

Hello Guys,
here is short distance link and have small problems like disconnection, distance is 200meters here is result;
AP Side;
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: XX
tx-mcs: 6
tx-phy-rate: 1540.0Mbps
signal: 60
rssi: -48
tx-sector: 40
tx-sector-info: left 1.4 degrees, up 0.6 degrees
distance: 200.81m
tx-packet-error-rate: 13%

Client Side;
connected: yes
frequency: 60480
remote-address: XX
tx-mcs: 8
tx-phy-rate: 2.3Gbps
signal: 80
rssi: -49
tx-sector: 45
tx-sector-info: right 0.6 degrees, up 0.6 degrees
distance: 200.81m
tx-packet-error-rate: 0%

we try alignment many times but this is best, why rssi not below -49... whats your suggestions for this distance ?

djvolt · Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:50 am

Maybe try 64800

Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:11 pm

we try alignment many times but this is best, why rssi not below -49... whats your suggestions for this distance ?

Signal is fine. is this PtP or PtMP setup? Is latest version used on both sides? Are devices mounted on fixed / stable pole?

amt · Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:58 pm

Signal is fine. is this PtP or PtMP setup? Is latest version used on both sides? Are devices mounted on fixed / stable pole?

hello antonsb,
its ptp and yes using lastest version on both sides but beta, mounted with stable pole with solid mount.

for 200 meters signal is not good for me, I was waiting better signal before install them

I have another installed ptp link on 910meters and rssi: -51 and signal is -80

amt · Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:02 pm

Maybe try 64800

thnx djvolt, now I'm going to test it also, distance was not so far that's why I could not think change frequency

I believe that for long distance high frequency needed on 60GHz

solelunauno · Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:37 pm

I planned to use a lot of 60GHz devices, in point to multipoint setting, in short range wireless surveillance.
For this implementation I always use 12V battery backup power supply, so the voltage is typically 13,6V (mains present, battery full), but it could drop until 10V, in case of complete battery discharge (the ups system disconnects battery when it reaches 10V).
Of course the ethernet cable is very short in this application, max 5m of lenght.
So, as Mikrotik states a 12-57 V supply range for those devices (instead of tipical 10-30V), It seems that you give no tollerance in a 12V environnement, right?
But I made some tests, and I noticed that an LHG 60G will start with a minimum of 10,5V and will remain running until 8V, and it can also be rebooted (via winbox) @ 9V with success.
So, can I simple accept that the tolerance I noticed is useful?
Can I go on with my application?
Thanks

osalom · Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:55 pm

LHG60.png

server8 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:34 pm

osalom have you tried the 66 GHz channel?

osalom · Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:22 am

osalom have you tried the 66 GHz channel?

No, I didn't find the option for that frequency. I've heard it is a good option for long distance links. Will 66000 be better in rain?

server8 · Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:58 pm

You have to set it from the terminal

client:
/int w60g set scan-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000 0

AP.
/int w60g set frequency=66000 0

osalom · Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:27 pm

You have to set it from the terminal

client:
/int w60g set scan-list=58320,60480,62640,64800,66000 0

AP.
/int w60g set frequency=66000 0

Thanks. I will try different frequencies during rainy season. Lets see what frequencies hold better then.

SpanMG · Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:44 pm

Tell me how is the adjustment in the latest firmware, as well as in the beta version, or the signal also has a strong delay?

SpanMG · Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:20 am

In short, I realized that the stable version is not very stable and good either.
First, it is not convenient to adjust on it, since strong signal delay.
Secondly, according to my observations, the link falls more often than on the beta version.

Maybe my observations are wrong.

mkx · Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:44 am

In short, I realized that the stable version is not very stable and good either.

Stable version is stable for most (older) RB devices. It is also stable for LHG 60G, but unfortunately that means "poorly performing" ... due to the fact that 60G products are new and current stable ROS version is only initial version with support for these devices. Development of new features (and major improvement of existing features) is done in beta series and thus it's expected to see best performance using those ROS versions.

Stable has actually two meanings when it comes to ROS:

Functionality in certain version series is stable: no new functions get introduced, obsolete functions don't get removed, ... only certain functions get bug-fixed or improved (some might argue that they also get "improved")
devices are running stable ... without and service degradations and/or disruptions. This is mostly affected by lack of bugs and feature changes. Sometimes stable performance and maximum performance can not be achieved at the same time and some parameters have to be tuned for high performance without sacrificing stability. Which is often a try-and-fail process which clearly can not be done in stable release code path, only in testing/beta.

The point #2 obviously is not the case when it comes to new product where development of features is still very much active. And performance of certain functions still needs to be fine-tuned and bugs eradicated.

wispwest · Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:35 am

So.... whats the LHG60 PTP distance record so far? I just put one in today that is 1.6 miles! I won't know until springtime how much rain will fade it. It's for a small micropop site we have that will have a 5Ghz UBNT AC fail-over. If this works, I'd like to install several WAP60G AP's to get 1Gb services to the neighborhood, and deploy at other sites.

So far, 2.3Gb capacity and 80 signal, 2521m.

Also it is SNOWING here HEAVY right now, doesn't seem to effect signal by even the slightest.

Anyone have any OID's I can create probes in the dude so I can now graph the PHY rate, RSSI, etc.?

komenski · Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:37 am

how can fixed it
frequency-list was renamed to scan-list in one of beta releases.

The question is why it has been renamed and why you will not allow - instead of renaming only - experienced users to set up TX power, MCS, etc manually. You do not like experienced users ?? But that would mean something serious ...

komenski · Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:49 am

So.... whats the LHG60 PTP distance record so far? I just put one in today that is 1.6 miles! I won't know until springtime how much rain will fade it. It's for a small micropop site we have that will have a 5Ghz UBNT AC fail-over. If this works, I'd like to install several WAP60G AP's to get 1Gb services to the neighborhood, and deploy at other sites.

So far, 2.3Gb capacity and 80 signal, 2521m.

Also it is SNOWING here HEAVY right now, doesn't seem to effect signal by even the slightest.

Anyone have any OID's I can create probes in the dude so I can now graph the PHY rate, RSSI, etc.?

Thanks for sharing winbox data, show the other side of the link please. Finally, somebody understood that the LHG60 parabolic beam had a harsh beam pattern, and for longer distances it had to slash up to one degree from the axis. In this situation, no automation is able to set the link to a maximum of 1.5km or more, but the installer should know the correct TX-sector (not the center). Mikrotik, please finally post the LHG60 emission diagrams, please!

mistry7 · Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:53 am

should know the correct TX-sector (not the center). Mikrotik, please finally post the LHG60 emission diagrams, please!

+1

aisme · Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:23 pm

Hi,

I have 4 different links using wAP60 for one of them and three links with LHG60 devices. I am using 6.43.8 on all of them and all links are stable with good performance even during rain (we do not get very heavy rains) there was no noticeable performance degradation and neither did the status of the devices show anything different. I have not used the align mode because it is not available on the 6.43.8 and I have only "aligned" them by eye, although I did use SolidMounts. However, I have noticed a strange pattern. On all of the links the master side shows Signal: 95 and all the slaves sides show Signal: 80.

Is it possible to bring the slave side to Signal: 95 as well or should I just ignore it? Is there a point to try to align them even better by using the beta version and align mode or for theses distances my results are good enough?

Also, another strange thing with the wAP60. The two devices are 37m apart. Across the road basically. Perfect line of sight. The devices show tx-sector-info: center on both and RSSI -49 on the Master but -60 on the Slave. How is this possible for such close distance?

Any thoughts or advice highly appreciated

I am attaching the screenshots from the terminals below:

komenski · Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:42 pm

Reboot all devices and you will see another values.. strange but result of special auto mode built in...

aisme · Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Thank you komenski. You are right. It was confirmed by Mikrotik support. The reply I got was

"currently signal stats may not update due to previously fixed stability issues.
Stats will only update in case of beamforming event - we will fix this inupcoming versions."

Do you get the same on the beta version or is it fixed there?

komenski · Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 pm

Not fixed yet in beta. Statistics work as a roulette. After turning on the device, it will test all possible TX-sector variants, TX-power, MCS, etc., and stop in one of many possible variants. Criteria not known, known only by croupier ..

aisme · Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:30 am

So practically speaking the stats screenshots that every single person posted in here during dry weather, rain and snow are not reflecting reality and are therefore meaningless?

Does the situation change when using the align mode available in the beta version?

If alignment by led lights is basically not working and stats do not really reflect reality how is someone supposed to properly install and evaluate the petformance of their links?

Sporadic iperf throughput tests is not a really practical way to align or evaluate how weather affects a link.

I am puzzled

server8 · Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:20 pm

If you make the alignment using the align command you will find the best signal, beamforming makes some tests in the first 2-3 mins so it's normal that values changes but after the monitor command shows the right valus from >6.44RCbeta61

mtgd · Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:45 pm

Hi all,
any one could please help me, my lhg-60 can't establish any link see pict below, i have 6 unit of them and i have the same problem.

anav · Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:22 am

Perused every entry here, and I would surmize that this would not be a good solution for an installation (2km) where only one site can have a fixed permanent antenna (not used in winter) and the other end will have to be a temporary setup approx 4-5 times per year. In other words, it would have to be aligned by not professionals and not take to long to provide support connectivity for sporting events.
(probably need a generator as well for power at the temp site). Assuming fixed pole of some sort or wooden structure and then attach mount (nice MT one) and antenna and align.
Thoughts, not sold on 60GHz but thought it would be best, but if other solutions are solid!!!

solelunauno · Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:29 pm

I installed a system composed by one wAP 60G and 6 LHG 60G @ distance of 300-600m from the AP.
I noticed an instability on the wAP: if one station is moved or the signal drops, the wAP disconnects all other stations and it locks untill someone disables and enables the w60G interface.
Does anyone experienced the same behavior?

djvolt · Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:40 pm

Check Client Isolation

server8 · Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:51 pm

All latest firmwares 'd solve the disconnection issue

solelunauno · Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:33 pm

All latest firmwares 'd solve the disconnection issue

is it possible to update Ap and one station a time, via wireless link?

djvolt · Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:43 am

First do upgrade on Station, second on AP and will be ok

anav · Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:28 am

Has anyone compared these two mounts both by Mikrotik?
https://mikrotik.com/product/solidmount
and
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_files/quickMount ... 113333.pdf
The bottom model for LHG.

blue · Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:51 am

Has anyone compared these two mounts both by Mikrotik?
https://mikrotik.com/product/solidmount
and
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_files/quickMount ... 113333.pdf
The bottom model for LHG.

Solid mount is way way way better for 60G! I had a problem with quickmount when winter came. It was fastened during the summer, and in the winter couple of LHG's was pointing to the ground! Plastic shrink in winter, and screws got loose. Since I have solidmounts for 60G, I used it's mounts (now called and sold as LHG mount https://mikrotik.com/product/lhg_mount) to fix those loose LHG.

BR...

djvolt · Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 am

This is slightly better, because is more stable, two U-bolts and bigger flat surface... http://24.multimediahd.pl/en/60ghz/110- ... r-alu.html

blue · Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:07 pm

This is slightly better, because is more stable, two U-bolts and bigger flat surface... http://24.multimediahd.pl/en/60ghz/110- ... r-alu.html

SolidMount is great product and way cheaper then Your product. Also, me and other people are waiting info from Your customers about performance of You Alu dishes for LHG60. For now we only have unchecked info from You, and very bad info's from guys in forum...

anav · Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:06 pm

Much thanks Blue!
For the solid mount, or any of them, is there a graduated controlled click during turning in horizontal or vertical directions?
(or does one loosen bolts and move free form)?

Of course I am still also trying to get my head around how you get something one mile let alone 5 miles apart aimed close enough in the first place to think about refining?
For example, is there target material you can put at an expected location (for pointing a laser at for instance).
Then attach laser somehow (parallel to beam of antenna) and aim it at target sight??

blue · Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:18 pm

There are no click. Use wrench 10mm and finetune it. Than fasten all fixing bolts and that's it. I never used laser for pointing. Years of experience and google earth helped me to point antenna in desired direction. But since LHG60 is only 1 degree You absolutely have to use solidmount on greater distance...

blue · Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:07 pm

60GHz - 4330 meters - my experience

First of all, if You don't want to read my whole post, conclusion is don't do it - maximum reliable is 3000 meters.

Finally we had some sunny and warm days in Serbia. So I reserved whole weekend for 60G links. First of all, You need a lot of patience. When this long link got disconnected for more than couple of minutes it takes anywhere from 30min to more than 2 hours to get back online! I don't know why? Reboot, unplug/plug din't give any results.

We combined LHG60 with SolidMount, and that is a MUST on any 60G link that is 1000m+.

When You adjust the link use bandwith test between two devices. It is powerfull enough to let UDP trafic spread it's wings. TCP got stuck arround 500Mbit with 100%CPU.

Don't look at the "rssi". You only need MCS (max is

, SIGNAL (100 is ideal so I assume that is in %), and try to get TX-SECTOR to center. Also Error rate is crucial!

Don't use "align" since it disconnect link more often. Use only "monitor" tool.

One person should be at the antenna and another should look at the notebook. First get 60G link to any working order with eye sight. I know that it could be difficult for someone, but LHG60 have mesh grid and it is see-through. Then You need wrench 10mm to finetune solidmount. It takes half of the turn to lose signal. So it should be fastened to maximum allowed to turn the wrench.

And then start to play. Don't be afraid to try different things and positions. Most annoying is when You got disconnected for more than a minute! Than it takes forever to get connected again. It is not a matter of misalignment at all since once we got disconnected for 2 hours and after that link got connected and we had MCS 7 and Signal 80. Bandwith test was 900Mbit.

Next day it got very windy, and link got worse. I was thinking what is somehow moved, but after wind has stopped link got OK again. Also rain is killing this link, but 2950 meter link is holding OK in wind/rain.

Now winter came back in Serbia for a few days, and on first warm day I will take down this 4,3km link since it is useless on that distance.

BR to all and good luck (You will need it - at least until Ubnt start to sell 60GHz)

aisme · Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:24 am

Hi,

Earlier today a network loop was introduced in our internal network. While investigating the source of the loop we disconnected the 4 links with other buildings that we have using LHG60s and a link with wAP60. While rebooting one of the LHG60 links the devices never really came back.

I thought it had to do with the network loop and did not pay attention. When the loop was discovered and elliminated (someone connected two adjacent network sockets by mistake) all links and devices came immediately back and I could access their interface except from a specific link.

When I try to ping their IP I get a couple of pings and then maybe 10-15 requests timed out and the same things repeats. At the beginning I thought that maybe one of the antennas has died but the strange thing is that BOTH master and slave behave the same way.

Even when pinging the devices from their respective side the same thing happens which leads me to suspect that something else is the underlying cause.

When checking the LED lights on the devices the pattern is equally strange. Upon rebooting the power LED switches on and then the ethernet LED switches on and blinks as expected however as soon as the wireless link is apparently established and the wifi LED is on then the ethernet LED starts blinking really slow instead of the typical fast rate blinking when traffic is going through.

Any suggestions? Or should I RMA them and replace them? I bought these like 6 weeks ago.

rkau045 · Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:58 am

Cycling timeouts like this are usually caused by STP blocking and reenabling forwarding on a port in my experience.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

djvolt · Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:14 pm

This is slightly better, because is more stable, two U-bolts and bigger flat surface... http://24.multimediahd.pl/en/60ghz/110- ... r-alu.html
SolidMount is great product and way cheaper then Your product. Also, me and other people are waiting info from Your customers about performance of You Alu dishes for LHG60. For now we only have unchecked info from You, and very bad info's from guys in forum...

Buy and try itself like other products

Confirmation from other:
https://ispforum.cz/viewtopic.php?p=250027#p250027

pikpik · Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 pm

Guys, which devices are best for PtMP ?

2mailwelkom · Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:50 pm

Awesome product took me a lot off time to get this stable

djvolt · Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:23 pm

wAP60G + LHG60 up to 500 meters

server8 · Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:37 pm

@mikrotik Is it finally possible to know if the chipset allows narrower channel widths (like 1000 MHz or 500 MHz) and if the next future we 'll see this options?

fox76 · Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:30 pm

Does anyone use ALU 600?
Please
Print Screen

http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/upgrade-s/ ... -kit-.html

blue · Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:17 pm

Does anyone use ALU 600?
Please
Print Screen

http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/upgrade-s/ ... -kit-.html

autostoper76 is using those and he is not happy

Untill now, we don;t have any proof that those devices are working OK. Just words - no pictures/viideos

fox76 · Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:49 pm

Does anyone use ALU 600?
Please
Print Screen

http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/upgrade-s/ ... -kit-.html

Does anyone use ALU 400?

nimbo78 · Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:15 pm

2MikroTik
guys, plz add debug logging for w60 wireless like "wireless" for 802.11ac\n\g\b\a wifi

anav · Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:26 pm

Hi,

Earlier today a network loop was introduced in our internal network. While investigating the source of the loop we disconnected the 4 links with other buildings that we have using LHG60s and a link with wAP60. While rebooting one of the LHG60 links the devices never really came back.

I thought it had to do with the network loop and did not pay attention. When the loop was discovered and elliminated (someone connected two adjacent network sockets by mistake) all links and devices came immediately back and I could access their interface except from a specific link.

When I try to ping their IP I get a couple of pings and then maybe 10-15 requests timed out and the same things repeats. At the beginning I thought that maybe one of the antennas has died but the strange thing is that BOTH master and slave behave the same way.

Even when pinging the devices from their respective side the same thing happens which leads me to suspect that something else is the underlying cause.

When checking the LED lights on the devices the pattern is equally strange. Upon rebooting the power LED switches on and then the ethernet LED switches on and blinks as expected however as soon as the wireless link is apparently established and the wifi LED is on then the ethernet LED starts blinking really slow instead of the typical fast rate blinking when traffic is going through.

Any suggestions? Or should I RMA them and replace them? I bought these like 6 weeks ago.

........
While you are at, suggest you use trained staff or create a checklist for plugging stuff in.......... or was this sabotage??

server8 · Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:41 pm

Bad news for mikrotik

60ghz.png

mistry7 · Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:54 pm

Bad news for mikrotik
60ghz.png

Yes and they do it right from the beginning, integrated 5 GHz Backup....
And Mikrotik engeneers are sleeping....

WebItG · Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:04 pm

Bad news for mikrotik
60ghz.png

please original link ???

mistry7 · Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:12 pm

Bad news for mikrotik
60ghz.png
please original link ???

This is early access shop, you need to be registered and allowed to see this

WebItG · Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:45 pm

Bad news for mikrotik
60ghz.png
please original link ???
This is early access shop, you need to be registered and allowed to see this

i am registered
but send URL

server8 · Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:46 pm

you have to be registered to early access https://store.ui.com/collections/early-access

Stril · Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:49 pm

Prior to thinking, these products will be better than the LHGs, just read the UB-forums and search for FCS-errors and corrupted packets...

Just added an LHG to take over the traffic of an AirFiber...

SpanMG · Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:59 am

Friends, help calculate the track and its reliability.
Going to do PTMP.
As the base I want to use Wap
The first client at a distance of 160 m. LHG
The second and third on the same building at a distance of 490 m. LHG

How much such a link will be reliable, whether there will be frequent problems with it. What signal do I expect from distant links?

aisme · Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:12 am

I am reporting some weird findings. The device is connected on an HP A5500 48port PoE+ switch worth 7,000+ euros. There are 3 other LHG60 on the same switch all working properly/normally. There are 35 VoIP phones on the same switch all working properly.

Even when switching off the PoE power from the switch port the antenna stays on! Or at least its LEDs are on.

It will only go off when disconnecting the ground cable!

The weird findings continue. When disconnecting the ground cable the problematic antenna comes back to life and the link works. When connecting back the ground cable it goes crazy again.

The same ground is used for all the other 4 LHG60s on that roof and the rest behave/work normally.

Should I use the ground or not? Is it better to use the Ubiquiti surge arrestors instead of the ground? Should I use both?

I had people check the earthing itself and it is fine.

I could not find documentation on the matter

Hi,

Earlier today a network loop was introduced in our internal network. While investigating the source of the loop we disconnected the 4 links with other buildings that we have using LHG60s and a link with wAP60. While rebooting one of the LHG60 links the devices never really came back.

I thought it had to do with the network loop and did not pay attention. When the loop was discovered and elliminated (someone connected two adjacent network sockets by mistake) all links and devices came immediately back and I could access their interface except from a specific link.

When I try to ping their IP I get a couple of pings and then maybe 10-15 requests timed out and the same things repeats. At the beginning I thought that maybe one of the antennas has died but the strange thing is that BOTH master and slave behave the same way.

Even when pinging the devices from their respective side the same thing happens which leads me to suspect that something else is the underlying cause.

When checking the LED lights on the devices the pattern is equally strange. Upon rebooting the power LED switches on and then the ethernet LED switches on and blinks as expected however as soon as the wireless link is apparently established and the wifi LED is on then the ethernet LED starts blinking really slow instead of the typical fast rate blinking when traffic is going through.

Any suggestions? Or should I RMA them and replace them? I bought these like 6 weeks ago.

mistry7 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:34 am

I am reporting some weird findings. The device is connected on an HP A5500 48port PoE+ switch worth 7,000+ euros. There are 3 other LHG60 on the same switch all working properly/normally. There are 35 VoIP phones on the same switch all working properly.

Even when switching off the PoE power from the switch port the antenna stays on! Or at least its LEDs are on.

It will only go off when disconnecting the ground cable!

The weird findings continue. When disconnecting the ground cable the problematic antenna comes back to life and the link works. When connecting back the ground cable it goes crazy again.

The same ground is used for all the other 4 LHG60s on that roof and the rest behave/work normally.

Should I use the ground or not? Is it better to use the Ubiquiti surge arrestors instead of the ground? Should I use both?

I had people check the earthing itself and it is fine.

I could not find documentation on the matter

Hi,

Earlier today a network loop was introduced in our internal network. While investigating the source of the loop we disconnected the 4 links with other buildings that we have using LHG60s and a link with wAP60. While rebooting one of the LHG60 links the devices never really came back.

I thought it had to do with the network loop and did not pay attention. When the loop was discovered and elliminated (someone connected two adjacent network sockets by mistake) all links and devices came immediately back and I could access their interface except from a specific link.

When I try to ping their IP I get a couple of pings and then maybe 10-15 requests timed out and the same things repeats. At the beginning I thought that maybe one of the antennas has died but the strange thing is that BOTH master and slave behave the same way.

Even when pinging the devices from their respective side the same thing happens which leads me to suspect that something else is the underlying cause.

When checking the LED lights on the devices the pattern is equally strange. Upon rebooting the power LED switches on and then the ethernet LED switches on and blinks as expected however as soon as the wireless link is apparently established and the wifi LED is on then the ethernet LED starts blinking really slow instead of the typical fast rate blinking when traffic is going through.

Any suggestions? Or should I RMA them and replace them? I bought these like 6 weeks ago.

This Device only needs 2-3w if this is RF Tower it could be induction to your cables, or different earth potential

server8 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:50 am

Mikrotik is wasting 18 months of advantage on 60 GHZ, is it possible to know if there is any hardware with 5 ghz backup in the close future?

mistry7 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:17 pm

Mikrotik is wasting 18 months of advantage on 60 GHZ, is it possible to know if there is any hardware with 5 ghz backup in the close future?

Why?
UBNT will deliver such product, and there would be an AP as well, so why ask them here thinks that they know from the beginning of there
60 GHz Productlinie.
Again, Mikrotik Wireless is dead end, they are sleeping!

server8 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:27 pm

Because is stupid don't put a 5 ghz feed in an hardware that has the pcb ready, I can't uderstand why this leak of 5 ghz backup.

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:30 pm

Mikrotik is wasting 18 months of advantage on 60 GHZ, is it possible to know if there is any hardware with 5 ghz backup in the close future?
Why?
UBNT will deliver such product, and there would be an AP as well, so why ask them here thinks that they now from the beginning of there
60 GHz Productlinie.
Again, Mikrotik Wireless is dead end, they are sleeping!

LHG60 is great and available (for a while now). It runs ROS which is way better than AirOS. So wrong thread to blame them sleeping. This new gear looks very small. So I guess gain is between WAP 60G and LHG60G. If you need 5GHz Backup use SXT or combine LHG60G with af5xhd using a powerbox pro.

server8 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:52 pm

LHG60 is great and available (for a while now). It runs ROS which is way better than AirOS. So wrong thread to blame them sleeping. This new gear looks very small. So I guess gain is between WAP 60G and LHG60G. If you need 5GHz Backup use SXT or combine LHG60G with af5xhd using a powerbox pro.

Client side is 3 times hardware and a lot of configuration.... for the backhauling is the double and the colocation on the tower is not for free

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:54 pm

LHG60 is great and available (for a while now). It runs ROS which is way better than AirOS. So wrong thread to blame them sleeping. This new gear looks very small. So I guess gain is between WAP 60G and LHG60G. If you need 5GHz Backup use SXT or combine LHG60G with af5xhd using a powerbox pro.
Client side is 3 times hardware and a lot of configuration.... for the backhauling is the double and the colocation on the tower is not for free

Doing backhaul + backup with one Antenna in one direction is not a good idea anyway.

server8 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:28 pm

Doing backhaul + backup with one Antenna in one direction is not a good idea anyway.

Mostly it's rain backup... OK I 'll wait for ubiquiti

Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:37 pm

Doing backhaul + backup with one Antenna in one direction is not a good idea anyway.
Mostly it's rain backup... OK I 'll wait for ubiquiti

May take a while ...

server8 · Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:33 pm

better late than never

r00t · Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:02 pm

On 60GHz WAP radio PCB, there is place for 5GHz radio chips, but it was never used. Mikrotik appears to be just sleeping, while competition is creeping closer and closer and may beat them at their own 60GHz game...
Hopefully this will be a wakeup call and we will see some new 60GHz gear soon. They must have known about Ubiquity releasing their 60GHz solution for some time.

Next months will tell us more.
- if we see new 60GHz radios with real new features and improvements, there is still hope MIkrotik R&D have been actually doing something for past months. Question is how long it will take to get new devices certified and released to the market
- if no new devices are announced or they just release minor updated version (let's make a dish metal and call it a day...) it's probably not very good sign. At that point all that Mikrotik can do is they can start lowering the prices of existing 60GHz gear when Ubiquity releases their 60GHz hardware, but that would mean they have nothing new and all they can do is to lower prices to stay in the game... not good.

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:12 pm

On 60GHz WAP radio PCB, there is place for 5GHz radio chips, but it was never used. Mikrotik appears to be just sleeping, while competition is creeping closer and closer and may beat them at their own 60GHz game...
Hopefully this will be a wakeup call and we will see some new 60GHz gear soon. They must have known about Ubiquity releasing their 60GHz solution for some time.

Next months will tell us more.
- if we see new 60GHz radios with real new features and improvements, there is still hope MIkrotik R&D have been actually doing something for past months. Question is how long it will take to get new devices certified and released to the market
- if no new devices are announced or they just release minor updated version (let's make a dish metal and call it a day...) it's probably not very good sign. At that point all that Mikrotik can do is they can start lowering the prices of existing 60GHz gear when Ubiquity releases their 60GHz hardware, but that would mean they have nothing new and all they can do is to lower prices to stay in the game... not good.

There is more stuff on the road. MT announced to do Terragraph. This is a 60GHz Mesh solution and I guess it will be 802.11ay.
https://terragraph.com.

r00t · Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:37 pm

While Terragraph sounds interesting, it certainly can't replace P2P links (whitepaper says range is about 250m, using small antennas).

Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:56 pm

While Terragraph sounds interesting, it certainly can't replace P2P links (whitepaper says range is about 250m, using small antennas).

The range will depend on the used antennas. PTP links will be part of the mesh. I hope different Vendors will be compatible as Radwin and Cambium has announced terragraph, too.

nobbie · Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:10 pm

Hej guys, I have 750m PTP link to do and three small 230V wires by the road between these two points. Is it ok to use LHG60 kit ? I don't need 1Gbps throughput, 300Mbps will be ok. What about rain and snow, I want to sleep well

djvolt · Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:19 pm

Does anyone use ALU 600?
Please
Print Screen

http://24.multimediahd.pl/pl/upgrade-s/ ... -kit-.html
autostoper76 is using those and he is not happy Untill now, we don;t have any proof that those devices are working OK. Just words - no pictures/viideos

NO NO NO, autostoper have 400mm, NOT 600mm and please DO NOT put people in the wrong place ok?....

aisme · Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:41 pm

This Device only needs 2-3w if this is RF Tower it could be induction to your cables, or different earth potential

I understand however this is just the roof of the building without any RF tower on it. All the cables going up to the roof are 35-40m Ubiquiti Touch cable. 4 LHG60s doing PTP links. All connected to the same ground. All working fine except this one