Hello MikroTik team,

I love the new WAP AC device. Finally 802.3af/at PoE, but still 802.11ac first generation ASICs, i.e. "Wave 1".Let´s look at current Atheros chipsets:

• For 2.4Ghz only :
  TP9343(Dragonfly)     MIPS 74Kc     750 MHz     bgn     3x3:3    

• For 2.4/5.0Ghz:
  QCA9990     PCIe     abgn+ac     4x4:4             Wave2 MU-MIMO 80MHz
  QCA9994     PCIe     abgn+ac     4x4:4             Wave2 MU-MIMO 160MHz

Of course the QCA9994 would be my favourite.

• So, what is the current state of Mikrotik based wave 2 devices. Are those in development state, already?
• Will wave 2 products be announced in 2016?
• Will wave 2 products be available in 2017?

Some hints would be great.

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Cards are on sale?

Google find:
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9994
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7956MAC.html
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9984:
http://www.compex.com.sg/product/wle1216v5-23/
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7955MAC.html
other cards?

Let´s push this one, sorry
(I am waiting for second generation WAP AC, as CAPSMAN tunnel needs a lot of CPU... Therefore an ASIC with more integrated CPU power would be nice to have)

Cards are on sale?

Google find:
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9994
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7956MAC.html
Qualcomm Atheros QCA9984:
http://www.compex.com.sg/product/wle1216v5-23/
http://www.acelink.com.tw/EW-7955MAC.html
other cards?

Would these be supported in RouterOS?

No, driver does Not Support them
I tryed 9888 Wave 2 2x2 from Compex,
->unknown device

the 4x4 will arrive in october, But i think Mikrotik ROS Wireless Driver is outdatet!

They are Working on your own driver, so It will Need Time to implement new Chipsets, i Hope not the Same Time Span since we Hoping for ROS 7.0

Any updates on this?

QCA9984 supported in ROS yet?

Any updates on this?

QCA9984 supported in ROS yet?

And QCA9888

There's no Wave2 support for anything yet.

There's no Wave2 support for anything yet.

shame on Mikrotik but it is the truth

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?

RouterOS v7? Probably. Who knows when though...

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?

IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?

IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.

No no the situation is different..
There is at WLE650V5-25A compex card to be used on the RB800. But it does not show the RB800 card

wave 2 work in the new RouterOS update?

IPQ4018/4019 in the new arm devices (sxtsq, hap ac2, disc lite 5ac) is wave2.
support for 160MHz channel and 80+80mhz is there.

No no the situation is different..
There is at WLE650V5-25A compex card to be used on the RB800. But it does not show the RB800 card

there are only these two chipsets (IPQ4018/19) supported, and not with Wave 2 Features!

any news?

Wave AC drivers in the next ROS 8 version

Bud i see Mikrotik ROS Audience RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD supported QCA9984 chip.

If take RouterBOARD RBM11G with MiniPCI and stick this card there (http://www.compexshop.com/product_info. ... cts_id/486) with the QCA9984 chip, will it work?
What your think?

If take RouterBOARD RBM11G with MiniPCI and stick this card there (http://www.compexshop.com/product_info. ... cts_id/486) with the QCA9984 chip, will it work?
What your think?

Does not work, try Openwrt, that works...

Bud i see Mikrotik ROS Audience RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD supported QCA9984 chip.

This is ARM, not the same Plattform with M11G

Why not?
Audience (https://mikrotik.com/product/audience) have the same chipset QCA9984 and work with mikrotik ROS.

Audience is ARM, RBM11G is MMIPS ... notice the difference?

Now yes!
We need ARM routerboard! Where can I find?

Now yes!
We need ARM routerboard! Where can I find?

that is a dying breed
I don’t think there will be new Boards and wifi 6 Modules....
We will see only Integrated solutions, nothing to Cry about...
Wifi6@Mikrotik will need 4-5 years to be at the same Level
As pre wifi6 Devices that Are Sold today
So there is no need for Mikrotik wifi6

mistry7 pessimist?

No realist

Mikrotik Wireless is years behind competitors
For WISP there no needed improvements are done since ac Hardware becomes available

- spectral Scan is missing
- TDMA is legacy
- Support for 802.11 r/v/k (needed for Wifi4EU)
- wave 2 (Bad throughgut)
- compatibility (ARM AC Hardware is still behind MISPBE)
This List is endless, better they sell nothing new

Yes I am sad to say it but mikrotik 5GHz wireless hardware is no more suitable for professional wisp use

change to Cambium?

Any other manufacturer in AC works better. Mikrotik will never improve the wireless. A year ago I had problems with the tdma and still not solve it.

Maybe they'll solve that with ROS 7.0
ROS 7.0 have new kernel and drivet for chip´s

Yes in 2050

Your grandchildren 2050/ROS 8

Normis what do you say? Is there hope?

Never lose hope for anything.

Never lose hope for anything.

lol

I remain calmer knowing that mikrotik is no longer a technology company if not a religion

Normis comes this year surprise?

Never lose hope for anything.

Normis we have no time to lose hoping in a miracle. We have to stay on the market and we need to take important decision for the future of our company (fiber telco grows quickly) so if you have any announcement to do please don't wait more.

Thank you

It looks like Mikrotik is outdated. None of the Mikrotik support opposes it
Shall we accept it? And accept it as a fact?

Now is when Mikrotik does not respond or says that everything is going well

State of Mikrotik WIFI is always at least one generation behind (right now it's more like a two generations behind). When the wave2 hardware finally arrives, it will be marketed as best thing on earth, while competition will be selling 802.11ax gear like hot pancakes...
If you want latest technology, best throughput and all the new features, you simply can't get them from Mikrotik. Waiting for new hardware is like waiting for Godot, it will never come until it's too late. Or you get something like RB4011 where it took 15 months to figure out why wifi doesn't work correctly... and it's still not confirmed if it's really fixed.
Solution is to just use Mikrotik where it's strong (60GHz,Routing,some switches - as long as you don't get one with flapping ports) and just don't bother with rest...

Mikrotik in the past years has wasted his credibility in wireless market (no spectral scan, no wave 2 support, arm issue, poor perfomance, no new hardware, ecc, ecc) I don't think they have interest to regain it and to have respect for us (we was they richness)

The Normis words have no sense which kind of hope and when?

Never lose hope for anything.

Mikrotik in the past years has wasted his credibility in wireless market (no spectral scan, no wave 2 support, arm issue, poor perfomance, no new hardware, ecc, ecc) I don't think they have interest to regain it and to have respect for us (we was they richness)

The Normis words have no sense which kind of hope and when?

Never lose hope for anything.

I sayed it the hole last year, don't spend anything in Mikrotik Wirleess, there is no future!
There is no move, there is no information.
Our decision is done, we only need Mikrotik spare parts for the old areas....
We use 60ghz, until there is an better solution from someone else.

But in near Future we don't have any Mikrotik in our Network.....
Routing does not have needed IPv6 Features (same here as Wireless), no Info, no Roadmap, nothing ,
so at the Point we run out of IPv4, we move away from Mikrotik, because no complete IPv6 integration.

Sad reading I like to remember the old days when Mikrotik set the trend. Nstreme and Nstreme dual! That was the time ...
Now we have a lot of LTE products but Wireless is behind

I only have 10℅ of my wireless network with mikrotil and this Christmas I will change it for another brand if a miracle does not happen. finally stop bothering mikrotik in this forum

I only have 10℅ of my wireless network with mikrotil and this Christmas I will change it for another brand if a miracle does not happen. finally stop bothering mikrotik in this forum

What brand did you chose? There are many other low cost vendors that promise more than MikroTik, but neither have much experirnce nor are tested in higher density situations (campus environment)
(How many concurrent clients do you have in your wireless network? How many clients are usually connected to one access point?)

Maybe they'll solve that with ROS 7.0
ROS 7.0 have new kernel and drivet for chip´s

Yes: ROS v7.0 does have a new Kernel
No: ROS v7.0 does have the same Wireless drivers as ROS v6, i.e. MikroTik programs its own Wireless drivers and doesn't use the drivers provided by the vendors of the Chipsets (e.g. Broadcom, Qualcomm,...)
Those vendors drivers have everything ready to use, even 802.11ax features, nowadays:
- DL & UL OFDMA
- DL MU-MIMO
- BSS Coloring
- TWT
- TxBF

As of 01/2020 we are all still waiting for DL MU-MIMO for our 802.11ac (Wave 2) chipset based MikroTik Access Points: cAP ac, hAP ac2, RB4011,...
Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

I really REALLY hope this is not true, that just one developer is responsible for all wireless drivers in ROS.

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

I really REALLY hope this is not true, that just one developer is responsible for all wireless drivers in ROS.

Beside Normis who doesn't belong to the developer Team I think, only Reinis talked about MU-MIMO 6 months ago:

What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?

Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

Why only one?
You got any internal info that's so bad?

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

Why only one?
You got any internal info that's so bad?

Look into changelogs and see how many entries are for wireless. If there would be a bigger team only for wireless I would guess they have to argue progress.

Only one single developer from MikroTik "Reinis" knows when he will finish his own implementation of MU-MIMO ...

So we need wait him? All russia regions need MU-MIMO in mikrotik device )

Reinis is not a developer

Thanks for this very helpful answer.
Would be nice to have an answer that actually has some value

Reinis is not a developer

Thanks for this very helpful answer.
Would be nice to have an answer that actually has some value

Reinis is not a developer

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You should know by now, that MikroTik doesn't leak unannounced products in the forum. At least intentionally.
Such things get announced in newsletters and MUM events.

Reinis is not a developer

1. normis isn´t a developer, either.
2. So let´s ask nOoNe about the status of MU-MIMO implementation.