Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week!

http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf

For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors.

Very interesting.
Are there any (exact or approximate) performance benchmarks on
"PowerPC E300 266/333MHz CPU" compared to x86, MIPs, etc?

Regards

Watch the roadmap movies on tiktube, maybe you will get some info there. It would be interested if they can perform wire-speed. I'm not sure if I heard right, but I think they said on the movie that RB-1000 support wire-speed on its gigabit ports.

I'm more interested on the co-processor ... would it be used for encryption? Hmmmm ....

Glad to see more info on the RB333 - thank you. I look forward to seeing it at distributors and hearing results from early users.

http://www.mikrotik.com.cn/product/newRB.htm

check this

amazing

Those pictures look familiar.. It's funny seeing how much they get around and how many different companies stick their name on them..

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=76031#p76031

-Gerard

i'd say RB333 was worth waiting

edit, if talking about its speed

I'm more interested on the co-processor ... would it be used for encryption? Hmmmm ....

It does ethernet processing tasks to take load off the main CPU. It's new advanced technology. In future we might give it more tasks.

Very smart move. Many of the "big boys" put such "accelerators" or "TCP offload engines" on their line cards.
I wonder about creating a PCI-express add-in cards for accelerating x86 / Core2Duo / Core2Quad -base routers?
There's an idea ...

As said in the roadmap presentation (see tiktube video), we are also working on pci-express products.

i'd say RB333 was worth waiting

edit, if talking about its speed

Janisk,

I am awaiting my first badge of 333's and i am of course very excited about the product after what i have read here and heard at the MUM's.. Now, i am a very impatient guy with lots of questions from my customers, so can you give some examples of how well it performs, perhaps some internal benchmark tests? Also one very big issue here is the possibility to do a decent Dual N-Streme setup with this board, do you have any numbers you want to share?

Regards

Henrik Pedersen
Diganet
Denmark

depending on packet size ethernet performance can be maximum interface allows (297Mbps: eg. 3x100) and around 70000pps can be achieved.

When is RB600 gonna be available? In urgent need of such a board to bear daughter-board with multiple ethernet. RB532r5 just too slow for needed Task...

Has the team at Mikrotik tested to see if the RB333 can run Nstreme2 at the full speed of the miniPCI radios in turbo mode?

I would also like to enquire about the ETA of the RB600 and RB1000.

I would also like to know how many SR5 or XR5's can be installed on the same RB600, if a 7aH/12VDC power supply is being used.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Very interesting product. Can't wait to see the benchmarks.
One question I have...

Regarding the Tripleshot MPCI slots, are they raised enough to accommodate more then one XR card?

Very interesting product. Can't wait to see the benchmarks.
One question I have...

Regarding the Tripleshot MPCI slots, are they raised enough to accommodate more then one XR card?

actually only two fill fit, with one other (slimmer) card in the middle. there is a cooler place on the side, so no worries about heat.

there is no problem with other cards, including R52H cards

Hi Normis

What is the R52H card you referred to? Is it an upgrade to the normal R52 cards? I haven't seen anything on them at routerboard.com.

Re, G

I too like Jober would like to know if the RB333 will can do Nstream2. If so orders are on the way.
Mike

Hi Normis

What is the R52H card you referred to? Is it an upgrade to the normal R52 cards? I haven't seen anything on them at routerboard.com.

Re, G

http://routerboard.com/prices.html#permlink29
it's a high power card

I too like Jober would like to know if the RB333 will can do Nstream2. If so orders are on the way.
Mike

The answer 99.9% not (because, if can do full speed Nstreme2 mt representative immediately answered with yes)

of course it can do Nstreme2

Very interesting product. Can't wait to see the benchmarks.
One question I have...

Regarding the Tripleshot MPCI slots, are they raised enough to accommodate more then one XR card?

actually only two fill fit, with one other (slimmer) card in the middle. there is a cooler place on the side, so no worries about heat.

there is no problem with other cards, including R52H cards

You mean we cannot put 3 Xtreme Range 600mW cards on RB333 ?? Why not ?

because XR cards are non standard form factor, they are too thick.

because XR cards are non standard form factor, they are too thick.

thanks normis. What about 2 XR cards and 1 R52H card in the middle ?

also can i use 3 XR cards on RB500 series with an extension board ?

As I said above, one R52 in the middle will work fine.

As I said above, one R52 in the middle will work fine.

Not in the MT enclosure

/Henrik

why not?

Any plans to release a 1U rackmount case for any of these boards? Maybe with an integrated power supply so it can use a standard power cord on the outside of the case for easier cable management.

Any plans to release a 1U rackmount case for any of these boards? Maybe with an integrated power supply so it can use a standard power cord on the outside of the case for easier cable management.

At the Orlando MUM they said they would be releasing the RB1000 in a rack mount case.

thanks normis. What about 2 XR cards and 1 R52H card in the middle ?

RB333 with two XR cards and a SR2 or any smaller card will fit snugly in the slots.. RB333 with an assortment of cards.. XR2, XR3, and Zcom GZ-901.. RB333 with two cards BARELY fits inside a Pac Wireless DCE 7x6x2 enclosure. (I just set the card in there for a quick pic..) RB333 won't fit in a new style ARC enclosure without breaking off/bending the clips that hold the bottom minipci.. (it fits until you try to plug in an ethernet cable..)

Normis, Could you please give us the approximate dimensions of the RB600 so that we make sure we get large enough outdoor cases to fit them.

Thanks,
-Gerard
http://www.quicklinkwireless.com

why not?

Got indoor enclosures for my 333's. Holes for 3 N-connectors in the back, but if i mount more than 1 R52 there isn't room for more than 1 pigtale.. It's like 4-5cm too short. Also i cannot mount more than 2 MiniPCI cards in this enclosure.

/Henrik

why not?

Got indoor enclosures for my 333's. Holes for 3 N-connectors in the back, but if i mount more than 1 R52 there isn't room for more than 1 pigtale.. It's like 4-5cm too short. Also i cannot mount more than 2 MiniPCI cards in this enclosure.

/Henrik

we haven't started selling indoor cases for RB333 yet, so you must be using the RB133 case, which will have similar problems with the larger RB333 device.

the RB333 power supply will support the 3 cards, but your board will get very hot, that's why we have a Fan header there. make sure your Fan/-s support the incoming voltage.

we haven't started selling indoor cases for RB333 yet, so you must be using the RB133 case, which will have similar problems with the larger RB333 device.

Any plan for the outdoor case for RB333?

Any plan for a CE product (base station) based on the RB333? If yes, when?

Thank you.

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Question: does 2.9 run on these cards?

Thank you

Question: does 2.9 run on these cards?

Thank you

RouterBOARD 333 uses a different architecture, 2.9 isn't made to support it, so No.
RB192 uses the same as other RB100 series, so Yes it will work with 2.9.

RouterBOARD 333 uses a different architecture, 2.9 isn't made to support it, so No.
RB192 uses the same as other RB100 series, so Yes it will work with 2.9.

Therefore only 3.X right?

Thank you

RB333 = only 3.X
RB192 = 2.9 and 3.X

We just received the first batch of RB333, and as stated it has MT v.3 on (btw, it was not reported on the specs).
We ordered the RB333 to use them (quite logically), but i'm a little worried by the fact that MT3 is still under development and not yet released as stable.
Does it mean that current MT3 release can be used safely on a production environment, or at this time the RB333 have to be used as a "beta" product, as a whole?

Second question, more important for future deployment planning:
MTv3 licensing scheme for routing has changed several times in the past.
Now i see that on level 4 rouing is reported:
RIP, OSPF, BGP protocols:
yes
(v3 x86 = RIP, OSPF)

Do i understand correctly that MT v.3 Level 4 on routerboards supports ALL routing protocols, while x86 version RIP and OSPF only?

Thanks,
Ricky

yes, these limitations are PC only

RouterOS 3 is now in RC = Release candidate. You can count that as pretty much stable. We are still finishing some minor issues and then it will be ready for Final. As you know from the many 2.9 subversions, "Final" is never final. Features get tweaked and issues addressed.

the RB333 power supply will support the 3 cards, but your board will get very hot, that's why we have a Fan header there. make sure your Fan/-s support the incoming voltage.

How will fans help if the board is in a small sealed enclosure such as the PacWireless above? You just end up recirculating hot air over the device - a bit like my old fan oven!

the RB333 power supply will support the 3 cards, but your board will get very hot, that's why we have a Fan header there. make sure your Fan/-s support the incoming voltage.

How will fans help if the board is in a small sealed enclosure such as the PacWireless above? You just end up recirculating hot air over the device - a bit like my old fan oven!

tested and it works very well

In what sort of ambient temperatures?

it helps against hot-spots, it distributes the heat evenly to avoid overheating in specific areas. testing was done in all kinds of warm environments, but not exacly desert (don't have any;)

Does the RB333 have any temperature sensor? If so, will it be possible to link it with the fan so that the fan only kicks in when things get a little hot?

Power consumption

Sorry about my English.

RB333 has 3W without miniPCI cards.

But I am a little confused when I tried to calculate power supply and backup for my future RB333 (3-6 pieces on my AP).
It has 3W power consumption and input power from 9 to 28V DC.
OK

Some theory:
P=U*I [W] => I = P / U [A]
If I use 9 or 28V does RB333 consume every time 3W or not? If every time RB333 consume 3W than:

I= 3/9 = 0,333 [A]
I= 3/28 = 0,107 [A]

It is better to use Higher Input Voltage if the RB333 doesn't regulate Input Voltage into for example 5V! Than it is better to use lower Power supply to eliminate enormous heat production. Is it true?
HIGH Current Power supply are very expensive! It is much cheaper to buy 12V/1A than 12V/3A.

Thanks for reply.


PS: Why RB333 does not support IEEE802.3af? I think it is not

On RB333 rc3 and rc4 MAC-telnet not work. Connection timeout message receive.

i cannot confirm that, for me mac telnet is working as expected, check configuration, is /tool mac-server configuration ok?

i cannot confirm that, for me mac telnet is working as expected, check configuration, is /tool mac-server configuration ok?

No problem with mac-telnet here too, both with v.3 and 2.9.x devices. Tried both on ethernet and wireless.
Bye,
ricky

I haven't had any problems with mac-telnet, so must be something else. That's rc4 on PPC (RB333), MIPS and x86.

Do you have problems mac-telnet'ing from routerboard to the other ? Or from a PC to the board ?

If you f.eks. use WinBox under Wine on Linux, you'll need to have a IP and a default route defined on the interface, that your board is. Doesn't matter where it points, but MAC-telnet (and mac-winbox) will fail, if that's not set up, both with RouterOS 2.9 and 3.x.

/Martin

Hi Normis

What is the R52H card you referred to? Is it an upgrade to the normal R52 cards? I haven't seen anything on them at routerboard.com.

Re, G

http://routerboard.com/prices.html#permlink29
it's a high power card

R52H is a 350 milliwatt card vs the previous model with only 65 milliwatt.

Hi all,

we already used this RB333 using router OS V3.0rc1, great performance, but i tittle disapointed with mac-telnet. When i mac-telnet to it, after command prompt always displayed " 44r " and the consule always crash after i putting wrong or try to dellete the command.

Is any body have some experiences with this??,.. And is the newest version (V3.0rc5) fix this problem?.

thx
andang

Hi Normis

What is the R52H card you referred to? Is it an upgrade to the normal R52 cards? I haven't seen anything on them at routerboard.com.

Re, G

http://routerboard.com/prices.html#permlink29
it's a high power card

R52H is a 350 milliwatt card vs the previous model with only 65 milliwatt.

Thanks jacoblydon

When I asked the question there was no information released on the usual sites I looked.

Hi all,

we already used this RB333 using router OS V3.0rc1, great performance, but i tittle disapointed with mac-telnet. When i mac-telnet to it, after command prompt always displayed " 44r " and the consule always crash after i putting wrong or try to dellete the command.

Is any body have some experiences with this??,.. And is the newest version (V3.0rc5) fix this problem?.

thx
andang

Hi andang

I had all kinds of problems with RC1 (mostly getting used to the new interface, and trying it out on RB's with smaller CPU's like RB133C. This has been resolved though).

I do recommend trying RC4 or RC5 and let us know if you still experience the same problems.

A good tip is also to have a look at the CHANGELOG on the download page.

Re, G

Hi,
I have terminated the real environment performance test on the new RB333.
I would like show results for continuos improvement on wireless performance, for the nice guy from mikrotik.
The configuration is:
one rb333, 3 minipci R52, one ftp server, 3 clients.
Router os beta 3 rc 5

first result:
client connected to eth1
server connected to eth2
eth1 and eth2 bridged
Speed download from server 98 Mbit

second result:
client connected to Wlan1
server connected to eth2
bridge with eth2 and Wlan1
Speed download from server 21 Mbit

3° result: client1 connected to Wlan1 2.4 ghz
client2 connected to Wlan1 2.4 ghz
distance 3 meters

server connected to eth2
bridge with eth2 and Wlan1
Speed download from server 21 Mbit, client balanced 10/10 Mbit

4° result:
client1 connected to Wlan1
client2 connected to Wlan2
distance 3 meter

server connected to eth2
bridge with eth2 and Wlan1 and Wlan2
Speed download from server 21 Mbit, clients not balanced 3/17 Mbit

From the above results, seems that the RB333 has more powerfull processor(same ethernet test on RB532 results 50 Mbit).
It is still the problem that each Wlan has not 20 Mbit, but 20 Mbit are subdivited via the wireless interfaces, this important performance need for use rb333 to support 3 AP Wlan.
The worst condition, is that when is downloading from 2 different Wlan at same time Mk beta 3 does not support autobalance. in some case one client downloading at 200 kbit while the other client is downloading at 20 mbit.

Ciao
Massimo

you where lucky that you got 50/50 in the first wireless test, i would suggest you to create queues that will ensure that bandwidth is divided equally between users. RouterOS do not do this by default.

Hy.
I never seen a 333 till now, so i'm asking something about your sentences.

It is still the problem that each Wlan has not 20 Mbit, but 20 Mbit are subdivited via the wireless interfaces, this important performance need for use rb333 to support 3 AP Wlan.

This seems to be very strange...are you sure the two client were associated to a different ssid (client1--wlan1 and client2--wlan2)?
I'm asking this becouse, in theory, the RB333 have to provide 20+20Mbps of total throughput (40Mbps from ethernet) in that configuration:

client1 connected to Wlan1
client2 connected to Wlan2
distance 3 meter

server connected to eth2
bridge with eth2 and Wlan1 and Wlan2

The worst condition, is that when is downloading from 2 different Wlan at same time Mk beta 3 does not support autobalance. in some case one client downloading at 200 kbit while the other client is downloading at 20 mbit.

Interesting. And that is definately not due to inteference between the 2 antennas? What does the CPU on the AP say when you have 2 clients of 2 different antennas downloading at the same time?

you should seperate those antennas becuase it will interfere between each other atleast few meters even if you are using different frequency.
also try to lower the output power of the wireless cards if you are doing such indoor tests in close range.

Today I'm going to test with one card configured as bridge AP at 5GHz and the other card configured as bridge AP at 2.4GHz in order to avoid interferences.

This seems to be very strange...are you sure the two client were associated to a different ssid (client1--wlan1 and client2--wlan2)?
I'm asking this becouse, in theory, the RB333 have to provide 20+20Mbps of total throughput (40Mbps from ethernet) in that configuration:

The proble is not on the ethernet port since if I test ethernet to ethernet it is showing me 90Mbit per port.
And yes I'm 200% sure that I have connected the two clients in different SSID.

Also one test has been conducted configuring one card as client connected to another RB333 with card as AP bridge. In order to simulate AP + backhall.
CLIENT 2.4GHz laptop -->
FIRST RB333 [(AP beridge 2.4GHz) -- > Client wireless WDS (5gHz)]-->
SECOND RB333 [(AP beridge 5GHz) -- > ETHERNET connected to server]

It has good results since I'm downloaded from the client at 20 Mbit. and if I use turbo 40 Mbit.

Today I'm going to test with one card configured as bridge AP at 5GHz and the other card configured as bridge AP at 2.4GHz in order to avoid interferences.

This seems to be very strange...are you sure the two client were associated to a different ssid (client1--wlan1 and client2--wlan2)?
I'm asking this becouse, in theory, the RB333 have to provide 20+20Mbps of total throughput (40Mbps from ethernet) in that configuration:

The proble is not on the ethernet port since if I test ethernet to ethernet it is showing me 90Mbit per port.
And yes I'm 200% sure that I have connected the two clients in different SSID.

Also one test has been conducted configuring one card as client connected to another RB333 with card as AP bridge. In order to simulate AP + backhall.
CLIENT 2.4GHz laptop -->
FIRST RB333 [(AP beridge 2.4GHz) -- > Client wireless WDS (5gHz)]-->
SECOND RB333 [(AP beridge 5GHz) -- > ETHERNET connected to server]

It has good results since I'm downloaded from the client at 20 Mbit. and if I use turbo 40 Mbit.

Hi

Please tell me, have you tried another Notebook in your last mentioned scenario?

Also, I'm not 100% sure what you meant with your last scenario. Did you mean:

{Client Notebook [2.4GHz Ant]} <--> {[2.4GHz Ant] FIRST RB333 [5.8GHz Ant WDS Mode]} <--> {[5.8GHz Ant WDS] Second RB333 [10/100 Ethernet]} <--> {[Ethernet] Server}

Questions:

1) Have you tried changing your WDS link to AP-Bridge & Station instead of WDS?
2) What happens if you connect the 2.4GHz Notebook using Ethernet instead of wireless?
3) Please tell us what you have configured on the RB333's (eg, DHCP server, queueing, Firewall Rules etc)

If you could post your configuration files at a later stage we could also have a look at that. Before you post the configuration, please answer my questions above.

Re, G
{

I have simple configured all in bridge mode.
no firewall, no dhcp notghing else, only ip address, no route.

regarding the trial ap bridge- station, it is not possible since I'm using bridge and it works only with WDS.
I have isolated the various trunk.

{Client Notebook [2.4GHz Ant]} <--> {[2.4GHz Ant] FIRST RB333 [5.8GHz Ant WDS Mode]} <--> {[5.8GHz Ant WDS] Second RB333 [10/100 Ethernet]} <--> {[Ethernet] Server}
1)
FIRST RB333 [5.8GHz Ant WDS Mode]} <--> {[5.8GHz Ant WDS] Second RB333 :
5GHz = 20 Mbit
5GHz Turbo = 35 Mbit
2)
{Client Notebook [2.4GHz Ant]} <--> {[2.4GHz Ant] FIRST RB333 [5.8GHz Ant WDS Mode]} <--> {[5.8GHz Ant WDS] Second RB333 [10/100 Ethernet]} <--> {[Ethernet] Server}
5GHz = 10 Mbit
5GHz Turbo = 10 Mbit
in this case I will check if the bottle neck is the 2.4Ghz, I have to test with another client, and also with another mPCI as APbridge for the 2.4Ghz. anyway the SNR is 35 db for 2.4GHz and 45 db for 5GHz.

In addition I have tried the bandwith test on mikrotik os.
in UDP it shows a wrong performance 3 Mbit. Mikrotik team should verify if it is a bug but I do not believe that UPD is worst than TCP.

in TCP it shows 37 Mbit in trubo mode between 5Ghz connection.

Also it seems that the full duplex is not balanced, I mean if I'm downloading from the server at 10 Mbit when I start the upload at same time it show 7Mbit in download and 3 Mbit in Upload.
Also with bandwith test, it is confirmed the unbalanced between UP and DL.
Trails are ongoing.

When you say you run WDS and bridge the interfaces, do you mean you are actually using one IP range throughout the link?


Basically this is what you have:

Building 1:
NOTEBOOK with 2.4GHz Ant
RB333 with 2.4GHz Dist and 5.8GHz Uplink

Building 2:
RB333 with 5.8GHz Dist and ethernet "uplink"
Server with ethernet



What I would have done in that scenario is as follow:

Building 2:
Server {IP: 192.168.0.10} {Default Gateway: 192.168.0.254}
RB333 {ether1 IP:192.168.0.254} {5.8GHz Dist IP:192.168.1.254/24 Wireless Mode: AP Bridge}
[Remember to add a static route as follow:
/ip/route add dst-address=192.168.2.0/24 gateway=192.168.1.1
This is so the ethernet range of the Notebook can be reached]

Building 1: (Client)
RB333 {5.8GHz Uplink IP:192.168.1.1/24 Wireless Mode:station} {Ethernet IP:192.168.2.254/24} {ip/route dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=192.168.1.254}
Notebook {Ethernet IP:192.168.2.x Default Gateway 192.168.2.254}
[Remember to make the default gateway the Wireless IP of Building 2's 5.8Dist interface.

Once you have done it this way, run your tests again. Monitor each RB's CPU in order to find bottlenecks.

I'm not saying my way is the best way, but this way certainly works for me. I do not trust bridged networks, as you don't have as much control.

Giepie,
I'm agree with you for the suggested configuration.
Actually my production network (I have 13 RB532 routed and not bridge in this moment and it works perfect).

But for fast trial I have choose bridge. I will do routing test also as you suggested and try to understand if there is difference with the two kind of configuraton.
My little internal qualification procedure has this step too.

Yesterday, I have performed deep analisys all the afternoon.
What I can say is that I'm seeing a strange behaviur on 2,4Ghz card.
In fact I have faced with antenna select issue. (ant A and Ant B).
When I change between the two antennas the RB333 reboot after some seconds and on the log I have reboot for kernel error.
Also I have noticed a different performance in 2.4GHz with different mPCI card at the end I had 20 Mbit with the previous configuration.
At 5GHz no problem in this moment, with Turbo mode I have 30 Mbit full duplex.
I will send the suppout file but also I will review the hardware connections, so my results are partial.

I'm using R52 for 5GHz and 2.4GHz.
Ciao

Let us know how it goes with the routed option.

Giepie,
I'm agree with you for the suggested configuration.
Actually my production network (I have 13 RB532 routed and not bridge in this moment and it works perfect).

But for fast trial I have choose bridge. I will do routing test also as you suggested and try to understand if there is difference with the two kind of configuraton.
My little internal qualification procedure has this step too.

Yesterday, I have performed deep analisys all the afternoon.
What I can say is that I'm seeing a strange behaviur on 2,4Ghz card.
In fact I have faced with antenna select issue. (ant A and Ant B).
When I change between the two antennas the RB333 reboot after some seconds and on the log I have reboot for kernel error.
Also I have noticed a different performance in 2.4GHz with different mPCI card at the end I had 20 Mbit with the previous configuration.
At 5GHz no problem in this moment, with Turbo mode I have 30 Mbit full duplex.
I will send the suppout file but also I will review the hardware connections, so my results are partial.

I'm using R52 for 5GHz and 2.4GHz.
Ciao

we can't reproduce this problem by changing the antenna-mode setting on RB333 for R52 card. Could you taka a photo of that kernel panic and make the support output file and send it to support@mikrotik.com