WinBox v3.29 released!

emils · Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:41 am

What's new in v3.29:

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
*) added separate "Show Columns" window for list of visible columns;
*) allow changing column order by using drag and drop;
*) made "Terminal" window titles unique;

If you experience version related issues, then please report them to support@mikrotik.com.

Both Winbox 32-bit and 64-bit versions are available here:
https://www.mikrotik.com/download

Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:05 am

OMG

Christmas in August ...

Kindis · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:06 am

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows
*) allow changing column order by using drag and drop

Love this. Many thanks!

nescafe2002 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:30 am

SUP-27251 [Winbox] Feature request: Add menu option "Window"

Time to delivery: Less than a year :)

Thanks!

rextended · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:32 am

This bug still present:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p862289

txfz · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:40 am

*) added separate "Show Columns" window for list of visible columns;

This window is not scrollable by mouse wheel.

pe1chl · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:46 am

Unfortunately the bug that occurs when holding down mousebutton on a window which is frequently updated, e.g. to change column width or to move a line up or down, is still present!
It has been reported so many times already and I think it also was reproduced at MikroTik, please fix it.
(back to version 3.21 where it still worked correctly)

UNBELIEVABLE!!!! What are you guys doing there??? No testing?
SUP-26372

Znevna · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:24 am

Bug reported here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p861160
and here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p861441
and here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p861513
and here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p861643
Got a new feature: It doesn't instantly crash, in either modes (if it shows APs or Clients) selecting one entry for about 20 seconds leads to a memory leak (WinBox starts eating memory and using 100% of one CPU core), freezes and it eventually disconnects from the router when it hits ~200MB of RAM used.
New feature! :)
Can I test the WinBox versions before release? I'll do it for free.

pe1chl · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:50 am

Can I test the WinBox versions before release? I'll do it for free.

Do you also see the issue when dragging column width in a window with frequent updates (e.g. firewall filters, connections)?
It is a fatal problem for me but it appears to get little attention. Other users confirm it, and/or have been bitten by it.
So maybe you can test and report that as well?

Kindis · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:57 am

@pe1chl can you describe the issue in more detail as I want to test as well. I have not sizing issues of columns but I might not use the functions as you.
I know you wrong once here but I do not understand what the bug is.

osc86 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:03 pm

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
Thanks for this improvement.

No issues with resizing columns in any of the windows, never had. Maybe your graphics driver or emulation thing if you're using wine.

pe1chl · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:13 pm

@pe1chl can you describe the issue in more detail as I want to test as well. I have not sizing issues of columns but I might not use the functions as you.
I know you wrong once here but I do not understand what the bug is.

You need to have a router with a lot of activity on it. Then you open a screen which shows lots of items (firewall rules, open connections, etc) and which shows counters.
These counters will be frequently updated because of the activity.
Now, you put the mouse cursor on a column separator in the header and keep the mouse button pressed, because you want to change the size of the column.
In a version that works OK, you can now drag the column separator and the column width will follow it smoothly.
In a version 3.22 and higher, you will see that the column width changes whenever the counter update takes place. So the column changes width randomly, and when you release the mouse button you end up with column with another width than you want.

In the "firewall filter" window it is even worse, because there you can drag lines in the firewall up and down. When you press the mouse button on a line to prepare to drag it up or down, it will jump to a random location at the next counter update, and when you then release the mouse button you will change your firewall (because order of rules is important). You still have the opportunity to quickly drag the moved line to the original position when you see this happen, before you release the button. But it is a race between the counter updates and your mouse action.
Of course you can click "undo" after you inadvertently moved a rule to the wrong place, but when you have bad luck you can lock yourself out and will not be able to do that unless you had safe mode enabled.

I think it is an important bug. I use Linux and wine, but others have confirmed that the problem also occurs under Windows.

Znevna · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:23 pm

@pe1chl: My most active window with frequent updates would be firewall/connections but I can't see anything happening there.
And I can't imagine anything "fatal" happening in that window while resizing a column. What am I supposed to be looking for?
If you're using Windows you can review your mouse actions using "Steps Recorder" maybe you're mouse is doing something weird :)
Example:
Step 1: (‎23.‎08.‎2021 12:19:46) User mouse drag start on "Firewall (pane)" in "admin@...
Step 2: (‎23.‎08.‎2021 12:19:50) User mouse drag end on "Firewall (pane)" in "admin@...
LE: ah, I see you're not using Windows. Sorry, don't have any GUI linux installs to test this.

Dude2048 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:36 pm

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
*) added separate "Show Columns" window for list of visible columns;
*) allow changing column order by using drag and drop;
*) made "Terminal" window titles unique;

Thanks for these improvements. Very useful

msatter · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:55 pm

I went from 3.27 to 3.29 so it was very tempting to make the step. Thanks for the new stuff making things easier especially the Windows button to find my lost windows.

Kindis · Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:01 pm

@pe1chl: I cannot replicate this per say but I think the key here is traffic volume. As I use Fasttrack and do not have crazy number of session I do not see that much updates in the GUI. But I tested to reload a blocklist I have with over 80 000 entries which removes them and then reloads them and while that is running I most definitely experience lag in GUI and see a CPU spike on my PC for a few seconds. As this spike in CPU happens the mouse cursor stops moving and I cannot readjust. So I believe I can slightly reproduce the behavior but not the issue.

colin · Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:42 pm

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
Love love this. Thank you so much.

chubbs596 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:08 pm

Unfortunately the bug that occurs when holding down mousebutton on a window which is frequently updated, e.g. to change column width or to move a line up or down, is still present!
It has been reported so many times already and I think it also was reproduced at MikroTik, please fix it.
(back to version 3.21 where it still worked correctly)

UNBELIEVABLE!!!! What are you guys doing there??? No testing?
SUP-26372

I have the same issue reported on SUP-27025 almost 1 year ago

Cha0s · Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:14 pm

Unfortunately the bug that occurs when holding down mousebutton on a window which is frequently updated, e.g. to change column width or to move a line up or down, is still present!
It has been reported so many times already and I think it also was reproduced at MikroTik, please fix it.
(back to version 3.21 where it still worked correctly)

UNBELIEVABLE!!!! What are you guys doing there??? No testing?
SUP-26372

I confirm, I get the same bug on my end.

chubbs596 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:02 pm

Can I test the WinBox versions before release? I'll do it for free.
Do you also see the issue when dragging column width in a window with frequent updates (e.g. firewall filters, connections)?
It is a fatal problem for me but it appears to get little attention. Other users confirm it, and/or have been bitten by it.
So maybe you can test and report that as well?

Its critical for me also, observed in Firewall filter and also route filters where position of a rule could be critical

Znevna · Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:17 pm

Are you all using WinBox under Wine too? Mention the OS for WinBox bugs please.

pe1chl · Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:18 pm

Are you all using WinBox under Wine too? Mention the OS for WinBox bugs please.

I already mentioned that I am using Linux+wine but that others confirm the same problem occurs with Windows.

Znevna · Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:19 pm

Please let the other three that mentioned the bug reply.

Cha0s · Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:40 pm

Are you all using WinBox under Wine too? Mention the OS for WinBox bugs please.

Win 7, Win10, KDE Neon (Wine)

santyx32 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:21 pm

Are you all using WinBox under Wine too? Mention the OS for WinBox bugs please.

Mikrotik employees use Winbox from their MacBooks using Wine.

k6ccc · Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:25 am

I think it is an important bug. I use Linux and wine, but others have confirmed that the problem also occurs under Windows.

@pe1chi - Unable to duplicate on either Windows 7 or Windows 10.

Kindis · Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:41 am

I think the bug described by pe1ch is dependent on large updates in the GUI. I cannot replicate the issue either but I use fasttrack meaning GUI does not update that much. However if I do a large address list import I can sort of experience the issue but not with the same outcome.

JmJ17 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 am

Amazing update!!! Thank you very much

tommyd · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:10 pm

What's new in v3.29:

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;

Almost. When windows are closed by Session > Close all windows the Windows menu looks like this:

pe1chl · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:16 pm

I confirm, I get the same bug on my end.

Do you have a large screen? I am trying to setup an access to our router for MikroTik so they can try to reproduce it (although I really cannot believe the setup has anything to do with this, they keep insisting on it), but when I created a VPN and installed winbox 3.29 on a 1920x1080 laptop I cannot reproduce it there.
But on my 2560x1440 desktop system it immediately fails... completely unworkable on some screens.
All of them run Debian 10, with wine.
I'm really trying to find what is the way to reproduce it, as I really want to update winbox for the new features in this version (which I also have requested) and I also require it for testing 7.1rc1.
But tweaking column widths in this version is almost impossible for me, and modifying firewall rules is outright dangerous!

I would already be happy when the whole updating pauses during mouse-down, I do not need to see the counters and uptimes updated while I move things around.

pe1chl · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:20 pm

In the Log window, the column width of the "Message" column is some arbitrary small value, and it is not saved in the session either.
Everytime I open the Log window (or when it is re-opened as part of a saved session on winbox startup) I need to resize the Message column to extend to the right of the window.
I think either the column width should be saved (as it is for all other windows) or better: the Message column should automatically be sized to use the remaining space in the Log window.
(I usually have a Log window full-sized as backdrop for all my work in winbox, so the window is quite large but half of it is not used unless I extend the Message column)

joegoldman · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:51 pm

This is a great update! Being able to re-organise columns and the new column selector is a godsend! Along with the windows option for those busy busy troubleshooting sessions.

I have asked this before, and had it previously working - but is it possible in the main winbox view to have 'show categories' use the WHOLE field its sorted by rather than just first character? Specifically on the GROUP field for me - so I can have Client 1, Client 2, Client 3 groups all separate and not just all grouped together under 'C'

(I kind of get around this using numbers but it is cumbersome sometimes)

Cha0s · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:55 pm

I confirm, I get the same bug on my end.
Do you have a large screen? I am trying to setup an access to our router for MikroTik so they can try to reproduce it (although I really cannot believe the setup has anything to do with this, they keep insisting on it), but when I created a VPN and installed winbox 3.29 on a 1920x1080 laptop I cannot reproduce it there.
But on my 2560x1440 desktop system it immediately fails... completely unworkable on some screens.

I just tried it on my laptop (FHD/1080p) and I cannot reproduce it.
On my desktop (QHD/1440p) the bug manifests itself every time.
On the desktop I use 6 monitors, if that plays any role.

So it seems it's resolution dependent. Good catch!

pe1chl · Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:11 pm

On the desktop I use 6 monitors, if that plays any role.

My desktop system has 2 monitors, a 2560x1400 where I am working and a 1920x1080 which in fact is my TV.
But at work I have only a single 1600x1200 monitor connected on the system which exhibits this behavior.
It is an Xtightvnc X server, that is different from what I have at home (where it is a normal server directly driving the videocard).
I will try some experiments later today to see if I can find what is the difference that triggers it...

Guscht · Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:16 pm

Still transparent Menus, if filtering is enabled and you scroll, as reporter here.

Zwischenablage01.jpg

feris · Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:06 pm

On Windows 10 with DPI at 125% Winbox taskbar icon is blurred. This do not occur on version <=3.28.

Chupaka · Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:49 pm

Previously, when running Torch and double-clicking a line in the results, Torch was stopped and IP address under mouse cursor copied to corresponding field (src. or dst. address) where it was easily accessible. Now I can't repeat that. Is it WinBox 3.29 or my MacOS?..

k6ccc · Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:55 pm

Previously, when running Torch and double-clicking a line in the results, Torch was stopped and IP address under mouse cursor copied to corresponding field (src. or dst. address) where it was easily accessible. Now I can't repeat that. Is it WinBox 3.29 or my MacOS?..

Never knew about that capability in Torch. However just tried that in 3.29 on a Windows 10 PC, and it did not work.

pe1chl · Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:16 pm

W.r.t. the "mouse dragging problem", I now have found that I can only reproduce it with an existing session file (.viw file) that exhibits the problem.
When I temporarily move that session file and start a session, then scale and position things the same as in the original setting, set the same filter, etc, it cannot be reproduced.
So that sort of confirms that it is either some setting in winbox that I previously made and did not make in the new session, or it is something in the session file that maybe got in there in an older version of winbox and not in the current one.
I have the issue on two different systems that do not share session files, and that connect to two different sets of routers.
Of course it would be no fun to start from scratch, setup all those things in the sessions, and then after a lot of work accidentally hit something that makes it come back again.
Oskars asked if I use "show categories" and while I sometimes use that, it is not enabled in the windows that exhibit the problem (like IP->firewall->filter), but it is in others like IP->firewall->address list. Toggling it on or off in a session that exhibits the problem does not make it change.

Znevna · Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:33 pm

Send the problematic session file to MikroTik? maybe they can analyze it for whatever causes this? (and reproduce the issue on their end with your session file) ?:)
Just a thought.

pe1chl · Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:29 pm

Send the problematic session file to MikroTik?

Yes, I attached one to my support ticket.
Files like this should be in plain text, it seems like a lame mixture between ascii labels and binary values...

pendie · Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:53 pm

back 3.28

Jotne · Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:38 pm

back 3.28

A very informative post....

madman22 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:59 pm

Please reverse your change that moved close below start in all the tools. PLEASE keep stop below start. It has wasted a significant amount of time already

k6ccc · Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:05 am

Please reverse your change that moved close below start in all the tools. PLEASE keep stop below start. It has wasted a significant amount of time already

That one I would agree with - as in putting Stop below Start...

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:03 am

The best choice is to put the button every time in a random position, on that way, everytime we have to read what is written, instead of clicking like trained monkeys ...

Ok... The right way: use the same button for start/stop, just change role and text inside the button, like other thousand of other start/stop control interfaces.

Pun1sh3r · Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:41 pm

Crashed when pressed F4 to close all windows.
Crashed when tried to add CPU Load, Memory load and Uptime to the top pannel.
At different sessions.

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:43 pm

Crashed when pressed F4 to close all windows.
Crashed when tried to add CPU Load, Memory load and Uptime to the top pannel.
At different sessions.

You have some problem,

On "my" Windows, no one error like yours.

Pun1sh3r · Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:45 pm

Crashed when pressed F4 to close all windows.
Crashed when tried to add CPU Load, Memory load and Uptime to the top pannel.
At different sessions.
You have some problem,

On "my" Windows, no one error like yours.

This is not systematic. Crashed 2 times.

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:56 pm

All my employees do not report any problem,
except for the windows problem for access with MAC address one device when the PC have more than one network interface (ethernet/wireless) active,

and this unresolved BUG ADDED from 3.28 when MikroTik try to fix "big paste" inside terminal:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=175783#p862289

mozerd · Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:30 pm

WinBox v3.29
From Winbox when launching Manual the following Script error makes its presence known:

winbox329.GIF

Jotne · Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:54 pm

On Explorer you get this when click on manual:

manual.jpg

It does open when click close, but I do see som formatting errors:

manual2.jpg

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:00 pm

Exist a "manual" inside WinBox? I never noticed or used it.... :)))

raffav · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:15 pm

Someone playing with Ros 7.1rc1 figure out how to use winbox skin?

infabo · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:20 pm

i did not find this skin config anywhere

emils · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Use the skin designer in WebFig to create a skin and assign it to a user's group. Just like in WebFig, now WinBox will use the skin as well.

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:24 pm

Ah, no "night" mode? :(

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:25 pm

Use the skin designer in WebFig to create a skin and assign it to a user's group. Just like in WebFig, now WinBox will use the skin as well.

It's a joke, nevermind "night mode", instead this is very great feature for installers....

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:28 pm

@emils, PLEASE
is possible to have a full default.json with inside all text and all enabled to start a translation, instead to use webfig and try to click everywhere to find every possible translable field?

I share for alls my Italian translation when I done.

pe1chl · Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:17 pm

I keep hoping that one day MikroTik will put all winbox functionality in webfig so that we can maintain our routers without having to install winbox.
A separate service program (available for Windows and also native for Linux and MacOS) would serve as a relay for MAC access and Netinstall functions.
Everything now done by winbox (including having sub-windows, configurable columns etc) would be done in a web environment programmed in Javascript (e.g. NodeJS).
More and more equipment from other manufacturers is going this path... and often with very nice results.

joegoldman · Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:11 am

I keep hoping that one day MikroTik will put all winbox functionality in webfig so that we can maintain our routers without having to install winbox.
A separate service program (available for Windows and also native for Linux and MacOS) would serve as a relay for MAC access and Netinstall functions.
Everything now done by winbox (including having sub-windows, configurable columns etc) would be done in a web environment programmed in Javascript (e.g. NodeJS).
More and more equipment from other manufacturers is going this path... and often with very nice results.

Its also a lot of work and harder to maintain - I've built web-apps like this and inside the DOM there is no inherent (read: Good) window manager - there are some libraries out there, and there are oddities between different browsers in those libraries - I rolled my own and it fuckin suuuuuuucks to write and maintain events through the windows (in my case the windows are movable iframes with borders)

Rant aside - my point is yes this may be something in future, but it is a BIG job and with existing competent cross platform management tools already available it would not (and should not) be a priority for their developers.

Cha0s · Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:34 am

I prefer Winbox. I don't want another web-based app that will need 1-2GB of RAM to be able to run in the browser, break after browser updates and be slower at the same time.

infabo · Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:06 am

HHAHHAHAHA it is the other way round actually.

Winbox 3.29 crashed like a few dozen times. I clear "%appdata/roaming/mikrotik/winbox". then it works for like a little time. then crash loops again.

Netfig on the other hand. The used tech stack there is sooooooooo old. it has a beard to the floor long. BUT that makes it so stable after all. If your app works in Internet Explorer 11 - then it works in 99,99999999% of recent serious browsers. And webfig looks like it already ran in IE6 back in XP. So thats one of thr most battle-tested web-application on the f*** enterprise market or even the whole planet after all. yeah

Cha0s · Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:48 am

If you do serious work WebFig is a toy compared to Winbox.

ssbaksa · Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:26 am

What's new in v3.29:

*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
Almost. When windows are closed by Session > Close all windows the Windows menu looks like this:

I can confirm this.
Lp

Saša

pe1chl · Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:38 am

If you do serious work WebFig is a toy compared to Winbox.

Winbox as it is now. But note I wrote "I keep hoping that one day MikroTik will put all winbox functionality in webfig".
I have seen other web interfaces that come quite close to what winbox does, at most they are slower but functionally they are the same.
(i.e. multiple windows active at the same time, customizable layout of each window, "copy" functionality, etc)

Caci99 · Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:37 am

Unfortunately the bug that occurs when holding down mousebutton on a window which is frequently updated, e.g. to change column width or to move a line up or down, is still present!
It has been reported so many times already and I think it also was reproduced at MikroTik, please fix it.
(back to version 3.21 where it still worked correctly)

UNBELIEVABLE!!!! What are you guys doing there??? No testing?
SUP-26372

If you are talking about resizing the column width, I have experienced that behavior too. Trying to resize columns in registration table of capsman gets crazy, and then behavior carries over to other windows of winbox, you need to close all instances of winbox to get it back to normal.

pe1chl · Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:56 am

If you are talking about resizing the column width, I have experienced that behavior too. Trying to resize columns in registration table of capsman gets crazy, and then behavior carries over to other windows of winbox, you need to close all instances of winbox to get it back to normal.

Always good to have another datapoint! Be careful, it also affects moving lines up or down in windows where that is supported, like the firewall filters and route filters.
When you encounter it there, it is more than a display issue, it can affect the function of the router.
In the meantime it looks like it is somehow stored in the "session file", the .viw file kept for each winbox session. Maybe it is related to session files created with an older winbox version? When I remove the session file I have difficulty re-creating the problem. But of course I don't like to do that because I lose all customizations done in winbox.

Ratatouille · Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:13 pm

What's new in v3.29:
*) added "Windows" menu for list of all currently opened windows;
Almost. When windows are closed by Session > Close all windows the Windows menu looks like this:

Thanks for this update, particularly the '*) allow changing column order by using drag and drop;'; something I wanted so badly as I was working over the weekend.

If I may add, from the UI design perspective, wouldn't it be better to have the 'Windows' menu item at the top level menu list together with the 'Session,' 'Settings,' and 'Dashboard' menu items? Then the 'Close All Windows' command under the 'Sessions' top-level menu item then be moved to under the new 'Window' meu item. Also 'Minimise All' and/or 'Arrange All' commands could be added for ease of use.

colin · Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:45 pm

Previously, when running Torch and double-clicking a line in the results, Torch was stopped and IP address under mouse cursor copied to corresponding field (src. or dst. address) where it was easily accessible. Now I can't repeat that. Is it WinBox 3.29 or my MacOS?..

I have the same issue.
windows 10 + winbox 3.29

anav · Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:06 pm

The best choice is in a random position, in this way every time we read what is written before clicking ...

Ok... The right way: use the same button for start/stop, just change role and text inside the button, like other thousand of other start/stop control interfaces.

I almost choked on my coffee reading your first suggestion.
Was that the Italian method?

I like the idea of your second suggestion, no possible room for error,
so if it the button says start one can assumed its stopped, if the button says stop, one can assume its started.
In general there is nothing more frustrated than having two polar opposite buttons close together on any interface ( classic save and delete )

rextended · Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:33 pm

I like the idea of your second suggestion, no possible room for error,
so if it the button says start one can assumed its stopped, if the button says stop, one can assume its started.
In general there is nothing more frustrated than having two polar opposite buttons close together on any interface ( classic save and delete )

Like the already existand Enable/Disable button on firewall filter, nat, interfaces, etc.

The worst is (I know the existance of safe mode)
"Remove" button under "Copy" on WinBox: too much close and DO NOT ASK CONFIRMATION

then

"Disable" button between "Apply" and just over "Comment" on WinBox: too much close and DO NOT ASK CONFIRMATION

then on SwOS

"Reset Configuration" button near to "Save Backup" on SwOS: too much close and DO NOT ASK CONFIRMATION

Why do not fix that?

anav · Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:54 pm

Yes one would think that "L"ogical and "L"atvia both starting with the letter "L" would somehow ensure such changes need not be asked for. :-)
Perhaps if we were discussing "L"ikrotik products...................

For a one time bonus of $50,000 worth of Mikrotik equipment I will gladly conduct a small project to improve Mikrotik HF (MMI) design.
Sub contracted to you of course for $40,000 I only want $10,000 (EUROS of course). :-)

Zacharias · Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:04 pm

I ve noticed that as soon as you open Winbox, if there is for example the Log Window open, or anyother window, if you press the ESC button multiple times the Winbox will close too...
Which did not happen with the previous version...

I use saved sessions so that as soon as i enter winbox, certain windows are alreay open... Pressing multiple times the ESC button closes the Winbox itself...

xvo · Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:19 pm

Why do not fix that?

I guess that's intentionally made for people who miss playing minesweeper :)

mozerd · Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:38 pm

I ve noticed that as soon as you open Winbox, if there is for example the Log Window open, or anyother window, if you press the ESC button multiple times the Winbox will close too...
Which did not happen with the previous version...

@Zacharias
I do not see the behavior you're reporting.
My Winbox v 3.29 is running under Windows 21H1 19043.1165 Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3530.0

Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:45 am

who had the "wonderful" idea of swap STOP and CLOSE buttons ??

i am accidentally closing many times because of that change

retunrning to 3.28 because of that

trolling-winbox.jpg

Kindis · Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:25 am

I have a similar issue with the addition of Window button. This added button messes with my musclememory so when I want to start a new Winbox I now click Exit instead.
Can we not move the Exit button further down?

karlisi · Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 am

Or move Windows button to top, where it resides in other Windows software. Just on right of session or between it and Safe Mode button

pe1chl · Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:57 am

Or move Windows button to top, where it resides in other Windows software. Just on right of session or between it and Safe Mode button

Yes, I would have expected (and preferred) the "windows" buttons to appear in the top bar next to "session". Maybe even as separate buttons until there are too many to fit, and then replace them with that single button that you need to expand first.

Zacharias · Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:44 pm

I ve noticed that as soon as you open Winbox, if there is for example the Log Window open, or anyother window, if you press the ESC button multiple times the Winbox will close too...
Which did not happen with the previous version...
@Zacharias
I do not see the behavior you're reporting.
not later...

The problem does not appear if you have a saved session but there is no window open as soon as you login...
But if there is already a window open, as soon as you login, and you press ESC it will exit from winbox... ( i do not mean to open a window when you login and then press ESC, am talking for a window that is already open when you logged in )

I ve tested from different computers to different devices... the behaviour is always the same...

Guscht · Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:08 pm

WHAT THE F*CK MIKROTIK?!?!?!?!

HOW CAN ANYONE BE SADISTIC IN SUCH A WAY?? START -> CLOSE
I CLICKED "CLOSE" NOW 1000000000 TIMES INSTEAD OF STOP.

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pe1chl · Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:06 pm

W.r.t. the "mouse dragging problem", I now have found that I can only reproduce it with an existing session file (.viw file) that exhibits the problem.

Today I tested on a Windows 10 system and again when I copy the .viw file from the sessions directory from my Linux system to the Windows 10 system it immediately shows the same problem.
Copying the other files (settings.cfg.viw and Addresses.cdb) does not change anything, even with the "new" settings.cfg.viw and the copied .viw file in the sessions directory the problem is reproduced.

infabo · Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:55 pm

The same guy that moved these buttons around must have inverted "/export hide-sensitive" to "/export show-sensitive". Hopefully the did not hire an UX-expert - if I were in that position I would take my 5 things and run run run run :D

anav · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:46 am

The same guy that moved these buttons around must have inverted "/export hide-sensitive" to "/export show-sensitive". Hopefully the did not hire an UX-expert - if I were in that position I would take my 5 things and run run run run :D

OH MY PHUCK............ you are not kidding.
Just checked on my wireguard device...................shows everything..............

anav · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:47 am

NORMIS: Note to self, dont let the gui guys drink so much vodka before work.

Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:29 am

I wonder how sources of WinBox are organized that "adding selection window...." touches placement of buttons in totaly separated parts of gui-system and how it is connected to "hide-sensitive" parts?

Chupaka · Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:48 pm

NORMIS: Note to self, dont let the gui guys drink so much vodka before work.

https://xkcd.com/323/

anav · Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:41 pm

NORMIS: Note to self, dont let the gui guys drink so much vodka before work.
https://xkcd.com/323/

Chupaka that is priceless. You are amazing!!

Looks like I was mistaken, I used 3.29 on my beta firmware to check out my wireguard router and all the items including keys were exposed using hide-sensitive.. SInce I dont have wireguard on a regular firmware hard to test but will take the word of smarter folks than me that it works fine on regular firmware.
My apologies to the gui programmers, but I bet there are a few bottles at work stashed somewhere. ;-)

Ratatouille · Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:17 pm

While we are discussing Winbox issues and improvements, it would be great to have the capability to (i) minimise the side bar to just the icons and (ii) expand to the icons + descriptive text, just like these left-hand sidebar examples from the new Chrome-based Windows Edge browser (also just like how it is in Google Cloud Console).

Screen 'real-estate' is at a real premium within a Winbox session when one is working with multiple sessions opened side-by-side on a small laptop screen, particularly in the field, or even on a medium-sized desk-top monitor.

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dewatuak · Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:42 am

Previously, when running Torch and double-clicking a line in the results, Torch was stopped and IP address under mouse cursor copied to corresponding field (src. or dst. address) where it was easily accessible. Now I can't repeat that. Is it WinBox 3.29 or my MacOS?..

got same problem on windows 10.

CoMMyz · Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:34 pm

Downgraded. Sorry but the stop/close button change is the WORST - so many times mistaken closed the window instead of stopping...

rextended · Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:39 pm

The best choice is to put the button every time in a random position, on that way, everytime we have to read what is written, instead of clicking like trained monkeys ...

anav · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:27 pm

The best choice is in a random position, in this way every time we read what is written before clicking ...

Jajajaja, Are you going to propose in Italy that the red light and green light and yellow traffic signals randomly change position too??

Okay just a joke. Yes you are right it will slow people down, to ensure they make the right decision but that does not cut it in the real world which is make things more efficient and faster and logical.
Lets say you are an Italian fisherman whose boat is sinking, the water is rough and the Italian helicopter is approaching to drop you a life raft.
The operator is selecting the drop button but oops its not
a. on the top most menu quickly available for selection as one would expect
b. it is randomly placed in a 3 layer menu selection
c. it is randomly placed within a 10x20 matrix grid of buttons

OH NO, the helicopter dropped the life raft 1000metres away and the poor fisherman sinks below the waves.
But at least rextended the IT Networking guru is content that he got his wish and critical buttons were randomly placed.

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rextended · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:35 pm

Probably the fisherman is rescued from some immigrant boat...

The right answer is always the same: like start/stop on same button...
The technology is already present like Simple Mode / Advanced Mode on Wireless interface...

icsterm · Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:05 pm

Somethig is badly wrong with this version, everytime I try to add side widgets such as cpu load, memory load, current time, etc., the app closes itself from taskbar.
Also it happens 10-20% of times when trying to minimize the window to taskbar.
I've cleaned %appdata%/roaming/Mikrotik and I've also netinstalled my hap ac2 with 7.1rc2, there is a bug in the code I believe.

After all these crashes, the router remains with hanged sessions which are impossible to clear without a reboot:

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nescafe2002 · Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:14 pm

icsterm, is this happening on v7.1rc2 or at least v7? I have already reported this behavior (SUP-58300, Stalled entries in active Winbox session list & wrong session removed from session list on logout) - reproduced and will be fixed. Not only after crashes, after all disconnects.

icsterm · Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:07 pm

@nescafe2002
I only upgraded since 7.1rc1, it's an older bug for sure (I've not tested 3.28 nor previous 7.x builds).
Couting my sessions it seems that indeed, disconnecting does not clear active sessions.

nescafe2002 · Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:12 pm

Okay I have no problems WinBox 3.29 connecting to 6.48.3, that's why I think it's related to v7.

Zacharias · Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:04 pm

*) added separate "Show Columns" window for list of visible columns;

It would be nice if we could scroll down the list ...

pe1chl · Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:11 pm

*) added separate "Show Columns" window for list of visible columns;
It would be nice if we could scroll down the list ...

Or better when it would use multiple columns to fit everything without scrolling, when possible.

Zacharias · Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:40 pm

It would be nice if we could scroll down the list ...
Or better when it would use multiple columns to fit everything without scrolling, when possible.

Yes, maybe that would be good too...

parham · Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:05 pm

who had the "wonderful" idea of swap STOP and CLOSE buttons ??

i am accidentally closing many times because of that change

retunrning to 3.28 because of that

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Super annoying, please reverse it back to the right way. Thanks 🙏

Hominidae · Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:41 pm

WHAT THE F*CK MIKROTIK?!?!?!?!

HOW CAN ANYONE BE SADISTIC IN SUCH A WAY?? START -> CLOSE
I CLICKED "CLOSE" NOW 1000000000 TIMES INSTEAD OF STOP.

+1
remembers me at the good old days, and sophisticated win modal dialoges "YES means NO and NO means YES. Would you like to *not* fomat your disk now? YES | NO"

rextended · Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:07 pm

The best choice is to put the button every time in a random position, on that way, everytime we have to read what is written, instead of clicking like trained monkeys ...

rextended · Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:10 pm

remembers me at the good old days, and sophisticated win modal dialoges "YES means NO and NO means YES. Would you like to *not* fomat your disk now? YES | NO"

Better Apple, simply has removed choices, someone has already decided what is better for you...

msatter · Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:30 pm

Request delay on start. I have happening when I double click the line in the list of devices in Winbox that I often happens that the second click also clicks a menu button on the left in main Winbox screen. The result is that for example the Make support.rif or any other button that is positioned under the mouse cursor.

jo2jo · Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:29 am

thanks for the update! ive been waiting since early ros v2.x for the ability to re-organize winbox columns!! thank you so much MT, and please, PLEASE keep working on and improving winbox- it is the MOST critical Mikrotik software (right after rOS itself).

abis · Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:49 pm

Almost all applications use tabs, I wonder why not here :-)
Or you could put the Exit button at the bottom, and Windows just below New WinBox. You could also consider better optimization when using Zoom In, for example I use Zoom in to the maximum.
Also the scroll seems to remain a mystery in the application (in certain areas only), this makes me sad :-(

It's a plus anyway, but I know you can do a lot more! I greet you!

yarda · Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:24 pm

Please reverse your change that moved close below start in all the tools. PLEASE keep stop below start. It has wasted a significant amount of time already

Yes it is stupidity change moving down position of buttons !!! I am angry !

rextended · Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:27 pm

Is stupidity also click on button without know what the button does...

If something must be doed, simply must be used one unique [Start | Stop] button like [Simple Mode | Advanced Mode] on Wireless interface...

fs0c13ty · Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:23 pm

Hi.
I found an issue in winbox 3.29. when you upload a file into "File List" window into some directory, file name comes with full path. but when you change the file's directory it will remain the same. unless you reopen the "File List" window.

in my test i changed un-befor-migration.tar file into skins and returning back to rook directory.

and also confirming viewtopic.php?f=1&t=178341#p878254

nmt1900 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:34 pm

When will built-in "Manual" section be directed to new documentation page? If open TOC in "Manual" window and click the link to new documentation page in it, Winbox just crashes...

emils · Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:13 pm

WinBox v3.30 released:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=178384

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