100% right, Mikrotik WiFi 5 Driver Never lefts Beta Stadium, so please don’t cry for WiFi 6, buy something elsewhere if you want to use it nowMikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO
Before I buy any new mikrotik radio I would like to see:I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
No. With wireless it is about HW, too. Actual HW done for WISPs shows speed and features we need in 2020. It takes a big/long invest to build this. So I guess MT has done a good business decision and concentrate on CCR, CRS, ...It's mainly about software. And the software we all have outdated (from Mikrotik)
V7 - no changes yet.
We are waiting for the spectral scan from 2014, and others ...
Still waiting....
Cambium Epmp 3000/3000L + Mikrotik: SXTLite, LHG, DISC (802.11N only)2Jarek,
Which cambium with which Mikrotik?
We use this too, terrifying how bad ROS isNow use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbeThe RB4011 successor should have ax.
On that note, I just ordered a ccr2004 for home.....Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbeThe RB4011 successor should have ax.
Im sure the isp's that deliver 10gbit to the house are going to be interested.
I'm using [redacted] and their hand off is an sfp+ which i plugged in to a crs305...
As Mikrotik is unable to face to others manufactures with their current wifi performance, I don't believe that Mikrotik will implement wifi6 at all.Still waiting....
As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it. As they have not fixed problems in years and keeping doing things like always, the result is also like always.
Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
New Mikrotik products are all IPQ40XX based which has a built-in WiFi chip so they can just attach the antennas and voila a new WiFi/LTE router ready to be sold.As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it.
I second this and 10000% SUPPORT this fact for MikroTik to hire bpwl. I will even contribute towards the crowd source. [as I previously pledged]Unless Normis & Co, hire bpwl to start writing legible documentation and more importantly help the coders apply a logical approach to 'Tuning' existing wifi and future wifi, and assist in the move to other newer wifi generations, the MT wifi product line will continue to frustrate most users. We dont need to eke the last 10mbps out of wifi, we need to get to 90% easily and have it be stable.
I am more and more convinced that MT only puts extra effort into the enterprise wisp performance/equipment, to the detriment of all 'home' wifi.
I wasn't sure if beamforming made the list. Apparently it does.I think beamforming (the explicit/standard 802.11ac one) is more important than MU-MIMO because it focuses the signal to clients and thus they can negotiate better data rates with the AP. Although MU-MIMO can help on a four chain radio (like the RB4011 or the Audience) with several devices using the connection constantly.
WiFi 4 works with interference.I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
But Mikrotik's radios don't deal with interference as well as other vendors.WiFi 4 works with interference.I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
@gotsprings, you are being very kind ..... In the modern world -- for the G7 nations -- and in the wireless realm MikroTik wireless is unable to compete. But perhaps its existing product lineup satisfies its current supply chain so there is no reason to be concerned. If its supply chain complained then that would be a different story..
Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
Have you noticed any difference with RouterOS v7.1.x?They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.
The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.
We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
Haven´t chipset vendors usually have something like a kind of default design for access points which can be used?We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
You are right, but it will take more then2 mistry7
Why does it have to take 2 years? We don't need Mikrotik's NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn't it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik's ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
Well, with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code. So, this problem should be solved in the future.Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
Finally, maybe we can have spectral scanning in 802.11ac/ax equipmentwith RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code
Great, what lucky guy you are! About 1 year after MikroTik started selling the Audience they showed you grace and offer you a development firmware with first official chipset vendors binary firmware files with 802.11v and 802.11w! I can´t believe how lucky your are...For those who are complaining [...]
100% agree!
Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.
Sorry nannou you dont know shit.So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?
So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
I like your logic. I have the same hardware, but not yet working with the 7 series code.For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some "relatively cheap" wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.
Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no "capacity" issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.
I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in "crowd" are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not "cheap" wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.
Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!
My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtuallyThis hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
Hi,Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtuallyThis hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.
So for critical connectivity dont agree.
1st you should calm down mateSorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.
There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
That's not how IPv6 works.And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
Well, how bout this post........................ sounds like the same sort of crap to me, buy product then pay more to get functionality!!!So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?
So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Hello,
You will not be able to create a virtual wlan interface as it is supported with license lvl4, but the Disc lite 5 comes with lvl3. You will need to upgrade your license if you want to implement those features:
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:L ... nse_Levels
re: I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.\I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.WHere are the 60hz smartphones
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.WHere are the 60hz smartphones
It does work if user only cares about internet and there's LOS between device and base station (forget about 600Mbps when in toilet or wine cellar). OTOH if one has home LAN with services reserved for LAN users, wifi will still be a viable option. But I guess WiFi7 AP might as well look like a 5G base station technology-wise.If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Wenn I get 500 MBit/s to 700 MBit/s of TCP download throughput when 50 to 60 clients are concurrently connected and downloading on one single MikroTik 802.11ax access point, I might call it good someday in the future:Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!
This is why the hAP ac3 is a tough sell, because I'd prefer a 802.11ax version, but considering how soon it was released and how soon it will actually be in stock, it might be months or a year before anything newer comes around.But with Mikrotik, you just really don't know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor's APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month... or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely...
Considering WiFi AC2 MU-MIMO, is in the development branch of RouterOS 6 YEARS after ratification...This is why the hAP ac3 is a tough sell, because I'd prefer a 802.11ax version, but considering how soon it was released and how soon it will actually be in stock, it might be months or a year before anything newer comes around.But with Mikrotik, you just really don't know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor's APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month... or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely...
It's sad but true.Before I buy any new mikrotik radio I would like to see:I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
1)Stable ROS for 802.11AC wave 1 (randomly reboot if firewall & WMM use pure 802.11 ofc).
2)Mu-mimo for mikrotik 802.11AC wave 2 ARM devices 3 years & still can't use this hardware full potential.
3)Maybe real TDMA protocol like cambium or not..... its impossible for mikrotik. Just fix old hardware nothing more than basic functions.
Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
No there is not a lot of worry about Mikrotik "suddenly releasing a much better product next month."
Regarding the fact MikroTik has not even a device with full ac/WiFi 5 support and no ax/WiFi 6 device in the pipeline there is not much chance to see a WiFi6E device soon.When 6E products are available and shipping, I plan/hope to add around 1-hundred Wi-Fi 6E APs to my towers which will co-exist next to our existing hundred-plus 5-GHz APs.
MT always rolled its own WiFi drivers instead of using those form chip vendors. I suspect the dramatically increased complexity of recent WiFi standards brings much troubles to this approach.
Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.
Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
That's simply not true. There are literally a dozen WiFi6 products on the market with rather mundane multi-chain configurations including 8 diploes poking out of the body. If you look at breakdowns of some devices, they are just using PCBs with raised elements.Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.
Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
No wake up. It is no longer the original company, no one's eyes are shining anymore. Nor was it originally a Radio company. These are mid-level routerboards with interesting features. This line is great. Now there is a lot of money and the next step is just to make more money in conveyor mode with the old radio technique. Can employees make their own Radio challenges and products? Are there many who are interested in it? Are they communicating with us?Time to wake up. To use wifi6 8x8, 12x12 outside, you will need a special antenna array. Which you will absolutely never see with a manufacturer like mikrotik.
For a wISP, WiFi6 is the largest single improvement *ever* in wireless performance on single streams, then stacking 4x4 and 8x8 radio options with 2 way MU-MIMO.....
Now stack on an extra Ghz in WiFi6E.
Would love to see mikrotik lead the charge on this.
You need to integrate the antenna with the radio chip. See how medusa from cambium does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrb3aIFwWTM
Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forumIt would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forumIt would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
What did they answer to you, when did you write to them?Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forumIt would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Hey what a good idea. Been there & done that a few times & I still have no idea if/when a Wi-Fi 6E is going to happen.
A year ago, I received some emails from Mikrotik.What did they answer to you, when did you write to them?Re: ... Contact support@mikrotik.com ...Contact support@mikrotik.com directly instead of asking on users forumIt would be welcome to hear any official information from Mikrotik on Wi-Fi 6E.
Hey what a good idea. Been there & done that a few times & I still have no idea if/when a Wi-Fi 6E is going to happen.
AC Wave2 on the Audience got me the best performance I have seen out of a Mikrotik radio.any news here as ROS 7 RC releases come much more often, than beta releases
Much worse: Not even 802.11k/v/r support for WiFi5.Seems that the WiFi is godforsaken.
No 802.11ax , no wifi 6E.
Ok, message undestood, Mikrotik. You have leave us.
I've also been waiting for anything new or any news from Mikrotik that is 6 GHz and/or Wi-Fi 6e ( 5.925 MHz to 7.125 MHz ) (( indoor and/or outdoor products ))@mikrotik
PLEASE give us any future prospects!!
I do not want to see mikrotik getting thrown out of the installations!
I can confirm that absolutely == NOTHING can beet Netgear Oribi WiFi 6E -- performance and reliability ... however the Oribi is expensive Very expensive and YES quite a few -- in the financial upper class - a buying this product.the Netgear WiFi 6E is currently dominating the home-residential WiFi 6E market. We have found the Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E product is the fastest of the fastest of the fastest for home wireless Mesh products available anywhere. Currently if you have a large home where no single wireless AP can cover the entire home, then the Orbi is the only fast working solution.
Don't know much about "Flexing Hard"What I have noticed of the course of 2021 and people flexing hard about getting 802.11ax APs for their network. When you ask them about the devices on their network and **their 802.11ax support** turns out most of the wifi devices don't even have the support. So right now putting 802.11ax in a location really hasn't been a high priority of my customers because the majority of their laptops or other wifi devices don't support it. They don't see the benefit of replacing all their 802.11ac access points for less than 5% device support.
So having a 100% 802.11ax supported network is great so as long as it actually can be used by devices that support it. Otherwise you just replace a bunch of 802.11ac devices for the sake of saying "I gots wifi6"
... by the end of the year ...Looking at the tea leaves, my guess is that MT will provide their RoS in combo with wifi6 or at least announce products by the end of the year,,,,,,,, which is not unreasonable considering supply chains etc.......
They seem to be very calculating in what they do and chasing technology is a very expensive proposition and MT is not about risk taking to that degree.
Their focus was on improving existing wifi5 products available, perhaps the wrong strategy, who knows, instead of focusing efforts on wifi6. Their call, but IMHO misguided.
Hopefully now they can switch gears...........
I have run WiFi Wave 2 drivers on my Audience for months now.I am no fanboy, but Audience may fit best out of all MT APs. It may even receive wave2 somewhen in the far future.
I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.
I have said it for years...I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.
As gotsprings said, now you can get wifi6 APs, why step backwards?
I just bought the mother-in-law a TPlink archer ax55 wifi router, no vlans, but she has a flat subnet, so she gets rocking wifi performance (+wpa3 whatever that is) and for not much more than $100 bucks, on sale.
I have 600Mbit/s plus at any given time, and max drops from corners maybe a dozen meters away gives me a reduction to 450MBit/s. On an Asus RC-87U I bought in 2017. It is not always about speed, but also about safer hardware and despite me updating that one every time Asus release a FW, I am pretty sure the hardware development in 5 years makes for a safer network, once properly configured. Also an Audience is better looking for visible placement. I wouldn't need a full RoS on that one either, but you configure it according to your needs and just leave the rest of the options in peace.I would not give up my tplink eap245 AP for an audience, tested yesterday, 619/499 up on my iphone test to the internet through ookla.
Does vlans, stable etc. Yes I miss the flexibility of RoS, but do I really need it for an AP, not really.
As gotsprings said, now you can get wifi6 APs, why step backwards?
"Rejoice that ye have found it and rest from endless war
for the seven-naméd city 'tis that stands upon the hill,
where all who strive with Morgoth find hope and valour still."
The Lay of the Fall of Gondolin
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@secCon"Rejoice that ye have found it and rest from endless war
for the seven-naméd city 'tis that stands upon the hill,
where all who strive with Morgoth find hope and valour still."
The Lay of the Fall of Gondolin
I would agree if it was hundreds of units in a complex setup. This is not. It is one.2016 is only 6 years back. Never change a running wifi. Somewhat
USB as a protocol is pretty bad for networking. With the pps and Mbps requirement of a modern WiFi it's not really wise to go that route. In addition the vast majority of WiFi SoCs are PCI-Ex based so making USB adapters for them would require additional USB => PCI-Ex bridges. This isn't a good route. MT used to support such devices and stability even in the 802.11g times was very questionable.In the list of supported devices, I see lots of LTE modems USB but no wifi6 or 7 USB devices supported.
802.11ax/WiFi 6 is a huge conceptual shift with a lot of "under the hood" cleanup in comparison to 802.11ac/WiFi 5 but it doesn't address a lot of capacity problems. In contrast WiFi 6E opens a new band but it's conceptually not that different from WiFi 6, so it's adoption is more limited by hardware than software. MT dragged their feet for way too long with internal WiFI stack instead of using manufacturer's-provided one. This was great in the 802.11g/n times when they could pull things like NV2 - it didn't pay off in 802.11ac. RB4011 is a GREAT example of that: amazing wave2 hardware choked by the software being unable to utilize it to the full potential.I'm confused as to why there isn't a mikrotik supported AX chipset coming down the line. It should allow us to utilize higher QAM rates and cram more data thru the same frequency space right?
To bridge that sort of gap, others have had success with breaking up crowded 5GHz (through allowing use of less transmission power / antenna gain), by some combination of tactics such as:Re: 6E ( Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )
The ISP/WISP I work for is federally recognized as tribal sovereign nation. We have a huge need for a reliable and fast communication system ( including Internet ). Our 5-GHz WISP system was nearly saturated a year ago. When the Covid-19 pandemic started in early 2020, we experienced a huge increase in customer bandwidth demands ( on-line education, health care ... ).
There are only two technology methods to add additional bandwidth to our clients here inside the reservation we serve:
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Until 6E products are available and shipping, we will continue installing fiber-to-the-home as fast as we can.
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A wireless router ( Mikrotik ? ) 6e full-power or any power would help most customers with in-home wireless routers ( especially multiple wireless routers in a large home ).I was in a webinar last week where they said that 6e wasn't approved for full power outside yet.
Need to see if I can locate the slide.
I thought when you mentioned your wisp that you were hoping to use 6E as the transmission method TOO the sites. I didn't understand you were talking about the LAN devicesA wireless router ( Mikrotik ? ) 6e full-power or any power would help most customers with in-home wireless routers ( especially multiple wireless routers in a large home ).I was in a webinar last week where they said that 6e wasn't approved for full power outside yet.
Need to see if I can locate the slide.
Well, there were some signs of something in the firmware strings and supported hardware by wave2 etc. but we have seen all these for years without Mikrotik even mentioning WIFI6 anywhere in any of the newsletters or any other official documents.So with "2ghz-ax" and "5ghz-ax" we can guess that something is coming, lets hope that this something comes soon
I believe the Orbi 6e is likely the fastest home WiFi mesh system possible in a larger home. Also , it can operate with 160 MHz wide channels in the 6-GHz frequency ranges - low noise and low chance of rogue noise sources.From and OEM perspective 6E is where all the action is ... From a consumer perspective - in Asia, and Canada/USA 6E is flying off the shelves but supply is very limited so prices remain high -- Netgear Orbi 960 Series leads the 6E parade by a country mile ....
Only on the most recent android phones. AFAIK, only the Galazy S22 ultra and + do. iPhone 13 doesn't.Tom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
YESTom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
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"chains"=$chains;
"isAc"=$isAc;
"isN"=$isN;
"isAd"=$isAd;
"isAy"=$isAy;
"isAx"=$isAx;
"frequencyMode"=$frequency
}
:if ($board->"model"~"LHG|Disc|nRAY|ATLGM") do={
:if ($numWils > 0) do={
:set configMode "w60g_bridge";
Your remark is really interesting. I hope we see some of that soon in actionWhile investigating, I found some interesting lines in the defconf genarator config in the latest firmware.
It looks like Mikrotik is really preparing for ax.Code: Select all:set ($outArray->"w$cardNext") { "chains"=$chains; "isAc"=$isAc; "isN"=$isN; "isAd"=$isAd; "isAy"=$isAy; "isAx"=$isAx; "frequencyMode"=$frequency }
I also found this:Anyone knows what ATLGM is? At least it has 60G radio.Code: Select all:if ($board->"model"~"LHG|Disc|nRAY|ATLGM") do={ :if ($numWils > 0) do={ :set configMode "w60g_bridge";
This?Anyone knows what ATLGM is? At least it has 60G radio.
Keep on hoping.Any update?
Your remark is really interesting. I hope we see some of that soon in action
Still waiting for the devices WiFi6 from Mikrotik.
i bought other brand WiFi6 for Mesh but there are bugs.
Hope Mikrotik release WIFI6 soon.
nah, you've got it all wrong. WiFi6 is fully mature. OFDMA is a dramatic improvement that has been vetted in production for a couple of years now. The wISP industry is way behind the curve on this. It already handles backwards compatibility well by simply running in OFDM when there are older clients, and no reason you can light up a pure WiFi6 AP just like you would a 6E and get OFDMA (which should be the preferred method).i think wifi6 will be a rough travel on any vendor and client devices in general because of OFDM-A and other new Features, there is a lot of opportunity for problems to arise
if we add to this the interoperability with wifi5 and wifi4 devices which in many scenarios will be the majority of client devices base, we can see that deployment of wifi6 even if it starts today it will take years to take full advantage of their improvements
i think wifi6 improvements will be much more effective in wifi6E deployments where there is no need for interoperability with legacy devices, but wifi 6E adoption in client devices will be limited to high end for a while and it will take several years to be mainstream (in the countries which approved spectrum for this)
so the only thing that is mainstream is HYPE so let's fuel it up:
WiFi 6 get's them >90% of 6E, 6E *is* WiFi 6, just operating in 6Ghz and using the upcoming AFC services. WiFi7 will be bound by those same AFC rules for outdoor. There's still lots of life left in 5Ghz with OFDMA, it's a new lease on life for it.Well agreed, MT should be working on 6E and 7 and bypass 6 entirely to get back into the game. By the time they have initial 6, everyone will already have 6 at home with mature software looking at 6E and 7 with mouth watering ...................
WiFi 6 get's them >90% of 6E, 6E *is* WiFi 6, just operating in 6Ghz and using the upcoming AFC services. WiFi7 will be bound by those same AFC rules for outdoor. There's still lots of life left in 5Ghz with OFDMA, it's a new lease on life for it.Well agreed, MT should be working on 6E and 7 and bypass 6 entirely to get back into the game. By the time they have initial 6, everyone will already have 6 at home with mature software looking at 6E and 7 with mouth watering ...................
WiFi7 is minor improvements over WiFi6/E at modulation and RU scheduling, but it's main improvement is multi-channel support. ie, running a 'single' connection across multiple bands and radios and aggregating that into a layer2 link. ultimate channel bonding. I don't want to downplay WiFi7, AP coordination, more MUMIMO streams, better retransition model, each of these and more are little 5% improvements that will add up too.....
The real problem...Some people think that a bidet is cool...........
But really all people want is a stable reasonable throughput wifi........ that wifi6 actually offers.
LMFAO.......The real problem...Some people think that a bidet is cool...........
But really all people want is a stable reasonable throughput wifi........ that wifi6 actually offers.
Some really smart people seem all too willing to drink out of the bidet.
IMO , I think we are loosing potential sales of customer in-home wireless routers because Mikrotik does not have any WiFi 6E devices.
Here is an example where the ORBI WiFi 6E shines.
- A customer or business ( or you ) has a large area or home to cover with WiFi.
- No single WiFi AP can cover the entire area and deliver high speed to everybody at the same time
- Multiple APs are needed ( qty 3 WiFi APs may be needed to cover the entire area and you want/need Ceee ( 80 Mhz wide channel widths ).
- For three APs you will need three 80 MHZ wide channels for APs and an additional 80 MHz wide channel for a WDS link ( there is no ethernet in the building ).
- For four wireless networks , you need/want four non-overlapping 80 MHz channels. Whoops --- There is not enough 5 GHz spectrum to support four non-overlapping Ceee 80 MHz wide channels !!!
- With WiFi 6E , you have the additional 6 GHz spectrum and part of the lower portion of 7 GHz. So now you can easily configure four 80-MHz non-overlapping channels. ( or more ... ).
- With WiFi 6E , everybody in a large home runs much much faster than you can possibly achieve using Mikrotik 5-GHz devices.
The difference in speed between WiFi 6E and legacy WiFi 5 GHz APs is similar to the difference in speed between 2.4 GHz and legacy 5 GHz APs.
The Netgear Orbi WiFi 6E mesh system totally rocks in large areas where multiple APs are needed
I am beginning to wonder why Mikrotik has ignored WiFi 6E and continues with legacy 5 GHz only products ???
*** Heck , even my cell phones support WiFi 6E wireless connection ... but not to any Mikrotik products at this time.
I have been waiting for Mikrotik to come out with WiFi 6E products for years now ... still nothing, so until Mikrotik does, I am forced look at non-Mikrotik products where WiFi 6E is needed.
Wi-Fi 6E operates in the legacy 5 GHz spectrum and also operates in the 6 GHz band from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz. The Wi-Fi Alliance has allocated 1200 MHz of spectrum from 5.925 to 7.125 GHz
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Don't be afraid of the water.I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
Why would you assume it is supported in Caps-Man?I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
In the YouTube comments, Mikrotik said Capsman support is coming soon. That is good news. I was worried capsman was being left behind with the talk of developing a new Devices Controller.Why would you assume it is supported in Caps-Man?I know Normis only released a wifi6 version so that I would have to learn capsman!
It has WAVE2 drivers and AX. What about that says Caps-Man to you?
Plus the video claims that Nomis is using it as a router...
They do now, and still limited Wifi 6E progress from Mikrotik...(apple still dont support 6E)
Guessing 2.4Ghz ax chips are cheap. But might be nice way to get ethernet from a carrier's LTE hotspot (since most have USB but no ethernet) – that is assuming the USB isn't for powering only.L41GXD/ hAP ax lite/L41G-2axD Why ?
"The chipset looks to be the MediaTek MT7981B"'ax chips from qualcomm are pretty cheap.
I have a Unifi Enterprise AP with an SSID set to 6Ghz and a unique SSID tied only to it along with a Google Pixel 6. I can confirm it does not detect the WIFI 6E SSID.YESTom mozerd, can todays smartphones connect to wifi6e?
There are some smartphones that support Wi-Fi 6E.
Such as:
Google Pixel 6
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra
Redmagic 6s Pro
Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3
Motorola Edge (2021)
Pixel 6 Pro
Asus Zenfone 8
ROG Phone 5s
However - at this time , there are zero 6E smartphones ( or any 6E devices anywhere ) that can make a Wi-Fi 6E connection to any Mikrotik products ( because Mikrotik does not have any 6E products ).
try setting the same ssid available on 5ghz and 2ghz radioI have a Unifi Enterprise AP with an SSID set to 6Ghz and a unique SSID tied only to it along with a Google Pixel 6. I can confirm it does not detect the WIFI 6E SSID.
The post indicated a "Google Pixel 6" and "Pixel 6 Pro", you have a Pixel 6 Pro that works with 6GHZ, great, I'm saying the Google Pixel 6 (not Pro) does not detect 6GHZ SSID and thus is not WiFi 6E. Edit: I take that back, apparently this AP requires POE++ or it shuts off the 6ghz radio... It works on my Pixel 6.Not sure I understand the post above me...
I have a Cambium XE3-4. And I can confirm that my Google Pixel 6 Pro connects to the 6E from my wireless access point.
Mikrotik RB5009 + Mikrotik CRS326-24G+2S-RM + Mikrotik S+RJ10 + Cambium L142A + Cambium XE3-4
My phone also connected to a Netgear WAX630E on 6GHZ.
if you enable only on 6ghz client device can opt to not search all the 6ghz channelsThe post indicated a "Google Pixel 6" and "Pixel 6 Pro", you have a Pixel 6 Pro that works with 6GHZ, great, I'm confirming my Google Pixel 6 (not Pro) does not detect my 6GHZ SSID.Not sure I understand the post above me...
I have a Cambium XE3-4. And I can confirm that my Google Pixel 6 Pro connects to the 6E from my wireless access point.
Mikrotik RB5009 + Mikrotik CRS326-24G+2S-RM + Mikrotik S+RJ10 + Cambium L142A + Cambium XE3-4
My phone also connected to a Netgear WAX630E on 6GHZ.