Various reasons. I have a sim from work that I might like to use occasionally, it has less data but is a more reliable network. I also have a mikrotik at a remote property that I like to use with deals I got on sims. Also when I'm at that remote property it would be handy to be able to put my work sim in while I'm there.Maybe I miss something, but why do you need to access the device more than once? I’ve set up a number of these for a local rural community - they’ve all been running on a data plan on the same SIM for 2 years (apart from one where the SIM died for some reason).
Which is why I wrote "or other mikrotik device". I thought I read of an "eSIM in a SIM" which was basically a SIM card that could be programmed over the air. Not sure if it was a single provider or I was just misunderstanding their website. It was a bit vague. But that is why I am asking the question.eSIM is not something you "use with a device", it is something that is "built into a device".
So you would need to wait for a Mikrotik device "that has eSIM" to be announced and you would need to replace your current SXT or at least the LTE modem board.
(I don't think it is easily replaced in the SXT as it is in some other MikroTik LTE routers)
I think it is a different thing. Look at what mkx already wrote, but in addition I can tell: we recently bought a number of Dell laptops with 4G and they came with a generic SIM card in the slot that according to Dell could be registered at any provider. But our provider (T-Mobile NL) could not use them, we had to insert the usual SIM cards we receive from them. However, they do support eSIM.I thought I read of an "eSIM in a SIM" which was basically a SIM card that could be programmed over the air. Not sure if it was a single provider or I was just misunderstanding their website. It was a bit vague. But that is why I am asking the question.
Was it this one ? https://en.comgate.io/esim/Which is why I wrote "or other mikrotik device". I thought I read of an "eSIM in a SIM" which was basically a SIM card that could be programmed over the air. Not sure if it was a single provider or I was just misunderstanding their website. It was a bit vague. But that is why I am asking the question.
Yeah that was itWas it this one ? https://en.comgate.io/esim/Which is why I wrote "or other mikrotik device". I thought I read of an "eSIM in a SIM" which was basically a SIM card that could be programmed over the air. Not sure if it was a single provider or I was just misunderstanding their website. It was a bit vague. But that is why I am asking the question.
Yeah, you're likely right as it's likely not going to be that easy to switch back and forward. My device has 2 SIM slots and you can switch in software but I need the other SIM to travel with me also.
And, it probably is not a solution for your problem anyway. I think there are other models with 2 or even 3 SIM slots, maybe that is more useful.
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I think there is potential for some confusion, reading that article it appears that this company uses the name eSIM for something else.Yeah that was itWas it this one ? https://en.comgate.io/esim/
"The eSIM is available in different formats, namely: the embedded version, but also as a regular 3-in-1 plastic sim shape (ejectable nano, micro and normal)"
I just thought of a possible solution. Surely the sim card has some sort of serial interface that is pretty low speed. All we need is a way to send that serial data over ethernet and have a device inside the home that can take a sim card. Basically just build a device that plugs into the network and the mikrotik on the roof can read whatever information it reads from the sim card from the remote device instead. If they can build their own protocols like mesh and EoIP then surely they can manage a slow serial connection over ethernet. And the great thing from Mikrotik POV is only the users who want it pay for it. This would be the best of both worlds and would be an industry leading feature.I'm not saying that for users like yourself easy provision of different MNOs/plans/whatever is not important, I can very well imagine it's highly important sometimes. I'm just saying that users like you are a tiny minority of all users and as such possibly commercially not important to equipment vendors.
And I'm not saying MT should not introduce some eSIM models, I'm just commenting on probability of this happening, that's all. I think that transition to all-eSIM would make unhappy many more users than it would make happy. All that while having double number of device models is driving manufacturing costs higher which would make all users unhappy.
I agree with what you said and with the way to solve the problem, not like mkx's which is just sterile controversy as always.....BTW, I disagree with your statement that it's a tiny proportion of customers, I imagine a good percentage of customers would need to climb on their roof at some point. I was up there just 2 days ago when one provider was doing tower maintenance and I need to get up there again to get the sim back. Every time I get up there there is a risk of falling so this would be a very significant feature for me.
I just thought of a possible solution.
Frank was right.I just thought of a possible solution.
You're late. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=sim+bank Not sure if prices are compatible with Mikrotik's prices.
not like mkx's which is just sterile controversy as always.
You're one of those people who seem to think people can't come to their own conclusion without your valuable input. It's quite reasonable for people to throw ideas around, it doesn't mean we think they are amazing ideas or that we can't see the flaws in them. As an example, I was well aware right from the start that eSIM was likely not the ideal solution but it has lead to other conversation that could potentially be valuable. You've typed a lot but really the one and only thing you've added to this conversation was the link to the sim bank. Unfortunately you had to do it in a sarcastic way.not like mkx's which is just sterile controversy as always.
You have right to have your own opinion about my posts, if you find them like that, you're free to ignore them. I'm just trying to give out as realistic and concrete posts as possible. There are some ideas floating around that simply fail to pass the reality check, that's all (and that's my own opinion).
pe1chiJust click on the link and read the page!
Try free eSIM from Ubigi:LPA:1$ee.pr.go-esim.com$ would be the provider?
do you find the activation code on the paper sheet provided by the provider ; or did you extract the code from the qrcode ?
Totally agree. But the first step is Mikrotik needs to use newer modem modules that support eSIM/eUICC/etc (e.g. many 5G-ready modems). So if the modem module support them (and the modem was listed in carrier's database), any CLI interface is essentially be a wrapper for a "at-chat" command that provides the activation code to the LTE modem module. But it's the modem module that needs to be able to store/activate the eSIM internally that critical. Since Mikrotik's current modem modules have no support for eSIM, not much can be done with an activation code from RouterOS CLI or otherwise today.For me the best way to use MFF2/eSIM/eUICC (embedded SIM | Embedded Universal Integrated Circuit Card) would be via CLI
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/lte esim add 0 "LPA:1$ee.pr.go-esim.com$ABCDEF1234567890ABCDEF1234567890$$"
There could be a option to load the PNG QR code as well via Web Interface...
Again it seems we are wandering off the path of "use eSIM with MikroTik" onto the issues of having multiple carriers, either natively or by roaming. Concepts not related to eSIM I think.Right now you can easily get eSIM for the major carriers in the US. My iPhone has had an eSIM to enable dual carrier for a long while. So I think it's fair to say eSIMs are widely supported, at least in US. But then again so is Wi-Fi 6, which Mikrotik doesn't have. So may be a while for eSIMs. But do agree eSIMs be useful to avoid needing multiple physical SIM slots in a Mikrotik OR avoiding hassle of managing/swapping physical SIMs. e.g. since not all Mikrotik LTE devices support multiple SIMs, but in theory any Mikrotik device could support multiple eSIMs, with right modem module.
Not really. Unless I'm missing something, you can't use an eSIM today with a Mikrotik. It's just not possible, so I took this as a feature request thread. It's still a function of the module modules. So potential RouterOS syntax for a missing feature seems like putting the cart before the horse. The currently offered R11e LTE hardware simply can't support eSIMs.Again it seems we are wandering off the path of "use eSIM with MikroTik" onto the issues of having multiple carriers, either natively or by roaming. Concepts not related to eSIM I think.Right now you can easily get eSIM for the major carriers in the US. My iPhone has had an eSIM to enable dual carrier for a long while. So I think it's fair to say eSIMs are widely supported, at least in US. But then again so is Wi-Fi 6, which Mikrotik doesn't have. So may be a while for eSIMs. But do agree eSIMs be useful to avoid needing multiple physical SIM slots in a Mikrotik OR avoiding hassle of managing/swapping physical SIMs. e.g. since not all Mikrotik LTE devices support multiple SIMs, but in theory any Mikrotik device could support multiple eSIMs, with right modem module.
Yup, with new modem modules, the situation changes . I'm sure they could add CLI (and/or in QR code reader in their app) pretty easily, but they'd need to release some new LTE hardware first. I mention AT commands only highlight that modem is in charge when comes to eSIMs, not RouterOS. But in reality, all the eSIM/eUICC can be controlled by MBIM, which Mikrotik supports in V7 so there is a possible pathway here. Not sure when...Well, at least due to the fact that the LTE modems in MikroTik devices come as a mini PCIe card leaves the possibility that a new card is released that supports eSIM and that can be either replaced in current devices or offered in new devices "with eSIM support".
Then, of course, it would be best when there is some support in RouterOS as well so one would not have to fiddle with AT commands.
Now any newer modem modules from Mikrotik will likely NOT work in older SXT, etc. since they'll almost certainly be M.2 form factor ones, not miniPCIe (but we'll see what happens in future).
AT+QESIM=“lpa_enable”,1
AT+QESIM=“def_svr_addr”, dptest.linksfield.net
AT+QESIM=“add_profile”, C0C3D-2BH7J-0VMF8-RY2VS
I just realized that recent Quectel modems like EM120/EM160R and some 5G model already have a eSIM chip soldered on the module.
https://forums.quectel.com/t/em160-esim ... de/10134/6
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We only need to find out which AT-commands are required and in which sequence.
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It should look like this, no???
AT+QESIM=“lpa_enable”,1
AT+QESIM=“def_svr_addr”, dptest.linksfield.net
AT+QESIM=“add_profile”, C0C3D-2BH7J-0VMF8-RY2VS
If Mikrotik's MBIM support INCLUDED the eSIM parts, then any modem with MBIM (with the eSIM part of MBIM spec supported too) could work. This would be preferable to a module/carrier/eSIM specific "AT magic-spell".But in reality, all the eSIM/eUICC can be controlled by MBIM, which Mikrotik supports in V7 so there is a possible pathway here. Not sure when...
.FWIW: I got HP Elitebook with Intel XMM 7360 LTE-A modem. It has a SIM card which seems to be eSIM data holder. I have activated T-Mobile data plan on it using Windows and this eSIM is working fine after moving it to my fresh Mikrotik SXT LTE6.
Another solution for those that need to regularly swap SIM cards could come from esim.me
Thanks, we've successfully tested that eSIM/SIM with a Chateau 5G ax.
did you use AT-QESIM commands or mikrotik native support -> interface/lte/esim/Another solution for those that need to regularly swap SIM cards could come from esim.me
Thanks, we've successfully tested that eSIM/SIM with a Chateau 5G ax.
It would be very suitable to have a native support of the eSIM in Mikrotik devices
I love people who don't write what commands they used to switch profiles and view. Let's all do thisdid you use AT-QESIM commands or mikrotik native support -> interface/lte/esim/
Thanks, we've successfully tested that eSIM/SIM with a Chateau 5G ax.
It would be very suitable to have a native support of the eSIM in Mikrotik devices
The native support doesn't work for me, the logs show slot #0 state: esim without profile (although there are two profiles)
I can list and switch profiles via AT commands however I can't add new profiles via AT command, it seems like quectel firm doesnt fully support it.