Low throughput with 3x Audience

tapir · Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:15 pm

I have three Audiences in my house. One in each corner of a long open plan floor and then a third in an extension (as there is what was previously an exterior wall between the main building and the extension - it has LOS to the second Audience).

Audience 1 - PPPoE - Internet and CAPSMAN (for regular wlan1 and wlan2 - 2/5Ghz)
Audience 2 - Other end of main room. This is the AP for wlan3. It has LOS to the other two units - approx 20m.
Audience 3 - In extension

I then have some 60Ghz kit off the back of Audience 3 to some outbuildings.

The 60Ghz is working brilliantly, but I cannot get more than around 150Mbps between any of the Audiences (1 to 3 maxes out around 120Mbps).
I'm not using the default mesh setup - I found the Station Roaming option would cause them to briefly disconnect every hour or so.
I have wlan3 set to AC only. Audience 2 is in ap bridge mode and the other two are station bridge. I live in the middle of nowhere and have nothing interfering on the 5Ghz channels. CCQ is 85-100% and SNR 64db. I've tried 40, 80 and 160Mhz widths. 80/160 works best (Not much between 80/160), changing frequency, lowering tx power. I feel this kit should be capable of more, especially when the tx/rx rates are showing over 1000Mbps.

Any suggestions warmly welcomed

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:22 pm

Without the 3 /export , all this is just a novel.

tapir · Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:23 pm

I have also tried switching off Audience 3 and btesting between 1 and 2 (in the same room 20m apart) - 150/160 Mbps max TCP. iperf gives similar figures.

tapir · Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:31 pm

Exports attached if further info required. I've invariably done something stupid!

edit - Replaced with exports in code tags below

rextended · Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:44 pm

I've invariably done something stupid!

Remember: Is worst do nothing...

Leave me, and to the other, the time to analize the export.

tapir · Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Audience 1

# aug/25/2021 14:26:08 by RouterOS 6.48.4
# software id = GZ05-6SV0
#
# model = RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD
# serial number = D5860CE8C249
/interface bridge
add admin-mac=48:8F:5A:CB:CB:03 auto-mac=no comment=defconf name=bridge
/interface pppoe-client
add add-default-route=yes allow=chap disabled=no interface=ether1 name=\
    pppoe-out2 use-peer-dns=yes user=xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
/interface wireless
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 2447/20-Ce/gn(16dBm), SSID: Lyndale2, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 5240/20-eeeC/ac/P(15dBm), SSID: Lyndale5, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
/caps-man security
add authentication-types=wpa-psk,wpa2-psk encryption=aes-ccm \
    group-encryption=aes-ccm name=security
/caps-man configuration
add channel.band=2ghz-b/g/n channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XX comment=defconf country="united kingdom" \
    datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes datapath.local-forwarding=yes \
    distance=indoors installation=indoor name=cfg-2ghz security=security \
    ssid=Lyndale2
add channel.band=5ghz-onlyac channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XXXX comment=defconf country="united kingdom" \
    datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes datapath.local-forwarding=yes \
    distance=indoors installation=indoor name=cfg-5ghz-ac security=security \
    ssid=Lyndale5
add channel.band=5ghz-onlyac channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XX comment=defconf country=no_country_set \
    datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes datapath.local-forwarding=yes \
    distance=indoors installation=indoor name=cfg-5ghz-an security=security \
    ssid=Lyndale5
/interface list
add comment=defconf name=WAN
add comment=defconf name=LAN
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] supplicant-identity=MikroTik
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk comment=defconf disable-pmkid=yes \
    eap-methods="" mode=dynamic-keys name=wpsSync supplicant-identity=\
    MikroTik
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan3 ] band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=\
    20/40/80/160mhz-XXXXXXXX country=no_country_set disabled=no distance=\
    indoors frequency=5560 frequency-mode=superchannel mode=station-bridge \
    security-profile=wpsSync ssid=SYNC-CBCB06
/ip pool
add name=dhcp ranges=192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150
/ip dhcp-server
add address-pool=dhcp disabled=no interface=bridge lease-time=1d name=defconf
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,pas\
    sword,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,dude,tikapp"
/caps-man manager
set enabled=yes
/caps-man manager interface
set [ find default=yes ] forbid=yes
add comment=defconf disabled=no interface=bridge
/caps-man provisioning
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=gn \
    master-configuration=cfg-2ghz name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    2ghz
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=ac \
    master-configuration=cfg-5ghz-ac name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    5ghz-ac
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=an \
    master-configuration=cfg-5ghz-an name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    5ghz-an
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=ether2
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan1
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan2
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan3
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=LAN
/interface list member
add comment=defconf interface=bridge list=LAN
add comment=defconf interface=ether1 list=WAN
add interface=pppoe-out2 list=WAN
/interface wireless access-list
add interface=wlan3 mac-address=48:8F:5A:CB:C5:4A vlan-mode=no-tag
/interface wireless cap
# 
set caps-man-addresses=127.0.0.1 enabled=yes interfaces=wlan1,wlan2
/interface wireless connect-list
add allow-signal-out-of-range=5m interface=wlan3 mac-address=\
    48:8F:5A:CB:C5:4A security-profile=wpsSync
/ip address
add address=192.168.1.1/24 comment=defconf interface=bridge network=\
    192.168.1.0
add address=192.168.5.1/24 interface=bridge network=192.168.5.0
/ip dhcp-client
add comment=defconf interface=ether1
/ip dhcp-server network
add address=192.168.1.0/24 comment=defconf dns-server=192.168.1.253 gateway=\
    192.168.1.1
/ip dns
set allow-remote-requests=yes servers=192.168.1.253
/ip dns static
add address=192.168.1.1 comment=defconf name=router.lan
/ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
    "defconf: accept established,related,untracked" connection-state=\
    established,related,untracked
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop invalid" connection-state=\
    invalid
add action=accept chain=input comment="defconf: accept ICMP" protocol=icmp
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
    "defconf: accept to local loopback (for CAPsMAN)" dst-address=127.0.0.1
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop all not coming from LAN" \
    in-interface-list=!LAN
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept in ipsec policy" \
    ipsec-policy=in,ipsec
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept out ipsec policy" \
    ipsec-policy=out,ipsec
add action=fasttrack-connection chain=forward comment="defconf: fasttrack" \
    connection-state=established,related
add action=accept chain=forward comment=\
    "defconf: accept established,related, untracked" connection-state=\
    established,related,untracked
add action=drop chain=forward comment="defconf: drop invalid" \
    connection-state=invalid
add action=drop chain=forward comment=\
    "defconf: drop all from WAN not DSTNATed" connection-nat-state=!dstnat \
    connection-state=new in-interface-list=WAN
/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="defconf: masquerade" \
    ipsec-policy=out,none out-interface-list=WAN
add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="OpenVPN 443 TCP" dst-port=443 \
    in-interface=pppoe-out2 protocol=tcp to-addresses=192.168.5.2 to-ports=\
    443
add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="OpenVPN 443 UDP" dst-port=443 \
    in-interface=pppoe-out2 protocol=udp to-addresses=192.168.5.2 to-ports=\
    443
add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="OpenVPN 1194 TCP" dst-port=1194 \
    in-interface=pppoe-out2 protocol=tcp to-addresses=192.168.5.2 to-ports=\
    1194
add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="OpenVPN 1194 UDP" dst-port=1194 \
    in-interface=pppoe-out2 protocol=udp to-addresses=192.168.5.2 to-ports=\
    1194
/system clock
set time-zone-name=Europe/London
/system identity
set name=Lyndale1
/tool mac-server
set allowed-interface-list=LAN
/tool mac-server mac-winbox
set allowed-interface-list=LAN

Audience 2

# aug/25/2021 14:29:21 by RouterOS 6.48.4
# software id = GK7T-MEWU
#
# model = RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD
# serial number = D5860CF48011
/interface bridge
add admin-mac=48:8F:5A:CB:C5:46 auto-mac=no comment=defconf name=bridgeLocal
/interface wireless
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 2447/20-eC/gn(16dBm), SSID: Lyndale2, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 5180/20-Ceee/ac/P(15dBm), SSID: Lyndale5, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
/interface list
add name=WAN
add name=LAN
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] supplicant-identity=MikroTik
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk eap-methods="" management-protection=\
    allowed mode=dynamic-keys name=wps_sync supplicant-identity=""
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan3 ] adaptive-noise-immunity=ap-and-client-mode \
    band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=20/40/80/160mhz-XXXXXXXX country=\
    no_country_set default-authentication=no default-forwarding=no disabled=\
    no distance=indoors frequency=5560 frequency-mode=superchannel mode=\
    ap-bridge nv2-downlink-ratio=60 security-profile=wps_sync ssid=\
    SYNC-CBCB06 station-roaming=enabled tdma-period-size=3
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,pas\
    sword,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,dude,tikapp"
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=ether1
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=ether2
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan1
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan2
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan3
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=!dynamic
/interface list member
add interface=ether1 list=WAN
add interface=ether2 list=LAN
add interface=wlan2 list=LAN
add interface=wlan3 list=LAN
add interface=wlan1 list=LAN
/interface wireless access-list
add allow-signal-out-of-range=5m interface=wlan3 mac-address=\
    48:8F:5A:CB:CB:06 vlan-mode=no-tag
add allow-signal-out-of-range=5m interface=wlan3 mac-address=\
    48:8F:5A:CB:C8:45 vlan-mode=no-tag
/interface wireless cap
# 
set discovery-interfaces=bridgeLocal enabled=yes interfaces=wlan1,wlan2
/ip address
add address=192.168.1.2/24 interface=ether2 network=192.168.1.0
/ip dhcp-client
add comment=defconf interface=bridgeLocal
/ip dns
set servers=8.8.8.8
/ip route
add distance=1 gateway=192.168.1.1
/system clock
set time-zone-name=Europe/London
/system identity
set name=Lyndale2

Audience 3

# aug/25/2021 14:30:12 by RouterOS 6.48.4
# software id = U29V-Z5VB
#
# model = RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD
# serial number = D5860C633487
/interface bridge
add admin-mac=48:8F:5A:CB:C8:41 auto-mac=no comment=defconf name=bridgeLocal
/interface wireless
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 2452/20-Ce/gn(16dBm), SSID: Lyndale2, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 5180/20-Ceee/ac/P(15dBm), SSID: Lyndale5, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] disabled=no ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
/interface list
add name=WAN
add name=LAN
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] supplicant-identity=MikroTik
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk eap-methods="" mode=dynamic-keys name=\
    wlan3-SYNC-CBCB06-repeater supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan3 ] band=5ghz-onlyac channel-width=\
    20/40/80/160mhz-XXXXXXXX country=no_country_set disabled=no distance=\
    indoors frequency=5560 frequency-mode=superchannel mode=station-bridge \
    security-profile=wlan3-SYNC-CBCB06-repeater ssid=SYNC-CBCB06
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,pas\
    sword,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,dude,tikapp"
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=ether1
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=ether2
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan1
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan2
add bridge=bridgeLocal comment=defconf interface=wlan3
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=!dynamic
/interface list member
add interface=ether1 list=WAN
add interface=ether2 list=LAN
add interface=wlan2 list=LAN
add interface=wlan3 list=LAN
add interface=wlan1 list=LAN
/interface wireless cap
# 
set caps-man-addresses=192.168.1.1 discovery-interfaces=bridgeLocal enabled=\
    yes interfaces=wlan1,wlan2
/interface wireless connect-list
add allow-signal-out-of-range=5m interface=wlan3 mac-address=\
    48:8F:5A:CB:C5:4A security-profile=wlan3-SYNC-CBCB06-repeater
/ip address
add address=192.168.1.3/24 interface=ether2 network=192.168.1.0
/ip dns
set servers=8.8.8.8
/ip route
add distance=1 gateway=192.168.1.1
/system clock
set time-zone-name=Europe/London
/system identity
set name=Lyndale3

tapir · Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:38 am

Is it worth upgrading to 7.1rc? I see many Audience users using ROS7 but nor sure if that’s just a coincidence.

tapir · Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:00 pm

Well. I tried 7.1 out of desperation. No improvement.
I get 300Mbps+ from client to Audience on the ipq4019 with zero tweaking but at most 200Mbps between Audiences that are a few metres apart on QCA9984 radio which should be capable of much more.

Wish I kept all the boxes now.. these haven't been the investment I hoped for.

santyx32 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Well. I tried 7.1 out of desperation. No improvement.
I get 300Mbps+ from client to Audience on the ipq4019 with zero tweaking but at most 200Mbps between Audiences that are a few metres apart on QCA9984 radio which should be capable of much more.

Wish I kept all the boxes now.. these haven't been the investment I hoped for.

Wifiwave2 it's the real deal with ROS 7.1 but you lose Capsman (as of now).

tapir · Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:25 am

Cheers.. i may give that a go. Shame about capsman as I will have 5 APs eventually once I put a couple of cAPs in the outbuildings, but I can live with that.

tapir · Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:26 am

No bridging with wifiwave2 so I'm back where I started.

millenium7 · Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:25 am

MikroTik wireless performance in general is garbage. It really hasn't improved much at all for years, and has been left in the dust by even very cheap off-the-shelf alternatives
Audience is like buying a Ferrari but the handbrake is permanently on. Fantastic hardware but its so incredibly let down by terrible wifi on the software side

The only benefit is yes surprisingly good range, and the RouterOS features (bridging, capsman etc) but actual througput, latency, stability etc is terrible. $100 ASUS router beats it hands down

gotsprings · Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:50 pm

If you are meshing them... they shouldn't be corners. They should be along the wireless signal not at the outside edges.

tapir · Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:00 am

I am not meshing. I have them in a line through my house (also so I can reach outbuildings at the end of the house via a 60Ghz link). In mesh mode, the station roaming option makes them drop out every hour or so.
The middle one is station ap and the other two are station bridges. Even though they are 10m apart with LOS, I cannot exceed 200Mbps (generally around 160) between them. Speedtest from Audience3 tops out at 50-60Mbps.

rextended · Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:00 pm

Paste this on terminal, do not omit the { } !!!

Lyndale1

{
/interface bridge
set [find] protocol-mode=none
/caps-man security
set [find] authentication-types=wpa2-psk
/caps-man configuration
set cfg-2ghz channel.band=2ghz-g/n
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [find] eap-methods=passthrough supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,password,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,!dude,tikapp"
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=no
:delay 2s
/interface wireless
set [find] station-roaming=disabled
:delay 2s
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=yes
}

Lyndale2

{
/interface bridge
set [find] protocol-mode=none
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [find] eap-methods=passthrough supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,password,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,!dude,tikapp"
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=static
/interface list member
set [find where interface=ether1] list=LAN
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=no
:delay 2s
/interface wireless
set [find] station-roaming=disabled
set [ find default-name=wlan3 ] adaptive-noise-immunity=none nv2-downlink-ratio=50 tdma-period-size=2
:delay 2s
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=yes
}

Lyndale3

{
/interface bridge
set [find] protocol-mode=none
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [find] eap-methods=passthrough supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,password,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,!dude,tikapp"
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=static
/interface list member
set [find where interface=ether1] list=LAN
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=no
:delay 2s
/interface wireless
set [find] station-roaming=disabled
:delay 2s
/interface wireless cap
set enabled=yes
}

tapir · Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:27 pm

Many thanks for taking the time to do this - it's really appreciated.

I have altered my config a little with the test of wifiwave2 - I'm not currently running Capsman, but will likely re-introduce it as it will be super convenient when I install the CAPs in the outbuildings.
However, I ran through the changes manually from your scripts. Much of it I have already done, as it cleans up some misconfigurations from my initial setup.
set [find] eap-methods=passthrough supplicant-identity=MikroTik is a little unclear as you specify WPA-PSK as the authentication protocol so that option is unavailable if configuring via Winbox.
The main change from what I had is turning off RSTP. This has not improved the overall throughput when using iperf/btest, but has improved Speedtest results from Audience3 which now top out at 72Mbps (which is what I get from my ISP) where previously it varied from 50-60Mbps. Why it was less than btest/iperf previously is a bit of a mystery.

You have at least reviewed my config and confirmed that I've not done anything horrendously stupid

What I have currently does work well enough for my needs, but it is disappointing that the supposedly superior Audience is no better than the CAP ACs I was running at my previous house, even though the 5Ghz network was dual-role in that case providing both the link between devices and an AP to clients. I could have got much the same result at much lower cost.
Hopefully wifiwave2 will mature over the coming months and I will reap the rewards of my investment with some patience.

ivicask · Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:05 pm

Did you try runing 802.11 instead nv2 for link between them?

Also is your routerboard firmware updated to match software?

Otherwise no ideas to help you, you did everything OK.

tapir · Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:03 pm

Hi.. I am using 802.11 - set to ac only. I’ve never tried nv2.
I always upgrade routerboard firmware at the same time as the packages.

Thanks!

BitHaulers · Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:31 pm

I think there is a driver limitation.

I've never been able to get more than 150Mbps~200Mbps out of any ARM WiFi product from Mikrotik. There will always be 40 people telling you that you're doing it wrong, and that you can't trust Btest, you have to run iPerf, etc. UDP is fast, TCP is always 150~200Mbps, with no CPU bottleneck. NV2 is slightly slower than 802.11.

They need to prioritize those Wave2 drivers. Thank God my WAN speeds are never really over 100Mbps, so it works for my market at the moment. I need the range and that third radio more than the speed.

gotsprings · Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:35 pm

I put the ACV2 drivers on my Audience. It's set up as a 3 radio WAP ONLY. CAPS-MAN NO LONGER WORKS. Adding virtual APs has caused the radio to crash. Changing an SSID caused a radio to get stuck on searching for channel.

But... When it's working...
I finally get throughput ~ 400M/400M with a house full of devices on the unit.

tapir · Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:13 am

I put the ACV2 drivers on my Audience. It's set up as a 3 radio WAP ONLY. CAPS-MAN NO LONGER WORKS. Adding virtual APs has caused the radio to crash. Changing an SSID caused a radio to get stuck on searching for channel.

But... When it's working...
I finally get throughput ~ 400M/400M with a house full of devices on the unit.

I need to link 3 Audiences together - I have long, narrow house so the central one is an ap bridge on wlan3 and the other two are station bridges. I don’t think the new package will work for me currently (I tried it and got two to connect, but couldn’t work out how to route without bridging).

tapir · Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:30 pm

Patiently waiting for 4 address support to arrive in wifiwave2. However, in the meantime I remain convinced that MT wifi cannot be *that* bad and my config must be wonky somehow..

Even where two Audiences are in the same room 9 meters apart with LOS - I max out at around 150Mbps TCP between them on 1300Mbps-160MHz/2S/SGI

gotsprings · Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:50 pm

My Audience is running 7.1.1 with Wave 2 drivers.

Virtual APs no longer cause a crash. Radios no longer get stuck doing a channel scan.

Support also helped me to find that the Audience would over draw the POE input. This would cause the switch to shut down the port for voltage overload.

So... Connecting the included power supply, before connecting the network cable... Makes the unit use it DC adapter.

Once again, it's setup as a 3 radio WAP only. With 2 VAPs.

House full of devices connected across all 3 bands, (1, 36, 149) handled 35 clients. Speed tests on the AC radios climb into the 400s. 2.4 only devices that would have problems stating connected, have stayed on for days at a time. I did have to change the rekey time on the 2.4 radio to keep 2 clients happy... But other manufactures have lost the ability to connect these devices in the last 2 years.

Like I typed before: the best wireless performance I have ever seen from a Tik radio serving wifi clients. Actually keeping up with other manufactures of ACv2 gear.

I would recommend cabling them.

anav · Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:14 pm

Sounds good gotsprings, what rekeying (assuming wpa2) numbers seem to be optimal???

proximus · Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:00 pm

My Audience is running 7.1.1 with Wave 2 drivers.
.....
Like I typed before: the best wireless performance I have ever seen from a Tik radio serving wifi clients. Actually keeping up with other manufactures of ACv2 gear.

.
I agree. I bought 2 Audience in 10/2019 and was very very unhappy with the throughput and range. Sold one on eBay and put the other in the closet. Recently powered it up with 7.1.1 and Wave2 ... Wow! The one Audience has replaced 3 eero's. Note: ISP speed is ~480Mbps. House is 3500 sq ft.

Using POE from a CRS112-8P-4S and haven't experienced any problems.

anav · Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:31 am

Interesting just checked my with my iphone and ookla internet
and
TP Link eap245 619/499
TP Link 660HD 640/280

Comparing the two the eap245 gets consistently higher uploads which I find a bit surprising but then again the 245 has had many firmware changes and the 660HD none and clearly needs fine tuning.
I would imagine like the audience the 660HD keeps throughput up through walls and longer distance on AC, whereas wifi 5 on the eap245 will drop in speed more significantly.

gotsprings · Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:15 am

Sounds good gotsprings, what rekeying (assuming wpa2) numbers seem to be optimal???

It was 2 clients on my network. They started to act up when that Ruckus Update came along over a year ago. With Mikrotik I would see hourly disconnects. On a WAG (Wild Ass Guess) I changed the time to 10 minutes. The cameras didn't disconnect for several days after making that change.

I had to put the Cambium e410 back in to work out some stuff on the programing side... and today the XV2-2 showed up. So I put that up a few hours ago. Beating on it now.

I will get a look at the Engenius board 357 at somepoint this week. It will be in a ECW220... Its for a dealer I don't care if they fire me. They wanted to test it.. I told them to do it in house. But they are "Under the Gun" and want to "Just deal with it" at the site. (See why I don't care if they can me.)

glow · Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:06 am

Sounds good gotsprings, what rekeying (assuming wpa2) numbers seem to be optimal???
It was 2 clients on my network. They started to act up when that Ruckus Update came along over a year ago. With Mikrotik I would see hourly disconnects. On a WAG (Wild Ass Guess) I changed the time to 10 minutes. The cameras didn't disconnect for several days after making that change.

I had to put the Cambium e410 back in to work out some stuff on the programing side... and today the XV2-2 showed up. So I put that up a few hours ago. Beating on it now.

I will get a look at the Engenius board 357 at somepoint this week. It will be in a ECW220... Its for a dealer I don't care if they fire me. They wanted to test it.. I told them to do it in house. But they are "Under the Gun" and want to "Just deal with it" at the site. (See why I don't care if they can me.)

Mostly for fun:

Before they fixed it, Netgear and Engenius' earlier firmwares for the WAX214 (EWS357v3a) didn't work with rekeying, and the suggestion was to set it to "0" (disable it).
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Busine ... true#M7871

There were a litany of other problems that directly affected stability with constant reboots out of nowhere. It eventually became stable after 8 months of firmware updates, but I have learned my lesson with ever trusting those two companies ever again. How does V3 of the same HW have so many problems? Engenius did create, certify, and support two versions of the EWS357 before this latest revision.

By the time I gave up on the WAX214 and moved to an used ruckus h510, the WAX214 was seemingly stable for at least a week or so. I just couldn't trust that HW and SW to not fail in the future. Another oddity was their webGUI option for SSH access. Support claimed SSH was not available for end users, only Netgear engineers. Why leave it in the webGUI then? Everything just seemed poorly done.

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Busine ... -p/2079584

That option was still there on the latest firmware, as of Oct 2021.

gotsprings · Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:48 pm

It was 2 clients on my network. They started to act up when that Ruckus Update came along over a year ago. With Mikrotik I would see hourly disconnects. On a WAG (Wild Ass Guess) I changed the time to 10 minutes. The cameras didn't disconnect for several days after making that change.

I had to put the Cambium e410 back in to work out some stuff on the programing side... and today the XV2-2 showed up. So I put that up a few hours ago. Beating on it now.

I will get a look at the Engenius board 357 at somepoint this week. It will be in a ECW220... Its for a dealer I don't care if they fire me. They wanted to test it.. I told them to do it in house. But they are "Under the Gun" and want to "Just deal with it" at the site. (See why I don't care if they can me.)
Mostly for fun:

Before they fixed it, Netgear and Engenius' earlier firmwares for the WAX214 (EWS357v3a) didn't work with rekeying, and the suggestion was to set it to "0" (disable it).
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Busine ... true#M7871

There were a litany of other problems that directly affected stability with constant reboots out of nowhere. It eventually became stable after 8 months of firmware updates, but I have learned my lesson with ever trusting those two companies ever again. How does V3 of the same HW have so many problems? Engenius did create, certify, and support two versions of the EWS357 before this latest revision.

By the time I gave up on the WAX214 and moved to an used ruckus h510, the WAX214 was seemingly stable for at least a week or so. I just couldn't trust that HW and SW to not fail in the future. Another oddity was their webGUI option for SSH access. Support claimed SSH was not available for end users, only Netgear engineers. Why leave it in the webGUI then? Everything just seemed poorly done.

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Busine ... -p/2079584

That option was still there on the latest firmware, as of Oct 2021.

Glow,

Thanks for the insight.

I have a deep seated disdain for Engenius. I always had problems with the gear that couldn't be fixed. I had tons of product failures. And when I found exactly where the issue was in the design that was causing the failures... I submitted a proper white paper that had been peer reviewed and confirmed. The design would cause the devices to really start to degrade at about 9 months and be nearly unusable requiring constant reboots at about 12 months. Then get exponentially worse at 18 months. Their reply, "The warranty is 1 year."

I used that to terminate our relationship with every AV brand that rebadged Engenius Wifi boards.

tapir · Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:19 am

Even 5m apart at 160Mhz I get 160Mbps TCP on the QCA9984 radio. Why is this device so bad PtMP?
May try linking with the 5Ghz IPQ4019 instead as I get 300Mbps client to radio??

The Audience is shockingly bad for the purpose it is intended for as that fancy 4x4 radio is severely hampered by the driver package. Bridging on wifiwave2 doesn't seem to be coming any time soon. Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced alternative. I'm really fed up with these.

enlace101 · Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:36 pm

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enlace101 · Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:37 pm

550mbps audience speed wave2

tapir · Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:14 pm

550mbps audience speed wave2... as an AP only.
No bridge mode yet. Doesn't help me.

uberwebguru · Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:18 pm

I am still waiting to have my audience delivered
But for $169 what is the issue with mikrotik to go wifi 6?
Is wifi 6 so much more difficult for mikrotik than other brands?
Am not getting what the issue is really to be honest

Claim is audience can cover 20k sq ft, i only need it to cover 3k sq ft, if it fails to cover that i will be returning it and let go my loyalty and go buy other brand for wifi

uberwebguru · Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:23 pm

550mbps audience speed wave2... as an AP only.
No bridge mode yet. Doesn't help me.

If audience is rated to cover 20k sq ft, then why do you need more than 1 in your space?
How big is your space?

tapir · Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:01 pm

That’s covered in my opening post

duytran · Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:40 am

I just bought an audience and try btest. my laptop can reach to 650Mbps when I try to connect my laptop to audience in wlan3 interface at 160MHz

Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:36 pm

I just bought an audience and try btest. my laptop can reach to 650Mbps when I try to connect my laptop to audience in wlan3 interface at 160MHz

very nice, which wlan-nic are you using ?

which operating system ?

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