I am one of this nice guy, trying to help out whenever I can, BUT I am also one that get irritated when quoting the quoting the quote....Autist, don't you bother about persons that sometime get upset for nothing.
Well, forum etiquette is not something you are born with. And in this particular case it's nothing to pay attention to compared to the BLOB'ed reply. It's something you need to consider, especially regarding how to treat new forum users. Being nice spreads good vibes for everyone, Cheers!1. Pick the part of a post above to show what you do respond to. (can be multiple section)
2. Respond to a post that is not directly above, to make sure that other understand what to reply to.
Do never ever quote the whole post directly above you. Does not give any sense to do...
1229 x 727 pixels ain't anywhere near FullHD, display scaling on your tiny display doesn't count.OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.
But the fact that the "+Post Reply" is on a total different place and different color , even mostly off-screen when somebody adds a large attachment, does not help to have people select that bottom button. It is visually not related to the thread, as it is below the "Display posts from previous: All posts Sort by Post time/ Ascending" line.OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.
To me it rather seems it finally started working as intended - I got a notification about your post, but the last one before was about the one from @BartoszP. I did read the topic before you wrote your post. I.e. the site finally fulfils the promise in the notification body "No more notifications will be sent until you visit the topic."By the way since 24 hours the mail reminders are missing.
Yes it's back. But I had multiple replies in "Your Posts" between 29 oct and 3 nov. No mail, nothing in the local SPAM folder. The ISP must have blocked it. This is mostly if the sending mailserver is in some blacklist. My ISP is probably also using "grey listing", so a mail that is not retried will never arrive. (My mailbox is part of my ISP subscription.)To me it rather seems it finally started working as intended
You're not alone.maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
I think the General topic is the most common use for Forum itself problems. Maybe PM to admin's group :).Is there a place to post about the forum itself ??
See Home->Forum index->User Control Panel->Board preferences->Edit global settings.Where does that different layout come from?
"As a general advice please don't quote the whole answer since it makes it harder to follow the essence of the thread". Please read "http://mt/forum/etiquette.."
With the old theme its easy to see what thread you have posted inn. I do not think you see that at all on the default theme.oldfashioned silver theme which is just shorter.
Like viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45259 ? :)(btw, is there one?)
BartoszP, being corona-isolated too long and maybe feeling a bit cranky today? Kisses and hugs to you! :)
It's hard to make a peace not war, isn't it? :-)I believe you get much better attention if promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
well, I'm more of a shit in, shit out man :) ChersDo you know the rule GIGO? Garbage In, Garbage Out
I.e. the answer is for the first question, while all three are quoted and ignored.8How many fingers do you have?
By the way, if you stand on your head, what do you feel?
Did you try to stop?
Simply change on the phpbb administrator panel the limit of nested quotes from 5 to 2?...
AMEN @normis AMENPlease stop harassing forum users about this question. It is more annoying than quotes. Thanks.
Hallelujah, Hallelujah ... so what is your proposition how to teach people to use it properly?IMO, the quote feature is very useful and People should learn how to edit quotes so that this capability is used properly. Unfortunately many are too lazy to learn how to use QUOTES properly.
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Yes, I concur with your analysis ! ;-PPMy view on this matter is that I just don't know, I can't judge!
Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??1234
You quote and the 5 disappear, I quote and the 4 disappar, set limit from 5 to 2 remove 99% of useless overquote....Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??123
Thank you for accepting my suggestion!Decreased nesting level, enabled smilies, have fun and stop arguing
I know, I know, but... Mr. Green is 9 bytes of text + 1.6kB (incl. http headers), while is 4 bytesIt's about the unicode works indipendenlty...
He is probably using MT wif5 to access internetForum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router?
It's more of slow database calls in the back-end, it is slow even for me on multiple machines with plenty of CPU, RAM, GPU and good network setup with end-to-end functional PMTUD for both IPv4 and IPv6.Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router?
Nope, I do use a Cisco 3702i as Wifi.He is probably using MT wif5 to access internet
No fair using wifi 5+.I use Audience 1st revision
@Jotne: Since you don't know what this is about, don't comment on it. Thanks.[...]
Be more polite. Stop your anger but let me rephrase the problem as this - please treat this as a mental expiremnt and do not take it personally but as a story which you can rephrase back to the situation you are not glad of:@Jotne: Since you don't know what this is about, don't comment on it. Thanks.[...]
It seems to depend on used theme. I selected good old "prosilver" and quotes start with "normis wrote: ↑", where arrow at the end is link to original post. But default theme doesn't have that. On the other hand, default theme has numbered posts, which I don't get.I do wish that when quoting, it provided a link to the original post that the reply was referring to.
Boy..[...]
Shouldn't that be "Bob" ?Boy..
Bravo, really,What I do find fantastic in this particular thread is that this kind of discussion CAN take place. I've seen places where the slightest disagreement results in a simple ban. No questions asked. No explanations given.
That's what civil people do. They discuss. And sometimes they can even agree to disagree.
What? You mean let the mod edit posts quietly and not take up valuable thread space by attempts in educating the 'stupid (an every growing segment of the worlds pop or so it seems) and interrupting the current line of thinking/questioning ( mt spanish inquisition ). What a novel concept - similar to -->"I cant say the letter B", why not use the letter K, right, what a silly bunt.quote from: Not Holvoe
"But if a moderator spots something like that even though it's not against the rules he can edit the said post and leave a note about the edits made and why. That's a moderator in action."
Thanks @Sob, I wasn't aware how different the themes were. I have switched to Allan Style-SUBSILVER, which uses full window width, has the post number, and still has the arrow with the quoted post reference.It seems to depend on used theme. I selected good old "prosilver" and quotes start with "normis wrote: ↑", where arrow at the end is link to original post. But default theme doesn't have that. On the other hand, default theme has numbered posts, which I don't get.
Starting from the end ... "We stated ..." .. Really? Maybe just you? Do not be shy writing "I stated ....". Do not hide behind "masses".....
But if a moderator spots something like that even though it's not against the rules he can edit the said post and leave a note about the edits made and why. That's a moderator in action. That's not you right now. We already established that you're Bob the irritated usual poster, sadly.
But I'm repeating myself now, for nothing, since you don't seem to understand how you can improve your actions.
Got it now?
Ok Bob, I wrote there "We established", not "We stated". Don't mess up my words.Starting from the end ... "We stated ..." .. Really? Maybe just you? Do not be shy writing "I stated ....". Do not hide behind "masses".....
[...] We already established that you're Bob the irritated usual poster, sadly.
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Ok, so you as a "volunteer beeing helper for free in his free time" what do you do to help the forum as a moderator? just spam a link to this topic by posting it in each topic you see someone breaking the "quoting the previous post" unwritten rule? Is that it? that's how you help the forum in your little free time?Seems that the main problem is that you confuse two concepts.
You do not distinguish volunteers beeing helpers for forum administrators from servants. We as moderators do it for free in our free time. Why? Maybe for fun, maybe because it fills somehow our need for something ... but who nows what the "something" meens for each of us?
Assuming that we are "servants" then remeber that good servant should advise it's master that pink socks do not fit in with green shirt, navy blue jacket and red tie if only master is not a clown dressing for a show. Good master listens to servant and takes such advises into consideration.
How to answer to person who is rude and is not able to use the name of Interlocutor?...
So Bob, got it now? Or still no? I'm guessing no. Ok, Next.
Please to be rude and use "Bob" everywhere ... it brings down the level of discussion below acceptable one. As I stated previously ... arguments "ad personam" kill the discussion.Ok, so you as a "volunteer beeing helper for free in his free time" what do you do to help the forum as a moderator? just spam a link to this topic by posting it in each topic you see someone breaking the "quoting the previous post" unwritten rule? Is that it? that's how you help the forum in your little free time? Bob, I assure you that any Bob can do this, I wrote this already before, pay attention.
You don't have to write offtopic posts in your free time, anyone else can do it without volunteering to help the forum, trust me, Bob.
Have a nice weekend!
I repeat, again, there is no rule that forbids quoting the previous post, yet you make a big fuss out of it from time to time (when you have free time and volunteer to help the forum) by posting something about it disrupting the topic with .. offtopic. Does that seem normal to you?"Please show the MikroTik forum rules, and the specific rule that was broken by quoting the previous message, thanks!
Still waiting for you to mention those rules, and don't delete just my posts, delete your own offtopic too, thanks ."
I do that in in all cases jajajajajaSorry I only noticed now that the posts have been reported multiple times,
pretend I haven't written anything, in this case,
thank you ....
(careful use of quote ...)And what's more beautiful, it's simple, and nobody notices it!
Because even for those who have quoted excessively, it seems to them a NORMAL thing as it is written on that way...
@Bartoszp, @Znevna
something else I noticed just now ... this topic between you 2 is already approaching 2 years (started in nov 2020 from what I can see all the way up, maybe earlier ?).
Isn't it about time to let it go ?
Such an opinion from the holder of a black belt in the category of off-topic posts. What did I do to get so lucky?...On the other hand, truth be told BartozP, it is your posts that interrupt a thread, are irritating and are discourteous to the OP trying to solve a problem and to those of us on our free time trying to help the OP. None of us are perfect, have bad days etc is understood, so I tend to ignore the interruptions in other folks threads, luckily this is the topic of this thread so I can wax eloquently on the shortcomings of your approach.
Bratelo slava HINT: You are NOT helping by interjecting before the necessary information to give an informed response is possible. The OP needs to provide more information as already requested to get to a satisfactory resolution of the problem. There are a few here that can play the mind reader game and take shortcuts (sob, mkx, sindy) but otherwise not usually successful and irritating for those of us asking for the information. The OP was sidetracked and has yet to provide the requested information, hopefully soon coming.
Not to say your advice is not sound or useful but usually there is more to the story which can only be sussed out with more context and information.
Often there is lots the OP leaves out that is necessary to the puzzle.
By the way I didnt read your question nor his response, its noise since I dont understand
a. the network structure (what devices are attached, internet comes from, what goes out on the ports) A network diagram helps immensely here.
b. the configuration which fills in the rest of the gaps. ( the bridge/vlans/subnets, the firewall rules, the routing etc. and how they interact)
c. the requirements of the network in terms of use cases
what the user(s)/device(s) should be able to do and not do..................pushes config design
Sweet, have a great swim! Just watch out for the sharks........
@rextended +1
Let me update the scorecard
anav/holve/bucky 1, rexnasa 0
Thats nice, but adds nothing to clarifying the OPs user requirements in sufficient detail.
Shouldnt you be finding water, fighting fires or giving out water to people in tents pooping on your lawn??
Yeah tongue in cheek but the lack of water is damn serious, hope the situation doesnt get worse.
I was gonna say that was a quick swim, must live right by the ocean!! Dont forget sunscreen!!!
WHY? Is there a real problem being encountered or are you off your medications?
I dont work on what ifs and suppositions....... Otherwise I would be a priest.
No kidding, what next, how do I tie my shoelace lessons by mkx.
It would be grand to see pony hair standing straight out for a change. ;-P
LMAO, nice, glad to see you are planning future horror episodes!
Quote of the year I suppose.Sorry bpwl, I have my standards, I can quickly read and understand a normal config outlay.
Also ensures nothing missing and easily detectable......
It hurts my head to look at it in a non standard way.
Fill your boots then, Im outta here.
...and then write it once again because of context change?The forum tells you when you press submit and there's a new reply since you started writing.
No, it's moderators' terror! Everything which is not forbidden is allowed! I understand your position but also like to quote because of my previous arguments which I don't want to repeat over and over... You should also respect that.So since many do not like the quote of the previous post, what is the problem not respecting that?
But sometimes it's so wrong... Like going in release thread and quoting whole long post with complete changelog, only to add one sentence note or question (often a useless one on top of that). Or when having a thread of your own with one on one conversation and still quoting everything the other person writes. Why? How about some basic manners? Perhaps it's me being oversensitive, but it's like inviting guests and then watching them relieving themselves in my living room. If they at least did it secretly behind my back or something... I mean, it was clearly wrong analogy.Live and let live...
Read above, in quotation, and also please read my response regarding terror.Please explain how "the ideea" of your reply changes without that quote.
I can write here whatever I want or you can change this sentence in you post. Assuming I am honest person I would like to response to your initial, unchanged post.
Right, there are some cases it doesn't make sense like in your example. It's obvious.But sometimes it's so wrong... Like going in release thread and quoting whole long post with complete changelog, only to add one sentence note or question (often a useless one on top of that).
Is it happening here? If not, why discussing such situations?Or when having a thread of your own with one on one conversation and still quoting everything the other person writes.
Your huge pictures are bigger "sin" than quoting as it makes mess here...Huge pictures added by Znevna...
You seem to not understand my point at all I think - that is why you use argumentum ad personam. Please, take into considerations all I have written here regarding freedom of speech and using tools that are given to me even you don't like me to use them...Your complete lack of netiquette is concerning.