2x2, can't really take advantage of >1G port real world and just adds cost.2.5g on first port would have been nice... But still.. instabuy
No we want it slimmer and ideally a smaller diameter.
These comments about the size are ridiculous.
You want one dual ax device with 2x2 5.9dBi antenna gain to the same size of the mAP lite???
Have you ever seen CAP XL from inside?????That you are one of those who believe that distance and sensitivity are only made by the power of the radio?
Cant' be slimmer for cooling inside, and can't have smaller diameter because "the free space" are reflectors for antennas.
The world is full of manufacturers, if you don't like the look, buy a more fashionable brand...
or 3D print your own caseThe world is full of manufacturers, if you don't like the look, buy a more fashionable brand...
I'm just asking if they are really needed, if the end result is an ugly looking thing that raises questions about quality from the customers.That you are one of those who believe that distance and sensitivity are only made by the power of the radio?
Cant' be slimmer for cooling inside, and can't have smaller diameter because "the free space" are reflectors for antennas.
Does it make any diffrence???? People has better signal with CAP AC than with CAP XL......@Rox169
Yes, probably you not.
You probably didn't notice that the "free space" around the RouterBOARD is the reflectors for the antennas...
Not really.Does it any diffrence???? People has better signal with CAP AC than with CAP XL......
Have you tried it yourself, or do you read "other people's" problems instead?Does it make any diffrence???? People has better signal with CAP AC than with CAP XL......
Please make CAP AX..not only CAP XL AX and also hAP AX2 with USBSorry for bothering this nice discussion, but all the AX devices are also using much much more powerful CPUs and new wifi + new CPU also always means more heat. Big case is not for aesthetic reasons, but for cooling. I don't think it's possible to make AX devices in the size of cAP lite
Hmm. Did you read what I wrote?Please make CAP AX..not only CAP XL AX and also hAP AX2 with USBSorry for bothering this nice discussion, but all the AX devices are also using much much more powerful CPUs and new wifi + new CPU also always means more heat. Big case is not for aesthetic reasons, but for cooling. I don't think it's possible to make AX devices in the size of cAP lite
The posted image is probably showing the inside from a bad angle. I can't see anything other than plastic between the board and the antennas.You probably didn't notice that the "free space" around the RouterBOARD is the reflectors for the antennas...
AX2 has quite a lot of ventilation openings all around and will usually be standing vertical, even if placed horizontal there is the plastic foot to keep those openings free.Why can a hap ax2 with stronger cpu and new wifi fit into a 120x101 casing. Whereas a cap ax needs this large case like a cap xl ac. It can't be the "so much heat" then. Is it for better wifi coverage or something?
On the picture, if you notice, the plastic ring have metal paint on the other side, and some is leaked from the process to the backside..The posted image is probably showing the inside from a bad angle. I can't see anything other than plastic between the board and the antennas.You probably didn't notice that the "free space" around the RouterBOARD is the reflectors for the antennas...
what competitor?an ugly device though, compared to pretty much every competitor device.
gain is totally misleading in the context of a soho/enterprise AP.what competitor?
if i search on google "ax ap" the first result is:
Therefore, compared to the "gain" of 2cm in diameter, the antennas of this competitor product are more "deaf" by 66.6...%
(the competitor device is AX1500, the cAP ax is AX1800)
I aggree, I mean I don't think its 'bad' but I have had people comment that they look a bit cheap up close. The square body is a big improvement especially once ceilling mounted.Unfortunate that it copied the cAP XL design, I also find it very ugly.
The hap ax2 case is completely open on one side, you are basically looking at the exposed black heatsink with only some hints of plastic casing around it.Why can a hap ax2 with stronger cpu and new wifi fit into a 120x101 casing.
I often met the case where I couldn't cover four rooms in a building in 5GHz band with UAP-AC-Lite as signals dropped bellow -70dB while located 8 to 10 m from AP, with walls in-between.I eagerly await some 4x4 designs. I have almost 100 U6-lites out there right now, but I've even replaced some with the U6-Pro and U6-Enterprise, the difference between 2x2 and 4x4 in a busy environment is unbelievable.
Yes, the mikrotik and ubiquiti 'saucer' models have patters that favor the horizontal plane and slightly away from the ceiling. Worse performance for wall mount. Always ceiling mount if possible.Who needs whole preceding post to be quoted to be answered? Use "Post Reply"
So I should still look for a wall mount accessory, allowing horizontal mount on a wall.Who needs whole preceding post to be quoted to be answered? Use "Post Reply"
Your words imply that antennae for MIMO are sector antennae each covering a share of space. But they aren't, all MIMO antennae cover same space (direction and beam width). This is true for beam forming, which is important part of massive MIMO (4x4 or higher order). Beam forming indeed increases signal strength and improves service quality.4x4 radios simple have more antennas is a more omnidirectional pattern overall so should do a bit better.
No, in the U6 4x4 devices the antennas are pointed in separate directions. They cover more direct/focused area than the 2x2 units do. MUMIMO/MIMO extracts data from reflections and refractions that come in different angles on a mounce. All 4x4+ devices with fixed antennas are positioning those to have slightly different directionality because MUMIMO/MIMO functions on these reflections to identify data from noise. 4x4+ radios (again, with fixed antennas, not rubber ducks flailing around) are looking out in more directions and so have more even coverage as a necessary design feature of getting MIMO to work.Who needs whole preceding post to be quoted to follow the stream of descussion? Do you? Use "Post Reply"
@mkx:Disclaimer: I've worked as senior radio engineer for a major MNO for 15+ years. I was responsible for optimization of network coverage and performance of UMTS and LTE networks, so I believe I know sonething about antennae, MIMO, etc.
Vast majority of simple WiFi devices (such as SOHO APs) have omnidirectional antennae ... and their shape doesn't change this much.
On a side note, U6-Enterprise has one 2.5GbE RJ45 port (PoE in).A U6-lite vs U6-enterprise with the some output levels and the same series radio but 2x2 vs 4x4 and I'm able to get 100Mbps on the U6-Enterprise where I can't get the U6-lite to stay connected.
Back to cAP subject,
We have also two months old real view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1AUgoFjCo&t=1019s...
We don't know how it will look like from the top. We don't know if it'll have some alternative casing like cAP ac does. We just have that drawing.
Sorry, and the news?
You mean cAP XL ac ? hAP XL doesn't exist (yet ?)I hope it doesn't look like hAP XL
Anyone who wants to put this in an ideal place in their apartment would definitely appreciate it if it looked more fancy.
Oh. I will keep quiet until I've bought one thencAP XL and cAP AX have completely different enclosures, carl0s
UniFi APs are based on MediaTek MT7621 and MT7622, cAP ax is on a higher level in specs!Mikrotik's part unless they are being extremely conservative with heat dissipation. Certainly, I've had Unifi APs which cooked themselves but it's been a while and I don't know if they still have that issue.
@all:My only beef with the size of the unit is that it's very large (228mm) for only a 2x2 MIMO. Unifi fit 4x4 MIMO into a smaller footprint (197mm). If "long range" is intended then the direct comparison would be the Unifi U6 LR which is 220mm across but it's 4x4 MIMO.
So yes, I think this is a bit of an error here on Mikrotik's part unless they are being extremely conservative with heat dissipation. Certainly, I've had Unifi APs which cooked themselves but it's been a while and I don't know if they still have that issue.
I am not concerned about the lack of 4x4 MIMO as such. Most folks don't really have a clear understanding of when 4x4 is actually going to benefit them or not. And when you DO have a clear understanding of it, you're less likely to be bothered by it if you were already going for mass coverage of wide areas with lots of APs.
If I was completely stuck with only one access point, and I had a 2Gbs+ Internet link, and many wireless clients, then I'd want 4x4.For which use case would you prefer 4x4 MIMO APs, then ?
Well @normis said...I understand the antenna requirements require it...
Sorry for bothering this nice discussion, but all the AX devices are also using much much more powerful CPUs and new wifi + new CPU also always means more heat. Big case is not for aesthetic reasons, but for cooling. I don't think it's possible to make AX devices in the size of cAP lite
And large houses. Don't make me feel bad for having 4 x cAP ac!cAP is not really intended as the "only router in your house", but sure, you can use it for that.
But normally I would suggest hAP in such a case. cAP is more for large networks and CAPsMAN.
How's Wi-Fi 6E coming? I would love to get my hands on some wAP form factor Wi-Fi6E units for industrial shop floor clients. Even if the 6Ghz functionality isn't unlocked via firmware yet, to have the chipset and form-factor for AX period would be great.cAP is not really intended as the "only router in your house", but sure, you can use it for that.
But normally I would suggest hAP in such a case. cAP is more for large networks and CAPsMAN.
Private-wlan5 disconnected, key handshake timeout, signal strength -55
For drywall you need only drywall anchor and plastic bracket. The metal bracket is for suspended ceiling tiles, you put the metal bracket on other side of the ceiling tile.Maybe stupid question, but how do I use metal "ceiling bracket" ?
I need to mount cAP ax on drywall ceiling. Do I attach plastic ceiling mount only or do I attach plastic ceiling mount and metal ceiling bracket together ?
Thanks for the help Normis !Matta, the error you are seing is most likely fixed in newest v7.10 beta. Try to upgrade and let us know if it helps.
Update,Thanks for the help Normis !Matta, the error you are seing is most likely fixed in newest v7.10 beta. Try to upgrade and let us know if it helps.
All 3 units upgraded and I can confirm that they working properly with 7.10b5.
yeah, same.. viewtopic.php?t=196739Update,
Thanks for the help Normis !
All 3 units upgraded and I can confirm that they working properly with 7.10b5.
I stand corrected.
Same thing is happening with 7.10beta (maybe in lesser extent). What helped (and is helping) is daily reboot.
Open a new topic and place the config of both devices:Tried the second one - exactly the same.
/export file=anynameyoulike
You probably right, It's frequency. Will post more info tomorrow, it's too late.