Which router shall I choose? Money is not a problem
Choose router?
I have a big residential project upcoming with a lot of video, audio streaming and automation.
Which router shall I choose? Money is not a problem
Which router shall I choose? Money is not a problem
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Start looking at RB1100AHx2 and higher units.
How many connections, bandwidth in use, etc.?
How many connections, bandwidth in use, etc.?
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If money is no object (must be nice), go big. We have a ccr1009-8g-1s-1s+ that serves about 2000 customers, runs nearly 800 megs during peak time and the CPU does not work hard at all! In fact, the other day we were the victim in a massive DOS attack and the router was running about 30% on the cpu at the time.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
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The proper hardware selection will be based entirely on what speeds you will offer the residents, your oversubscription rate, number of residents/connections, distance between devices, etc...
Without more detail, no one can really answer your question. A $200 Mikrotik may work, or you may need to step all the way up to a $1MM Cisco ASR... (money is no object after all)
Without more detail, no one can really answer your question. A $200 Mikrotik may work, or you may need to step all the way up to a $1MM Cisco ASR... (money is no object after all)
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If money is no object (must be nice), go big. We have a ccr1009-8g-1s-1s+ that serves about 2000 customers, runs nearly 800 megs during peak time and the CPU does not work hard at all! In fact, the other day we were the victim in a massive DOS attack and the router was running about 30% on the cpu at the time.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
It´s a big luxury villa with a lot of security-cams, door stations, KNX-lightning, video streaming and so on... I need a robust and decent router.
I think it´s a good way to do "overkill" in this case?
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I have a CCR1009 too, it work great but flash too small (80mb free) for storing database.If money is no object (must be nice), go big. We have a ccr1009-8g-1s-1s+ that serves about 2000 customers, runs nearly 800 megs during peak time and the CPU does not work hard at all! In fact, the other day we were the victim in a massive DOS attack and the router was running about 30% on the cpu at the time.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
Take 1016 or higher if you want to using usermanager.
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is not possible to move that database to micro sd??I have a CCR1009 too, it work great but flash too small (80mb free) for storing database.If money is no object (must be nice), go big. We have a ccr1009-8g-1s-1s+ that serves about 2000 customers, runs nearly 800 megs during peak time and the CPU does not work hard at all! In fact, the other day we were the victim in a massive DOS attack and the router was running about 30% on the cpu at the time.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
Take 1016 or higher if you want to using usermanager.
even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
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Gx2 has 512MB.even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
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Not a good idea to keep beating the internal flash storage, is it? Get a model with USB and/or MicroSD. Well, the CCR1072 has two SATA ports - but it's kind of overkil...Gx2 has 512MB.even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
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I tried some microsd but IO very slow.is not possible to move that database to micro sd??I have a CCR1009 too, it work great but flash too small (80mb free) for storing database.If money is no object (must be nice), go big. We have a ccr1009-8g-1s-1s+ that serves about 2000 customers, runs nearly 800 megs during peak time and the CPU does not work hard at all! In fact, the other day we were the victim in a massive DOS attack and the router was running about 30% on the cpu at the time.
But, if you describe in more detail what you plan to do, an appropriate router could be easier to recommend.
Take 1016 or higher if you want to using usermanager.
even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
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Which microSD? You see, there's 2 things we must pay attention to:I tried some microsd but IO very slow.even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
1) A "Class10" microSD has a guaranteed minimum speed of 10MB/s. But it doesn't say anything about the effective speed. A SD capable of 15MB/s is class10 - but a capable of 50MB/s is class10 too.
2) Wich microSD you used? Maybe it's a slow one.
Here You can see what I mean:
http://www.kingston.com/us/flash/microsd_cards
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An SD card capable of 15 MB/s might not guarantee 10 MB/s sustained for video if it's not Class 10.
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True. But that's not the point. What I am saying is that are cards capable of 90MB/s reading and 60MB/s writing (sustained) - but they are just "Class10". We have to pay attention to the rest of the specifications, as the "Class10" is the one that got popular - but it is no longer the one we should look for.An SD card capable of 15 MB/s might not guarantee 10 MB/s sustained for video if it's not Class 10.
By the way: does someone know what are the rated speeds for writing/reading microSD cards on routerboard hardware? Would be a waste of money to buy a card capable of 90MB/s if the routerboard cannot read past 60MB/s...
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You don't need to limit yourself to Class 10. You can look for UHS.
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I know, that's what I do. But the number of people who ask me for a "Class10", and the surprise on their faces when I explain this to them...You don't need to limit yourself to Class 10. You can look for UHS.
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Micro SD not good for random write, I tried Apacer 16G class10, Transcend 16G class10, Sandisk 4G class 4Which microSD? You see, there's 2 things we must pay attention to:I tried some microsd but IO very slow.even the mighty ccr1072 have only 128mb of nand, the rb1100ahx2 too
1) A "Class10" microSD has a guaranteed minimum speed of 10MB/s. But it doesn't say anything about the effective speed. A SD capable of 15MB/s is class10 - but a capable of 50MB/s is class10 too.
2) Wich microSD you used? Maybe it's a slow one.
Here You can see what I mean:
http://www.kingston.com/us/flash/microsd_cards
They are running fine with fat32, but some time it's lost all database and require to format after power outage
Then I tried ext3, I/O very low, write delay 1000 ~ 10000ms and timeout ~ 5%
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fat32 has no protection whatsoever against file system corruption. ext3 is journaled, so much better than fat32 on this point. But it can be a little... slow. Especially when updating the journal. The class4 sd will be too slow. Are You sure the other two are fast? Are them able to do more than, let's say, 40MB/s?Micro SD not good for random write, I tried Apacer 16G class10, Transcend 16G class10, Sandisk 4G class 4
They are running fine with fat32, but some time it's lost all database and require to format after power outage
Then I tried ext3, I/O very low, write delay 1000 ~ 10000ms and timeout ~ 5%
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They are real Class 10, I tested sequential write > 10MB/sfat32 has no protection whatsoever against file system corruption. ext3 is journaled, so much better than fat32 on this point. But it can be a little... slow. Especially when updating the journal. The class4 sd will be too slow. Are You sure the other two are fast? Are them able to do more than, let's say, 40MB/s?Micro SD not good for random write, I tried Apacer 16G class10, Transcend 16G class10, Sandisk 4G class 4
They are running fine with fat32, but some time it's lost all database and require to format after power outage
Then I tried ext3, I/O very low, write delay 1000 ~ 10000ms and timeout ~ 5%
Micro SD didn't made for random write
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normal micro sd is not intended for that useMicro SD not good for random write, I tried Apacer 16G class10, Transcend 16G class10, Sandisk 4G class 4Which microSD? You see, there's 2 things we must pay attention to:
I tried some microsd but IO very slow.
1) A "Class10" microSD has a guaranteed minimum speed of 10MB/s. But it doesn't say anything about the effective speed. A SD capable of 15MB/s is class10 - but a capable of 50MB/s is class10 too.
2) Wich microSD you used? Maybe it's a slow one.
Here You can see what I mean:
http://www.kingston.com/us/flash/microsd_cards
They are running fine with fat32, but some time it's lost all database and require to format after power outage
Then I tried ext3, I/O very low, write delay 1000 ~ 10000ms and timeout ~ 5%
try industrial micro sd
https://www.sandisk.com/oem-design/indu ... rial-cards
http://panasonic.net/avc/sdcard/industr ... html#micro
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I can't find any store selling them in my country, but I will try Samsung MicroSDHC 16GB PRO, seller tell me it use MLCnormal micro sd is not intended for that useMicro SD not good for random write, I tried Apacer 16G class10, Transcend 16G class10, Sandisk 4G class 4Which microSD? You see, there's 2 things we must pay attention to:
1) A "Class10" microSD has a guaranteed minimum speed of 10MB/s. But it doesn't say anything about the effective speed. A SD capable of 15MB/s is class10 - but a capable of 50MB/s is class10 too.
2) Wich microSD you used? Maybe it's a slow one.
Here You can see what I mean:
http://www.kingston.com/us/flash/microsd_cards
They are running fine with fat32, but some time it's lost all database and require to format after power outage
Then I tried ext3, I/O very low, write delay 1000 ~ 10000ms and timeout ~ 5%
try industrial micro sd
https://www.sandisk.com/oem-design/indu ... rial-cards
http://panasonic.net/avc/sdcard/industr ... html#micro
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I have RB3011UiAS-RM in my home, very nice router. But is it better to go "bigger" in this upcoming project, for example a Cloud Router? I (customer) need reliable performance
for his home network.
for his home network.
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Guys i am running my wifi network with x86 routeros for 2 years and decided to move to CCR1009-x but i need your advice in 2 things
- CCR1009 came with microsd card slot and microUSB type AB slot, which one of those u suggest me to move user manager too, forgive me for such a basic question cause in x86 none of this info matters for the huge hdd space available
- the second question and i would appreciate your opinions before doing that, can i use microUSB AB to attach "1 TB External Hdd storage" with a lot of movies stored inside to let my clients watch them offline instead of eating the ISP bandwidth with downloading movies but the microUSB AB which i think it's of USB 2.0 type not 3.0 so i don't know will the speed rate of data throughput be enough so i take a step forward and start doing that what do you think guys
- CCR1009 came with microsd card slot and microUSB type AB slot, which one of those u suggest me to move user manager too, forgive me for such a basic question cause in x86 none of this info matters for the huge hdd space available
- the second question and i would appreciate your opinions before doing that, can i use microUSB AB to attach "1 TB External Hdd storage" with a lot of movies stored inside to let my clients watch them offline instead of eating the ISP bandwidth with downloading movies but the microUSB AB which i think it's of USB 2.0 type not 3.0 so i don't know will the speed rate of data throughput be enough so i take a step forward and start doing that what do you think guys
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I tested with Samsung microSD Evo and Pro, work very well.Guys i am running my wifi network with x86 routeros for 2 years and decided to move to CCR1009-x but i need your advice in 2 things
- CCR1009 came with microsd card slot and microUSB type AB slot, which one of those u suggest me to move user manager too, forgive me for such a basic question cause in x86 none of this info matters for the huge hdd space available
- the second question and i would appreciate your opinions before doing that, can i use microUSB AB to attach "1 TB External Hdd storage" with a lot of movies stored inside to let my clients watch them offline instead of eating the ISP bandwidth with downloading movies but the microUSB AB which i think it's of USB 2.0 type not 3.0 so i don't know will the speed rate of data throughput be enough so i take a step forward and start doing that what do you think guys
Hotspot ~ 400 active clients, radius interim update 5 mins
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stick to UHS-I (UHS-II feats(same to UFS, XQD, which is ~ basically propriatery fork/derrivation of UHS-II))imply extra-contacts and electrial support, underlying, which is most devices lacking aswell as UHS-I support itself, but UHS-I label atleast mean that controller within card - wouldn't be so weak as it usually are. and of course UHS-I class 1 are slower than UHS-I Class 3.
after you sorted that out - you may(and would cuz, its imply 20-30x more flash storage and sometimes about 2.5x real/sustained speed benefits) go for cards/storage with "SLC" flash within.
usually those labeled with "Industral" in name - had SLC memory within. in NA for example brand "Swissbit" was popular, in Europe that was Apacer in Japan i saw lot of Pansonics and some Micron-branded cards(weird, that would be ODM product).
after you sorted that out - you may(and would cuz, its imply 20-30x more flash storage and sometimes about 2.5x real/sustained speed benefits) go for cards/storage with "SLC" flash within.
usually those labeled with "Industral" in name - had SLC memory within. in NA for example brand "Swissbit" was popular, in Europe that was Apacer in Japan i saw lot of Pansonics and some Micron-branded cards(weird, that would be ODM product).
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Thnx Miracle and indeed Samsung brand microSD Evo is the best in the market but I came eventually with SanDisk Ultra MicroSDHC UHS-I class 10 which is good tooI tested with Samsung microSD Evo and Pro, work very well.
Hotspot ~ 400 active clients, radius interim update 5 mins
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Yes thank you Zorro i will go with Sandisk Ultra UHS-I class 10 it's been used by many hi speed data rate devices and working well, maybe i won't need that high speed rate for my needs it will be for usermanager anyway thank you for the detailed infostick to UHS-I (UHS-II feats(same to UFS, XQD, which is ~ basically propriatery fork/derrivation of UHS-II))imply extra-contacts and electrial support, underlying, which is most devices lacking aswell as UHS-I support itself, but UHS-I label atleast mean that controller within card - wouldn't be so weak as it usually are. and of course UHS-I class 1 are slower than UHS-I Class 3.
after you sorted that out - you may(and would cuz, its imply 20-30x more flash storage and sometimes about 2.5x real/sustained speed benefits) go for cards/storage with "SLC" flash within.
usually those labeled with "Industral" in name - had SLC memory within. in NA for example brand "Swissbit" was popular, in Europe that was Apacer in Japan i saw lot of Pansonics and some Micron-branded cards(weird, that would be ODM product).
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you're welcome. i hope you find something that suit you needs finally.Yes thank you Zorro i will go with Sandisk Ultra UHS-I class 10 it's been used by many hi speed data rate devices and working well, maybe i won't need that high speed rate for my needs it will be for usermanager anyway thank you for the detailed infostick to UHS-I (UHS-II feats(same to UFS, XQD, which is ~ basically propriatery fork/derrivation of UHS-II))imply extra-contacts and electrial support, underlying, which is most devices lacking aswell as UHS-I support itself, but UHS-I label atleast mean that controller within card - wouldn't be so weak as it usually are. and of course UHS-I class 1 are slower than UHS-I Class 3.
after you sorted that out - you may(and would cuz, its imply 20-30x more flash storage and sometimes about 2.5x real/sustained speed benefits) go for cards/storage with "SLC" flash within.
usually those labeled with "Industral" in name - had SLC memory within. in NA for example brand "Swissbit" was popular, in Europe that was Apacer in Japan i saw lot of Pansonics and some Micron-branded cards(weird, that would be ODM product).
p.s.
benefits of "SLC"-made flash not only 25%-40% more speed, but 30-40x (or even bigger, depend what compared to) flash resource and sometimes more importantly - flash storage retention(thats why its major thing in enbedded flash for devices firmware, eg in routers, motherboards and etc(but NOR variation rarely used in generic storage devices;)).
i still can use some SLC flashdrives from say 2005 while MLC junk - rarely last a year(usually 3-5 month) and TLC flash, highly-appraised/requested by say Facebook - never operate well/flawless behind 1.5-2month usage. so yeah, Both controller type, flash type(and organisation) , DRAM buffer speed and size - matter.
there also was "gap-filler products" advertised to fill gap between SLC and MLC, but its worthless, partly because its still had 3-5x less than SLC resource/lifetime and partly because its tend to have SLC-alike pricing, which in both cases ruin whole point of. it may had SLC-alike speed benefits but for same impact - better controller and buffer much simpler to achieve so far.
Micron and Samsung - postpone their "SLC-alike" product(for later time?), but Transcend - keep releasing their "SmartMLC" branded flashdrives, cards and SSD's for awhile.
as for samsung flash - they switched from 40nm to 28nm in their latest 48x and 64x layer v-flash 3d chips and perhaps others too over time, which eventually decrease resource of their drives, which still remain bigger than micron, intel, hynx, etc - made flash memory with much smaller cells. they also switched to Charge Trap Flash type, which not increase overall(in cycles)resource much, but Greatly improve retention of data in SLC, MLC and TLC flash. i wonder if someone can combine that thing with SLC and SLC-alike memory
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I use ssd SLC instead of MLC in my x86 server (debian). There is only one problem it does not support the TRIM.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/KingSpec-SSD-1-8 ... Sw8d9Uv7Ez
http://www.ebay.de/itm/KingSpec-SSD-1-8 ... Sw8d9Uv7Ez
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i advise to use usb 3 SSD external for such task
by which you guarantee of a minimum 400mbs read write and if not possible where you come from,search for usb 3 SD card but genuine one not chinese or from any store,pay extra for it but its critical job will be much beyond price
by which you guarantee of a minimum 400mbs read write and if not possible where you come from,search for usb 3 SD card but genuine one not chinese or from any store,pay extra for it but its critical job will be much beyond price
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most (apacer and transcend aren't exception. industrial panasonic and toshiba are, but they are rare)SLC-made cards and ssd - rely on very ancient controller, which simply didn't support "trim" in its firmware and they (apparently)not want invest money into hiring someone to write update to it.I use ssd SLC instead of MLC in my x86 server (debian). There is only one problem it does not support the TRIM.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/KingSpec-SSD-1-8 ... Sw8d9Uv7Ez
aside lack fo trim and notably smaller size(than anyone tend to expect from) - its pretty handy sticks/cards/ssds option, when size arent as big concern as reliability are.