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Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:32 am

Ok,

I have three 90 degree pac wireless horizontal sectors
two rb532a
one 532 is running two engenius 400mw cards connected to sectors with 3 feet of lmr400 ufl to female to the radio card.
the other 532 is running on sector with a 400 mw card and the other 400mw card is running 5ghz as a backhaul to another tower with a 2foot dish 29dbi

the sectors are 17dbi i believe


on the one 532a with two sectors, i have two pppoe servers running on that one routerboard.. i now have 29 customers on one pppoe server and 23 customers on the other pppoe server

so that is 53 customers i have connected to two sectors. here recently when i added two more customers to those ap's.. i have been experiencing very high ping times.. but it is only on that ap to the customer

if i do a ping from that routerboard to another routerboard, im using ospf by the way, the ping times are fine. I do have canopy equipment that interferes a little about 4 miles away but they haven't given me a real big problem yet.

i am using 2.4ghz 10mhz on one antenna and 2.4ghz 5mhz on another antenna and 2.4 ghz g on a completely different routerboard that is on the same tower.

is there a set limit on how many people can connect and run on one routerboard? is it per radio card? per pppoe server?

i'm stumped i've changed frequencies, helped a lil but not much.. i temporarily disconnected a few customers, it helped out somewhat... is it that i need to upgrade this 532 to a 600 or a 433?

which is better performing? 433 or 600?

any ideas?
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:06 pm

What are you doing for QoS?
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:57 pm

i used various kinds, i've tried simple queues and queue trees..
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:23 am

be sure sectors are seperated as much as possible (at least a meter or more).
Would also do some good to use a third router/radio in seperate enclosure to isolate the signals.

Also keep in mind that even though the band is 10/5MHz wide the receiver still listens to the full 20MHz.
This means that you must use 1 6 11 non-overlap channels.

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You may even want to replace the channel 6 sector antenna with a vertical sector for additional polarity seperation.
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:17 am

be sure sectors are seperated as much as possible (at least a meter or more).
Would also do some good to use a third router/radio in seperate enclosure to isolate the signals.

Also keep in mind that even though the band is 10/5MHz wide the receiver still listens to the full 20MHz.
This means that you must use 1 6 11 non-overlap channels.

EDIT:
You may even want to replace the channel 6 sector antenna with a vertical sector for additional polarity seperation.
I don't mean to argue, but can you give a source that says that about listening on 20MHz channel? I've read that, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:19 am

Only the older cards listen on 20mhz such as the CM9
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:49 am

It is something I'd like to understand better. If the card is capable of 40/20/10/5, why does it always listen on 20MHz? Shouldn't it listen for all 40MHz if that is the case?

I take it, from your comment JCWN, the R52 and above doesn't have this limitation? CM9 is what, 5004 chipset, R52 is 5006, right?
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:29 pm

From what I have learned about interference. I have spaced them out as far as I could and still sometimes I have to put them closer together to get the right amount quality. The signal's might be a little worse but the quality is there. I have a lot of a few providers in my area that are using canopy and amps. What's the best way to handle amp'ers?
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:18 pm

It has to do with the LNA for received signals.
A 40Meg channel is really 2 - 20Meg Channels (check it out on a spec-anal).
The LNA is not under control of the Atheros chipset.

That is how I understand it....
 
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Re: Calling in the big guns. 2.4 ghz g/10mhz/5mhz

Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:40 pm

Ok, got it.
I guess my question now, the low noise amp is different than the broadcast, right? PA is power amplifier?

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