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What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:46 pm
by hkr
Hello,

I am thinking of building a device for home use, but foremost: for the fun of building a "system" :-)

I currently have a CATV internet connection with 50/5 Mbps, upgradable up to 80/5. My current DualWAN SOHO router is a bottleneck as it cannot route more than cca. 25 Mbps from WAN to LAN, and on WiFi it never goes above 11 Mbps... I am sure residential fibre will also arrive at my place sooner or later, so I want to build something that can handle 100-120 Mbps+ at least when those speeds become available. Also, I have a couple of backup links: ADSL with PPPoE, some HSxPA modems/routers. I also have a neighbour who gets his internet from me on 100 Mbps Ethernet.

So I need a box with at least 3 WAN ports, a few LAN switch ports (switch), 100-150+ Mbps throughput from WAN->LAN using NAT, a G or N WLAN AP with good bandwidth. If there is a possibility for USB (for 3G modems, printers, storage) that would be great, but I can live without that. My current router also has inbuilt VoIP ATA, so it would be a nice extra to have that option on the new router, maybe a light Asterisk, but that again is an extra.

I want to have failover from CATV to DSL, and if that also fails, to 3G, or load balance between DSL and 3G... Also, I want to be able to manage QoS and bandwidth my neighbour can use on the various interfaces.

What RouterBoard do you recommend for me? Also, What else do I need beside the motherboard? Ie. cards, cables, power supply, case, CF card?
I was thinking about the 493AH, but I am not sure.

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:48 pm
by hedele
You should take a Look at the RB 433UAH - it should do most of the stuff you want (except VoIP ATA):
* FastEthernet (might hurt lateron if you get Fiber with > 100 Mbit)
* USB (for HSxPA, not for Printing)
* Wireless

The 433UAH can work with all your WAN Links (Cable, PPPoE over DSL and HSxPA USB Stick), but is limited to only 3 LAN Ports and FastEthernet.
You also need a Case, Power Supply, a wireless card and an antenna (or two, if you use Wireless-N). All of that stuff can be bought where you get the Board from.

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:43 pm
by hkr
Dear hedele,

Thanks for the hint. I still have not chosen a routerboard, I am currently hesitating over 3 models: 433UAH, 493AH and 600. All of these have features I like (USB / 9 ports / gigabit) , it would be great to see them built in one :)

Browsing this forum I found people complaining about:

- RB493AH having a low throughput if the ports are used as switch
- RB600 being noisy

What I see is that ISPs are increasing their residential bandwidth, and although at the place where I live 80 Mbps is the maximum, there already are places with 120 Mbps, and fibre coverage has just started to grow. So a router with GE ports would be forward thinking. But I am afraid of the noise of fans as I have to sleep close to the router. Also, then I will need to buy a separate switch. Or two. As it has no USB, I need a separate router for 3G (I have two capable units, but why use more power than necessary?)

As for the 493AH, I like that it has 9 Ethernet port, which would spare me the cost of a switch. But if throughput is really as low as people complain, it is of no use. Also, I need to run the 3G connection using a separate router.

The 433UAH has the advantage of the USB-port for 3G, but then again I need a switch, and still have no gigabit...

At this very moment I am inclined to choose the RB600. But is it not too loud to sleep close to it?

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:49 pm
by normis
RB600 doesn't have a Fan or any other moving parts, I don't get it - how can it be noisy :shock: ? Maybe the other posters meant wireless transmission noise ?

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:54 pm
by hkr
Not sure if he meant noise on the link, but possibly I just misunderstood what he posted:-)

Anyway, does the RB600 require fans to be installed? I see that the brochure mentions fan control. Is it possible to run it without any cooling when run at normal room temperatures?

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:13 am
by normis
normally RB600 are shipped with no fans, and there is no specific need for a fan. It comes with heatsinks. Fans can be connected if you have the device on a pole in a desert for example

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:38 pm
by hkr
So yesterday I bought an RB600A + R52N, case, antennas, powersupply and got the unit assembled. The most difficult thing was finding a suitable RS232 cable :-)
I now have ether2 as a WAN-port with DHCP-client, ether1 as LAN with DHCP server, and NAT between the two ports.

I have upgraded the OS to 4.x, and the wlan1 interface has now appeared, and I already see the SSID broadcast. But I am a bit stuck with setting up the wlan1 to act as a simple home AP. I have tried bridging wlan1 with ether1 (the LAN port) but I seem unable to achieve any real result. Can anyone point me to a good step-by-step manual on how to setup a plain simple wireless AP with a DHCP server it shares in common with ether1?

Re: What do I need? What can I use it for?

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:39 pm
by hkr
UPDATE: I do not know what I did, but the AP started to work :-)

It is slow though... Interestingly, while I get the full 50/5 Mbps on wired link, I only get about 15 / 3 on WLAN... So it requires some more experimentation I think.