) Mikrotik CAN connect to a 3rd party AP. It just can't repeat the signal without WDS.Why is that? Can somebody explain why a € 30,- repeater from China can do what I don't seem to be able to make a RB751U-2HnD do?
It would make a great funcion for these boxes if with only one radio (=cheap and no interference) an outdoor SSID can be reproduced in strength for indoor use. If the signal is not strong enough indoor to be picked up by the RB751 its simple to attach a lead with a good outdoor antenna.
What is preventing th erb751U to connect to an 3rd party AP? TP-link can and they are even cheaper! (But I'd like MT routeros..
the part where this gentleman said have 2 radios is exactly what your describing, with repeating EXTRA ssid'sMikrotik CAN connect to a 3rd party AP. It just can't repeat the signal without WDS.Why is that? Can somebody explain why a € 30,- repeater from China can do what I don't seem to be able to make a RB751U-2HnD do?
It would make a great funcion for these boxes if with only one radio (=cheap and no interference) an outdoor SSID can be reproduced in strength for indoor use. If the signal is not strong enough indoor to be picked up by the RB751 its simple to attach a lead with a good outdoor antenna.
What is preventing th erb751U to connect to an 3rd party AP? TP-link can and they are even cheaper! (But I'd like MT routeros..
If your mikrotik has 2 radios... then yes, it can repeat. One radio is station, the other is client.
To make this work the way we want it to with 1 radio to repeat, mikrotik needs to add STATION+CLIENT mode.
by the way its rj12hmm, so station-client mode (in MT terminology this would be "AP-bridge/bridge-station" mode) is something MT cannot do?
What is a radio actually doing when in this 'repeater' function? Is the radio simply switching between AP and Client-station mode each cpu cycle?
I have a Ruckus router that is even possible to transmit two new SSID's in its AP/repeater function where it associates to another SSID. Ideal! But they cost around € 100,- and are even declared EOL.
If TP-Link is able to make a box for € 28,- that can be either a full AP or a Repeater I don't understand that MT does not have the same ability.
Imagine the following great product: A wifi router that can associate with an metro SSID (if of need with an external small antenna to pick up some better signal from remote metro AP) and than transmits with a local SSID (set by owner, can be even 2 or more SSID's for user separation, each with its own authentication and encryption) a strong signal network inside the house and have 4 Ethernet ports and/or usb port that make it able to connect wired devices like storage, desktop, Voip adapter, printer etc.
Actually the Voip adapter should be build in as well. Have one extra analogue rj22/FXO port on the box and you'll have all in one single device!
Now I need an outdoor antenna, POE-inserter, Voip Adapter and Wifi modem to do the same. 3 boxes with 3 power leads and at least 3 network cables. (No other devices connected yet!)
What comes close so far:
- Ruckus 7200 series. Lacks the Voip and only one Ethernet port, no usb.
- TP Link WA830-RE. Lacks the Voip and only one Ethernet port, no usb. no private ISSD/encryption
- MT-751U-2Hnd. Lacks the Voip, no private ISSD and only WDS funcionality
Maybe there is other stuff on the market. Let me know. But anything more than 100usd makes it less interesting I presume....
Some devices do this with a single radio, not 2. You lose half your bandwidth, though. Mikrotik doesn't offer this feature with a single radio. DD-WRT can do this with 1 radio, as can some of the other custom WRT firmwares.the part where this gentleman said have 2 radios is exactly what your describing, with repeating EXTRA ssid's
its because what ever device that is it has 2 wireless cards in side the box that you cant see unless you open it with your clever screwdriver.
Exactly, and any radio's that can participate in mesh can do it, so that's a whole range of vendors.Some devices do this with a single radio, not 2. You lose half your bandwidth, though. Mikrotik doesn't offer this feature with a single radio. DD-WRT can do this with 1 radio, as can some of the other custom WRT firmwares.the part where this gentleman said have 2 radios is exactly what your describing, with repeating EXTRA ssid's
its because what ever device that is it has 2 wireless cards in side the box that you cant see unless you open it with your clever screwdriver.
I don't know the tech behind it, but it is a feature of the radio chipset itself. Atheros calls it Client Bridge or something, and Broadcom calls it Repeater Bridge or something, etc.Exactly, and any radio's that can participate in mesh can do it, so that's a whole range of vendors.Some devices do this with a single radio, not 2. You lose half your bandwidth, though. Mikrotik doesn't offer this feature with a single radio. DD-WRT can do this with 1 radio, as can some of the other custom WRT firmwares.the part where this gentleman said have 2 radios is exactly what your describing, with repeating EXTRA ssid's
its because what ever device that is it has 2 wireless cards in side the box that you cant see unless you open it with your clever screwdriver.
But my interest is more in the techs behind it. Any radio engaged in a link is sending-receiving-sending alternating all the time. Its in the 802.11 protocol I think where is actually arranged or agreed upon who is AP and who is client. Same protocol allows proprietary wds solutions but there is obviously also a way the repeater functionality can be arranged. I was just hoping someone of you guys could give me a bit of a technical lecture on this without the need to start digging the internet to find the info... And in sharing such info here on the forum others can find info useful as well.
How do you know their particular chipset doesn't have that feature? Even the cheapest routers at walmart have that feature in the chipset. It's pretty standard. Whether or not they decide to enable or implement that feature, that is up to the person programming the router software.well, MT uses very general Atheros chip sets so Imho it is not so much a feature of the chip sets. But I might be wrong...
Well simple. Without looking at the actual chipsets, I can figure out that MT-ROS will not have that function in-dependable of the chipset. You can put a ubnt card, a TP-link (!) a dBII or a MT card in their routerboards. The function is not there and we now sort of covered a big chunk of the chip market.How do you know their particular chipset doesn't have that feature? Even the cheapest routers at walmart have that feature in the chipset. It's pretty standard. Whether or not they decide to enable or implement that feature, that is up to the person programming the router software.well, MT uses very general Atheros chip sets so Imho it is not so much a feature of the chip sets. But I might be wrong...
It is in the chipset, but the operating system has to show it as an option if you want to use it. You can't put a ubnt card in the mikrotik and then get access to functions that definately exist in the card if mikrotik doesn't make those functions a choice.Well simple. Without looking at the actual chipsets, I can figure out that MT-ROS will not have that function in-dependable of the chipset. You can put a ubnt card, a TP-link (!) a dBII or a MT card in their routerboards. The function is not there and we now sort of covered a big chunk of the chip market.How do you know their particular chipset doesn't have that feature? Even the cheapest routers at walmart have that feature in the chipset. It's pretty standard. Whether or not they decide to enable or implement that feature, that is up to the person programming the router software.well, MT uses very general Atheros chip sets so Imho it is not so much a feature of the chip sets. But I might be wrong...
Even a TP-link card will not bring the function where TP-link does have it in their own routers.
My conclusion would be its not the chipset, its the operating system running it... (ROS) But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
hmm, if that is true, why would MT than not just enable that extra functionality in their ROS. It would give them a great sales point, won't cost them anything and actually I see no setbacks for them in enabling it. So I don't know if it is that easy.... or these guys are a bit ............It is in the chipset, but the operating system has to show it as an option if you want to use it. You can't put a ubnt card in the mikrotik and then get access to functions that definately exist in the card if mikrotik doesn't make those functions a choice.
If mikrotik removed wds from the choices, it would still exist as a function of the chip... you just wouldn't be able to use it. Same goes for repeater.
As proof that this is a function inside the chipset: "Some devices that DD-WRT works on do not offer the repeater mode. The DD-WRT firmware has it as a choice, but not all radio chips support it." That right there is proof that the repeater function is a feature of the radio, not just the software.hmm, if that is true, why would MT than not just enable that extra functionality in their ROS. It would give them a great sales point, won't cost them anything and actually I see no setbacks for them in enabling it. So I don't know if it is that easy.... or these guys are a bit ............It is in the chipset, but the operating system has to show it as an option if you want to use it. You can't put a ubnt card in the mikrotik and then get access to functions that definately exist in the card if mikrotik doesn't make those functions a choice.
If mikrotik removed wds from the choices, it would still exist as a function of the chip... you just wouldn't be able to use it. Same goes for repeater.
