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Infringement Torrents
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:04 am
by heavyd
I am getting allot of Infringement copyright notices and would like to know if there is anyway I can pass them to the client's while they are coming from a natted ip address.
1. Is there anyway to do this with Mikrotik?
2. Is there any hardware/software ?
3. Just apply for my own block of IP address?
Any suggestion
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:30 am
by derr12
you would pretty much have to assign a 1-1 nat to every user with a unique public IP.
You can look into outright blocking bit torrent and peer to peer, having an bandwidth usage limit and enforcement of that limit will pretty much eliminate dvd downloaders.
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:51 am
by normis
Torrents these days use encryption, and in RouterOS, you can't filter them, because patterns are different each time. What you could do, is work in reverse - allow all known and good traffic (web, mail, etc) and mark the rest for speed limit of say 32Kbps. Users will not want to download anything then.
Of course you can do this only if you have denied torrenting in your contract with the user
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:27 am
by heavyd
I allow torrents on the network
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:56 am
by normis
OK, so the only option is to somehow track the origin of the infringement. Giving them public IPs is not an option?
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:11 am
by heavyd
I need to apply for my own /20 then which cost $$$
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:01 pm
by richk
Torrents these days use encryption, and in RouterOS, you can't filter them, because patterns are different each time. What you could do, is work in reverse - allow all known and good traffic (web, mail, etc) and mark the rest for speed limit of say 32Kbps. Users will not want to download anything then.
Of course you can do this only if you have denied torrenting in your contract with the user
We provide Wireless HotSpot Solutions to Hotels and some of our hotel clients have got the infringement letters from their ISPs. There is no way for us to track which guest is downloading these torrents. Users are getting an internal LAN ip and some hotels have 100+ users at a given time. We want to block all torrents (or make them extremely slow) but dont want affect other traffic like web, mail, skype, vpns, etc.
Any recommendations?
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:56 pm
by igac
One way which I have done is to log all connections to another server so you have internal-external ip/port pairs + time.
with that you could find where specific user(ip) was connected at some point in time.
Logs do grow pretty large but you can compress them daily/weekly and hdd space is cheap these days.
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:07 pm
by SurferTim
I've received a few of these from Paramount. Normally they supply the torrent site they were found. I block access to them.
I told Paramount last time that picking on the end user is like arresting all the pot smokers, but allowing drug dealers to go free. The torrent sites need to be shut down, or even better, the way Frankenstein ends...angry mob, pitchforks, torches, burning, etc.
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:10 pm
by normis
Sounds good in theory, but it will never happen. Here in our country, 100% of internet users download movies illegally (even though some 2% maybe have purchased a movie in some way)
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:19 pm
by SurferTim
So Latvia is a country of pirates? Just kidding.
It may be close to that here in the US, but it would not be 100%. I don't download pirated movies.
I still say the torrent sites should be blocked. That has proven to be easier for me. If they can't find a place to associate with other pirates, they have a much harder time finding a pirated movie download.
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:21 pm
by normis
Even google happily gives you torrent links (try it).
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:28 pm
by SurferTim
Google will happily give you links to anything. Drugs, prostitution, porn, crime, etc. That does not legalize it. As a matter of fact, it should make it easier for us to find and block them.
It would be nice to have an organization like Spamhaus that you could subscribe to and get a "block list" for illegal torrent sites. Anything like that around?
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:30 pm
by normis
Good question! Anybody?
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:22 pm
by SurferTim
@normis or MT team: I have been dwelling on this problem lately with the new anti-piracy stuff about to happen. How many entries will "/ip dns static" hold?
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:25 pm
by normis
You need a lot of RAM (CCR with 16GB for example). We have tested 50'000 entries, and it took some 30MB of RAM, but we have not tested lots more.
Re: Infringement Torrents
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:32 pm
by SurferTim
You need a lot of RAM (CCR with 16GB for example). We have tested 50'000 entries, and it took some 30MB of RAM, but we have not tested lots more.
30MB for 50,000? If that is true, then that is not bad. I hope there is not more than 50,000 illegal torrent sites. I'm hoping just to block the major ones.
And I know there is always a way around it. Just like door locks, they only keep honest people honest. There will always be pirates.
edit: I look at this like a roach or rat problem. You do not need to find the nest, just where they gather to feed.
It is obvious the motion picture companies know where to go to find pirates. That is how they found me and the OP to send us those "friendly reminders". Maybe they would be willing to share that info with us?
Actually, Paramount Pictures was quite frank about the thing. They did not seem to care as much that the user had downloaded the movie, but they were now a seeder. They were uploading the movies to others. Some users did not even know that was part of the deal when they "subscribed" to the torrent site.