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951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:55 pm
by lkthomas
I just got my first RouterBoard which is 951G-2HnD, did some testing and max sped is 300Mbps; Is this board too slow for 1Gbps connection? or there is some misconfiguration I have done on this board?
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:59 pm
by normis
how did you do the test? single TCP connection will always show lower number than multiple UDP connections (like torrent).
but please note that this is one of the lowest cost APs we have and is meant for moderate home use. 300-400Mbit is what you could expect with standard config.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:15 pm
by Quindor
I just got my first RouterBoard which is 951G-2HnD, did some testing and max sped is 300Mbps; Is this board too slow for 1Gbps connection? or there is some misconfiguration I have done on this board?
What exactly are you trying to do?
Switching, routing or NAT?
Switching it should do full 1Gbps Full-Duplex on all ports, routing 500Mbit ish and with NAT 250-300Mbps. So if you are talking about a 1Gbps internet connection which requires NAT for instance, no, you have the wrong model for your situation.
Please please explain you usage case a bit better so we might be able to figure out if you actually have a problem with the device or configuration.
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Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:37 pm
by lkthomas
I am running simple broadband NAT, my goal is to reach 1Gbps for NAT routing, looks like I bought wrong model to do NAT routing.
And yes, I could only reach 300Mbps max and at that traffic, CPU jump up 100%!
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:40 pm
by lkthomas
for benchmark, I use
http://www.speedtest.net to do testing.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:11 pm
by normis
Something like this is more suited to get such speed for NAT routing Gigabit speeds
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S
The RB1100 also, but they are both rackmountable units. We will soon start shipping CCR1009 core in a smaller, silent case (the -PC model). Maybe this one you will like.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:45 pm
by lkthomas
Problem is that I am using 1Gbps broadband at home, doesn't make sense to spend 425USD just for a router which could route 1Gbps NAT traffic, I believe I could get something like TP-Link at half of the price (or less)
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:48 pm
by normis
Problem is that I am using 1Gbps broadband at home, doesn't make sense to spend 425USD just for a router which could route 1Gbps NAT traffic, I believe I could get something like TP-Link at half of the price (or less)
In this case, NAT routing speed will be even much lower.
I personally use Switch mode for my main computer, to get real IP address, and use only the other ports for LAN. This way, you will get full 1Gb for one device, and rest can be routed or what you wish
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:32 pm
by jarda
Some cheap tp links have hardware accelerated nat so they are able to provide more than 900Mbps thru it. But they are missing everything else that mikrotik offers. If you need real router with custom set of rules, you will fall into cpu processing even with hw nat. So you can buy bad and cheap nat or good but not so cheap router. Go for 1100ahx2 and you will be happy. Suggestion by normis is not a way as you wouldn't like to expose your home computer to public Internet, I guess.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:49 pm
by honzam
Some cheap tp links have hardware accelerated nat
+1
Add hardware NAT for you new routers. For example - DualBand routerboard like rb951G, rb2011, etc...
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:09 pm
by jarda
DualBand routerboard like rb951G, rb2011, etc...
What does it mean? There are not such dual band devices... (Actually, only Groove52 is dual band, all others are single band only, unfortunatelly). Better than dual band would be double radio with dual band possibilities for both radios.
But anyway hardware assisted NAT without full feature possibilities that ROS offers would not be so great thing because everyone uses some settings that would prevent the hardware accellerator to work. But, if it could be without any impact on price, Let it Be!
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:00 pm
by honzam
I thing future products.... Now has no RouterBOARD hardware NAT?
It would be nice include hardware NAT in future products...
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:59 pm
by InoX
The problem is that mikrotik team don't want to implement hardware NAT since a simple router like TL-WDR3600 that uses AR9344 has hardware NAT but no mikrotik product with the same cpu has this feature. And there are a lot of RB's with this cpu.
Or maybe they lack the know-how.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:37 am
by normis
Generally these other brand devices have limits on number of connections, when you exceed some 1000 connections or so, everything stops working or becomes very slow. We are certainly researching hardware accelerated NAT, but I just wanted to clarify the potential implications of this technology.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:40 am
by Raf
The problem is that mikrotik team don't want to implement hardware NAT since a simple router like TL-WDR3600 that uses AR9344 has hardware NAT but no mikrotik product with the same cpu has this feature. And there are a lot of RB's with this cpu.
Or maybe they lack the know-how.
HNAT isn't located in CPU InoX. Actually it is located in Atheros switch chip. MikroTIk uses model AR8327 and TP-LINK (and others also) uses AR8327N model. Notice the last letter N in model name. It stands for Hardware NAT feature built-in. I was e-mailing MikroTik support long time ago about this chip but maybe Normis is right about all downsides of this feature.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:25 pm
by InoX
Didn't know that but it will be very interesting to implement hardware NAT at least in dual core routers. Indeed tplink routers needs reset from time to time for the hnat to work, a lot of people are complaining on forums. In Romania almost all providers ofers speeds from 200mbps on cable tv to 1Gbps on fiber (for under 20$/month) so there is an real need for HNAT.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:38 pm
by peper
Didn't know that but it will be very interesting to implement hardware NAT at least in dual core routers. Indeed tplink routers needs reset from time to time for the hnat to work, a lot of people are complaining on forums. In Romania almost all providers ofers speeds from 200mbps on cable tv to 1Gbps on fiber (for under 20$/month) so there is an real need for HNAT.
1 Gbit cost $20/month in Romania? Cool! You must have a highest average internet connection speeds in the world! Or "offers" doesn't mean a lot of customers buy it?
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:38 pm
by InoX
In fact :
1Gbps - 14.25$
100mbps - 7.5$
Many of us still have 100mbps connections. Is more than enough for normal people.
AW: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:52 am
by barkas
A ubiquiti edgerouter will nicely do 1g with an OK feature set.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:17 pm
by Spaham
Something like this is more suited to get such speed for NAT routing Gigabit speeds
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S
The RB1100 also, but they are both rackmountable units. We will soon start shipping CCR1009 core in a smaller, silent case (the -PC model). Maybe this one you will like.
Hmm how soon ?
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I purchased a RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN and unfortunately it is way too "small" for my fiber gigabit connexion
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I wish you'd sell a CCR1009 that supports wifi AP as well !
A lot of people here (in france) have now access to gigabit fiber for around 30€/month, so this IS becoming a real market !
thanks
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:20 am
by normis
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:52 am
by peper
Cool! Can you do the same trick with wall/ceiling mountable AC access point?
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Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:11 am
by honzam
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:49 pm
by peper
Well, I mean retail ready to run product, not do it yourself.
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Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:51 pm
by honzam
Well, I mean retail ready to run product, not do it yourself.
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Still waiting....
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Now only home made
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Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:39 pm
by Novaline
Dears,
I confirm that the 951g-2hnd is not able to carry more than 300-400 Mbps on 1Gbps link. In this case: which Mikrotik router do you recommend to fully use 1Gbps?
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:54 pm
by xvo
Dears,
I confirm that the 951g-2hnd is not able to carry more than 300-400 Mbps on 1Gbps link. In this case: which Mikrotik router do you recommend to fully use 1Gbps?
hAP ac2/RB450Gx4 and up.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:43 pm
by Novaline
Dears,
I confirm that the 951g-2hnd is not able to carry more than 300-400 Mbps on 1Gbps link. In this case: which Mikrotik router do you recommend to fully use 1Gbps?
hAP ac2/RB450Gx4 and up.
And what You say about HEX S? Better? Worse? (I do not need wifi antenna inside)
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:56 pm
by mkx
Check official test results, available for all devices. While absolute numbers don't quite resemble reality, they still show relative speed of devices. If one device is twice as fast in test, it will be approximately twice as fast in reality as well.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:39 am
by xvo
And what You say about HEX S? Better? Worse? (I do not need wifi antenna inside)
Not exactly worse. Just different.
Nevertheless - slower: will cap at 800-900 in real-life scenarios.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:01 am
by mkx
And what You say about HEX S? Better? Worse? (I do not need wifi antenna inside)
Not exactly worse. Just different.
Nevertheless - slower: will cap at 800-900 in real-life scenarios.
If you're extremely lucky. More likely hEX S won't go any faster than 400Mbps when routing/firewalling/NATing while hAP ac²/RB450Gx4 will actually get pretty close to 1Gbps in same scenario. (According to official test results, hEX S is some 50% faster than RB951G and if realistic results for RB951G are around 300Mbps, then around 400Mbps is what you can get with hEX S).
hAP ac² and hEX S come with same suggested price. hAP ac² has wifi and hEX S has SFP port. You are free not to use either if you don't need them (you can just disable wireless), in this case choice between the two of them is no-brainer. If you actually need either wireless or SFP port, then there isn't much of a choice.
BTW, if you fancy hEX S but don't need SFP port, then you can go with RB750Gr3 ("plain" hEX), it has same CPU as hEX S but no SFP port ... and should be slightly cheaper. Performance is the same as hEX S, so hAP ac² is still the winner.
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:32 am
by xvo
If you're extremely lucky.
No luck involved here.
As surprising as it is.
Regular config: NAT, firewall, fasttrack (obviously).
Even tested the case when WAN connection is L2TP couple of days ago - still good results (800/700mbit).
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:19 pm
by xvo
That's hEX on the latest 6.46.7 (long-term).
As I have 300/800 + 600/600 as my Internet connection, I even tried to add something parallel to speedtest, to see if I can push it up to the full gigabit, but no luck there.
So I guess that's actually as much as it can do.
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Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:45 pm
by Novaline
Dears,
I confirm that the 951g-2hnd is not able to carry more than 300-400 Mbps on 1Gbps link. In this case: which Mikrotik router do you recommend to fully use 1Gbps?
hAP ac2/RB450Gx4 and up.
Is
Mikrotik RouterBoard RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC hAP ac2
up?
This one will do?
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:11 pm
by xvo
Is
Mikrotik RouterBoard RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC hAP ac2
up?
This one will do?
I meant up the product line.
Starting from hAP ac2 and then to more powerful/expensive models.
hAP ac2 will be ok for 1Gbit as long as traffic can be fasttracked (for example with the default config).
If you need load balancing, queues, or IPSec faster then ~250Mbit/sec, then you should look for higher models - RB4011, CCR1009, CCR2004
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:18 pm
by Novaline
I meant up the product line.
Starting from hAP ac2 and then to more powerful/expensive models.
hAP ac2 will be ok for 1Gbit as long as traffic can be fasttracked (for example with the default config).
If you need load balancing, queues, or IPSec faster then ~250Mbit/sec, then you should look for higher models - RB4011, CCR1009, CCR2004
These 3 are not my league. I need it for home and small office use. I have 1Gb connection and want to fully use it. My 951 can't stand more than 300-350, that's why i look for a model that will do.
So, I buy this hAP ac2 and leave feedback after configuring. Thanks a lot!
Re: 951G-2HnD too slow for 1Gbps connection?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:19 pm
by JKyselka
I meant up the product line.
Starting from hAP ac2 and then to more powerful/expensive models.
hAP ac2 will be ok for 1Gbit as long as traffic can be fasttracked (for example with the default config).
If you need load balancing, queues, or IPSec faster then ~250Mbit/sec, then you should look for higher models - RB4011, CCR1009, CCR2004
These 3 are not my league. I need it for home and small office use. I have 1Gb connection and want to fully use it. My 951 can't stand more than 300-350, that's why i look for a model that will do.
So, I buy this hAP ac2 and leave feedback after configuring. Thanks a lot!
Hi Novaline, do you have some new information for us? What about hAP AC2? Did you buy it? Is the speed throughput better? Thanks.