MikroTik

Curious about this new beast.

Asked Normunds at the MUM about the switch chips and block diagram and he told me it hasn't anything to do with the RB2011, suggesting me to ask here.

A block diagram, RAM size and switch chips used plus any other hardware details would be welcome, as RB2011 is already one of the most deployed devices given its flexibility and price/performance ratio.

+1
More info on rb3011. Block diagram, input voltage, etc...

what power unit it use?
what PoE standart it use on port_10 ?

is there any possibility to have 2 minipci-e slot, for dual band router?

Unfortunately only option for dual band is USB radio

RB3011 will not be dual band. There is also no ability to make it dual band, since it only has one slot for wireless

Unfortunately only option for dual band is USB radio

This is not possible. Usb radio is not supported in V6

What a pitty, sometimes it can be handy. Anyway it looks like hAP ac is actually the only possible way to get dual band ac - I haven't seen simultaneous dualband ac cards.

Can we get block diagram of 3011? It is 2q of 2015 now

I asked Janis about the internals at the MUM, here is a few clarifications:

2 switch chips, each 5x 1GBit ports.
Each switch chip connected to CPU with a 2GBit link.

1x MiniPCI-E for wireless cards.

CPU brand/type unknown.

And what about hardware aes support?

And what about hardware aes support?

Since CPU brand/type is currently unknown, if it supports aes hw acceleration is also unknown.

I asked Janis about the internals at the MUM, here is a few clarifications:

2 switch chips, each 5x 1GBit ports.
Each switch chip connected to CPU with a 2GBit link.

1x MiniPCI-E for wireless cards.

CPU brand/type unknown.

Oh wow, that would be a big upgrade over everything with a switch chip that they used before. Even the CCR1009 has a 1Gbit link internally to the 4x1Gbps connected through the switch chip.

Are you sure he said 2Gbps per switch chip link, or maybe he meant 1Gbps to each switch chip so 2Gbps in total, but not shared.

Oh wow, that would be a big upgrade over everything with a switch chip that they used before. Even the CCR1009 has a 1Gbit link internally to the 4x1Gbps connected through the switch chip.

Are you sure he said 2Gbps per switch chip link, or maybe he meant 1Gbps to each switch chip so 2Gbps in total, but not shared.

I asked specifically if each switch chip has a 2Gbps full-duplex link to the CPU.
To that the answer was yes.

I would not take it as a "this will be 100% in the production hardware" quote, rather as a "from my memory, this is what is in it" quote.
He did not look at any specs or anything else, I just caught him at the table with these questions.

And what about hardware aes support?

Since CPU brand/type is currently unknown, if it supports aes hw acceleration is also unknown.

Unknown for us but well known for them

And what about hardware aes support?

Since CPU brand/type is currently unknown, if it supports aes hw acceleration is also unknown.

its likely one of "off the shelf" inexpensive A9 twin-core SoC.
which explain relatively small performance (for twin-core 1.2Ghz chip).
a12/a17 do about 42% more performance than A9 (on same clock on similar die)
and a53 and a57 do about 2.5x and 4x times (in peak not sustaine/stressed)more performance than A9 chips, respectively.
interestingly thats newer chips not really much bigger(in transistors)and consume not really more(especiallycompared to performance boost)power than aged A9 chips.
just hope its not (extremely buggy. both in hardware/sdk)Broadcom chips. best case scenario - qualcomm krait chips in-between - new Marvel chips and recent Mediatek ARM chips.
anyway, FPU/VFPv4 and SIMDNEON portions did neat tricks against math in any ARM chips(up to 32 64b registers and FMA feats for half-precision in some chips. if properly supported by firmware/software, of course.

p.s.
even in absence of FPU(which isn't usual for recent generations even entry-level chips)- ARM devices had Much better FPU emulation(than MIPS32/MIPS64 chips had, yet), so combined with bigger clocks, twin cores, bigger caches - its ought to be worthy rb2011 replacement for home.
for serious traffic with encryption, twin core chips was too slow anyway, with or without "acceleration"(which btw did trick only around most heavy "hot spots" in cipher/crypto code, rest was doen by firmware anyway/always, regardless vendor/model)so for companies CCR1009-PC or CCR1016 variants would be better start.
i personally wonder why its rated "2x faster than rb-2011", cuz 2x more clocks, 2x more cores... and with proper use of VFPv4 and NEON number may be closer to 6x-7x in some workloads and about 3.5x in ordinary configurations.

its likely one of "off the shelf" inexpensive A9 twin-core SoC.
which explain relatively small performance (for twin-core 1.2Ghz chip).
a12/a17 do about 42% more performance than A9 (on same clock on similar die)
and a53 and a57 do about 2.5x and 4x times (in peak not sustaine/stressed)more performance than A9 chips, respectively.
interestingly thats newer chips not really much bigger(in transistors)and consume not really more(especiallycompared to performance boost)power than aged A9 chips.
just hope its not (extremely buggy. both in hardware/sdk)Broadcom chips. best case scenario - qualcomm krait chips in-between - new Marvel chips and recent Mediatek ARM chips.
anyway, FPU/VFPv4 and SIMDNEON portions did neat tricks against math in any ARM chips(up to 32 64b registers and FMA feats for half-precision in some chips. if properly supported by firmware/software, of course.

p.s.
even in absence of FPU(which isn't usual for recent generations even entry-level chips)- ARM devices had Much better FPU emulation(than MIPS32/MIPS64 chips had, yet), so combined with bigger clocks, twin cores, bigger caches - its ought to be worthy rb2011 replacement for home.
for serious traffic with encryption, twin core chips was too slow anyway, with or without "acceleration"(which btw did trick only around most heavy "hot spots" in cipher/crypto code, rest was doen by firmware anyway/always, regardless vendor/model)so for companies CCR1009-PC or CCR1016 variants would be better start.
i personally wonder why its rated "2x faster than rb-2011", cuz 2x more clocks, 2x more cores... and with proper use of VFPv4 and NEON number may be closer to 6x-7x in some workloads and about 3.5x in ordinary configurations.

You should not look to generic ARM SoCs being in these devices.
These need networking-related SoCs, which are quite different from generic-use ARM SoCs.

My guess would be its running on a Cavium chip...

there isn't "networking" SoC. excpt packed underperforming/bottlenecked ultra-cheap stuff in-one, like freescale and broadcom did.
in fact, some SMB and SOHO vendors use notebooks and desktop chips pretty well(including x86, but uncommon. excpt in SDN-all-in one boxes for DC), but major shift(due price, termal package and simplicity of heat dissipation)was around smartphone chips. note: built-in switched sks, both in terms of security, performance and management and abuse whole concept of such devices(unless that was "smart switch" class). routing matter, switching doesn't.
as you opinion about Cavium chips in such producs - the only ARM(ARMv8)-based chips was ThunderX family with seriously multi-core and many-core chips with 8-16 and 24-48-cores, respectively.
and for A57 cores "2x performance of RB2011" is joke. they can eat rb2011 alive even at 500Clock with single-thread/core.
Thunder X along like previous MIPS64-based chips, they ship before - used in serious 1U, 2U enclosures and with ATX/SSI power. pretty expensive, pretty big, pretty fast.
no, its NOT ThunderX.
personally i would like something like low-end Krait chips without "offloading" nonsense/marketing and horrific(worser was only Broadcom, probably)SDK, we're may see in Cavium stuff.
or Marvel SoC. or inexpensive and fast MediaTek chips.

p.s. formerly-devoted to Cavium vendors - turned to other options, as we're can see. and they had numer of good reasons for. in general MIPS64/MIPS32 installbase was quickly shrink aswell as arch development/advance does already, its just about time.

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

Can you as well confirm that both switch-chips have a full-duplex 2Gbps link to the CPU?
And if the HW acceleration support for AES is going to be supported?

Thanks Normunds!

When it would be possible to buy 3011?

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

HW crypto! That makes me

excellent news.
even 20% stock overclocking
1-1.2GHz. if ROS allow and RB3011 had SOLID/Huge heatsink on CPU/SoC - it mayb had even bigger space for over-clocking, especially for consumers, improving/replacing heatsink with something more serious/expensive.
AES offloading, IPSec and routing. also chips had PCIe, SATA port, audio interface(mind VoIP boxes build over it and xGMII allow you to use state-of-the art PHy's use(especially nice made by Atheros and big Qualcomm too).
memory controller support only low-clock 1033 DDR3, but works fast by itself(no mult-channel IMC or HBM in low-end CPU's)
serial port mean potentiall console port too, along with USB3, in rb450g/rb850gx2 -style in next variations of RB3011(which isn't critical for me, but still used by some).

note: its nearly 4x faster than best MIPS32 and about 2.5x-3x faster than any kind of MIPS64 chips(including Cavium, Tilera and etc) on same clock and fast/big caches mean less waiting for memory controller.
"2x rb2011 performance" imply that "offloading" marketing ploy isn't used, which is COOL, cuz most implementations was buggy as hell(Qualcomm-made - probably least buggy, IMO) and imply using some kernel hacks/tricks and result with both security issues and netflow delays.

so bottom line: its Perfect choice for SOHO devices.
backed with decent RAM amounts it can do really Adequate (to present ISP subscriptions rates/bw), which previous entry-level RB devices fail, sadly.
very curious about possible SD clot presence or possible eSATA port on devices(even w/o DLNA support/package, sFTP/SMB resources wasn't uncommon among RB users, despite extremely slow performance).
those chips didn't support dedicated bus for multi-CPU devices and never intended for such, but PCIe interfaces may be used for such.
as you can see from aged aricles
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6568/qual ... dragon-800
http://dishank1.blogspot.ru/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_%28CPU%29
Krait 300 core aren't as cool as A15/A17 cores or other ARMv7 things, but really impressive.
newer IPQ, based on ARMv8, whose eventually come to IPC8064/IPQ8064 replacement (and/or four and quad -core versions of it, probably) - may be lot MORE faster (https://www.qualcomm.com/media/document ... -brief.pdf ), but even Krait 300 cores in IPQ8062 processor - can be VERY fast(in SOHO/home terms/scale). 1M L2 cache(512Kb per/core) also helps much(but L1 remain relatively small 16/16kb) and vFPU and NEON usage can speed-up math/computation DRAMATICALLY.
not sure about SMT support in Krait 300 cores.

p.s. still unclear/unlikely was StreamBoost/adaptive QoS support in ROS aswell as support for AllJoyn mesh/ad-hoc networking.
there was also indirect suggestion about SMT(2x threads per core) in Krait 300 cores
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites ... 2015v2.pdf
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~danav/pubs/qc ... ps2013.pdf
also new/updated Qualcomm radios, possibly used in RB3011 provide smooth pathway for MU-MIMO adoption by RB devices
http://www.qca.qualcomm.com/wp-content/ ... _Wi-Fi.pdf
http://www.qca.qualcomm.com/thewire/mu- ... em-mu-efx/
https://www.qca.qualcomm.com/products/qualcomm-vive/
(there was number of radios for each band, released by Qualcomm), aswell as 801.11ac v2.0 and 802.11ad 802.11ax adoption(however 60GHz radios slightly lag to market).

So both the Tilera and the IPQ are network processors? I.E. CPU's with a special purpose.

Does anyone know how their achitecture differs? I can't really find a definitive source on the Tile achitecture.

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

My guess was within the ballpark, then.

-- Nathan

...and about 2.5x-3x faster than any kind of MIPS64 chips(including Cavium, Tilera and etc)

Wait...say what? Pretty sure Tile architecture is not related to MIPS64. But if I'm wrong, [citation needed].

-- Nathan

...and about 2.5x-3x faster than any kind of MIPS64 chips(including Cavium, Tilera and etc)

Wait...say what? Pretty sure Tile architecture is not related to MIPS64. But if I'm wrong, [citation needed].

-- Nathan

in fact they are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TILE64
"... MIPS-derived VLIW instruction set..."
its was started as exascale-goal DARPA project 18 years ago ago(while even Twin-core CPU's wasn't uncommon, yet, even in enterprise market) with emphasis on dense multi-core design low-slilicon-usage, high-bandwith, low-latency interconnect/fabric, connecting chip together,(chips with more than 128 cores(goal was up to 1024 and beyond)probably get internal optical bus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilera
its heavily used/advertised in IPS/networking, but major targeted sector was HPC, military and aerospace, but due to bigger clocks, latency(and size/delay of caches, IMC imprtfactions and etc) issues become less problem, than suggested initially.

its seriously customised during design, and differ from genuine MIPS64, yes(thats reflect includsion as separate Architecture into linux kernel/toolchain 5yrs ago), but so did Cavium with MIPS64 during design, Lexra and other ARM/MIPS/PPC suppliers.

Tilera presently aquired by EZ Chip(networking/military semiconductor company from Israel)10 months ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EZchip_Semiconductor

p.p.s.
VLIW-emphasis in design, imply very Dramatical dependency on compiler profiling/optimisation in achieving DECENT performance, but overall bang/clock/silicon may be notably bigger, like in IA64, R500 and FR-v arch, before(some may remember former VLIW5 GPU chips from AMD , while many-core design by itself - imply HUGE processing power(and power consumption
presenly ROS didn't support VLIW features/offliading in Tile chips so talking about Tile64-sepcific differences from MIPS64 wasn't make much sense, yet.
same about Zero-overhead linux -alike build/approach to networking firmware engineering/architecture, not adopted by MikroTik, yet, sadly, but promising VERY dramatically improve latency/response and even better do with scalability(per/cores).
personally i think for both SOHO and SMB - Tile64 was overkill(too expensive, too hot, not so available), while Krait 300/400 and newever IPQ(probably ARMv8-based) probably fits better.
im may be wrong with something/anything i wrote above, but AFIK its looks like that.

So both the Tilera and the IPQ are network processors? I.E. CPU's with a special purpose.

Does anyone know how their achitecture differs? I can't really find a definitive source on the Tile achitecture.

you can get datasheets(brief for free and complte as part of SDK and evalution boards)for their chips , but Tilera didn't ecourage sharing whitepapers with outsiders by anyone under NDA or other agreements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TILE64
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/08/ ... -core-cpu/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/08/ ... ore-cpu/2/
and since EZ aqusition - majority of datasheets was removed from public.

major, distinct Tile64 feature - wasn't VLIW offliading or ultra-dense many-core design, but Very efficient internal mesh interconnect within chips.
they are remain VERY expensive, sadly(up to hugreds times more than IPQ chips for some bigger models), for mass-market.

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

Wow, you could have an optical audio port, like an Airport Express, straight from the chip.

(but AE also does analog from the same port)

This is the CPU that we will use for RB3011:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062

Wow, you could have an optical audio port, like an Airport Express, straight from the chip.

(but AE also does analog from the same port)

well, more usually such devices(not routers, but usually ordered by their ODM, by huge ISP, directly, all-in-one internet&tv&phone&security devices)use simply analog audio input/outputs, ie copper-based. also AFIK, both Apple, Samsung, Google and Microsoft shifts toward DLNA and bluetooth sound support, rather than hardwired audious(in both ways).
does "Airport" had eSATA ports ? or had PCIe interfaces ? how many Airport devices had(full-scale A-type !!)USB3.0 port ?
generally "Airport" is just a brand. and include historically many devices, including 24k arch chips, ubicom devices and even lexra SoC once(if im not mistke that with something) and many other options under hood.

When will it be available RB3011 about? Alternatively, the processor will I give to CRS?
thanks

Anything on the physical dimensions?

Anything on the physical dimensions?

I think - the same as rb2011

Anything on the physical dimensions?

I think - the same as rb2011

I heard that, but the RB2011 sheets just list the PCB dimensions, not the case dimensions.

rb2011 - Dimensions 230x90x25mm, Weight (board with LCD): 233g

Anything on the physical dimensions?

judging from picture and anounced intent/placement as drop-in replacement/upgrade for rb2011 - it may be identical to rb2011, except differences in USB port size/place and power jack location.
which make lot sense both for end users and telecom market and help model adoption in last case especially.
similarly we may expect ultra-compact version on same chip to replace 951 models.
and after they released, there may be rb4011 on quad-core equivalent with a53-based crait cores and 14nm silicon(but even 28nm would b LOT colder/faster than previous mips chips)
perordered some to play with.

Where did you pre-order?


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I hope this device will have a Hard Disk Connection.
That we finally can add a SSD HD.

I hope this device will have a Hard Disk Connection.
That we finally can add a SSD HD.

What are you going to do with a SSD inside low power router?

Store porn for faster hand job

I hope this device will have a Hard Disk Connection.
That we finally can add a SSD HD.

Then it should fit a 3.5", so you can put a 4TB hybrid instead.

More importantly, add HFS+ support, even if it only has USB 3.0.

Add simultaneous dual band, and I can get rid of my Airport Extreme, even without Spotlight support.

HHD -> Metarouter / bigger images
-> Userman

As Janis told at MUM NewZeland yesterday's presentation, that the power of RB3011 will be at the half between RB1100AHx2 and RB2011 power..

I can't belive, because almost the same CPU:
RB1100AHx2 - dual core 1066 Mhz
RB3011 - dual core 1,2 Ghz ARM CPU

maybe the RB1100 has network processor and hardware IPSec, but can be the RB3011 half slower than RB1100AHx2?

and where to put the power of RB850Gx2 with dual core 600Mhz CPU?

As Janis told at MUM NewZeland yesterday, the power of RB3011 will be the half of RB1100AHx2 power.

I can't belive, because almost the same CPU:
RB1100AHx2 - dual core 1066 Mhz
RB3011 - dual core 1,2 Ghz ARM CPU

maybe the RB1100 has network processor and hardware IPSec, but can be the RB3011 half slower than RB1100AHx2?

and where to put the power of RB850Gx2 with dual core 600Mhz CPU?

The processor architecture often matters more than the MHz.

PPC SoC was more powerful, especially full-blown 64-bit e5500 and e6500 cores with decent IMC, FPU and integer performance.
but ARM had some cards too. even A17/A19 was faster than this chip and A53, A57/A72 was even More faster.
and since A53 start replacing legacy A8/A9 and A17/A19 chips in low-end sector(anywhere in deveices, from phones to home automation, microwave owens and etc) and A57/A72 replace become top-dog chips for awhile.
but generally, ARM - move faster, but OpenPower alliance members - may bring some interesting things into consideration, but they primarily focused on more fat things/usage, presently, even Freescale - kinda lagging with new/updated SoC.

basically chip had native SATA support and thus, aside PCie, is simpler way to add eSATA port or mSATA slot inside.

what is more interesting/thrilling is that presently new top-dog from ez-chip is based ...on ARMv8, instead of Tile archtecture.
which is WAY more suitable for mass-market, than military or HPC segment.
100(HUNGRED !!) of A53 cores - sound pretty decent for corporate router or IPS thingy, isn't?
http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=686
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 47261.html
http://www.linleygroup.com/newsletters/ ... 2015&tag=3
http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/24/ ... a53-cores/
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdail ... benchmark/
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ ... 58509.html
and as soon as other formerly only-MIPS vendors - start shifting toward ARM, like Cavium, Freescale, Broadcom... market start b bit more interesting, especialy thinking about how they may combine with their (also)OpenPowe efforts

what is more interesting/thrilling is that presently new top-dog from ez-chip is based ...on ARMv8, instead of Tile archtecture.
which is WAY more suitable for mass-market, than military or HPC segment.
100(HUNGRED !!) of A53 cores - sound pretty decent for corporate router or IPS thingy, isn't?
http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=686
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 47261.html
http://www.linleygroup.com/newsletters/ ... 2015&tag=3
http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/24/ ... a53-cores/
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdail ... benchmark/
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ ... 58509.html
and as soon as other formerly only-MIPS vendors - start shifting toward ARM, like Cavium, Freescale, Broadcom... market start b bit more interesting, especialy thinking about how they may combine with their (also)OpenPowe efforts

basically doubles the tile gx 72 on the networking department

but

begin production on 2017

there was other A53 and A57 -based many-core SoC from other companies, if someone care about release date more than chip brand.
up to 96 - two companies and several - offer 32x, 64x and smaller chips(some of them - aimed on HPC, but mostly server-oriented and thus - designed power-saving-wise)
as for end-user market and SOHO - 4-8-16 chips was plentiful on ARM SoC market.
both A53, A57 and legacy chips. A72 will follow later(about 1.5x more memory bandwitch, about 25% better latency, nearly 40% more FPU and nearly 25% integer IPC boost.
for example, i would be surprised if Qualcomm - not release 4x and 8x IPC SoC, after early modles, used in RB3011. its as much as logical as helpful and profitable thng to do/sell/use.

When is supposed to be on sale the new RB3011 ?

When is supposed to be on sale the new RB3011 ?

Same as me, I still waiting RB3011UiAS so that I can replace my RB2011 as my main router.
The keynote shows that release in Q2 this year, but now is already end of Q2.

Also, CPU may the IPQ8064, what about RAM? Is the same as RB2011 or 256MB above?

Q2 has not ended

Second quarter / Q2: from the beginning of April to the end of June (04/01 - 06/30)

Q2 has not ended

Second quarter / Q2: from the beginning of April to the end of June (04/01 - 06/30)

Yes, I know

Today is 06/16, that means we got 2 weeks left.
Hope we can get RB3011 earlier, I'm so expected

RB3011 appearance does not look good at all, or CRS series of good-looking.

Q2 has not ended

Second quarter / Q2: from the beginning of April to the end of June (04/01 - 06/30)

Yes, I know

Today is 06/16, that means we got 2 weeks left.
Hope we can get RB3011 earlier, I'm so expected

ohh yeah make the count down 14 days to go

Any chance to get the rb3011 rm in the style of the crs series? [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]

According to the announcement there will be a Rackmount version:

Rackmount and Indoor wireless AP

"ny chance to get the rb3011 rm in the style of the crs series?"

no white please........ for that matter, I wish the CRS stuff was black as well

Unfortunately it is very personal depending what someone sees to be nice and other to be ugly. I like metal black/red 2011 - in design much more than white plastic that gets yellow soon due to inside heat or sunrays.

Crs is plastic? Ughhh...

The CRS are powder coated aluminium.

They look great.

The CRS look much more professional than the Red/Black of the RB2011/3011. This is why the CRS109 is our standard CPE, we can put them in to a client without jokes about its toy or cheap appearance.

Until the 3011 was announced I thought the CRS design was the new "design language" of Mikrotik.

Hopefully we see a router using the CRS design but with the new ARM processor.

I can see that opinions on this matter are very different You can imagine how difficult it is to make such "design language"

I was very happy to see Microtik moving towards stacked ports with the CRS but it is true that from the pictures they look boring (I haven't seen one in person).

I think the RB2011 case is very nice, except that there's no external connector for the power cable, which is very bad (I understand the latter has changed by now).

RB3011 look ugly, no desire to buy.

What I don't like is that they left the 2 groups of ports separated, instead of stacking them.

Having the LEDs away from each port makes them hard to read.

But it's very understandable they kept the design for people who might want to do a board swap, although I wonder how many they would actually be.t

They must have saved a lot in engineering, freeing scarce resources and perhaps resulting in a less expensive product.

12 days to go

I can see that opinions on this matter are very different You can imagine how difficult it is to make such "design language"

I can imagine!

My 2c is that the 2011/3011 would look more professional if they were one colour. E.g. all black, or all white.

Black+red is distinctive, while not looking unprofessional.

All red would look like a firewall.

I like Mikrotik's red tint on 2011 but I think that red could be replaced with sth else to distinguish it from "lower end " 2011...not black or white...what about cobalt blue ?

I use the rack mount 2011 versions almost exclusively. So it is simply black with white lettering and matches the rest of the gear it lives with. No red on the rack. I don't think the red looks bad on the desktop models.

my 2

I like Mikrotik's red tint on 2011 but I think that red could be replaced with sth else to distinguish it from "lower end " 2011...not black or white...what about cobalt blue ?

It would look like Linksys.

canary yellow, pea green, mandarine orange ? Choose one...

Colorless transparent plastic. Glass for higher models.

Like these ones ? http://encore7.com/en/products/

BTW...superb design from my city

canary yellow, pea green, mandarine orange ? Choose one...

magenta, although that would make them off-limits to some operators. I guess green is not that recognisable then.


Keep red for when it runs Suricata.

Can this to be applyed to RB3011?

http://routerboard.com/R11e-5HacD


I see that RB3011 have PCIe slot, so this probably can be added to RB3011 or not?

canary yellow, pea green, mandarine orange ? Choose one...

magenta, although that would make them off-limits to some operators. I guess green is not that recognisable then.

I think the proper answer is cyan.

Or is it too similar to D-Link?

What about fluo green?

LOL the discussion on color !

On the functional side of things, please can the RB3011 (or even better CRS109 replacement) have a SIM card slot so we can use the mini pci-e for 4G cards

Thanks!!!!

Can this to be applyed to RB3011?

http://routerboard.com/R11e-5HacD


I see that RB3011 have PCIe slot, so this probably can be added to RB3011 or not?

Yes you can. But rb3011 have not integrated 2,4Ghz wireless.
With this card you have only 5Ghz (a/n/ac)

Yeah i forget that you cant have 2.4 Ghz and AC because in fact have only two connectors for antennas..

Yeah i forget that you cant have 2.4 Ghz and AC because in fact have only two connectors for antennas..

Maybe the 3011 will have knock-outs for extra antennas.

Dont believe that will change design, including antennas. I think that will keep old RB2011 design, and will include only hardware changes.

Q2 has not ended

Second quarter / Q2: from the beginning of April to the end of June (04/01 - 06/30)

Looks like today is the day

It is not the day until normis says so.

Did you mean Q2 2016?

June has been three days, why have not heard.

Is available RB3011 or not yet? @normis ?

Q2 has not ended

Second quarter / Q2: from the beginning of April to the end of June (04/01 - 06/30)

any news about 3011??

RB 2011 was the product in 2011 so i might be that RB 3011 will be released in Q2 of 3011?! no seriously i'm also waiting for that device. but it's also better if it get postponed rather than a not working release. nevertheless MT could give an update on the state.

RB 2011 was the product in 2011 so i might be that RB 3011 will be released in Q2 of 3011?! no seriously i'm also waiting for that device. but it's also better if it get postponed rather than a not working release. nevertheless MT could give an update on the state.

+1

Is there a block diagram available for RB3011?

Is there a block diagram available for RB3011?

Did you read through this very topic? Did you not find the answers you are looking for?

Yes, however this is a forum and a block diagram would be a bit more official and specific. Since this is such an interesting product, I am eagerly and impatient…

It was not posted, because the product is not even available yet. We will publish when device will start shipping.

It was not posted, because the product is not even available yet. We will publish when device will start shipping.

Can you provide an estimated time for when you start shipping?

2q 2015

Hi guys, I'm new to the Forum an Mikrotik, but I'm absolutely sure my next router will be a Mikrotik Device. After seeing the PDF of the MUM and the announcement for the RB3011 i was waiting for it's release.
I'm very sorry for the delay in manufacturing that occurred. So while waiting I looked around the other Mikrotik devices and found the most comparable Port wise to the RB3011UiAS-2HnD-IN would be the CRS109-8G-1S-2HnD-IN.
Is it possible to to get information performance wise? How many Mbps will be achievable? I would like to look into it in order to decide whether to go for the CRS109.
TIA

It is not smart to use a switch instead a router when you expect significant routing performance. Look at routers rather than at switches.

Thanks for your reply.
As far as I understand RB2011 is two switches in one case all together with a processor on top that is able to shape the traffic, put up a vpn, manage vlans etc. all that @11W of power consumption.
Looking at a surplus celeron system with 4 Gigabit ETHs disregarding the buy in it consumes around 100W spending at least 11W alone for cooling.
Have I overseen something?

Celeron will be much faster than 2011. Your performance requirements decide. But you have not provided any and what is more you are hijacking other unrelated topic.

I don't know, the new RB3011 with wireless why can't be the same price as RB2011?
I know 3011 has much better CPU, but the time is passing, RB2011 was released 3 years ago.
In normal case RB3011 need to be the same price or + 10-20%, but not 55% higher.
129$ vs. 199$
I know this price isn't released, only informative, but adding 70$ in my opinion is much for some improvements for a 3 years old router. And maybe the clients will not buy RB3011 at this price.

Let the market to decide what price is adequate. Anyway I would like to get CCRs for 50 bucks too as they are overpriced, don't you think?

its hard to say something about rb3011 price without knowing performance.

dual core ARM CPU probably exceeds RB850gx2 performance (130us without case and powersupply) + 5 more gigabit ports at 179us (with case and power supply, without wlan), sounds fair to me.

a good option to get a intermediate point of performance between rb2011 (99us) and rb1100ahx2 (349us)

its hard to say something about rb3011 price without knowing performance.

dual core ARM CPU probably exceeds RB850gx2 performance (130us without case and powersupply) + 5 more gigabit ports at 179us (with case and power supply, without wlan), sounds fair to me.

a good option to get a intermediate point of performance between rb2011 (99us) and rb1100ahx2 (349us)

more like RB2011 replacement with bit more adequate(to year and consumers purposes/demand)SoC/CPu within than originally used in 2k11.
"gap-filler" would be something like quad-core version on same platform, ie next IPQ chips from Qualcomm, probably.
also new 1004k-based SoC from mediatek, qualcomm look quite interesting.
in same termal package(and price !! )as 74k chips/SoC had they had 2-4core processor, each of them support 2 steams,(ie like "HT" from intel or IBM or Sun, etc), which resulted in interesting benchmarking.
but lack of real fpu in kc-suffixed chips start becoming issue. aswell as RAM bandwidth and lack of L1/L2 cache size/speed.

Found these online.






Looks good, can't wait!

It'll be better if available
...and even better with 2.4Ghz radio built-in and free PCI-E slot.

If it copes in terms of PPPoE performance this device would be a great router for Home/SOHO environments for high capacity (300-500Mbps) FTTH lines.

1GB of RAM, by the way, as it was seen on MUM in Winbox.
Seems like a little overkill...

Unless you need to load a full BGP table, case in which it is not enough.
Anyway, best kill is overkill

Dear mikrotik team.. Please next time dont give release dates or quartals when will be available please..AC standard ia old 2 years and you still produce router without duql band with delay from 2-3 months? That ia not looking good for company like mikrotik.

You should better use google translate, it sure does a better job.

You should better use google translate, it sure does a better job.

I understood what he was trying to say without a problem and I agree with him fully. It's getting hard to have Mikrotik be my #1 brand when they are not communicating and keep delaying products.

MikroTik team - is there any chance to purchase RB3011 at THIS 2015 Year?

MikroTik team - is there any chance to purchase RB3011 at THIS 2015 Year?

+1

do you all agree that better to had complete/polished/bug-free product than get it "sooner" in most cases ?
remember long history of original 2011 evolution. for example.
as for price - i agree thats suggested pricing not really reflect performance.
its still good offer, but not competive one.

When is it coming to market?

When is it coming to market?

When this questions' counter will reach 9000.

It is expected during the Q1 of year 3011.

You should better use google translate, it sure does a better job.

i writen that message from my smartphone, and maybe make a typo mistakes.

A russian webshop has the RB3011 in preorder here:
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-rb3011uias-2hnd-in.html

It's the version with a 2 GHz wireless card.

If i'm correct they sell it for 8662 RUB witch is approximately €120,-

A russian webshop has the RB3011 in preorder here:
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-rb3011uias-2hnd-in.html

It's the version with a 2 GHz wireless card.

If i'm correct they sell it for 8662 RUB witch is approximately €120,-

if that cost is correct will be very nice!!

A russian webshop has the RB3011 in preorder here:
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-rb3011uias-2hnd-in.html

It's the version with a 2 GHz wireless card.

If i'm correct they sell it for 8662 RUB witch is approximately €120,-

And hAP AC for 3000 RUB (less than $50), aha.

taken from catalog

http://download2.mikrotik.com/2015-Q4.pdf

Not liking that it is again 2 switch groups.

A russian webshop has the RB3011 in preorder here:
http://www.lanmart.ru/mikrotik-rb3011uias-2hnd-in.html

It's the version with a 2 GHz wireless card.

If i'm correct they sell it for 8662 RUB witch is approximately €120,-

And hAP AC for 3000 RUB (less than $50), aha.

prices on pre-orders in most web-sites tend to be "approximately" and usually tend to be put "slightly optimistic" for marketing reasons(i guess:)
as for hAP prices in particular shop - thats perhaps old stocks from times when RUB cost 2x more in $.
they one of 3-5 biggest MT resellers/dealers in central part of RF and had perhaps some supply/stocks of gear, thus.

Not liking that it is again 2 switch groups.

yes, very strange, in rb2011 was justified by one switch was integrated on cpu (fast ethernet) and the other was a gigagit additional chip

one reason i can imagine its this cpu integrate one 5 port gigabit switch and the second its a additional chip.

maybe 8 port manageable gigabit switch its too much expensive in comparison with 5 port

block diagram will say it

prices on pre-orders in most web-sites tend to be "approximately" and usually tend to be put "slightly optimistic" for marketing reasons(i guess:)
as for hAP prices in particular shop - thats perhaps old stocks from times when RUB cost 2x more in $.
they one of 3-5 biggest MT resellers/dealers in central part of RF and had perhaps some supply/stocks of gear, thus.

Yes, I've seen this price many months ago, maybe even when RUB wasn't so low. I meant just that we can't really trust a store with not valid price, even if this is the only thing that seems wrong.
And I don't think they have hAP AC.

Not liking that it is again 2 switch groups.

yes, very strange, in rb2011 was justified by one switch was integrated on cpu (fast ethernet) and the other was a gigagit additional chip

one reason i can imagine its this cpu integrate one 5 port gigabit switch and the second its a additional chip.

maybe 8 port manageable gigabit switch its too much expensive in comparison with 5 port

block diagram will say it

Maybe because they could not fit a QSGMII switch chip, so that 2 gigabit interfaces are better for routing than 1.

taken from catalog

http://download2.mikrotik.com/2015-Q4.pdf

3011.jpg

Notice the CPU — it's Atheros QCA8337-AL3C, with MIPS architecture.

taken from catalog

http://download2.mikrotik.com/2015-Q4.pdf

3011.jpg

Notice the CPU — it's Atheros QCA8337-AL3C, with MIPS architecture.

im confused then

the brochure says arm achitecture...

looking at hex documentation says the same cpu but 720mhz, similar cpu that all ac models

anyway i think its possible think in 4 times the performance of rb2011 thats close to rb1100ahx2

Is there arm processor?
When it will be released?

I understand that is the switch chip, not the CPU.

I understand that is the switch chip, not the CPU.

So in RB750Gr2 as a CPU, and in RB3011 as a switch, CPU just goes offline? Or two gigabit switches like this, one with one CPU core = dual-core unit?

I understand that is the switch chip, not the CPU.

So in RB750Gr2 as a CPU, and in RB3011 as a switch, CPU just goes offline? Or two gigabit switches like this, one with one CPU core = dual-core unit?

They must be having fun in Mikrotik seen us speculating

any of latest devices has published block diagrams (except ccr1072)

only having block diagrams we can understand architectural particularities of new devices

I understand that is the switch chip, not the CPU.

So in RB750Gr2 as a CPU, and in RB3011 as a switch, CPU just goes offline? Or two gigabit switches like this, one with one CPU core = dual-core unit?

hEX lite CPU: QCA9531-BL3A-R
hEX CPU: QCA9556-AR4A

funny is they announced RM-device, but not much info bout cheap IN model, initially showed among two announced :0)
perhaps they released same 5 versions/flavors that 2011 initially have :0)

Take too long time to go out new RB3011.

Take too long time to go out new RB3011.

new baby = long birth
you may notice thats could be first ARM-based thing MikroTik release/design,which imply they encounter enteriely new things, making/finishing it and find new ways to deal/counter/employ them.

i'm curious how much IPSec traffic this thing will be able to handle

i'm curious how much IPSec traffic this thing will be able to handle

+1

another mystery:

will have a crypto hardware acceleration?

Take too long time to go out new RB3011.

Stop harping about it - it's starting to be really annoying
When RB2011 was released some mistakes were made, and in my opinion it wasn't mature enough to be released that fast. So, I prefer 100% tested and as much as possible bug-free product - event if it's delayed.

recently I had so chance at the MUM to ask about RB3011 specs
This is what i know so far:

1) CPU is Dual core IPQ8064 1,4GHz
2) There are 2 Gigabit switch groups 5 ports each and SFP
3) Each Switch have 2x1Gbps connection to CPU (one to each core?)
4) as soon as you Plug SFP module, SFP port will get one of the 1Gbps lines from ether6-10, leaving ether6-10 on single 1Gbps line.
5) There are only minipci-e slot, no build-in wireless, so just 1 possible wireless interface.

Hope that this will be useful

recently I had so chance at the MUM to ask about RB3011 specs
This is what i know so far:

1) CPU is Dual core IPQ8064 1,4GHz
2) There are 2 Gigabit switch groups 5 ports each and SFP
3) Each Switch have 2x1Gbps connection to CPU (one to each core?)
4) as soon as you Plug SFP module, SFP port will get one of the 1Gbps lines from ether6-10, leaving ether6-10 on single 1Gbps line.
5) There are only minipci-e slot, no build-in wireless, so just 1 possible wireless interface.

Hope that this will be useful

according to

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros

it has crypto accelerator

and a packet engine

according to

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros

it has crypto accelerator

and a packet engine

that does not mean that RouterOS is supporting that crypto accelerator. Would be nice to know otherwise i would buy some device from a competitor and stop waiting for RB3011

according to

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros

it has crypto accelerator

and a packet engine

that does not mean that RouterOS is supporting that crypto accelerator. Would be nice to know otherwise i would buy some device from a competitor and stop waiting for RB3011

what device you think its a good alternative??

My two cents on that...I like Mikroik software but the combination of RouterOS and Mikrotik hardware some times in frustraring: to handle PPP over filber having 300/30 Mbits...One needs to go to across 1100 device ? It is crazy: RB850x2 no comments to add to whast has been discused again and again, RB2011 still waiting to be replace by RB3011...

The RB3011...a lot of expectation around thsi device was, in my opinion, with two major flaws:
- It's late...
- Probably to create more frustration becuase again RouterOS will not be abble to capitalize SOC features (hardware acceletarion and others...).

In the meantime, I decided to give a try to Ubiquity: I have got and ERLITE 3 device and it's is working so far so well and very stable...but:
- Ubiquty software is far from RouterOS: but after learning what works and what not...it works. Why one needs thsi flexibility when the configuration is stable...I needed to disable VLAN offloading becuase having reliability issues with my VLAN ISP provider configuration, but nothin more.
- Hardware; I hacked the device becuase too high temperatures in place: so I needed to place a more agresive cooling solution in place (...about 5€, reusing a Intel procesor fan and thermal adhesive paste..nothing more).

I was planning to wait for an RB3011, yes for a SOHO configuration: buttoday this is about 500 Mbits at the minimum , IPTV, IP phone, etc. Mikrotik is no more in this segment.....there is a long list of frustrated fans of RouterOS in Spanish forums that are now frustrated and tired of waiting: they are moving to ERLITE (yes...but works) or now to any ASUS SOHO device to answer their needs.

My two cents on that...I like Mikroik software but the combination of RouterOS and Mikrotik hardware some times in frustraring: to handle PPP over filber having 300/30 Mbits...One needs to go to across 1100 device ? It is crazy: RB850x2 no comments to add to whast has been discused again and again, RB2011 still waiting to be replace by RB3011...

The RB3011...a lot of expectation around thsi device was, in my opinion, with two major flaws:
- It's late...
- Probably to create more frustration becuase again RouterOS will not be abble to capitalize SOC features (hardware acceletarion and others...).

In the meantime, I decided to give a try to Ubiquity: I have got and ERLITE 3 device and it's is working so far so well and very stable...but:
- Ubiquty software is far from RouterOS: but after learning what works and what not...it works. Why one needs thsi flexibility when the configuration is stable...I needed to disable VLAN offloading becuase having reliability issues with my VLAN ISP provider configuration, but nothin more.
- Hardware; I hacked the device becuase too high temperatures in place: so I needed to place a more agresive cooling solution in place (...about 5€, reusing a Intel procesor fan and thermal adhesive paste..nothing more).

I was planning to wait for an RB3011, yes for a SOHO configuration: buttoday this is about 500 Mbits at the minimum , IPTV, IP phone, etc. Mikrotik is no more in this segment.....there is a long list of frustrated fans of RouterOS in Spanish forums that are now frustrated and tired of waiting: they are moving to ERLITE (yes...but works) or now to any ASUS SOHO device to answer their needs.

I also think about moving to ERLITE. Can you tell how much IPSec traffic it can handle? i might even can put it in front of a rb2011 just to do the ppp and ipsec termination and let do the rb2011 all the other stuff

i had ERL3 and ER8.
and its total disaster.
while HW designed nearly 4/5 good, software is total ... in all respects, especially security and manageability.
and yes, really its PR gimmick bout outstanding pps is more based on SDK "dirty tricks" and benefits quickly ...disappear once you start using router as router, ie have no offloading benefits in "real-world configurations" incompatible with, basically because they use Very WEAK CPU's

Dear jaykay2342,

Sorry but I have not configured IPSec on my device.

Dear Zorro99,

I got your point, if having to use ERLITEXX in disparate scenarios, profesionally, etc. I'll never go with them for sure:
- Software...bad, bery bad documented, a support forum that always leads you to feel stupid or to convince you to be a contributor on a never polished software bundle.
- Not hardware too, sorry. They use a cheap USB key, temperature problems, etc. at least for small devices.

But in SOHO context, not without tons of hours of play and test, it's possible to reach a secured and stable configuration with ERLITE3: with a 300/30 Mbits (arg... PPP, NAT, VLAN, QoS becuase IPTV...) fiber connection having IPTV and Internet trafic to the limits, no packet losses (my ISP allocates authomatically aditional bandwitth to guaranty 300/30 for pure Internet trafic), no inestabilities, etc, and for a really reasonable price.

About the CPU they use: I agree with you: it is not powerfull, but software is enabled to use hardware offloading capcbilities embeded into the SOC, at least for normal configurations or my configurations: this can be seen as a hack, in my opinion is about to enable them...CPU never goes over 7% of usage with the device at the limit and firewall rules closing the open doors.

I sincerelly believe that Mikrotik is losing a segment in SOHO context: more and more trained users are tired of generic devices (ASUS, Netgear...), overloaded with "tons" of not specifically router options, that should be updated with open source software that works but with concerns on security, stability,...(Tomato, and other flavours..): these users wnat a router not a device to spend hours and hours as a hobist, learning networking, etcc.

Please, let us know something about RB3011 in advance: at this point accurate details should be available, and to share them with us, the Customers, would be perceived as a symthom of confidence from you side.

@picacho99: I have really nice working TP-Link dualband SOHO box with 5 g-ports switch which I got for free. It has DD-WRT installed - everything looks wonderful until you try to configure it. I spent 2 hours (sic!) to set-up this crap to act as simple WAP. While it's configured, WiFi works better than on hAP but it was horrible experience - I don't wanna touch that configuration anymore. Even simplest things require "applying" of configuration or even reboot. If you cut yourself from the router you have no option other than resetting whole configuration - rubbish!
I also have some experience in Ubnt wireless hardware - well, when it works it works, if you try to do something different than software developers predicted you'll either find a bug or just stop in the middle having no options to do it.
...and Cisco, well - if you try to do something different you should buy another license

So yeah, Mikrotik users complaining about software bugs probably didn't worked long enough with other solutions. I even tried creating linux-based router & AP - it worked for 2.5y, but after every kernel update I was worried what will stop working or what performance drop can I expect this time
It's not like I can't see MT downsides - it's just reasonable compromise. I'm mad at how WiFi works with some Apple devices, for the fact of ignoring SOHO wireless market needs or even for lack of support for GPON - but hey, they can easily do something about it, they just need to hear us

@kiler129....My complaints are not on RouterOS, I like it,really !...but hardware for SOHO environments over fiber.

Please, Mikrotik, give us some visibility about the RB3011.

I got your point, if having to use ERLITEXX in disparate scenarios, profesionally, etc. I'll never go with them for sure:
- Software...bad, bery bad documented, a support forum that always leads you to feel stupid or to convince you to be a contributor on a never polished software bundle.
- Not hardware too, sorry. They use a cheap USB key, temperature problems, etc. at least for small devices.

But in SOHO context, not without tons of hours of play and test, it's possible to reach a secured and stable configuration with ERLITE3: with a 300/30 Mbits (arg... PPP, NAT, VLAN, QoS becuase IPTV...) fiber connection having IPTV and Internet trafic to the limits, no packet losses (my ISP allocates authomatically aditional bandwitth to guaranty 300/30 for pure Internet trafic), no inestabilities, etc, and for a really reasonable price.

About the CPU they use: I agree with you: it is not powerfull, but software is enabled to use hardware offloading capcbilities embeded into the SOC, at least for normal configurations or my configurations: this can be seen as a hack, in my opinion is about to enable them...CPU never goes over 7% of usage with the device at the limit and firewall rules closing the open doors.

I sincerelly believe that Mikrotik is losing a segment in SOHO context: more and more trained users are tired of generic devices (ASUS, Netgear...), overloaded with "tons" of not specifically router options, that should be updated with open source software that works but with concerns on security, stability,...(Tomato, and other flavours..): these users wnat a router not a device to spend hours and hours as a hobist, learning networking, etcc.

Please, let us know something about RB3011 in advance: at this point accurate details should be available, and to share them with us, the Customers, would be perceived as a symthom of confidence from you side.

i sum it up for you: UNBT-branded gear had no Meaningful advantages over MT products.
both things i had(thats inlcuded also some AP and bridges in past)also frequent for very unusual behavior, nobody can explain for, but considering relevant/correlated real-world activity thats likely exfiltrated data, collected.
so far UBNT ha only one major advantage: they build firmware images based on mainstream Debian branches(for MIPS64 and MIPS32 for 1004k version), slimmed-down, but its had no Practical benefits, considering hardware limitations and impose Terrific security issues(company failed to fix req security fixes for months) and huge attack surface, no major security features, not ways to control majority of features in products(some things is inaccesible even thru CLI and you had to mess with console).
bottom line: i din't call thir products "bad". they just slow, insecure, unreliable, unmanageable and badly-supported.
if you okay with that - good luck. i better of with MT so far.

Toc toc, MIkrotik....Please, let us know something about RB3011 in advance: at this point accurate details should be available, and to share them with us, the Customers, would be perceived as a symthom of confidence from you side.

Toc toc, MIkrotik....Please, let us know something about RB3011 in advance: at this point accurate details should be available, and to share them with us, the Customers, would be perceived as a symthom of confidence from you side.

I think it is clear by now that they found an issue with either the hardware or software that is preventing the release. Once they have a solution, I am sure they will give more information and a release date. Until then, just assume that the device doesn't exist.

I asked support on the off chance they'll reply.

I have a RB450G i want to upgrade since it's a bit of a bottleneck, problem is I can't really justify the price of a CCR1009, I'm not sure an RB2011 would be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost of that either depends how much fastrack helps it along I guess..

the 450G is sitting on a Gigabit link and seems to run out of grunt at around 200-300Mbit/s (Does have a lot of firewall rules.etc in though)

I asked support on the off chance they'll reply.

I have a RB450G i want to upgrade since it's a bit of a bottleneck, problem is I can't really justify the price of a CCR1009, I'm not sure an RB2011 would be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost of that either depends how much fastrack helps it along I guess..

the 450G is sitting on a Gigabit link and seems to run out of grunt at around 200-300Mbit/s (Does have a lot of firewall rules.etc in though)

maybe you can use an hEX until rb3011 comes out it has more cpu power than rb2011 and its cheaper

850gx2 is more powerful than 2011 or hex

850gx2 is more powerful than 2011 or hex

off course and latest relase has crypto hardware acceleration but it cost 2 times hex 129us vs 59us

hEX comes ready to operate with case and power supply

rb850gx comes without case and without power supply add 30us to cost

so rb850gx really cost 160us vs 60 us of the hEX

rb3011 its announced at 180us aprox (without wifi)

i think rb3011 will have 2 times the 850gx performance

i think if you can wait use the hEX until rb3011 arrives, if not go for rb850

You are right.

according to

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros

it has crypto accelerator

and a packet engine

that does not mean that RouterOS is supporting that crypto accelerator. Would be nice to know otherwise i would buy some device from a competitor and stop waiting for RB3011

what device you think its a good alternative??

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... 045#/story

Did you register just to post about a router that isn't even released yet? This is the RB3011 waiting topic, not some random opensource router topic.

that does not mean that RouterOS is supporting that crypto accelerator. Would be nice to know otherwise i would buy some device from a competitor and stop waiting for RB3011

what device you think its a good alternative??

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... 045#/story

interesting device but i think we are closer to see rb3011 than that

many vendors recently announced networking SoC on A35 ARM cores, which beat anything on market in both density and performance/power&heat ratio.
most interesting things anounced by mediatek, but qualcomm(their atheros division, thus) or freescale, marvel and others(samsung ? ) definitely can release something cool, cute too.
my bottom line: RB3011 gonna be quickly demoted in model line, both because performance compared to most(even in SOHO market)vendors and arch support lagging/deprecating in linux upstream, slowly coming into effect for its too(like happened with 24k and other branches of MIPS over time). cost of backporting/fixing/securing/maintaining legacy kernels for deprecated gear is "too high" even for some of biggest companies, apparently.

many vendors recently announced networking SoC on A35 ARM cores, which beat anything on market in both density and performance/power&heat ratio.
most interesting things anounced by mediatek, but qualcomm(their atheros division, thus) or freescale, marvel and others(samsung ? ) definitely can release something cool, cute too.
my bottom line: RB3011 gonna be quickly demoted in model line, both because performance compared to most(even in SOHO market)vendors and arch support lagging/deprecating in linux upstream, slowly coming into effect for its too(like happened with 24k and other branches of MIPS over time). cost of backporting/fixing/securing/maintaining legacy kernels for deprecated gear is "too high" even for some of biggest companies, apparently.

looking this

http://anandtech.com/show/9769/arm-announces-cortex-a35

looks like a35 is most focused on power efficiency than pure performance

looking this

http://anandtech.com/show/9769/arm-announces-cortex-a35

looks like a35 is most focused on power efficiency than pure performance

commodity networking application is irrelevant to "high-perfomance" chips/SoC.
thats why for years most vendors still use ARM A7/A9 -based SoC or MIPS32/PPC32 or other crippled, beyond repair things like smips, 24k, etc, desperately trying balance silicon size, power consumption and emission and performance, functionality.
networking SoC on "high-performances" cores, like A53 and A57, A72 cores also announced too, but its top-dog chips, including many-core SoC with 32, 64 or even more cores(Tilera for example - released 100-core ARM chip, recenlty)so you more likely to expect them in CCR devices(32x and 64x core chips from 4x suppliers for example. hence one is more aimed toward HPC than networking, designing them sadly)rathern than things occupied majority of sales.
so talking about particular numbers, QUAD-cored 1GHz A35 chips only consume ... 90mW of power !!!
no need to explain HOW useful that might be for SOHO networking applications.
http://www.androidauthority.com/arm-cortex-a35-653118/
https://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/new- ... arkets.php
http://techreport.com/news/29307/cortex ... u-core-yet
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/21789 ... wer-64-bit

p.s.
personally i would more welcome A53 and A57 cores in my routers(A72-based chips and devices with - slightly away, yet), but most vendors avoid using them, sadly, despite some of them having combination of decent performance with /relatively/ low power consumption.
either way, A35 is new low-end (not counting M, K, N & etc, ULP cores)cores, that basically fill 90% of networking usage.

I am waiting for something powerfull like this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... rce-router#/ from mikrotik

I am waiting for something powerfull like this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... rce-router#/ from mikrotik

It uses the same CPU as our RB3011 but has less ports and features. So I think RB3011 is for you

I am waiting for something powerfull like this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... rce-router#/ from mikrotik

It uses the same CPU as our RB3011 but has less ports and features. So I think RB3011 is for you

Turris:
simultanous dualband, 2x USB 3.0, 2x miniPCIe, mSATA, 1GB RAM, SIM card slot, dimmable RGB LEDs
7x gigabit port

rb3011: 11x gigabit port, 1x USB 3.0, 1x miniPCIe

Realy have Turris less features?
We will see rb3011 this year?

Yes. It is shown right now.

http://www.cdr.pl/download/RB3011_RM.pdf

Hope it will be released soon....

Yes. It is shown right now.

http://www.cdr.pl/download/RB3011_RM.pdf

good news in fact better performance than rb1100

Yes. It is shown right now.
http://www.cdr.pl/download/RB3011_RM.pdf

That's the RackMounted version. Without Wifi. Let alone dual band. And it's just a PDF/spec sheet. Can you order/pay for it, so that a few days later you have the actual working product in your hands? No. It's just something that shows the marketing department also spent some time on it.
In short, it's not what (I assume) most people on this thread are waiting for.

As a home user, I like my RB951G. I like how it's so nice and small, how much functionality it has, how easy it is to configure lots of things, how easy it is to upgrade software, etc. But really, other people (let's call her "she") do not care about that. She does not care about all the cool features or command-line access or easy configuration. What she does care about is not having fast Wifi when she's working on her laptop or shopping on her phone. And at some point patience is going to run out.

So, I have a few options:
- Build/buy a Mikrotik 802.11ac AP (Netbox5, RB912?), to add on top of the current setup.
- Add a different 802.11ac AP (such as the new UAP-AC line from the UBNT dark side).
- Wait until hell freezes over for the hAP AC or RB3011 (dual-band??) to arrive.
- Go to the store now, buy a current 100~150€ Netgear/Asus router, put one of the custom firmwares (dd-wrt, tomato) on it, and have almost all of the desired functionality (for home users) up&running by tomorrow.

I've been postponing #4 for a long while now, because "that shiny new Mikrotik IPQ8064 dual-band router is right around the corner". But really, with all the delay, and especially the lack of any clear communication by Mikrotik regarding availability dates, I'm tired of it. I can understand if their focus is on the SMB/Enterprise market, and not on "home enthusiasts", so they might not really care about it, but this is losing them customers.

Are you sure?

It uses the same CPU as our RB3011 but has less ports and features. So I think RB3011 is for you

Unfortunately RB3011 is not dualband. Could you compare hAP AC performance to RB3011?

It uses the same CPU as our RB3011 but has less ports and features. So I think RB3011 is for you

Unfortunately RB3011 is not dualband. Could you compare hAP AC performance to RB3011?

according to presentations i expect 2 versions of hap ac:

hAP ac lite
same cpu of hap lite and hap: 650mhz mips24kc
dual chain 2.4ghz radio (same of haplite)
single chain 5ghz ac radio
price possibly 70us

hAP ac
same cpu of hEX: 720mhz mips74kc
dual chain 2.4ghz radio (expecting better radio than hap lite at least like venerable rb951Ui)
triple or double chain 5ghz ac radio
price possibly 90-100 us

in terms of cpu performance i expect:

hAP ac lite to be aprox 0.2-0.25x the performance of rb3011

hAP ac to be aprox 0.3-0.4x the performance of rb3011

rb3011 without wifi expected at 180us

i think the router portfolio get well balanced:

hAP lite at 25us
hEX lite at 40us
hEX at 60US
rb3011 at 180us new price range
rb100ahx2 at 349us
ccr1009 at 425-495us
ccr1016 at 645-745us
ccr1036 at 995-1295us
ccr1072 at 3050us

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

it should be accurate in this case

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

it should be accurate in this case

That's a nice early christmas present

Hoping a desktop version is not far behind, the RM version won't fit where I want to locate one (To wide)

Hoping a desktop version is not far behind, the RM version won't fit where I want to locate one (To wide)

Oh, c'mon! Everyone loves rack-mounted stuff - it looks so professional

Especially lying on the desk...

Hoping a desktop version is not far behind, the RM version won't fit where I want to locate one (To wide)

Oh, c'mon! Everyone loves rack-mounted stuff - it looks so professional

yes and with only 10watt of power consumption i guess it has no fans totally silent

Yes. It is shown right now.
http://www.cdr.pl/download/RB3011_RM.pdf

That's the RackMounted version. Without Wifi. Let alone dual band. And it's just a PDF/spec sheet. Can you order/pay for it, so that a few days later you have the actual working product in your hands? No. It's just something that shows the marketing department also spent some time on it.
In short, it's not what (I assume) most people on this thread are waiting for.

As a home user, I like my RB951G. I like how it's so nice and small, how much functionality it has, how easy it is to configure lots of things, how easy it is to upgrade software, etc. But really, other people (let's call her "she") do not care about that. She does not care about all the cool features or command-line access or easy configuration. What she does care about is not having fast Wifi when she's working on her laptop or shopping on her phone. And at some point patience is going to run out.

So, I have a few options:
- Build/buy a Mikrotik 802.11ac AP (Netbox5, RB912?), to add on top of the current setup.
- Add a different 802.11ac AP (such as the new UAP-AC line from the UBNT dark side).
- Wait until hell freezes over for the hAP AC or RB3011 (dual-band??) to arrive.
- Go to the store now, buy a current 100~150€ Netgear/Asus router, put one of the custom firmwares (dd-wrt, tomato) on it, and have almost all of the desired functionality (for home users) up&running by tomorrow.

I've been postponing #4 for a long while now, because "that shiny new Mikrotik IPQ8064 dual-band router is right around the corner". But really, with all the delay, and especially the lack of any clear communication by Mikrotik regarding availability dates, I'm tired of it. I can understand if their focus is on the SMB/Enterprise market, and not on "home enthusiasts", so they might not really care about it, but this is losing them customers.

i think a good setup will be the rb3011rm as a router and hAP AC (full version) for wireless access

im tired of wait too, in fact i had to install many other solutions like you for clients who cannot wait.

but for myself i will wait for hAP AC (full version) and rb3011 to be my work-horse for 2016

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

it should be accurate in this case

thx for te info

can you confirm if rb3011 have fans for cooling??

can you confirm something about hardware crypto on rb3011??

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

The dates we show are confirmed dates from MikroTik, based on what they tell us about when our orders will be dispatched.

If there is any doubt we will always show a longer date.

Nick

That's the RackMounted version. Without Wifi. Let alone dual band. And it's just a PDF/spec sheet. Can you order/pay for it, so that a few days later you have the actual working product in your hands? No. It's just something that shows the marketing department also spent some time on it.
In short, it's not what (I assume) most people on this thread are waiting for.

You are wrong. You can order from us and we will ship RB3011 to you on tuesday/wednesday next week

I am waiting for something powerfull like this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turr ... rce-router#/ from mikrotik

It uses the same CPU as our RB3011 but has less ports and features. So I think RB3011 is for you

Turris:
simultanous dualband, 2x USB 3.0, 2x miniPCIe, mSATA, 1GB RAM, SIM card slot, dimmable RGB LEDs
7x gigabit port

rb3011: 11x gigabit port, 1x USB 3.0, 1x miniPCIe

Realy have Turris less features?
We will see rb3011 this year?

P2020 from freescale is comparable with chip used in RB3011.
(twin-core 1.2GHz short-cut, low-power 32-bit PPC/ARM RISC chips in both cases)
few advantages of it lie in firmware based on OpenWRT, not in hardware.
but its interesting product. talking about mikrotik installba specs comparison - it had many things most mikrotik consumers may see redundant, but for price comparable to most expensive version of rb3011 it make looking interesting beast for some, who feel they need such things(like ssd usage, usb 3.0 (what a ... ? with chip that can't even saturate USB2.0 what point in USB 3.0?)
most interesting thing is harware was releaased under CERN HW license. which isn't unusual, but unfrequent for commercial products, sadly and good thing i think.
https://www.turris.cz/en/hardware
https://www.turris.cz/en/hardware-documentation
there was several FOSS networking things developed in CZ and in HU, DE and this router incorporated some of them.
no pre-configured psad, fwsnort and zorp, yet, sadly among them, but BIRD, KnotDNS and likely NTIMED would be included.
but since it based on OWRT you can add things like NSD, UNBOUND, djbdns or other basic stuff stuff, like atables, etc with ease(tools to re-build it - also available)

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584 - Interesting LinITX are listing the 3011-RM for start DEC.

Might ask them about it if I remember as sometimes the dates on the sites aren't that accurate.

it should be accurate in this case

thx for te info

can you confirm if rb3011 have fans for cooling??

can you confirm something about hardware crypto on rb3011??

both IPQ processors(they semi-idential, yet. both two-core, yet(no 4x and 8x core announced, yet. no higher-clocked, no A35 or A53-based announced yet, too)) are low-power chip for low-power, unexpensive devices, ie mainstream, cheap routers with nearly 1.5W watt power package(under 2W anyway, some speculated about 3W overclocked max) so its does NOT need fan
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qual ... nd-ipq8062
so whole router goona eat around 6-10W top(in worst case).

if you notice there are ethernet protections in photo of pcb, that can be replaced with new one...
this is great idea...

So it was worth to wait? Hmmm, 2 switch chips, no direct ports to cpu, 10w, throttled line with sfp, about 150-180 $/€...
Better go with ccr 1009?

Since yesterday we can buy 3011 http://cdr.pl/p4868,mikrotik-routerboar ... 1u-19.html

So it was worth to wait? Hmmm, 2 switch chips, no direct ports to cpu, 10w, throttled line with sfp, about 150-180 $/€...
Better go with ccr 1009?

of course if you can pay 2.0-2.5X the price of rb3011 go for ccr1009

or

if you have the 995us for CCR1036-12G-4S go for it, 16 gigabit ports directly to cpu, its the better performance per dollar routerboard

Stock of 3011UiAS-RM has now arrived:

http://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-rout ... -psu/14584

They have 6.32.2 installed.

I note that the 6.32.3 combined package is not available for download... maybe MikroTik will make this available soon

Nick

Don't use combined package. Use only selected individual packages that you need instead.

- missing screws for rack ears (screws between the ears and the case)
- missing rubber feet

Hi Mikrotik,

WIth RouterOS v6.33.3, Partition does not work: you are allowed to configure the number of partitions but after rebooting you still have a single one.

Regards

Does somebody had time to check the power consumption, e.g. idle no ports connected, and idle all ports connected? Thx!

Does somebody had time to check the power consumption, e.g. idle no ports connected, and idle all ports connected? Thx!

and maybe lowering the clock of cpu

Max Power consumption 10 W
Who cares whats the idle comsumption?

Not good - Tools-Profile don't show both cpu's, only one or total?!

The arm (or RB3011) version of ROS seems like really unfinished... LCD menu troubles, Partitions, now Profile...

I'm scared that also RB3011UiAS-2HnD version will be also bugged in first series.. This is total fiasco from MT. Customers wanted powerful units, but get unfinished and bugged devices.

My router is already in production and working good, but not 2hnd.

This is total fiasco from MT. Customers wanted powerful units, but get unfinished and bugged devices.

Maybe you want to tell something like :

I'm scared that also RB3011UiAS-2HnD version could be bugged in first series.. This could be a total fiasco from MT. Customers wants powerful units, not unfinished and bugged devices.

Most of the time, software, not hardware, is buggy. Also, all competitors have the same problems.

Dear Mikrotik,

I did monitor each CPU using System->Resources->CPU and it [flash=]seems [/flash]that all the trafic is handled by one of the CPUs, during my tests it was always the second,....1 , 2, 3 or 4 tcp streams..it does not care: always one CPU appears (really) busy while the other always< 5% of usage.

Testing was done over a 300/30 Mbits fiber connection via PPOE and "Nated", and TCP streams between a server in Internet and a PC in the internal LAN.

It does not care what port is configured as a gateway: I tried the first on each switch chip , so the 1 and the 6.
A single 300Mbits TCP input stream (via PPOE and NAT) needs about 82% of one of the CPUs...curiously always the same used.
It does not care if fasttrack is enabled or not...

Besides:
- Partition not working in RouterOS 6.33.3.
- Some strange behaviour in the LCD in RouterOS 6.33.3
- That after upgrading to 6.34rc20...I lost access to the device and needed to "netinstall": not enable to login via Winbox, web or SSH....sympthom was User/passsword correct but device thinking a lot to finally deliver an error message.
- The CPU heatsink is really hot while RouterOS reports temperature only as 34º C.
- Intermitent FC errors between ISP GPON and RB3011: I need to check this because it can be not related to the RB3011 (strange...never on a RB2011 nor an ERLITE 3).

The device works...SOHO configuration with 300/30 Mbits over fiber (external GPON from ISP), with standard firewall and NAT, using 3 VLAN in the ISP side (Internet, IPTV and IPPhone) and 1 port in the internal side (because Mikrotik ignores IGMP snooping on their devices) conected to a managed switch.

I'll wait for further refinement of this device, specially on anything related to CPU tasks/threads assignement before going forward with it, and in the meantime...crossing my fingers about hardware reliability (because the experience on RB2011 revisions, RB850x2 revisions...)

cpu-used: 12%
cpu-used-per-cpu: 13%,12%
free-memory: 996832KiB

Of course there is no loop, but 3011 don't believe me:

Oppsss.....it's so bad so see Microtik silence on RB/3011....Sorry for that, but its does not make sense.

And yes I known...someone will say that when Microtik will have something to say, he willl....but perhaps Mikrotik will not find me more...to hear them because too late.


KInd Regards

Will be keeping tabs on this thread.

RB2011 got off to a rough start and got much better as the software kept maturing.This looks like more or less the same kinda thing.

its enteriely New device for company that Never ever done ARM-based things before so some issues - was expected and reasonable to be.
some of aleady-noticed "imperfections" likely be fixed later i guess.

cpu-used: 12%
cpu-used-per-cpu: 13%,12%
free-memory: 996832KiB

Of course there is no loop, but 3011 don't believe me:

did you send this to support? or only the forum?

I have one RB3011UiAS-RM and RB850Gx2, detailed review coming soon.

I have one RB3011UiAS-RM

Could you please do me a favour and check if your RB3011 clock is working fine? Mine looses about 80 seconds per hour and NTP syncing is not working (with ntp package).

Could you please do me a favour and check if your RB3011 clock is working fine? Mine looses about 80 seconds per hour and NTP syncing is not working (with ntp package).

I have the same problem on rb3011, clock not work correctly.

Could you please do me a favour and check if your RB3011 clock is working fine? Mine looses about 80 seconds per hour and NTP syncing is not working (with ntp package).

I have the same problem on rb3011, clock not work correctly.

near NY i had similar issues on some of my MIPSBE devices aswell(both on stable or RC branches of ROS)
RB's w/o NTP packages - seems affected less.
now its ~ okay on 100% of them. weird.

Same problem with clock.

First part of review RB3011
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/obzor-marshru ... 011UiAS-RM

Part 2, RB3011 vs RB850Gx2
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/testirovanie- ... 011UiAS-RM

Part 2, RB3011 vs RB850Gx2
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/testirovanie- ... 011UiAS-RM

Thanks for this. Google translate to English is really bad but I get a good idea of the review. Thanks again!

Tried to deploy one today, managed to hit 30 mbit throughput -- after replacing with 2011, I've got close to 190 mbit/s with exactly the same configuration. Log was full of some loop/latency problems on 3011. Will try again in few months, and now I'll replace the 2011 with some CCR, since I need gigabit here.

Ooppss *) pppoe-client - implemented fastpath support.... ????
it works over RB2011 but it does NOT works over RB3011.

Same fiber connection (300/30 Mbits) and RouterOS configuration testing RB2011 and RB3011, with these results:
- RB2011...6.34.2 - CPU usage 100% (298 Mits)
- RB2011...6.35rc12 - CPU usage between 32-38% (305 Mbits)
- RB3011...6.35rc11 and sooner - CPU usage TOTAL: 45%, ONE CPU 80-90%, the OTHER CPU 2-3% (305 Mbits)
- RB3011...6.35rc12 - CPU usage TOTAL: 45%, ONE CPU 80-90%, the OTHER CPU 2-3% (305 Mbits)

Symthom: FP RX counter for PPOE client conection is always zero in RB3011 (not for FP TX...)

FYI...

rb3011 don´t support fasttrack

rb3011 don´t support fasttrack

Sorry, RB3011 don't support fastpath too.

rb3011 don´t support fasttrack

Sorry, RB3011 don't support fastpath too.

Why not ?
Why MIkrotik announces (still in the MUM) what is only partially supported?
Why ARM platform to run non optimized nor finished software?

cpu-used: 12%
cpu-used-per-cpu: 13%,12%
free-memory: 996832KiB

Of course there is no loop, but 3011 don't believe me:

You are not alone! Check out my thread http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... ead#unread

I was told the recent RC would fix it but it has made no difference at all. I am not happy as I need software bridge for SFP and I currently can't use any software bridge without the dreaded error logs.


MT support have been silent once provided with supout files confirming problem.

First of all, RB3011 does support fastpath. Counters are going quite nicely.
I found CPU load distribution to be tricky. You need many connections to distribute it properly.

As far as i understood from communication with support each switch-chip is connected with 1Gbps line to each CPU,
So if switch-chip decides to take path1, CPU will have to process it with core1, it switch-chip decides to take path2, then core2.
and it doesn't matter how high the load is on CPU cores atm.

Hello,
The RB3011 block diagram has been updated to better represent internal connections among CPU cores.

Hello,
The RB3011 block diagram has been updated to better represent internal connections among CPU cores.

Any comment on the looping problem? I am getting nothing from my support ticket.

First part of review RB3011
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/obzor-marshru ... 011UiAS-RM

Do you have an English translation? Google won't translate the page.

I understand that is the switch chip, not the CPU.

First part of review RB3011
http://lanmarket.ua/stats/obzor-marshru ... 011UiAS-RM

Do you have an English translation? Google won't translate the page.

Try microsofttranslator
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 011UiAS-RM

Try microsofttranslator
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 011UiAS-RM

Thank you! Did not know about that one.

Why ARM platform to run non optimized nor finished software?

Tilera/EZchip/Mellanox: TILE->ARM
Freescale/NXP: PPC->ARM
Applied Micro Circuits: PPC->ARM
Atheros/Qualcomm: MIPS->ARM

Allow me to resuscitate this topic

Am I right to assume that if I have a fiber uplink to the LAN and WAN on the first switch chip the router will just use the CPU1 ??
I am not sure if SFP will connect directly to CPU1 or to the second Switch chip?

By the way, how does the router decide which CPU to use? Is it based on some kind of round-robin ?

Regards.

usually its choosen magic-driven dice roll, touched by libastral.so device/stub.
and sheduling(let alone balancing or parking) generally its tricky topic even in multi-core, let alone many-core platforms. several patents hold on-topic, several research stuff still ongoing.
and since ARM percentage/penetration even in networking keep skyrocketing - appropriate toolchain soon become mission-critical. thats why so many efforts(from countless companies) in upstream of linux do happens howdays. even legacy (and not produced anymore)Arm versions keep updated relavtively slowly among LTS stuff.